Transformers Legacy Sandstorm, Buzzsaw, and Nightprowler Stock Images

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Thanks to Preternia on Twitter via InDemand Toys in the UK, we have news that official stock images for the 3 new beast figure repaints of Sandstorm, Buzzsaw, and Nightprowler have been revealed!

These 3 figures have been rumored for a while, including leaked reviews of the figures going back over the last 2 months. Well, now we have official stock images and the box art images, which interestingly reveal these figures will be in Legacy packaging and are not as far as we can tell Selects releases. This is an interesting development, though we currently do not know if this means they are part of the mainline, or if they will be exclusive to a single or multiple stores. There is the potential given the timing that we will learn more at today's Fan First Friday.

Check out the stock images below, and let us know what you think in the comments section below!

Credit(s): Preternia on Twitter

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Re: Transformers Legacy Sandstorm, Buzzsaw, and Nightprowler Stock Images (2126887)
Posted by JomasterII on February 4th, 2022 @ 6:56am CST

Seriously? Buzz Saw's a retail release?! HELL yeah!!

Re: Transformers Legacy Sandstorm, Buzzsaw, and Nightprowler Stock Images (2126888)
Posted by Sabrblade on February 4th, 2022 @ 7:09am CST

They spelled Buzz Saw's name as one word "Buzzsaw" instead of two.

Re: Transformers Legacy Sandstorm, Buzzsaw, and Nightprowler Stock Images (2126889)
Posted by Autobot N on February 4th, 2022 @ 7:41am CST

JomasterII wrote:Seriously? Buzz Saw's a retail release?! HELL yeah!!

He's not mainline, he's some kind of exclusive (though I don't remember where). Like Road Rage and Runabout being exclusives while also being in normal packaging.

Re: Transformers Legacy Sandstorm, Buzzsaw, and Nightprowler Stock Images (2126890)
Posted by sol magnus on February 4th, 2022 @ 8:47am CST

These are all cool, but I'll be skipping them. Gotta stick to Beast Wars 'main' show cast.

Re: Transformers Legacy Sandstorm, Buzzsaw, and Nightprowler Stock Images (2126898)
Posted by TF-fan kev777 on February 4th, 2022 @ 11:22am CST

Autobot N wrote:
JomasterII wrote:Seriously? Buzz Saw's a retail release?! HELL yeah!!
He's not mainline, he's some kind of exclusive (though I don't remember where). Like Road Rage and Runabout being exclusives while also being in normal packaging.

Its even worse than Road Rage and Runabout because these are exclusive to Walmart. Just great...

Re: Transformers Legacy Sandstorm, Buzzsaw, and Nightprowler Stock Images (2126900)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on February 4th, 2022 @ 11:25am CST

TF-fan kev777 wrote:
Autobot N wrote:
JomasterII wrote:Seriously? Buzz Saw's a retail release?! HELL yeah!!
He's not mainline, he's some kind of exclusive (though I don't remember where). Like Road Rage and Runabout being exclusives while also being in normal packaging.

Its even worse than Road Rage and Runabout because these are exclusive to Walmart. Just great...

Makes me super glad to have Pulse Premium, when those go up on Pulse with the limited stock like the other walmart items, I will grab and hopefully avoid the walmart trap

Re: Transformers Legacy Sandstorm, Buzzsaw, and Nightprowler Stock Images (2126901)
Posted by sol magnus on February 4th, 2022 @ 11:27am CST

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:
TF-fan kev777 wrote:
Autobot N wrote:
JomasterII wrote:Seriously? Buzz Saw's a retail release?! HELL yeah!!
He's not mainline, he's some kind of exclusive (though I don't remember where). Like Road Rage and Runabout being exclusives while also being in normal packaging.

Its even worse than Road Rage and Runabout because these are exclusive to Walmart. Just great...

Makes me super glad to have Pulse Premium, when those go up on Pulse with the limited stock like the other walmart items, I will grab and hopefully avoid the walmart trap

They need to keep this same energy for the Velocitron stuff that's coming.

Re: Transformers Legacy Sandstorm, Buzzsaw, and Nightprowler Stock Images (2126905)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on February 4th, 2022 @ 11:32am CST

sol magnus wrote:
D-Maximal_Primal wrote:
TF-fan kev777 wrote:
Autobot N wrote:
JomasterII wrote:Seriously? Buzz Saw's a retail release?! HELL yeah!!
He's not mainline, he's some kind of exclusive (though I don't remember where). Like Road Rage and Runabout being exclusives while also being in normal packaging.

Its even worse than Road Rage and Runabout because these are exclusive to Walmart. Just great...

