Transformers Masterpiece MP-38 Beast Wars Convoy (Supreme Commander Version)

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Via fellow Seibertronian ScottyP, we have news of an upcoming Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece figure, under the MP-38 numbering label: (another) Beast Wars Convoy! The subtitle appears to be, through machine translation - [Original コンボイ(ビーストウォーズ) 伝説の総司令官Ver] - Legendary General Commander Version. We have no images, and the source gives no indication as to whether this is a straight repaint, so feel free to let the speculation run wild! The figure is expected at the end of June 2017.

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Re: Transformers Masterpiece MP-38 Beast Wars Convoy (Supreme Commander Version) (1851458)
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on January 9th, 2017 @ 10:36pm CST

You may know the 総司令官 (soushireikan) moniker better as "Supreme Commander".

As for this redeco: BWII Movie!

Re: Transformers Masterpiece MP-38 Beast Wars Convoy (Supreme Commander Version) (1851459)
Posted by Va'al on January 9th, 2017 @ 10:43pm CST

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:You may know the 総司令官 (soushireikan) moniker better as "Supreme Commander".

As for this redeco: BWII Movie!

Oooh good point good point!

Re: Transformers Masterpiece MP-38 Beast Wars Convoy (Supreme Commander Version) (1851463)
Posted by DestronMirage22 on January 9th, 2017 @ 11:02pm CST

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:As for this redeco: BWII Movie!

That would be interesting. :-?

Re: Transformers Masterpiece MP-38 Beast Wars Convoy (Supreme Commander Version) (1851464)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on January 9th, 2017 @ 11:04pm CST

At least they are repainting a very good masterpiece figure, one of the better recent ones I gather

Re: Transformers Masterpiece MP-38 Beast Wars Convoy (Supreme Commander Version) (1851470)
Posted by Zeedust on January 9th, 2017 @ 11:31pm CST

Probably just Primal in Optimus Prime colors.

Re: Transformers Masterpiece MP-38 Beast Wars Convoy (Supreme Commander Version) (1851474)
Posted by Sabrblade on January 9th, 2017 @ 11:39pm CST

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:As for this redeco: BWII Movie!

I thought that too. Though, not as Burning Convoy, but as the slightly more toy-accurate deco he had in that movie, as he was viewed in that movie as a Legendary Supreme Commander.

Re: Transformers Masterpiece MP-38 Beast Wars Convoy (Supreme Commander Version) (1851476)
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on January 9th, 2017 @ 11:48pm CST

Sabrblade wrote:
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:As for this redeco: BWII Movie!
I thought that too. Though, not as Burning Convoy, but as the slightly more toy-accurate deco he had in that movie, as he was viewed in that movie as a Legendary Supreme Commander.

Then consider MP Lio Convoy confirmed :lol:

Re: Transformers Masterpiece MP-38 Beast Wars Convoy (Supreme Commander Version) (1851489)
Posted by RAR on January 10th, 2017 @ 3:49am CST

Sounds like it's based on his appearance in the Beast Wars Second Movie to me - so it may be the clear red & gold deco

http://www.tfu.info/toytables/bw_optimusprimal.htm

But since the normal version is sort of like the CGI cartoon colours and the Japanese "Special Convoy" colours perhaps the black and white toy deco makes sense as an option too.

What I'd call "BlackJack" Optimus Primal personally.

It might be difficult to mould the rubbery parts in clear material if it is then the use of another solid colour would make some sense.

I like the toy but I have not bought it yet as I thought he was a bit overpriced.

Re: Transformers Masterpiece MP-38 Beast Wars Convoy (Supreme Commander Version) (1851507)
Posted by PeterPrime on January 10th, 2017 @ 6:24am CST

Personally I hope for Transmetal Primal. One can always hope...

Re: Transformers Masterpiece MP-38 Beast Wars Convoy (Supreme Commander Version) (1851528)
Posted by OptimalOptimus2 on January 10th, 2017 @ 8:45am CST

PeterPrime wrote:Personally I hope for Transmetal Primal. One can always hope...

Make that two!

Although I desire a Masterpiece BW Megatron more than any figure right now.

Re: Transformers Masterpiece MP-38 Beast Wars Convoy (Supreme Commander Version) (1851551)
Posted by wilcosu35 on January 10th, 2017 @ 10:08am CST

If it's a repaint, i'm not interested.

If it's an entirely new figure though....

Re: Transformers Masterpiece MP-38 Beast Wars Convoy (Supreme Commander Version) (1851559)
Posted by Sabrblade on January 10th, 2017 @ 10:41am CST

PeterPrime wrote:Personally I hope for Transmetal Primal. One can always hope...

