Transformers Legacy News: Bulkhead Concept Art and Product Codes

Of that, I plan to get -

SS Voyager 86 Junkyard: F3177
SS Leader 86-12 Sludge: F3203
SS Core 86 Spike: F3142
Legacy Leader Blitzwing: F3062
Legacy Voyager Beast Inferno: F3075
Legacy Deluxe Tarantulas: F3032
Legacy Core Iguanus: F3014
Legacy Voyager Jhiaxus: F3058
Legacy Deluxe Wildrider: F3030
Legacy Deluxe Knockout: F3031

And I plan to get:

SS Deluxe TF6 Ironhide: F3171
SS Deluxe TF6 Arcee: F3162
SS Voyager 86 Junkyard: F3177
SS Leader 86-12 Sludge: F3203
SS Core 86 Spike: F3142
Legacy Leader Blitzwing: F3062
Legacy Voyager Beast Inferno: F3075
Legacy Deluxe Elita 1: F3033
Legacy Deluxe Tarantulas: F3032
Legacy Core Iguanus: F3014
Legacy Voyager Jhiaxus: F3058
Legacy Deluxe Wildrider: F3030

Maybe Legacy Deluxe Knockout: F3031

If Elita-1 is not a repaint of Netflix Elita-1, then I'll likely get her. Do we have any hard info on her other than a name?

sol magnus wrote:If Elita-1 is not a repaint of Netflix Elita-1, then I'll likely get her. Do we have any hard info on her other than a name?

No hard info, only rumours. And the rumour is that she is not a redeco of the Netflix release.

william-james88 wrote:

THAT is Bulkhead.
Sigh...

Too bad that's not the one we will get.

william-james88 wrote:

sol magnus wrote:If Elita-1 is not a repaint of Netflix Elita-1, then I'll likely get her. Do we have any hard info on her other than a name?

No hard info, only rumours. And the rumour is that she is not a redeco of the Netflix release.

Hopefully she's not a repainted Prime Arcee. I'd want Flamewar for that.

The prevailing opinion among leakers is that she's the Big Name pretool for Walgreens Minerva, who is the intended use of their shared mold

sol magnus wrote:If Elita-1 is not a repaint of Netflix Elita-1, then I'll likely get her. Do we have any hard info on her other than a name?

She's supposedly the mainline release of the rumored Wal-Greens Minerva figure

Sentinel_Primal wrote:

sol magnus wrote:If Elita-1 is not a repaint of Netflix Elita-1, then I'll likely get her. Do we have any hard info on her other than a name?

She's supposedly the mainline release of the rumored Wal-Greens Minerva figure

Which would make her an "Earth Mode" Elita-1, perhaps. If it's what you say it is, I love it.

sol magnus wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

sol magnus wrote:If Elita-1 is not a repaint of Netflix Elita-1, then I'll likely get her. Do we have any hard info on her other than a name?

No hard info, only rumours. And the rumour is that she is not a redeco of the Netflix release.

Hopefully she's not a repainted Prime Arcee. I'd want Flamewar for that.

The most plausible theory I've heard is that Arcee is a pretool for G2 Road Rocket. I can definitely see it with the way the front wheel splits and and can likely be placed over her shoulders and her non classic-feminine body.



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That concept art definitely has more traditional Bulkhead proportions, yes. Shame it can't actually transform, since the legs completely change shape to become that truck bed/back half and the arms are entirely too thick to fit inside the chest like they do on the actual figure.

Hopefully we see the remaining Wave 1 Cores and some/all of Wave 2 sooner rather than later, considering how reveals were spaced for Kingdom.

I can see 3rd parties creating some add-on pieces for Bulkhead to get the proportions people want. Thigh pieces, and couple shin pieces and foot parts, and some shoulder covers with larger wheels.

Or just a new head, andt make him G2 General Optimus Prime
https://tformers.com/daily-prime-botcon ... /news.html

That said, there's a lot of stuff I'm really hyped for in Legacy.

