Transformers Masterpiece MP-22 Ultra Magnus Magazine Scan

Seeing them inside Ultra Magnus has me expecting a repaint of Magnus in his "disguise" colors from "The Ultimate Weapon".

Well, after Diaclone Ultra Magnus, "The Killing Jar" reverse colors Ultra Magnus, Hate Plague Ultra Magnus...point is, milk the s#!t out of this mold for repaints Takara, cuz it looks even better with each pic!

Seeing the face makes me sad about no inner robot...

MP Ultra Magnus seems to be returning (a bit) to the MP01 design aesthetic where extra little details are built-in to the design. I miss MPs having a little more die-cast, chrome wheels etc., rubber-tires (somewhat), and extra opening communication panels, & clear plastic car-lights. And as much as I like all the car-bots being in-scale (except Bumblebee-a little too small), I wish the line had been done at MP01 scale.
Anyway, I've seen in other pics that his butt-flap folds up a little bit more in bot-mode and doesn't look like a long shirt-tail. Well at least it has a real purpose as a roof panel for Spike & Daniel. It does look like MP Magnus has a neat little interior for the humans!

megatronus wrote:Seeing the face makes me sad about no inner robot...

Agreed....I've have been fine seeing a white redo of MP Prime who could combine with his trailer. As it is, he's a cool figure, but a bit chunky.

Kind of weird that they retained the head with some references to the original Diaclone design (check the half face plate)

I wish Magnus' "amazon exclusive" accessory was a pair of tiny Constructicons that he could hold in his hands, like this:
http://statici.behindthevoiceactors.com ... his/66.jpg

timcourtois wrote:I wish Magnus' "amazon exclusive" accessory was a pair of tiny Constructicons that he could hold in his hands, like this:
http://statici.behindthevoiceactors.com ... his/66.jpg

... the next MP set? Lol. Goodness knows Takara's already pulled that stunt with Soundwave's "minions"

Cybergeeks posted a bunch of new Magnus pix:















More on their Facebook.

he looks fantastic.

I can't wait. I'm also looking forward to the inevitable repaints. It should be interesting to see which ones they do. I'd like to get Shining and Diaclone versions!

whenever i see those mid transforming pictures, it makes me want to buy 5 of any give transformer and display them like that!

Seibertron wrote:I can't wait. I'm also looking forward to the inevitable repaints. It should be interesting to see which ones they do. I'd like to get Shining and Diaclone versions!

The Powered Convoy colors are pretty much a given as a "Movie Preview" release. They've done that with both the G1 and the PVC figures. Maybe as MP-22P?

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Seibertron wrote:I can't wait. I'm also looking forward to the inevitable repaints. It should be interesting to see which ones they do. I'd like to get Shining and Diaclone versions!

The Powered Convoy colors are pretty much a given as a "Movie Preview" release. They've done that with both the G1 and the PVC figures. Maybe as MP-22P?

I could also see them doing the Black Hole version as a convention exclusive.

Man it'd be really awesome if they did the Diaclone version with his little "Scamper"-like figure that he originally came with.

Seibertron wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Seibertron wrote:I can't wait. I'm also looking forward to the inevitable repaints. It should be interesting to see which ones they do. I'd like to get Shining and Diaclone versions!

The Powered Convoy colors are pretty much a given as a "Movie Preview" release. They've done that with both the G1 and the PVC figures. Maybe as MP-22P?

I could also see them doing the Black Hole version as a convention exclusive.

Man it'd be really awesome if they did the Diaclone version with his little "Scamper"-like figure that he originally came with.

Like in The Killing Jar I presume?

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Like in The Killing Jar I presume?

That's what I was thinking but man that looks horrid.

Between Hasbro or Takara, I could also easily see one of them doing a toy accurate version with chrome and other toy details.

*EDIT* Bleh, wrong thread

Once again from the CYBERGEEKS Alliance Facebook page, we have scans from Transformers Generations 2014 Volume 2 that give us new looks at Takara Tomy's Masterpiece MP-22 Ultra Magnus. Quite a bit of good info in these images. We get a full 360 degree look at the figure in full color, size comparison with Masterpiece Rodimus, transformation sequence, Spike and Daniel mini figures, and his alternate faces. Enjoy the images mirrored below:

Still not pleased that the cab is attached to the trailer; as amazing as it looks transformed. It doesn't feel accurate because it's not a separate transformer and armor set.

The Grim King wrote:Still not pleased that the cab is attached to the trailer; as amazing as it looks transformed. It doesn't feel accurate because it's not a separate transformer and armor set.