If it were, then the toy's name would be solicited as "Metals Convoy" instead of just "Convoy".

Re: Transformers Masterpiece MP-38 Beast Wars Convoy (Supreme Commander Version) (1851563)
Posted by Overcracker on January 10th, 2017 @ 10:47am CST

wilcosu35 wrote:If it's a repaint, i'm not interested.

If it's an entirely new figure though....

No chance its a new figure. MP-32 Convoy was just released a few months ago. you expect an entirely new mold so soon of the same guy? With Cheetor coming out also?

Maybe it will be this color scheme:

Just kidding.

Re: Transformers Masterpiece MP-38 Beast Wars Convoy (Supreme Commander Version) (1851590)
Posted by MrBlack on January 10th, 2017 @ 12:27pm CST

Zeedust wrote:Probably just Primal in Optimus Prime colors.

NOOOOOO!

Re: Transformers Masterpiece MP-38 Beast Wars Convoy (Supreme Commander Version) (1851607)
Posted by GuyIncognito on January 10th, 2017 @ 1:31pm CST

Optimal Optimus was a Supreme Commander, right?

http://www.tfu.info/1998/Maximal/Optima ... ptimus.htm

Re: Transformers Masterpiece MP-38 Beast Wars Convoy (Supreme Commander Version) (1851612)
Posted by Sabrblade on January 10th, 2017 @ 2:29pm CST

GuyIncognito wrote:Optimal Optimus was a Supreme Commander, right?

http://www.tfu.info/1998/Maximal/Optima ... ptimus.htm

All of Beast Wars Convoy's cartoon-based toys were Supreme Commanders in Japan.

But this toy is specifically ranked as "Legendary Supreme Commander".

Re: Transformers Masterpiece MP-38 Beast Wars Convoy (Supreme Commander Version) (1851640)
Posted by Seibertron on January 10th, 2017 @ 4:28pm CST

Why would this get a new number instead of a sub number in the series?

Re: Transformers Masterpiece MP-38 Beast Wars Convoy (Supreme Commander Version) (1851652)
Posted by Sabrblade on January 10th, 2017 @ 5:04pm CST

Seibertron wrote:Why would this get a new number instead of a sub number in the series?

That's a good question. Up until now, unique ID numbers were given to MPs that were both mass retail releases and separate characters, even if they reused a previous mold.

If this is a same-character mold reuse, then the non-exclusive mass retail status would be my only guess for it's getting a new number, but which would then have me questioning why it wouldn't be an exclusive if it's the same character from the same mold.

Re: Transformers Masterpiece MP-38 Beast Wars Convoy (Supreme Commander Version) (1851686)
Posted by Sabrblade on January 10th, 2017 @ 8:26pm CST

Digibash example (not mine) of what this could possibly look like:

Re: Transformers Masterpiece MP-38 Beast Wars Convoy (Supreme Commander Version) (1851690)
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on January 10th, 2017 @ 8:39pm CST

I did a price check and the 12,000 Yen price is the same as the original MP-32 release. As that mold is the only one with that price, we can carefully consider MP-38 to be a redeco.

The new number is odd though, unless some certain parts were to be retooled like the head.

Re: Transformers Masterpiece MP-38 Beast Wars Convoy (Supreme Commander Version) (1851699)
Posted by Emerje on January 10th, 2017 @ 8:49pm CST

Still seems strange that a repaint of the same character would be MP-38 rather than MP-32A or MP-32II or something. Price is exactly the same as well so it isn't some sort of premium version with extra parts (though maybe they swapped out the swords for the missing parts from MP-32).

Real mystery.

Emerje

Re: Transformers Masterpiece MP-38 Beast Wars Convoy (Supreme Commander Version) (1851702)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on January 10th, 2017 @ 8:54pm CST

Wasn't MP-31 Delta Magnus given a new number despite the fact it was just a repaint of Ultra Magnus in his Diaclone colors?

Re: Transformers Masterpiece MP-38 Beast Wars Convoy (Supreme Commander Version) (1851709)
Posted by Emerje on January 10th, 2017 @ 9:12pm CST

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:Wasn't MP-31 Delta Magnus given a new number despite the fact it was just a repaint of Ultra Magnus in his Diaclone colors?

Delta Magnus is a different character instead of being "Ultra Magnus, Delta ver." or whatever.