Makes me super glad to have Pulse Premium, when those go up on Pulse with the limited stock like the other walmart items, I will grab and hopefully avoid the walmart trap

They need to keep this same energy for the Velocitron stuff that's coming.

Ya know, I had kinda forgotten that that line was going to be walmart exclusive, and unlike the netflix line it has stuff I know I will want, so unlike netflix I may have to actively try to find this stuff.

Dammit Sol.

Re: Transformers Legacy Sandstorm, Buzzsaw, and Nightprowler Stock Images (2126917)
Posted by sol magnus on February 4th, 2022 @ 12:04pm CST

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:
sol magnus wrote:
D-Maximal_Primal wrote:
TF-fan kev777 wrote:
Autobot N wrote:
JomasterII wrote:Seriously? Buzz Saw's a retail release?! HELL yeah!!
He's not mainline, he's some kind of exclusive (though I don't remember where). Like Road Rage and Runabout being exclusives while also being in normal packaging.

Its even worse than Road Rage and Runabout because these are exclusive to Walmart. Just great...

Makes me super glad to have Pulse Premium, when those go up on Pulse with the limited stock like the other walmart items, I will grab and hopefully avoid the walmart trap

They need to keep this same energy for the Velocitron stuff that's coming.

Ya know, I had kinda forgotten that that line was going to be walmart exclusive, and unlike the netflix line it has stuff I know I will want, so unlike netflix I may have to actively try to find this stuff.

Dammit Sol.

Hey man, I want that Black Convoy more than you can know, more even then Cosmos. I'm not going to want to leave it to chance that I can pre-order it on Walmart.com - the desolate place that is when it comes to pre-orders.

Re: Transformers Legacy Sandstorm, Buzzsaw, and Nightprowler Stock Images (2126919)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on February 4th, 2022 @ 12:06pm CST

sol magnus wrote:
D-Maximal_Primal wrote:
sol magnus wrote:
D-Maximal_Primal wrote:
TF-fan kev777 wrote:
Autobot N wrote:
JomasterII wrote:Seriously? Buzz Saw's a retail release?! HELL yeah!!
He's not mainline, he's some kind of exclusive (though I don't remember where). Like Road Rage and Runabout being exclusives while also being in normal packaging.

Its even worse than Road Rage and Runabout because these are exclusive to Walmart. Just great...

Makes me super glad to have Pulse Premium, when those go up on Pulse with the limited stock like the other walmart items, I will grab and hopefully avoid the walmart trap

They need to keep this same energy for the Velocitron stuff that's coming.

Ya know, I had kinda forgotten that that line was going to be walmart exclusive, and unlike the netflix line it has stuff I know I will want, so unlike netflix I may have to actively try to find this stuff.

Dammit Sol.

Hey man, I want that Black Convoy more than you can know, more even then Cosmos. I'm not going to want to leave it to chance that I can pre-order it on Walmart.com - the desolate place that is when it comes to pre-orders.

I too really want Black Convoy, and I will probably try for Burnout, Override, and I think maybe 1 more? I can't remember the full leak list at the moment

Re: Transformers Legacy Sandstorm, Buzzsaw, and Nightprowler Stock Images (2126926)
Posted by Nemesis Primal on February 4th, 2022 @ 12:24pm CST

Interesting to see they're regular exclusives. Still intending to get I think all 3 of these? I keep flip-flopping on Buzzsaw, but I'm sold on the other 2.

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:I can't remember the full leak list at the moment

I gotchu:
Deluxe: Burn-Out, Clampdown (and the Selects one may be cancelled, no double-release like Deep Cover), Cosmos, Road Rocket, Blurr (rumored to be Armada Blurr)
Voyager: Override, Hauler
Leader: Black Convoy

Personally I'm going for Scourge, both Voyagers, Blurr if the rumor is accurate, and the Diaclones & Road Rocket are a wait-and-see.

Re: Transformers Legacy Sandstorm, Buzzsaw, and Nightprowler Stock Images (2126928)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on February 4th, 2022 @ 12:28pm CST

Nemesis Primal wrote:Interesting to see they're regular exclusives. Still intending to get I think all 3 of these? I keep flip-flopping on Buzzsaw, but I'm sold on the other 2.

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:I can't remember the full leak list at the moment
I gotchu:
Deluxe: Burn-Out, Clampdown (and the Selects one may be cancelled, no double-release like Deep Cover), Cosmos, Road Rocket, Blurr (rumored to be Armada Blurr)
Voyager: Override, Hauler
Leader: Black Convoy

Personally I'm going for Scourge, both Voyagers, Blurr if the rumor is accurate, and the Diaclones & Road Rocket are a wait-and-see.