Sludge, Blitzwing, Inferno, Tarantulas, Armada Starscream.

they should have went with this concept

Ultra Markus wrote:they should have went with this concept

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That would have been an automatic pass. The new one at least has some redeeming traits, that one is just green Grapple with a bigger jaw and a mishapen hoodie

Ultra Markus wrote:they should have went with this concept

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That would have just been an extensive retool of Grapple. Bulkhead is a loud and proud fat man who should never be skinny.

Sabrblade wrote:

Ultra Markus wrote:they should have went with this concept

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That would have just been an extensive retool of Grapple. Bulkhead is a loud and proud fat man who should never be skinny.

Grapple wasn't skinny either

Wait, Bulkhead is the son of Grapple and Omega Supreme? Is this Cannon?

Sculyblast wrote:Wait, Bulkhead is the son of Grapple and Omega Supreme? Is this Cannon?

No. This is a cannon:

Sabrblade wrote:

Sculyblast wrote:Wait, Bulkhead is the son of Grapple and Omega Supreme? Is this Cannon?

No. This is a cannon:

He didn't ask about a cannon, he asked about Cannon, which indicates asking about a person, not an object.

As for that Grapple repaint, it wouldn't be any worse than what we actually got. Still nowhere near accurate.

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Sculyblast wrote:Wait, Bulkhead is the son of Grapple and Omega Supreme? Is this Cannon?

No. This is a cannon:

He didn't ask about a cannon, he asked about Cannon, which indicates asking about a person, not an object.

As for that Grapple repaint, it wouldn't be any worse than what we actually got. Still nowhere near accurate.

Check your spelling.

The only real difference between the concept art and the final product is the proportions, honestly, and that comes down to physics and translating 2D artwork into a 3D functioning transforming toy. I'm going to go against popular opinion and say that the finalized figure looks better proportioned and less like a huge brick. The "bulk" is still there, just mostly in the chest and gut, which some guys are built like. It definitely fits in better with G1 than more stylized Transformers franchises like Animated or Prime.

Just saw Friday's news.

IMO Blitzwing should probably have been a Voyager while Legacy Armada Starscream should have been a Leader. I get SIEGE Astrotrain being a Leader, I would understand a new Octane being a Leader, but I don't know what Blitzwing has or needs that would require that. The Armada Seeker design, on the other hand, absolutely has things that would likely take the extra mass to deal with properly. Although at least a Voyager recreation won't be as pathetic as the Deluxe recreation.

Also wish Elita was a Voyager... She had better be a new freaking mold with her actual altmode.

EDIT: Forgot to say, definitely looking forward to Sludge tho. And will be interested to see how Junkheap looks, even if purchase will probably be low priority there.

Nemesis Primal wrote:That concept art definitely has more traditional Bulkhead proportions, yes. Shame it can't actually transform, since the legs completely change shape to become that truck bed/back half and the arms are entirely too thick to fit inside the chest like they do on the actual figure.

I think the arms are supposed to go behind the back, not into the chest. And I don't really think the legs change shape; I think the feet fold down and the toes tuck in.

Sabrblade wrote:

Sculyblast wrote:Wait, Bulkhead is the son of Grapple and Omega Supreme? Is this Cannon?

No. This is a cannon:

Is that the cannon TFwiki will murder people with for mixing up "cannon" and "canon"?

Did the Velocitron thread get merged with this, or deleted outright?

I'm okay with Blitzwing being labeled a leader, because it means he'd be a voyager under older size classes. He'll be fine next to my TR Astrotrain and Octane. If he's actually a good figure, that is.

Otherwise, Sludge and Jhiaxus are the only ones I'm really looking forward to. We already know what we're getting with Sludge (assuming they stay with the quality of the SS86 figures), and hopefully we get a Jhiaxus in proper colors, even though he should have been a leader as well.

Now if they ever get around to leader class Thunderwing and Straxus, I'll be set. But I know, only so many leader spots to go around.

Man, how I wish Bulkhead had the proportions of that concept art. The new figure just doesn't do the proportions on him justice.