That's because they went for cartoon-accuracy. Ultra Magnus never appeared in his white Prime-looking robot mode despite the toy having one. (considering Prime was killed off, a good decision). The cab does separate, but that's it.

And I do hope the red bumper isn't final. At least cover it in chrome if they can't change the plastic color layout.

I love the overall look of the figure and the way it transforms. I just cannot get over the way he looks from behind though. He is too much of a rectangle/chunky when viewed from the back.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

The Grim King wrote:Still not pleased that the cab is attached to the trailer; as amazing as it looks transformed. It doesn't feel accurate because it's not a separate transformer and armor set.

That's because they went for cartoon-accuracy. Ultra Magnus never appeared in his white Prime-looking robot mode despite the toy having one. (considering Prime was killed off, a good decision). The cab does separate, but that's it.

And I do hope the red bumper isn't final. At least cover it in chrome if they can't change the plastic color layout.

The red bumper is final because, as you said, they went for cartoon-accuracy. I don't much care for it either, but it is what it is.

I can't stand the colors that they used for the lower legs. Personally, I would have preferred a solid blue. But any solid color would have satisfied me. The alt mode trailer bed looks like a hodge-podge of colors right now.

100.01% satisfied with the end result. I'm in love with everything about this, got to remember with what they had to work with to make this as animation accurate as possible. And yes, that means the red bumper, I have no problem with that. Cannot wait for this, Wheeljack, and Bumblebee!

I am really confused now.

First they showed him with blue lower inner legs.

Then they showed them being red.

Now they are showing him in these pictures with both and one version that seems to have blue paint covering red plastic.

So what will it be Takara? I really hope it will be blue plastic, the red looks terrible.

DMSL wrote:I am really confused now.

First they showed him with blue lower inner legs.

When did they do that? All of the earliest colored pics of MP Ultra Magnus showed him with red lower inner legs. It's only now that we see him with blue ones.

DMSL wrote:I am really confused now.

First they showed him with blue lower inner legs.

Then they showed them being red.

Now they are showing him in these pictures with both and one version that seems to have blue paint covering red plastic.

So what will it be Takara? I really hope it will be blue plastic, the red looks terrible.

I'm guessing, and this is only a guess, that we'll see red plastic lower legs with blue paint in order to give us blue lower legs in bot mode and a red surface to the lower car carrier section of the trailer. This would most closely match the animation in each mode, if I remember correctly...

FracturedKoi wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

The Grim King wrote:Still not pleased that the cab is attached to the trailer; as amazing as it looks transformed. It doesn't feel accurate because it's not a separate transformer and armor set.

That's because they went for cartoon-accuracy. Ultra Magnus never appeared in his white Prime-looking robot mode despite the toy having one. (considering Prime was killed off, a good decision). The cab does separate, but that's it.

And I do hope the red bumper isn't final. At least cover it in chrome if they can't change the plastic color layout.

The red bumper is final because, as you said, they went for cartoon-accuracy. I don't much care for it either, but it is what it is.

I think after all these years of seeing the toy bumpers, i can understand the moments when the cartoon accurate red is presented.

He looks awesome, and I'm impressed they managed to make it so cartoon-accurate (with no partsforming to boot!) but I'm worried he's gonna be a bit of a brick. I don't think those shoulders have any outward motion.

EDIT: Disregard that, just seen the other photos. Derp.

Delta Magnus wrote:He looks awesome, and I'm impressed they managed to make it so cartoon-accurate (with no partsforming to boot!) but I'm worried he's gonna be a bit of a brick. I don't think those shoulders have any outward motion.

I'm not sure I can really blame them though, considering the totally impractical source material (which if they had diverged from in any way, even for practicality's sake, would have gotten them ripped apart by GEEWUNNERS).

I'm not what you would call a GEEWUNNER, but you seem to have a lot of derision for them.

I would ask you to stop using the term, which, when you use it, seems more of a derogatory slur than anything else. It's getting old.

Man, f**k this toy.

Cartoon accuracy blending with toy accuracy has always been the MO for the MP line, but usually it's handled better than this. Show accuracy be damned, a so-called Masterpiece should definitely have worked in a transforming cab, because it's something very integral to Ultra Magnus. They never show it in the cartoon, but we all know it's there. Instead they give it a nod with a face underneath his face that looks like a robot abortion, and is the wrong colours to boot. As a toy, I think it's very well done, the robot mode looks fantastic, the vehicle mode looks appropriate, but as a Masterpiece, I feel it falls short of the mark.