Buzzsaw is the one I want the most from these 3, I'm excited for him.

OK, I want Black Convoy, Override, and all the deluxes except Cosmos. I will get Blurr if he is the Armada one

Re: Transformers Legacy Sandstorm, Buzzsaw, and Nightprowler Stock Images (2126932)
Posted by TOO MUCH ENERGON! on February 4th, 2022 @ 12:39pm CST

I had the original Buzz Saw toy as a kid, so I might get this one. The colour scheme on Nightprowler is nice, too.

Re: Transformers Legacy Sandstorm, Buzzsaw, and Nightprowler Stock Images (2126942)
Posted by Tuned Agent on February 4th, 2022 @ 1:26pm CST

I likely won't pick up any of these, but I still think Buzzsaw looks quite nice. The color gradient on his legs is especially cool.

Re: Transformers Legacy Sandstorm, Buzzsaw, and Nightprowler Stock Images (2126985)
Posted by Emerje on February 4th, 2022 @ 10:28pm CST

Autobot N wrote:
ZeroWolf wrote:SG Magnus is still in the air regarding which mold he'll use but you are getting Scourge, courtesy of the Walmart Exclusive line.
I wouldn't say up in the air, it's basically confirmed he'll be either Siege or Kingdom since that's how he looked in the comic and everyone else who previously had a different SG design are now redecos of their WFC selves

Except for Blurr so there's already a precedence for using molds outside of WFC and SS86 Blurr is still being restocked in stores so it has nothing to do with the age of a mold. Current molds and molds outside of WFC are clearly acceptable!

sol magnus wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
Autobot N wrote:
ZeroWolf wrote:SG Magnus is still in the air regarding which mold he'll use but you are getting Scourge, courtesy of the Walmart Exclusive line.
I wouldn't say up in the air, it's basically confirmed he'll be either Siege or Kingdom since that's how he looked in the comic and everyone else who previously had a different SG design are now redecos of their WFC selves
It was specifically the Siege mold in Issue #5 of the comic.

It was specifically the Siege mold in Silhouette in issue #1 as well.

Still don't see how this means anything, like, at all. They'll most likely be doing another comic series to go with the new wave leaving plenty of room to explain a new body. Original SG Magnus' story showed that he also started with the G1 body, how is doing that again this time around such a stretch?

Look, I'm not going to be super disappointed if they do go with the Siege or ER body, but personally I'd prefer UM in Delta Magnus colors to be Delta Magnus complete with the right faction symbols.

Sabrblade wrote:They spelled Buzz Saw's name as one word "Buzzsaw" instead of two.

Most likely they already had it in the books and didn't see the point in grabbing a similar trademark just for a space in the middle.

Tuned Agent wrote:I likely won't pick up any of these, but I still think Buzzsaw looks quite nice. The color gradient on his legs is especially cool.

I was really excited to see that the first time around, but the paint looks better on the other two now than they did in the lower quality leak photos. Nightprowler has retained Cheetor's white patches and Sandstorm has a gradient across his bot chest and scorpion back that doesn't appear to be the same as Scorponok's. Very happy they didn't skimp on the paint for these.

Emerje

Re: Transformers Legacy Sandstorm, Buzzsaw, and Nightprowler Stock Images (2126987)
Posted by Sabrblade on February 4th, 2022 @ 10:54pm CST

Emerje wrote:Original SG Magnus' story showed that he also started with the G1 body,

Armada/Universe body, actually (look closely at his shoulder).

Re: Transformers Legacy Sandstorm, Buzzsaw, and Nightprowler Stock Images (2126989)
Posted by Emerje on February 4th, 2022 @ 11:12pm CST

Right, I misremembered. But my point still stands. He wasn't always in the Reveal the Shield body in the original story so why does him showing up in a WFC body in the new comics now mean he can't be written into a new body later? The argument just doesn't make sense to me in a line that really seems to want to make toys as close as possible to the originals.

Emerje

Re: Transformers Legacy Sandstorm, Buzzsaw, and Nightprowler Stock Images (2126990)
Posted by Autobot N on February 4th, 2022 @ 11:25pm CST

Emerje wrote:The argument just doesn't make sense to me in a line that really seems to want to make toys as close as possible to the originals.

Emerje

That's not what this is though. Megatron and Bumblebee had much more accurate molds to choose from (Galvatron and Hot Rod) and they still went with G1 redecos

Re: Transformers Legacy Sandstorm, Buzzsaw, and Nightprowler Stock Images (2127004)
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on February 5th, 2022 @ 1:18pm CST

Autobot N wrote:
Emerje wrote:The argument just doesn't make sense to me in a line that really seems to want to make toys as close as possible to the originals.