As for the product list, here are the ones I am thinking of getting

Selects Deluxe Guard: F3071 (rumoured Black Ironhide)
SS Deluxe TF6 Ironhide: F3171
SS Deluxe TF6 Arcee: F3162
SS Leader 86-12 Sludge: F3203
Legacy Voyager Beast Inferno: F3075
Legacy Voyager Armada Starscream: F3056
Legacy Deluxe Tarantulas: F3032
Legacy Core Iguanus: F3014
Legacy Voyager Jhiaxus: F3058
Legacy Deluxe Knockout: F3031

Sludge will determine if I sell Slug and stick with Grimlock or actually go in on the set. Knock Out is a most likely no, but I will wait to see him to make a final answer

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Sculyblast wrote:Wait, Bulkhead is the son of Grapple and Omega Supreme? Is this Cannon?

No. This is a cannon:

Is that the cannon TFwiki will murder people with for mixing up "cannon" and "canon"?

Nsh, it's from Wikipedia.

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:She had better be a new freaking mold with her actual altmode.

She's a pretool for the Walgreens exclusive Minerva

Agreed with everyone who said making Bulkhead a Grapple remold would have been a worse figure.

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:

Nemesis Primal wrote:That concept art definitely has more traditional Bulkhead proportions, yes. Shame it can't actually transform, since the legs completely change shape to become that truck bed/back half and the arms are entirely too thick to fit inside the chest like they do on the actual figure.

I think the arms are supposed to go behind the back, not into the chest. And I don't really think the legs change shape; I think the feet fold down and the toes tuck in.

The art is 100% cheating. If the arms are supposed to go back like Animated Bulk's transformation, then the spare tires behind the cab can't be where they are shown to be (and where we know they did end up on the actual product), and if the arms transform like they do on the figure we've seen, then they're supposed to fold inside the chest, but they don't have the clearance at this size to do so. As for the legs, the feet definitely do what you said since we've seen they fold up to form the truck bed's tailgate on the actual figure, but when I said they change shape I'm talking about the fact that the truck bed (and possibly both the legs the truck bed parts are attached to, it's hard to tell) is longer in the alt mode concept than it's parts are shown to be in bot mode with no visible mechanism to account for that change.

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Did the Velocitron thread get merged with this, or deleted outright?

Someone renamed the Velocitron thread to "Rumors of Exclusives in 2022" after making the news article about the Orion Pax/Alpha Trion rumor.

Nemesis Primal wrote:Agreed with everyone who said making Bulkhead a Grapple remold would have been a worse figure.

A better figure but a worse Bulkhead imo

When do you guys think we'll get to see a tease for Menasor's combined mode or Motormaster himself? I'm hoping that we'll get the tease at New York Toy Fair, but I wouldn't be surprised if that event either just shows off Wave 1 and a bit of Wave 2 (like maybe they show off whichever Stunticon is in Wave 2 and an Autobot), or is more for Studio Series figures.

Autobot N wrote:

Nemesis Primal wrote:Agreed with everyone who said making Bulkhead a Grapple remold would have been a worse figure.

A better figure but a worse Bulkhead imo

I think the figure would have been worse honestly. Grapple retool was worst case scenario here.

Sentinel_Primal wrote:When do you guys think we'll get to see a tease for Menasor's combined mode or Motormaster himself? I'm hoping that we'll get the tease at New York Toy Fair, but I wouldn't be surprised if that event either just shows off Wave 1 and a bit of Wave 2 (like maybe they show off whichever Stunticon is in Wave 2 and an Autobot), or is more for Studio Series figures.

Here is the likely scenario for coming reveals:

January: Fan First Friday with more SS86 reveals from the Fall or Winter
early February: Legacy Wave 1 cores are found in stores and finally revealed that way
mid-February: NYCC coincides with Wave 2 Legacy reveals and titan reveal
May: Wave 3 Legacy reveals including Menasor reveal to coincide with full stock of wave 1 in stores and finding of wave 2 in asian countries and UK
July: Wave 2 of 2022 SS hits shelves and is given half-hearted reveal after the fact
August: wave 4 Legacy reveal
November: wave 3 2022 SS figures found in stores
December: wave 3 2022 SS figures revealed while wave 4 found in stores and never revealed

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:

Autobot N wrote:

Nemesis Primal wrote:Agreed with everyone who said making Bulkhead a Grapple remold would have been a worse figure.