Samsonator wrote:robot abortion

yeah the red on the cab took me back a bit cos usually it's parts that are chrome. Took me a while to realise it was cos that's how he appeared on the show, however his bumper was a bit shorter so it was less obvious i guess.

really like him, but after sideswipe and smokescreen being so great, and with wheeljack also looking awesome, this one has some niggles. I can live with the cab not separating, tho it would've been awesome... think the butt flap is what bothers me the most, maybe if they could've separated it into 2 or have it fold in

anyways after generations metroplex, guess he'll be the most expensive piece in my collection. Bastard.

Samsonator wrote:Show accuracy be damned, a so-called Masterpiece should definitely have worked in a transforming cab, because it's something very integral to Ultra Magnus. They never show it in the cartoon, but we all know it's there.

OBJECTION!

I was not a child of the 80's, so I did not grow up watching G1 in the era that its toyline was out. Therefore, the way I watched the cartoon was through VHS tapes and DVDs that I bought from stores. And when I watched the cartoon and saw Ultra Magnus, I never, NEVER, imagined him having a smaller white Optimus Prime inside of him because, back then, I had never owned nor even seen pictures of a G1 Ultra Magnus toy. The guy on the show went from car carrier to red/white/blue robot and that's all I ever took him for. It wouldn't be until 2003 when Hasbro decided to reissue G1 Optimus, G1 Ultra Magnus, and G1 Hot Rod (renamed "Rodimus Major") at Toys "R" Us stores that I got to experience a G1 Ultra Magnus toy and learned about his white Optimus Prime inner robot.

And when I did, I was GLAD the cartoon omitted it and went for his Super Robot mode as his standard robot mode, because back then I was of the mindset that no one who isn't Optimus Prime should ever look just like Optimus Prime (except for evil clones like RiD Scourge and Nemesis Prime), as I believed Optimus Prime ought to be so special a character that his look must be one of a kind. Lesser characters can have ordinary separate-character redecos, but not Optimus, as I believed back then.

I wasn't a comic book reader back then either, so I didn't know about that one issue of Dreamwave's G1 comic that had Magnus get naked, but even still, that was just one comic issue out of many more.

These days, I know better from when I was younger, but my point still stands that not "everyone" believed (or even still believes) in Ultra Magnus having an Optimus Prime inner robot inside his body in the cartoon when going by just the cartoon alone.

Sabrblade wrote:

Samsonator wrote:Show accuracy be damned, a so-called Masterpiece should definitely have worked in a transforming cab, because it's something very integral to Ultra Magnus. They never show it in the cartoon, but we all know it's there.

OBJECTION!

I was not a child of the 80's, so I did not grow up watching G1 in the era that its toyline was out. Therefore, the way I watched the cartoon was through VHS tapes and DVDs that I bought from stores. And when I watched the cartoon and saw Ultra Magnus, I never, NEVER, imagined him having a smaller white Optimus Prime inside of him because, back then, I had never owned nor even seen pictures of a G1 Ultra Magnus toy. The guy on the show went from car carrier to red/white/blue robot and that's all I ever took him for. It wouldn't be until 2003 when Hasbro decided to reissue G1 Optimus, G1 Ultra Magnus, and G1 Hot Rod (renamed "Rodimus Major") at Toys "R" Us stores that I got to experience a G1 Ultra Magnus toy and learned about his white Optimus Prime inner robot.

And when I did, I was GLAD the cartoon omitted it and went for his Super Robot mode as his standard robot mode, because back then I was of the mindset that no one who isn't Optimus Prime should ever look just like Optimus Prime (except for evil clones like RiD Scourge and Nemesis Prime), as I believed Optimus Prime ought to be so special a character that his look must be one of a kind. Lesser characters can have ordinary separate-character redecos, but not Optimus, as I believed back then.

I wasn't a comic book reader back then either, so I didn't know about that one issue of Dreamwave's G1 comic that had Magnus get naked, but even still, that was just one comic issue out of many more.

These days, I know better from when I was younger, but my point still stands that not "everyone" believed (or even still believes) in Ultra Magnus having an Optimus Prime inner robot inside his body in the cartoon when going by just the cartoon alone.

OK... your personal feelings and path of discovery are valid, but that doesn't mitigate the fact that the G1 toy was what it was, nor that the MP line is looking to balance cartoon accuracy & G1 toy/vehicular accuracy.

An inner bot would have been appreciated. It is a legacy of Magnus that would not have made it into the official fiction if it were not inspired by G1 in some fashion, and it would have been nice to see the MP reflect this beyond the half-face under the real face.