Emerje
That's not what this is though. Megatron and Bumblebee had much more accurate molds to choose from (Galvatron and Hot Rod) and they still went with G1 redecos

And why shouldn't they? This isn't FunPub's Shattered Glass, but a new version with different rules. Had they gone with molds or designs semi-accurate to the original FunPub concept, it would have been broken even before the first release in the Shattered Glass line. The culprit? The Mad Doctor Ratchet:

He's all the way in the back, as a redeco of Energon Roadblock who was inspired by Grapple (tho he should have been scrubs green as originally intended). So he should have been a redeco of ER Grapple and not ER Ratchet if we're going by the desired rules. :lol:

Legacy Laser Optimus Prime being redecoed for SG Ultra Magnus isn't... completely out of the cards mind you, but given the current trends of using same-character molds, very unlikely.

Re: Transformers Legacy Sandstorm, Buzzsaw, and Nightprowler Stock Images (2127007)
Posted by AcademyofDrX on February 5th, 2022 @ 2:03pm CST

Isn't there already a Shattered Glass thread?

Re: Transformers Legacy Sandstorm, Buzzsaw, and Nightprowler Stock Images (2127008)
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on February 5th, 2022 @ 2:18pm CST

AcademyofDrX wrote:Isn't there already a Shattered Glass thread?

Yes there is :lol:

Re: Transformers Legacy Sandstorm, Buzzsaw, and Nightprowler Stock Images (2127016)
Posted by Autobot N on February 5th, 2022 @ 2:54pm CST

Jelze Bunnycat wrote:
Autobot N wrote:
Emerje wrote:The argument just doesn't make sense to me in a line that really seems to want to make toys as close as possible to the originals.

Emerje
That's not what this is though. Megatron and Bumblebee had much more accurate molds to choose from (Galvatron and Hot Rod) and they still went with G1 redecos

And why shouldn't they? This isn't FunPub's Shattered Glass, but a new version with different rules. Had they gone with molds or designs semi-accurate to the original FunPub concept, it would have been broken even before the first release in the Shattered Glass line. The culprit? The Mad Doctor Ratchet:

He's all the way in the back, as a redeco of Energon Roadblock who was inspired by Grapple (tho he should have been scrubs green as originally intended). So he should have been a redeco of ER Grapple and not ER Ratchet if we're going by the desired rules.

Legacy Laser Optimus Prime being redecoed for SG Ultra Magnus isn't... completely out of the cards mind you, but given the current trends of using same-character molds, very unlikely.

I'm not saying that it's a bad thing, I'm just using it to say that people shouldn't be expecting Magnus from Laser Prime

Re: Transformers Legacy Sandstorm, Buzzsaw, and Nightprowler Stock Images (2127027)
Posted by Emerje on February 5th, 2022 @ 9:01pm CST

Autobot N wrote:
Emerje wrote:The argument just doesn't make sense to me in a line that really seems to want to make toys as close as possible to the originals.

Emerje
That's not what this is though. Megatron and Bumblebee had much more accurate molds to choose from (Galvatron and Hot Rod) and they still went with G1 redecos

Except then they'd have one Deluxe, two Voyagers (one at higher price), a Leader at a higher price point and a Commander. They went with Deluxe Goldbug because they already had the head sculpted for the Cliffjumper mold. If they did the Galvatron mold they'd still have to add additional parts to get the look they were aiming for, otherwise he'd still only look the part in one mode and then we'd have two expensive figures in the line instead of the one Commander.

Following that I doubt SG Ultra Magnus in the G2 body would come with the trailer and likely would be at the Voyager price point.

AcademyofDrX wrote:Isn't there already a Shattered Glass thread?

This is actually a Legacy Optimus Prime discussion heavily disguised as a SG discussion because we all love a good repaint. Frankly if they don't do SG Ultra Magnus out of this mold then I want them to do 2006 G-2 Ultra Magnus.

Wouldn't even have to remove the Matrix.

Emerje

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Posted by -Kanrabat- on February 5th, 2022 @ 9:22pm CST

Emerje wrote:2006 G-2 Ultra Magnus.

Emerje

This looks freaking sweet!

Too bad it's so rare and expensive.
The only one I found:

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?siteid=0&pub=5574891718&campid=5336631220&customid=&toolid=10001&mkevt=1&mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.ca%2Fitm%2F184440452538%3Fha%20...%20SwF7xeWtWd%3C%2Fa%3E%26

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Posted by Wolfman Jake on February 6th, 2022 @ 1:26am CST

-Kanrabat- wrote:
Emerje wrote:2006 G-2 Ultra Magnus.