A better figure but a worse Bulkhead imo

I think the figure would have been worse honestly. Grapple retool was worst case scenario here.

Sentinel_Primal wrote:When do you guys think we'll get to see a tease for Menasor's combined mode or Motormaster himself? I'm hoping that we'll get the tease at New York Toy Fair, but I wouldn't be surprised if that event either just shows off Wave 1 and a bit of Wave 2 (like maybe they show off whichever Stunticon is in Wave 2 and an Autobot), or is more for Studio Series figures.

Here is the likely scenario for coming reveals:

January: Fan First Friday with more SS86 reveals from the Fall or Winter
early February: Legacy Wave 1 cores are found in stores and finally revealed that way
mid-February: NYCC coincides with Wave 2 Legacy reveals and titan reveal
May: Wave 3 Legacy reveals including Menasor reveal to coincide with full stock of wave 1 in stores and finding of wave 2 in asian countries and UK
July: Wave 2 of 2022 SS hits shelves and is given half-hearted reveal after the fact
August: wave 4 Legacy reveal
November: wave 3 2022 SS figures found in stores
December: wave 3 2022 SS figures revealed while wave 4 found in stores and never revealed

While we joke, this is a frighteningly real possibility going on past performance.

ZeroWolf wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:

Autobot N wrote:

Nemesis Primal wrote:Agreed with everyone who said making Bulkhead a Grapple remold would have been a worse figure.

A better figure but a worse Bulkhead imo

I think the figure would have been worse honestly. Grapple retool was worst case scenario here.

Sentinel_Primal wrote:When do you guys think we'll get to see a tease for Menasor's combined mode or Motormaster himself? I'm hoping that we'll get the tease at New York Toy Fair, but I wouldn't be surprised if that event either just shows off Wave 1 and a bit of Wave 2 (like maybe they show off whichever Stunticon is in Wave 2 and an Autobot), or is more for Studio Series figures.

Here is the likely scenario for coming reveals:

January: Fan First Friday with more SS86 reveals from the Fall or Winter
early February: Legacy Wave 1 cores are found in stores and finally revealed that way
mid-February: NYCC coincides with Wave 2 Legacy reveals and titan reveal
May: Wave 3 Legacy reveals including Menasor reveal to coincide with full stock of wave 1 in stores and finding of wave 2 in asian countries and UK
July: Wave 2 of 2022 SS hits shelves and is given half-hearted reveal after the fact
August: wave 4 Legacy reveal
November: wave 3 2022 SS figures found in stores
December: wave 3 2022 SS figures revealed while wave 4 found in stores and never revealed

While we joke, this is a frighteningly real possibility going on past performance.

I was only half joking when i wrote that. Given some more thought, I could adjust the times a bit to make it my real prediction

Legacy Started in the best possible way.

Nice . I'm also glad to know that I'm not the only one who uses Aragon as a stand-in for Grand's "Cog". I cannot wait to get my BZ and have my Titan Shelf truly complete. Even GameStop however seems to be delayed in getting this into the United States. I have my pre-order with Pulse, but basically, whoever gets it first, for the original price point gets my money.

Funny enough, this Legacy Selects is the only item of that line I am purchasing thus far.

JTPrime has now stated that Twincast (with Rewind) is the Legacy Wave 4 Voyager.

Happy holidays y'all!

Finally got a break from my studies, so I can give my thoughts on the Legacy reveals. Mind you, it's a few months waiting, so it's going to be a bit of a text dump:

In general, the G1 characters so far look very good, though I can only say for certain when we start getting reviews. The Energon Weapon gimmick seems fun, especially if they do combine like the Solitarium weapons or even just like the Energon ones - which, if Prime Arcee's blades/shield are any indication, is pretty likely - and are not as intrusive as previous line-wide gimmicks for those who want an accurate representation of the character coughprimewarstrilogycough.