This is not to say that MP-22 isn't looking great. What I'm trying to say, in short, is that your ignorance of the toy source material and personal passion for a unique Prime mold are not compelling reasons for the official MP team to neglect the inner robot.

Forgot to mention that I also grew out of the "Optimus should be unique" mindset I had back then.

But still, my point was in response to the claim of everyone believing Magnus to have an inner robot inside his body in the cartoon, when that may be true for the toy and non-cartoon fiction, but since the cartoon never presented it as such, we can't say for 100% certainty that Cartoon Ultra Magnus does really have a white Optimus inside himself.

Sabrblade wrote:Forgot to mention that I also grew out of the "Optimus should be unique" mindset I had back then.

But still, my point was in response to the claim of everyone believing Magnus to have an inner robot inside his body in the cartoon, when that may be true for the toy and non-cartoon fiction, but since the cartoon never presented it as such, we can't say for 100% certainty that Cartoon Ultra Magnus does really have a white Optimus inside himself.

Granted... but the flip side is there's no way to no cartoon Magnus didn't have an inner robot. It's 50/50, and that's fine. But we do know with 100% certainty that the toy did.

Expected Value for G1 Magnus having an inner robot = 1.5/2

megatronus wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Forgot to mention that I also grew out of the "Optimus should be unique" mindset I had back then.

But still, my point was in response to the claim of everyone believing Magnus to have an inner robot inside his body in the cartoon, when that may be true for the toy and non-cartoon fiction, but since the cartoon never presented it as such, we can't say for 100% certainty that Cartoon Ultra Magnus does really have a white Optimus inside himself.

Granted... but the flip side is there's no way to no cartoon Magnus didn't have an inner robot. It's 50/50, and that's fine. But we do know with 100% certainty that the toy did.

Expected Value for G1 Magnus having an inner robot = 1.5/2

I think you both have valid points. One more thing I would add was that the G1 cartoons were, in essence, 30-minute toy commercials. They were meant to get us kids (I was one of those children of the 80s) to beg our parents to buy us these really cool looking transforming toys. (Also of note, I did have Ultra Magnus as a kid in the 80s. So that colors my opinion greatly.) I certainly always assumed that Magnus had the inner white robot. Even kids who didn't have the toy would have seen the commercials. I seem to remember the inner robot being a part of those commercials...



That said, I would also take issue with Samsonator's wording and tone. Indeed, not everybody thought that way, perhaps even in the 80s. I do think it would have been a popular opinion for those who grew up in the 80s. Hence why some are disappointed in the end results here.

Personally, I think I like it fine the way it turned out. I would also have been okay with a white inner prime, though...

Looking at that commercial, the inner robot definitely wasn't the focus of the sell, so to speak. It got, what, a few seconds of screen time?

Myself, I don't miss the inner robot. Magnus is almost never portrayed as even having it, aside from a few obscure Dreamwave comics. Besides, I reckon having the robot be all one piece greatly increases his articulation- with how bulky Magnus is, and how much bigger he is than Prime, the MP-10 mold would need severe re-engineering to be able to don the armour and maintain decent articulation, not to mention the trailer would end up a floppy, partsforming mess.

Delta Magnus wrote:Myself, I don't miss the inner robot. Magnus is almost never portrayed as even having it, aside from a few obscure Dreamwave comics. Besides, I reckon having the robot be all one piece greatly increases his articulation- with how bulky Magnus is, and how much bigger he is than Prime, the MP-10 mold would need severe re-engineering to be able to don the armour and maintain decent articulation, not to mention the trailer would end up a floppy, partsforming mess.

im a white prime fan, but i agree with this. they would have had to sacrifice a lot, and the end result would have simply not been worth it.

whos to say they wont do a white prime repaint as the inner magnus bot down the road? they sure do love milking that MP10 mold...

*edit* more thoughts...
imagine a white magnus MP10, with say a handful of broken magnus armor bits? im drooling....

Delta Magnus wrote:Looking at that commercial, the inner robot definitely wasn't the focus of the sell, so to speak. It got, what, a few seconds of screen time?

It wasn't even really shown, all they did was show the kid pulling the legs down to stick it in the armor and then put the helmet on. If I didn't know about the existence of the white Prime, I would have assumed that the cab would just fold a bit to better fit into the body.
I mean if they intended to advertise the white Prime component, they would have shown it and said something like "Ultra Magnus can combine with his trailer to boot his power". Instead they only focused on alt-mode and Ultra Magnus mode, and all the clips they showed was of Magnus transforming from truck to armored mode without the inner bot, and that was original animation and not from any episode, on top of that Prime even says that he turns from trailer truck to his "powerful Autobot Commander". The shot of the white head doesn't even have a face, they obscure it almost to hide the fact that it's there.