Emerje

This looks freaking sweet!

Too bad it's so rare and expensive.
The only one I found:

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?siteid=0&pub=5574891718&campid=5336631220&customid=&toolid=10001&mkevt=1&mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.ca%2Fitm%2F184440452538%3Fha%20...%20SwF7xeWtWd%3C%2Fa%3E%26

All the more reason that fans would love another shot at this deco with the new Legacy G2 Optimus Prime mold. Hasbro and Takara are going to make BANK from this mold, honestly. G2 Optimus Prime, G2 Ultra Magnus, Black Convoy/Scourge, Toxitron. I'll take them all, please!

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Posted by -Kanrabat- on February 6th, 2022 @ 7:13am CST

Wolfman Jake wrote:All the more reason that fans would love another shot at this deco with the new Legacy G2 Optimus Prime mold. Hasbro and Takara are going to make BANK from this mold, honestly. G2 Optimus Prime, G2 Ultra Magnus, Black Convoy/Scourge, Toxitron. I'll take them all, please!

Exactly. the repaint potential is huge. It shouldn't be limited just to Scourge/Nemesis. That would be a waste.

A redeco I do NOT want to see though:
Caramel Prime. :SICK:

Year of the Goat Platinum Optimus Prime

Not even in Seibertron's galleries.

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Posted by Sabrblade on February 6th, 2022 @ 8:05am CST

-Kanrabat- wrote:
Wolfman Jake wrote:All the more reason that fans would love another shot at this deco with the new Legacy G2 Optimus Prime mold. Hasbro and Takara are going to make BANK from this mold, honestly. G2 Optimus Prime, G2 Ultra Magnus, Black Convoy/Scourge, Toxitron. I'll take them all, please!

Exactly. the repaint potential is huge. It shouldn't be limited just to Scourge/Nemesis. That would be a waste.

A redeco I do NOT want to see though:
Caramel Prime.

Year of the Goat Platinum Optimus Prime

Not even in Seibertron's galleries.

As Optimus, that deco is blah.

Repurposed as an undead, rust-covered, semi-corporeal ghost version of Scourge who serves as a divine spirit of vengeance, however, gives the deco a whole lot more sense (as about 60% of that deco is shamelessly lifted wholecloth from Scourge's deco anyway).

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Posted by Munkky on February 10th, 2022 @ 10:59am CST

I got an e-mail from Hasbro Pulse UK today about my Legacy pre-order, Bulkhead is now shipping out in April instead of July, so I'll have to remember to update the address in my account details to the new address I'm moving into next month before that ships. It still says July for Arcee, fingers crossed the Deluxes get moved up too, but at least I have Bulkhead to look forward to soon.

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Posted by ZeldaTheSwordsman on February 10th, 2022 @ 6:43pm CST

I have to say that the only Legacy toy I'm currently looking forward to is Skids.

That's it.

Based on all we've seen thus far (at least that's been newsed), Skids is the only one I'm particularly anticipating. And Bulkhead is the only other one I rate as particularly neat, just not on my "get" list. The others are all either under "Disappointing", "Waste of a slot", or "Don't know enough."

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Posted by Rodimus Prime on February 10th, 2022 @ 6:54pm CST

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:I have to say that the only Legacy toy I'm currently looking forward to is Skids.

That's it.

Based on all we've seen thus far (at least that's been newsed), Skids is the only one I'm particularly anticipating. And Bulkhead is the only other one I rate as particularly neat, just not on my "get" list. The others are all either under "Disappointing", "Waste of a slot", or "Don't know enough."

Skids is also the only one I have on preorder, and IIRC Beast Wars Inferno and Tarantulas are coming in the line as well. Those are the only ones along with maybe Blitzwing that I'll get. Though I still think Blitzwing should have been in SS86.

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Posted by Autobot N on February 10th, 2022 @ 8:45pm CST

Rodimus Prime wrote:
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:I have to say that the only Legacy toy I'm currently looking forward to is Skids.

That's it.

Based on all we've seen thus far (at least that's been newsed), Skids is the only one I'm particularly anticipating. And Bulkhead is the only other one I rate as particularly neat, just not on my "get" list. The others are all either under "Disappointing", "Waste of a slot", or "Don't know enough."
Skids is also the only one I have on preorder, and IIRC Beast Wars Inferno and Tarantulas are coming in the line as well. Those are the only ones along with maybe Blitzwing that I'll get. Though I still think Blitzwing should have been in SS86.