The other continuity characters, though, are a bit hit and miss. If they just transplanted characters into the G1 aesthetic like they did with so many like Barricade, Bulkhead, Lugnut and Lockdown I wouldn't mind (...okay I would mind a bit we were still stuck in G1, but at least the other iterations were being aknowledged), but to advertise them as being the non-G1 characters when they're clearly designed differently just feels wrong. It feels like a repeat of the Prime Masters, where instead of toys of the Thirteen or updated Pretender toys we got a mishmash of both which ended up being faithful to neither. Prime Arcee doesn't actually look too bad - she's just blockier and with a nose - but Prime Bulkhead they didn't even try: it's basically another character with Bulkhead's head and mace, and the vehicle looks less like Prime's jeep-like truck and more like Animated's military van, and even then only in the most superficial level (long, cylindrical six-wheeled military vehicle), since the details are closer to AOE Hound. The concept art is closer, but it still needed shorter legs and a bigger torso to be true Bulkhead proportions. Honestly, the whole thing makes me wish they don't touch on the more "drastic" designs like Animated and Beast Machines - and that's a poor sentiment to have for a line that's meant to homage all of Transformers' history.

As for the Menasor combiner, that seems like a pass for me. I'm usually all for greater cartoon accuracy, but when you sacrifice an integral and frankly more interesting gimmick of the original - the interchangeable limbs with other similar combiners - for the sake of what's basically a persistent character model error, I feel it's a bit too much. That being said, if this was an alternate continuity's take on Menasor, or as a rumour said a multiversal Menasor made from different iterations of the Stunticons (which I think has been debunked by now but still sounded interesting), I'd be all for it; it actually sounds like an original take on combination we rarely see in Transformers, and it reminds me of that concept from a scan of the Generations book which was basically 14 cars and a base. I hope we do see more original combiners like that in Transformers in the future outside of the typical humanoid gestalt we tend to get, like the Duocons, beast combiners like Sky Lynx and Magmatron, weapon combiners like the Armada Mini-Con teams, GoBots-esque exosuits or the cancelled (also from Generations book) vertically-split animal-vehicle Duocons.

As for the rumours: Cybertron Metroplex sounds really good, but the original was pretty much a copy of the toy's AutoCAD anyway, I don't really care for scale accuracy and it will probably not have the Cyber Planet Key gimmick, so it's not for me; I hope Iguanus is an update of the Pretender concept instead of another Transformer with the robot mode shaped like the Pretender shell, or at least the Beast Wars character; no idea what the Energon Monsters are yet, but given the Energon Weapon gimmick could it be another take on the Weaponizer/BattleMaster/Fossilizer concept?

MaximalNui wrote:I hope Iguanus is an update of the Pretender concept instead of another Transformer with the robot mode shaped like the Pretender shell, or at least the Beast Wars character;

Hope is just undiscovered dissapointment.

MaximalNui wrote:another Transformer with the robot mode shaped like the Pretender shell

That's exactly what he is

Maybe after they release Menasor, they could give us a show-accurate Bruticus set, including Swindle with the windscreen chest, and Blast-Off's wings forming the combiner's chestplate.

Unite Warriors Bruticus has the right colors, that is good enough for me

william-james88 wrote:

MaximalNui wrote:I hope Iguanus is an update of the Pretender concept instead of another Transformer with the robot mode shaped like the Pretender shell, or at least the Beast Wars character;

Hope is just undiscovered dissapointment.

I was hoping Iguanus would be a Pretender like the Prime Wars ones. At least that way theys a chance I could get Diver and complete the set. However I am at least interested in whatever these energon monsters could be.

o.supreme wrote:Unite Warriors Bruticus has the right colors, that is good enough for me

And I think that's as good as we will get for Bruticus. That version even retools the amount of blades for vortex.

william-james88 wrote:

o.supreme wrote:Unite Warriors Bruticus has the right colors, that is good enough for me

And I think that's as good as we will get for Bruticus. That version even retools the amount of blades for vortex.

I have UW Bruticus and the set is only truly good with the epic upgrade kit. Still good enough without though.

Anyway, if a second combiner with it's own unique system ever came out like Legacy Menasor, I think the next one should be Liokaiser. The CW version was just "fan art."

-Kanrabat- wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

o.supreme wrote:Unite Warriors Bruticus has the right colors, that is good enough for me

And I think that's as good as we will get for Bruticus. That version even retools the amount of blades for vortex.