Dead Metal wrote:It wasn't even really shown, all they did was show the kid pulling the legs down to stick it in the armor and then put the helmet on. If I didn't know about the existence of the white Prime, I would have assumed that the cab would just fold a bit to better fit into the body.
I mean if they intended to advertise the white Prime component, they would have shown it and said something like "Ultra Magnus can combine with his trailer to boot his power". Instead they only focused on alt-mode and Ultra Magnus mode, and all the clips they showed was of Magnus transforming from truck to armored mode without the inner bot, and that was original animation and not from any episode, on top of that Prime even says that he turns from trailer truck to his "powerful Autobot Commander". The shot of the white head doesn't even have a face, they obscure it almost to hide the fact that it's there.

This.



And as mentioned in a couple of interviews, Hasui tried to make the inner white robot happen, but it didn't work. So instead Kobayashi was assigned to do MP-22 with the cartoon transformation.

What you guys are saying is all true. Yet, I would also say that if people are of the opinion that they expected the white inner robot, that evidence is there as well. I'm not sure why this is becoming polarizing. I suppose for those that really, really wanted an inner white robot, this MP release is disappointing. Having lived through the 80s and getting the UM G1 toy, I can appreciate that perspective.

And yet, I am perfectly happy with how this turned out!

Agamemnon wrote:What you guys are saying is all true. Yet, I would also say that if people are of the opinion that they expected the white inner robot, that evidence is there as well. I'm not sure why this is becoming polarizing. I suppose for those that really, really wanted an inner white robot, this MP release is disappointing. Having lived through the 80s and getting the UM G1 toy, I can appreciate that perspective.

And yet, I am perfectly happy with how this turned out!

That's basically how I see it. An inner white robot would have been a great feature if workable, and many people hoped for & expected it. That said, MP-22 still looks pretty awesome.

Agamemnon wrote:I'm not sure why this is becoming polarizing.

same. if we had gotten a white prime with armor, i bet we'd have just as many complaints about parts forming and whatnot.

I'm an armor UM fan and I agreed with Hasui, MP UM should've been the armor version if it wasn't for the budget and ease of transformation. The armor version would've been the true MP which can satisfy both party. If you don't like the white Magnus, then don't transform him and reconfigure him straight to the armor version. Just because the white Magnus didn't appear in the cartoon, doesn't mean he did not exist. If we go by that route, I've never seen Rodimus trailer open up in the cartoon. Therefore, the toy battle mode with gun shouldn't exist. I know this is going to the extreme, but it's the same concept.

As for the white Magnus didn't get much screen time in the toy commercial. That is true for the U.S. But in Japan world, he sure got more screen time. They even showed the white Magnus with fist when he doesn't need to if going straight to the armor mode:

Actually, in the cartoon Rodimus Prime has a "full transformation" like Motormaster and Ultra Magnus.



He doesn't leave a semi-trailer behind like Optimus Prime, except for in animation errors.

I doubt they can translate that into a Masterpiece figure though. Unlike Magnus, Rodimus is quite svelte.

Cyberpath wrote:Actually, in the cartoon Rodimus Prime has a "full transformation" like Motormaster and Ultra Magnus.



He doesn't leave a semi-trailer behind like Optimus Prime, except for in animation errors.

I doubt they can translate that into a Masterpiece figure though. Unlike Magnus, Rodimus is quite svelte.

They managed it with the Titanium one:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:They managed it with the Titanium one:

And the Choro-Q, but neither has "Masterpiece" esthetics. It would probably involve a lot of folding panels.

Cyberpath wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:They managed it with the Titanium one:

And the Choro-Q, but neither has "Masterpiece" esthetics. It would probably involve a lot of folding panels.

Not as man as you'd think. Here's a Japanese pictorial:

Titanium Series Rodimus Prime on Ooebi's Hobby Factory.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Cyberpath wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:They managed it with the Titanium one:

And the Choro-Q, but neither has "Masterpiece" esthetics. It would probably involve a lot of folding panels.

Not as man as you'd think. Here's a Japanese pictorial:

Titanium Series Rodimus Prime on Ooebi's Hobby Factory.

No, he meant a full transformation style MP figure. It would need a lot of folding panels to go from show accurate Winnebago to show accurate Bot mode.