I'm not really sure what difference Blitzwing being in SS86 or Legacy makes. It'd still be the same toy

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Posted by o.supreme on February 10th, 2022 @ 9:42pm CST

I think it's been well established any character.that appeared in TF:TM and was an ER, Kingdom or Legacy release is TF:TM in spirit.

The only slightly possible difference I could see is that SS in particular have a cleaner exterior and fewer 5 mm ports. For example, had Cyclonus, Galvatron, or Rodimus been SS86 as opposed to Kingdom, they would probably have fewer 5mm ports, and a cleaner finish, but that's not really a big deal.

ER Starscream was re relased in SS86 with minimal tooling and paint differences, and some extra "stuff" to make it a leader.

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Posted by Sabrblade on February 10th, 2022 @ 10:46pm CST

o.supreme wrote:ER Starscream was re relased in SS86 with minimal tooling and paint differences, and some extra "stuff" to make it a leader.

Which also canceled his Kingdom rerelease.

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Posted by Rodimus Prime on February 11th, 2022 @ 1:13am CST

Autobot N wrote:
Rodimus Prime wrote:
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:I have to say that the only Legacy toy I'm currently looking forward to is Skids.

That's it.

Based on all we've seen thus far (at least that's been newsed), Skids is the only one I'm particularly anticipating. And Bulkhead is the only other one I rate as particularly neat, just not on my "get" list. The others are all either under "Disappointing", "Waste of a slot", or "Don't know enough."
Skids is also the only one I have on preorder, and IIRC Beast Wars Inferno and Tarantulas are coming in the line as well. Those are the only ones along with maybe Blitzwing that I'll get. Though I still think Blitzwing should have been in SS86.
I'm not really sure what difference Blitzwing being in SS86 or Legacy makes. It'd still be the same toy

Not necessarily. In Legacy more liberties can be taken with deco and design. In SS86 he would have to look just like he did on screen.

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Posted by chuckdawg1999 on February 11th, 2022 @ 6:07pm CST

Sabrblade wrote:
o.supreme wrote:ER Starscream was re relased in SS86 with minimal tooling and paint differences, and some extra "stuff" to make it a leader.
Which also canceled his Kingdom rerelease.

I was wondering if that happened. Thanks for letting me know.

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Posted by Sabrblade on February 11th, 2022 @ 6:36pm CST

chuckdawg1999 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
o.supreme wrote:ER Starscream was re relased in SS86 with minimal tooling and paint differences, and some extra "stuff" to make it a leader.
Which also canceled his Kingdom rerelease.

I was wondering if that happened. Thanks for letting me know.

Yeah, Blaster replaced his slot, but not his number.

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Posted by Emerje on February 11th, 2022 @ 8:10pm CST

Rodimus Prime wrote:Not necessarily. In Legacy more liberties can be taken with deco and design. In SS86 he would have to look just like he did on screen.

You mean like with Studio Series Cyclonus and Kingdom Scourge here?

Oh wait, I seem to have gotten that backwards.

Emerje

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Posted by ZeldaTheSwordsman on February 11th, 2022 @ 9:05pm CST

Get over it, people: The subline labels aren't as meaningful anymore when it comes to neo-G1 stuff. The main meaning of the SS86 label isn't strictly movie accuracy since all the neo-G1 TFTM toys are going for that; it's movie focus. The characters sold under that banner are primarily TFTM newbies, with a few featured-but-not-introduced-in-the-movie characters to round out the assortments.

And tbh the only Kingdom TFTM mold with particularly noticeable liberties vs. the movie is Ultra Magnus, because he's a retool.

As for the SS86 labeling on BB Cliffjumper, it's just an attempt to make his accurate-layout-but-KO-grade deco more exciting.

Moving on from that... My feeling that Legacy should be paused in favor of an Earthrise restock is only getting stronger. There are two particularly good toys (Skids and Bulkhead) and one okay toy (Laser Optimus, who while he pales next to the original is less pathetic in the trailer dept. than ER Optimus) among what we've actually properly seen, and the rest are disappointments (Thanks for screwing up Menasor twice, HasTak!) or just unknown quantities beyond name.

Meanwhile, what is a known quantity is every ER Seeker not named Starscream got scalped horrendously and is now being resold at annoying prices, and several ER Deluxes cost $50-$60 on eBay. There are tail-end SIEGE toys in a similar boat.

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Posted by AcademyofDrX on February 12th, 2022 @ 1:24am CST

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Get over it, people: The subline labels aren't as meaningful anymore when it comes to neo-G1 stuff. The main meaning of the SS86 label isn't strictly movie accuracy since all the neo-G1 TFTM toys are going for that; it's movie focus. The characters sold under that banner are primarily TFTM newbies, with a few featured-but-not-introduced-in-the-movie characters to round out the assortments.