Emerje

Re: Transformers Masterpiece MP-38 Beast Wars Convoy (Supreme Commander Version) (1851711)
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on January 10th, 2017 @ 9:20pm CST

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:Wasn't MP-31 Delta Magnus given a new number despite the fact it was just a repaint of Ultra Magnus in his Diaclone colors?

Mostly a redeco, but it has different face plates, plus Marissa Faireborn instead of Spike and Daniel.

Re: Transformers Masterpiece MP-38 Beast Wars Convoy (Supreme Commander Version) (1851714)
Posted by Sabrblade on January 10th, 2017 @ 9:41pm CST

On the other hand, the ID number might not be final. MP-32 was originally given the number MP-31 in a magazine, before Delta Magnus was confirmed to have that number.

Re: Transformers Masterpiece MP-38 Beast Wars Convoy (Supreme Commander Version) (1851717)
Posted by Seibertron on January 10th, 2017 @ 9:48pm CST

Maybe it'll be a more toy accurate head. I loved the look of that original optimus primal toy head, with the rotating beast mask. Very unique and hasn't been done since.

Re: Transformers Masterpiece MP-38 Beast Wars Convoy (Supreme Commander Version) (1851989)
Posted by ScottyP on January 11th, 2017 @ 10:58pm CST

Seibertron wrote:Why would this get a new number instead of a sub number in the series?

They've shifted away from that habit outside of MP-10 and 11 which have a laugh-o-rama level of variations so no sense stopping now. Heck, 15-38 has all of five 'sub-numbered' toys so far?

Re: Transformers Masterpiece MP-38 Beast Wars Convoy (Supreme Commander Version) (1851995)
Posted by sol magnus on January 11th, 2017 @ 11:12pm CST

ScottyP wrote:
Seibertron wrote:Why would this get a new number instead of a sub number in the series?
They've shifted away from that habit outside of MP-10 and 11 which have a laugh-o-rama level of variations so no sense stopping now. Heck, 15-38 has all of five 'sub-numbered' toys so far?

THere's at least eight not counting MP-10 and MP-11. G2 Sideswipe and Tigertrack, Red Alert more cartoon accurate and Clampdown, Soundblaster, Silverstreak and Bluestreak, Red Boby Bumblebee and G2 Bumblebee. The last one released not a seeker was Red Alert in 2016.

This one seems like it should be MP-32S or something assuming it is the same character, but since there are no pictures it is hard to say why this gets it's own numerical entry. As we all know, though, none of it is consistent as they pick and choose what gets it's own number not necessarily based on whether it is a different character or not. MP11 ad nauseum are all different characters. Looking at it now, and including MP-10, each of them have a character that is not the base character - except Bumblebee.

I give up. (I also forgot MP-25L)

Re: Transformers Masterpiece MP-38 Beast Wars Convoy (Supreme Commander Version) (1852000)
Posted by Sabrblade on January 11th, 2017 @ 11:20pm CST

ScottyP wrote:
Seibertron wrote:Why would this get a new number instead of a sub number in the series?
They've shifted away from that habit outside of MP-10 and 11 which have a laugh-o-rama level of variations so no sense stopping now. Heck, 15-38 has all of five 'sub-numbered' toys so far?

Ever since the new starting point of the line with MP-10 and MP-11, none of the mass retail MPs have been same-character mold reuses. Every figure from that point onward that received a new number has been a mass retail release and either a new mold, a different character, or both. All of the same-character mold reuses have been exclusives with lettered ID numbers (other lettered-ID-numbered MPs that were different characters have also been exclusives).

Re: Transformers Masterpiece MP-38 Beast Wars Convoy (Supreme Commander Version) (1852001)
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on January 11th, 2017 @ 11:23pm CST

Sabrblade wrote:
ScottyP wrote:
Seibertron wrote:Why would this get a new number instead of a sub number in the series?
They've shifted away from that habit outside of MP-10 and 11 which have a laugh-o-rama level of variations so no sense stopping now. Heck, 15-38 has all of five 'sub-numbered' toys so far?
Ever since the new starting point of the line with MP-10 and MP-11, none of the mass retail MPs have been same-character mold reuses. Every figure from that point onward that received a new number has been a mass retail release and either a new mold, a different character, or both. All of the same-character mold reuses have been exclusives with lettered ID numbers (other lettered-ID-numbered MPs that were different characters have also been exclusives).

Ok, and how many of those new characters have been straight redecos, not counting the cassettes? I'm talking about the main line, without the sub-numbering btw.