I have UW Bruticus and the set is only truly good with the epic upgrade kit. Still good enough without though.

Anyway, if a second combiner with it's own unique system ever came out like Legacy Menasor, I think the next one should be Liokaiser. The CW version was just "fan art."

Definetely. The CW version is not only a mere repaint, but it also misses the point by having combiner kibble, of which the original only had the combiner helmet. However, I think it is too obscure a combiner for the mainline. IF we ever get him, I'm afraid we'll probably get him trough HasLab.

Rtron wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

o.supreme wrote:Unite Warriors Bruticus has the right colors, that is good enough for me

And I think that's as good as we will get for Bruticus. That version even retools the amount of blades for vortex.

I have UW Bruticus and the set is only truly good with the epic upgrade kit. Still good enough without though.

Anyway, if a second combiner with it's own unique system ever came out like Legacy Menasor, I think the next one should be Liokaiser. The CW version was just "fan art."

Definetely. The CW version is not only a mere repaint, but it also misses the point by having combiner kibble, of which the original only had the combiner helmet. However, I think it is too obscure a combiner for the mainline. IF we ever get him, I'm afraid we'll probably get him trough HasLab.

Or TakaraTomy Selects... once we get two figures suitable for retooling into Leozack and Jallguar.

I think Bruticus is definitely a candidate for an upgrade, as is Defensor. Maybe even Superion, but he was really good in CW already. The Silverbolt mold aged much better than the Motormaster and Onslaught/Hotspot molds.

I don't think we need to circle back around to the CW combiners for at least another 5-10 years. If anything, we are overdue for a Monstructor, maybe give us a Commander class Magnaboss and Tripredacus, and how about generations versions of RiD2015 combiners or even a proper Cyberverse Volcanicus?

We don't need to re-do the G1 ones. Let them sleep for a while.

As for the Black Zarak images coupled with rumors of red Cog, I really am realizing I should have gotten Grand Max

I don't think we need a new Volcanicus, the PotP version is about 95% of the way to the Cyberverse version. If we're only getting one a year, then Hasbro probably isn't going to go too deep into the catalog. I don't want a Monstructor unless they're going to get serious about Pretender shells, which I don't expect anytime soon.

AcademyofDrX wrote:I don't think we need a new Volcanicus, the PotP version is about 95% of the way to the Cyberverse version. If we're only getting one a year, then Hasbro probably isn't going to go too deep into the catalog. I don't want a Monstructor unless they're going to get serious about Pretender shells, which I don't expect anytime soon.

I think we do, the Cyberverse transformation scheme is very different, probably on par with the CW vs G1 cartoon Menasor in terms of looks/design.

I really want to see Monstructor. I have accepted that modern Pretenders will never have shells again, only have a inner robot/shell fusion, and I am willing to accept that to get Monstructor

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:

AcademyofDrX wrote:I don't think we need a new Volcanicus, the PotP version is about 95% of the way to the Cyberverse version. If we're only getting one a year, then Hasbro probably isn't going to go too deep into the catalog. I don't want a Monstructor unless they're going to get serious about Pretender shells, which I don't expect anytime soon.

I think we do, the Cyberverse transformation scheme is very different, probably on par with the CW vs G1 cartoon Menasor in terms of looks/design.

I really want to see Monstructor. I have accepted that modern Pretenders will never have shells again, only have a inner robot/shell fusion, and I am willing to accept that to get Monstructor

While I'm glad some people can do with fusions, that's the kind of update that sounds pointless for me. It's sort of the same dilemma we'll face when they start redoing Cybertron. When a gimmick is so central to a design's personality and enjoyment, is there really a point to a redo that omits that gimmick? In my case, the answer to that question about pretenders is "no". Having essentially two action figures is sort of the whole point. And also the reason why we'll probably never get pretenders again.

The only way I can see pretenders happening again is with a bunch of core class transforming inner robots, with deluxe or voyager class shells which also transform and are sold separately as their own figures. Sort of like G1 Thunderwing and the other mega pretenders, but split across two toys that can interact.