And tbh the only Kingdom TFTM mold with particularly noticeable liberties vs. the movie is Ultra Magnus, because he's a retool.

As for the SS86 labeling on BB Cliffjumper, it's just an attempt to make his accurate-layout-but-KO-grade deco more exciting.

Moving on from that... My feeling that Legacy should be paused in favor of an Earthrise restock is only getting stronger. There are two particularly good toys (Skids and Bulkhead) and one okay toy (Laser Optimus, who while he pales next to the original is less pathetic in the trailer dept. than ER Optimus) among what we've actually properly seen, and the rest are disappointments (Thanks for screwing up Menasor twice, HasTak!) or just unknown quantities beyond name.

Meanwhile, what is a known quantity is every ER Seeker not named Starscream got scalped horrendously and is now being resold at annoying prices, and several ER Deluxes cost $50-$60 on eBay. There are tail-end SIEGE toys in a similar boat.

"The distribution of WfC retailer exclusives was bad" has as much to do with the Legacy line as "SS86 and Kingdom are the same line / are completely unrelated lines."

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Posted by Rodimus Prime on February 12th, 2022 @ 10:52am CST

Well isn't WFC finished anyway with the release of Blaster and the shipment of Terrorsaur? So we might see some stores put out backstock, but Hasbro itself won't release any more figures, right?

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Posted by Spider5800 on February 12th, 2022 @ 11:09am CST

Thew got an early copy of Legacy Bulkhead.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlfIJth8YZM

His reviews are obviously a lot sillier than others, but it gives us a good look at the toy and gimmicks.

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Posted by -Kanrabat- on February 12th, 2022 @ 12:15pm CST

Spider5800 wrote:Thew got an early copy of Legacy Bulkhead.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlfIJth8YZM

His reviews are obviously a lot sillier than others, but it gives us a good look at the toy and gimmicks.

I love how They addressed the "tealleaves" first.

I agree with Thew that this tow itself is not bad, just generic and Bulkhead deserved better.
Still gonna buy it though.

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Posted by o.supreme on February 12th, 2022 @ 1:04pm CST

-Kanrabat- wrote:I love how They addressed the "tealleaves" first.

I agree with Thew that this tow itself is not bad, just generic and Bulkhead deserved better.
Still gonna buy it though.

I think it was more a response to what happened recently with Mattell having 2 YouTube toy review channels shut down even though they legit purchased new Jurassic World Dominion toys from an online retailer. They got shut down because "spoilers".

I would be weary of anyone reviewing new KotB toys, even if they are kid oriented. Hasbro dosen't seem to care about free advertising of most of their toys, even if obtained unscrupulously. But for a brand new movie, Paramount might lean on Hasbro harder.

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Posted by -Kanrabat- on February 12th, 2022 @ 1:40pm CST

o.supreme wrote:
-Kanrabat- wrote:I love how They addressed the "tealleaves" first.

I agree with Thew that this toy itself is not bad, just generic and Bulkhead deserved better.
Still gonna buy it though.

I think it was more a response to what happened recently with Mattell having 2 YouTube toy review channels shut down even though they legit purchased new Jurassic World Dominion toys from an online retailer. They got shut down because "spoilers".

I would be weary of anyone reviewing new KotB toys, even if they are kid oriented. Hasbro dosen't seem to care about free advertising of most of their toys, even if obtained unscrupulously. But for a brand new movie, Paramount might lean on Hasbro harder.

Oh yeah, you're right about that one.

What a shitshow. Mattel is truly out of touch regarding free online advertising. Especially when that advertising is worth MILLIONS and going against it is like spending money to ruin your reputation. Akin to some game/movie producers who defend their flawed products against dissatisfied fans by telling them "If you don't like it, don't buy it." Then Pikachu-face when sales go down the drain.

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Posted by sol magnus on February 12th, 2022 @ 2:10pm CST

-Kanrabat- wrote:
o.supreme wrote:
-Kanrabat- wrote:I love how They addressed the "tealleaves" first.

I agree with Thew that this toy itself is not bad, just generic and Bulkhead deserved better.
Still gonna buy it though.

I think it was more a response to what happened recently with Mattell having 2 YouTube toy review channels shut down even though they legit purchased new Jurassic World Dominion toys from an online retailer. They got shut down because "spoilers".

I would be weary of anyone reviewing new KotB toys, even if they are kid oriented. Hasbro dosen't seem to care about free advertising of most of their toys, even if obtained unscrupulously. But for a brand new movie, Paramount might lean on Hasbro harder.