Re: Transformers Masterpiece MP-38 Beast Wars Convoy (Supreme Commander Version) (1852005)
Posted by Sabrblade on January 11th, 2017 @ 11:33pm CST

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
ScottyP wrote:
Seibertron wrote:Why would this get a new number instead of a sub number in the series?
They've shifted away from that habit outside of MP-10 and 11 which have a laugh-o-rama level of variations so no sense stopping now. Heck, 15-38 has all of five 'sub-numbered' toys so far?
Ever since the new starting point of the line with MP-10 and MP-11, none of the mass retail MPs have been same-character mold reuses. Every figure from that point onward that received a new number has been a mass retail release and either a new mold, a different character, or both. All of the same-character mold reuses have been exclusives with lettered ID numbers (other lettered-ID-numbered MPs that were different characters have also been exclusives).

Ok, and how many of those new characters have been straight redecos, not counting the cassettes? I'm talking about the main line, without the sub-numbering btw.

Any of their straight redecoed versions that were still the same character have been exclusives with lettered ID numbers released outside of the mass retail main line. That's why this new number is baffling if the Legendary Supreme Commander version is gonna end up being the exact same character with the exact same mold (straight redeco or retool, regardless).

Re: Transformers Masterpiece MP-38 Beast Wars Convoy (Supreme Commander Version) (1852080)
Posted by Sabrblade on January 12th, 2017 @ 10:41am CST

Toy/Beast Wars Second movie colors it is! (which really begs the question of why this gets a new number and not just a letter)

Plus a brand new skull flail (DIFFERENT from the die-cast one), a Double Blade, a weapon rack for attaching the Double Blade to the figure in either mode, and a Beast Mask based on the original toy's Mutant Head.

http://hobby.dengeki.com/news/320287/

MP-38 Convoy (Beast Wars) Densetsu no Sōshireikan Ver. (or Legendary Supreme Commander Ver.)

Re: Transformers Masterpiece MP-38 Beast Wars Convoy (Supreme Commander Version) (1852081)
Posted by william-james88 on January 12th, 2017 @ 11:02am CST

You all ready to feel retro jipped? Thanks to Dengeki Hobby, we finally know what MP-38 Beast Wars Convoy (Supreme Commander Version) is and looks like. It turns out he is a gorgeous toy based redeco of Masterpiece Optimus Primal. Seriously, words cannot give these picures credit, they must be seen. While the beast mode might suffer simply because we are not used to seeing this colour on that show accurate beast mode sculpt, it makes all the exposed kibble a lot more tolerable and thematic. This also gives hope to Shockwave fans that Takara is willing to give toy specific decos. Also it now removes all logic from the MP numbering since this is the same character. It includes new accessories that are mainly callbacks to his original toy such as a brand new skull flail, a Double Blade, a weapon rack for attaching the Double Blade to the figure in either mode, and a Beast Mask based on the original toy's Mutant Head. That extra accessory to hold the two swords in either mode will make use of the mysterious port on his back meaning that the mold was designed to interact with this extra accessory all along. This deco does have a fictional connection since this is how Beast Convoy looked like in the Beast Wars II movie.

The figure's MSRP is 12960 Yen ($113,64) but it can currently be preordered for lower than that from Japanese retailers for the likes of $90 USD.

Transformers Beast Wars Optimus Primal (Convoy) Gallery

Re: Transformers Masterpiece MP-38 Beast Wars Convoy (Supreme Commander Version) (1852082)
Posted by Kurona on January 12th, 2017 @ 11:18am CST

The mutant beast head attaches to the back of Primal's head. I'm pretty sure that's accurate to the original toy so that's fun.

Re: Transformers Masterpiece MP-38 Beast Wars Convoy (Supreme Commander Version) (1852084)
Posted by Sabrblade on January 12th, 2017 @ 11:26am CST

WHEEEEEEE, ID numbering awkwardness aside, this looks really good!

Smile, Convoy! You're a movie star!

Though, ew, that Sourcebook art. :SICK:

Re: Transformers Masterpiece MP-38 Beast Wars Convoy (Supreme Commander Version) (1852091)
Posted by BluePhirePB on January 12th, 2017 @ 12:32pm CST

Looks cool but I'm cool with my regular Beast Wars MP Primal.

Re: Transformers Masterpiece MP-38 Beast Wars Convoy (Supreme Commander Version) (1852093)
Posted by Big Grim on January 12th, 2017 @ 12:37pm CST

Compared to the first MP release, this looks remarkably bland to me. Mutant head is a nice touch but nah.

Re: Transformers Masterpiece MP-38 Beast Wars Convoy (Supreme Commander Version) (1852094)
Posted by Ironhidensh on January 12th, 2017 @ 12:38pm CST

It's a nice option, and a repaint that makes sense, but it would have been nice to sit a bit longer before releasing it. Still, this mold is so darn awesome that I might go on and buy it.

Re: Transformers Masterpiece MP-38 Beast Wars Convoy (Supreme Commander Version) (1852095)
Posted by Sabrblade on January 12th, 2017 @ 12:39pm CST

A Google translation of the Dengeki Hobby page makes it sound like this figure's deco is first and foremost meant to resemble the character's appearance in the movie, with the specific toy-based attributes added in thanks to the character's movie look using the toy's colors instead of the BW cartoon's colors (but kept the BW cartoon's exposed mouth and chestplate design).

This helps make the MP toy's name make a whole lot more sense since it was in that movie that he was referred to as a Legendary Supreme Commander.

Re: Transformers Masterpiece MP-38 Beast Wars Convoy (Supreme Commander Version) (1852097)
Posted by Cobotron on January 12th, 2017 @ 12:40pm CST

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! AWESOME!
I like it! Still would have loved some sculpted fur texture, but he may have to be mine.

This is exactly why I decided to wait on the new Megatron. fingers crossed

Re: Transformers Masterpiece MP-38 Beast Wars Convoy (Supreme Commander Version) (1852101)
Posted by Microraptor on January 12th, 2017 @ 1:07pm CST

Sabrblade wrote:
Though, ew, that Sourcebook art.

At least it's not Silverbolt!

Re: Transformers Masterpiece MP-38 Beast Wars Convoy (Supreme Commander Version) (1852105)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on January 12th, 2017 @ 1:29pm CST

Wow... that is pretty awesome looking

Re: Transformers Masterpiece MP-38 Beast Wars Convoy (Supreme Commander Version) (1852113)
Posted by SureShot18 on January 12th, 2017 @ 1:52pm CST

Ooh that's super nice. Now I know I'm not getting this mold because I couldn't decide between the decos. :lol:

Re: Transformers Masterpiece MP-38 Beast Wars Convoy (Supreme Commander Version) (1852115)
Posted by Sabrblade on January 12th, 2017 @ 1:55pm CST

SureShot18 wrote:Ooh that's super nice. Now I know I'm not getting this mold because I couldn't decide between the decos.

Re: Transformers Masterpiece MP-38 Beast Wars Convoy (Supreme Commander Version) (1852126)
Posted by Sabrblade on January 12th, 2017 @ 2:46pm CST

Re: Transformers Masterpiece MP-38 Beast Wars Convoy (Supreme Commander Version) (1852132)
Posted by Emerje on January 12th, 2017 @ 3:39pm CST

Well, I think I have room on the shelf for another Primal.

Emerje

Re: Transformers Masterpiece MP-38 Beast Wars Convoy (Supreme Commander Version) (1852135)
Posted by Va'al on January 12th, 2017 @ 4:18pm CST

hooooooo boy

Re: Transformers Masterpiece MP-38 Beast Wars Convoy (Supreme Commander Version) (1852136)
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on January 12th, 2017 @ 4:25pm CST

The numbering is not odd at all if you think about it. In the main retail line, every retool got a new number, regardless of character, and apparently new accessories make them eligible as well. Compare:

MP-12 Lambor & MP-14 Alert
MP-17 Prowl, MP-18 Streak & MP-19 Smokescreen
MP-20 Wheeljack & MP-23 Exhaust
MP-22 Ultra Magnus & MP-31 Delta Magnus (new face plates and figurine)

And Starscream got two releases based on the same basic mold, yet got two numbers: MP-03 and MP-11.

The sub-numbering is a bit more random and probably impossible to figure out, but they have being more limited runs in common.

That said, can I say I called this one? ;;)

Re: Transformers Masterpiece MP-38 Beast Wars Convoy (Supreme Commander Version) (1852137)
Posted by Cobotron on January 12th, 2017 @ 4:38pm CST

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:That said, can I say I called this one?

Only if you can prove it. [-(

Re: Transformers Masterpiece MP-38 Beast Wars Convoy (Supreme Commander Version) (1852139)
Posted by Sabrblade on January 12th, 2017 @ 4:45pm CST

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:And Starscream got two releases based on the same basic mold, yet got two numbers: MP-03 and MP-11.

The numbering logic restarted with MP-10. Remember the same mold was used for the same character with MP-1 and MP-4 as well. But since the MP-10 refresh, every new number has been a mass retail figure of either a new character, a new mold, or both; but never the same character with the same mold up until now.

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