Oh yeah, you're right about that one.

What a shitshow. Mattel is truly out of touch regarding free online advertising. Especially when that advertising is worth MILLIONS and going against it is like spending money to ruin your reputation. Akin to some game/movie producers who defend their flawed products against dissatisfied fans by telling them "If you don't like it, don't buy it." Then Pikachu-face when sales go down the drain.

I only know about this debacle in the most headline skimmy of ways, but is it possible Paramount dropped the hammer on Mattel to crack down on it - and were the toys in question for the upcoming movie?

On the surface (which is as far as I even want to go on this), it looks bad.

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Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on February 12th, 2022 @ 2:34pm CST

sol magnus wrote:
-Kanrabat- wrote:
o.supreme wrote:
-Kanrabat- wrote:I love how They addressed the "tealleaves" first.

I agree with Thew that this toy itself is not bad, just generic and Bulkhead deserved better.
Still gonna buy it though.

I think it was more a response to what happened recently with Mattell having 2 YouTube toy review channels shut down even though they legit purchased new Jurassic World Dominion toys from an online retailer. They got shut down because "spoilers".

I would be weary of anyone reviewing new KotB toys, even if they are kid oriented. Hasbro dosen't seem to care about free advertising of most of their toys, even if obtained unscrupulously. But for a brand new movie, Paramount might lean on Hasbro harder.

Oh yeah, you're right about that one.

What a shitshow. Mattel is truly out of touch regarding free online advertising. Especially when that advertising is worth MILLIONS and going against it is like spending money to ruin your reputation. Akin to some game/movie producers who defend their flawed products against dissatisfied fans by telling them "If you don't like it, don't buy it." Then Pikachu-face when sales go down the drain.

I only know about this debacle in the most headline skimmy of ways, but is it possible Paramount dropped the hammer on Mattel to crack down on it - and were the toys in question for the upcoming movie?

On the surface (which is as far as I even want to go on this), it looks bad.

If I may throw in my two cents (while attempting on steering the thread back to Legacy):

Funny the OP mentioned "spoilers", because you may not realize this, but people may actually wanna see any given movie first before letting themselves be exposed to related merchandise, especially that of later parts of the movie. Spoilers destroy the fun of watching a movie for the first time, as in not knowing what may happen next, and may even deter people from watching it in the first place; the surprise and therefore the fun, is gone. And let me tell you, people are sue-happy in the US, with that they can claim "lost potential revenue". That's what Street Dates are for :-P

RotB should be safe, as the early waves of any given movie toyline feature revealed main characters, giving time for the dust to settle as it were, and Legacy should be safe for not having a theatrical movie tie-in to spoil :lol:

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Posted by o.supreme on February 12th, 2022 @ 3:12pm CST

I agree in that spoilers should be avoided. However if that is the case, then the studio should hold the toy manufacturer accountable to make sure the toys don't even begin shipping to retailers until said movie is released,much less have them available for purchase.

If unscrupulous individuals post pics from toy shows not open to the public, or steal toys, then sure, come down on them hard. But if you truly don't want to be spoiled for a movie in this day and age, the only way to do that is not go online at all.

That is the only reason I mentioned RotB. I figured Legacy is safe, and SS is only focusing on older films.

Since RotB had been pushed back a year though, and perhaps any SS toys that might make it to market before June 2023, things might get risky for legit TF toy reviewers.

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Posted by AcademyofDrX on February 12th, 2022 @ 5:13pm CST

sol magnus wrote:I only know about this debacle in the most headline skimmy of ways, but is it possible Paramount dropped the hammer on Mattel to crack down on it - and were the toys in question for the upcoming movie?

On the surface (which is as far as I even want to go on this), it looks bad.

Jurassic World is a Universal property. Notably, it's not just a Universal movie, but Universal IP. Other toy reviewers like Pixel Dan said that the takedown was likely driven by Universal rather than Mattel based on his own experiences with past Jurassic World NDAs.

I think the risk of Paramount doing something similar for Transformers is very low since Hasbro is the owner of the IP. The licensing relationship is basically the opposite of Jurassic Park and Mattel, and Hasbro has not generally tried to directly challenge this kind of thing.

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Posted by Autobot N on February 12th, 2022 @ 6:33pm CST

The figures will be out for a whole year before RotB, I don't see what the point of taking down reviews would be. They can't keep it a secret for that long

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Posted by Till-all-R1 on February 12th, 2022 @ 9:41pm CST

I don't consider characters a spoiler, only events and places that would basically reveal something you don't want to know until you see the movie.

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