Transformers Kingdom Wave 3 Preorders on Amazon and Target

Dr. Gellar v.2 wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Changewinds wrote:Wingfinger definitely looks awesome. I really like the creativity of the fossilizers. As for species, he’s probably a Pterodactyl. Neat that there are some mainline Maximal fossilizers now, so apparently they aren’t all Predacons.

I thought pterodactyls had tails while pteranodons do not. Looks more like a pteranodon, granted the crest isn't that big.

Wingfinger is definitely a pterodactyl (pterodactyl is Latin for 'wing finger', after all), a Pteranodon, and possibly even a female Pteranodon at that (due to the small head crest versus the generally larger crests you see on a typical Pteranodon).

Think of pterodactyl as a common name for all pterosaurs in general. To keep it simple....pterosaurs generally fall into two groups: rhamphorynchoids and pterodactyloids. The rhamphorynchoids are typically the ones with long tails (though not always) and teeth, while most pterodactyloids have short tails, and (in the case of the more advanced\derived species) are toothless.

So far to my knowledge, all Transformer toys\characters with pterosaur alt-modes are pterodactyloids, as pretty much all of them are based on Pteranodon (the exception being Beast Machines Skydive). Although...War for Cybertron Pteraxadon can be made to look much like a rhamphorhynchoid, if the axe handle is pulled out to act as a tail in pterosaur-mode.

But isn't a Pterodactyl also a specific genus with a single species?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pterodactylus

Just saw the stock images for Tracks and I am extremely frustrated.

Because instead of it being an actual improvement over the past figure, it just traded around which aspects were crap; the choices for a CHUG Tracks are: Crappy Flight Mode (2010) and Crappy Needless Faux-parts Robot Mode (2021). This is bullshit, they can do better, they have done better (even w/Generations limits), they should have done better. People are right to complain about that backpack, because Hasbro NEEDLESSLY PUT TWO THIRDS OF HIS CAR MODE ON HIS BACK INSTEAD OF JUST THE TAIL, SO THEY COULD GIVE US THE UGLY CHEST.

I'm writing to Hasbro and telling them to retool this bullshit if possible. Or if it's not, to fob it off as a different character to recoup money and try again. I would rather wait years for another shot at Tracks than get this halfassed trainwreck.

Between this bullshit and SS86 Hot Rod's needless faux parts chest, I think somebody on the design team needs to be demoted to copyboy.

Yeah, I know, I'm full of negativity anymore. I'm stressed, and my patience for A. Hasbro doing a poor job when they could have done a good job, and B. Whingy deluded fans calling things that Hasbro actually did do a good job on poor jobs... has worn thin. I'm also being increasingly anxious about whether Kingdom Roddy will be around Galvatron's height like he should be, or whether he's been ruined by the idiotic decision to try and scale his robot mode to the crappy undersize WFC Optimus.

william-james88 wrote:

Dr. Gellar v.2 wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Changewinds wrote:Wingfinger definitely looks awesome. I really like the creativity of the fossilizers. As for species, he’s probably a Pterodactyl. Neat that there are some mainline Maximal fossilizers now, so apparently they aren’t all Predacons.

I thought pterodactyls had tails while pteranodons do not. Looks more like a pteranodon, granted the crest isn't that big.

Wingfinger is definitely a pterodactyl (pterodactyl is Latin for 'wing finger', after all), a Pteranodon, and possibly even a female Pteranodon at that (due to the small head crest versus the generally larger crests you see on a typical Pteranodon).

Think of pterodactyl as a common name for all pterosaurs in general. To keep it simple....pterosaurs generally fall into two groups: rhamphorynchoids and pterodactyloids. The rhamphorynchoids are typically the ones with long tails (though not always) and teeth, while most pterodactyloids have short tails, and (in the case of the more advanced\derived species) are toothless.

So far to my knowledge, all Transformer toys\characters with pterosaur alt-modes are pterodactyloids, as pretty much all of them are based on Pteranodon (the exception being Beast Machines Skydive). Although...War for Cybertron Pteraxadon can be made to look much like a rhamphorhynchoid, if the axe handle is pulled out to act as a tail in pterosaur-mode.

But isn't a Pterodactyl also a specific genus with a single species?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pterodactylus

Pterodactylus (listed there in the Wikipedia URL) is indeed a genus of pterosaur (with one generally accepted species - Pterodactylus antiquus). However, pterodactyl is not a specific genus...but rather a common name used these days that refers to all pterosaurs (notice pterodactyl is spelled with a lower case p, while Pterodactylus is spelled with an upper case P).

Rtron wrote:

Dr. Gellar v.2 wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Changewinds wrote:Wingfinger definitely looks awesome. I really like the creativity of the fossilizers. As for species, he’s probably a Pterodactyl. Neat that there are some mainline Maximal fossilizers now, so apparently they aren’t all Predacons.

I thought pterodactyls had tails while pteranodons do not. Looks more like a pteranodon, granted the crest isn't that big.

Wingfinger is definitely a pterodactyl (pterodactyl is Latin for 'wing finger', after all), a Pteranodon, and possibly even a female Pteranodon at that (due to the small head crest versus the generally larger crests you see on a typical Pteranodon).

Think of pterodactyl as a common name for all pterosaurs in general. To keep it simple....pterosaurs generally fall into two groups: rhamphorynchoids and pterodactyloids. The rhamphorynchoids are typically the ones with long tails (though not always) and teeth, while most pterodactyloids have short tails, and (in the case of the more advanced\derived species) are toothless.

So far to my knowledge, all Transformer toys\characters with pterosaur alt-modes are pterodactyloids, as pretty much all of them are based on Pteranodon (the exception being Beast Machines Skydive). Although...War for Cybertron Pteraxadon can be made to look much like a rhamphorhynchoid, if the axe handle is pulled out to act as a tail in pterosaur-mode.

Love this detailed alt-mode explanations, thanks

My pleasure...

william-james88 wrote:

Changewinds wrote:Wingfinger definitely looks awesome. I really like the creativity of the fossilizers. As for species, he’s probably a Pterodactyl. Neat that there are some mainline Maximal fossilizers now, so apparently they aren’t all Predacons.

I thought pterodactyls had tails while pteranodons do not. Looks more like a pteranodon, granted the crest isn't that big.

I just meant a Pteradactyl in general, rather than a specific one like QuetzalcoatlUs. Doing a bit more searching, the short crest seems to point to a Pteranodon longiceps female? Except for that odd bone spur. Can’t remember if they said Wingfinger was male or female.

That is not brown. That is the color of charcoal or tar.

Rhinox is supposed to be caramel brown.

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Just saw the stock images for Tracks and I am extremely frustrated.

Because instead of it being an actual improvement over the past figure, it just traded around which aspects were crap; the choices for a CHUG Tracks are: Crappy Flight Mode (2010) and Crappy Needless Faux-parts Robot Mode (2021). This is bullshit, they can do better, they have done better (even w/Generations limits), they should have done better. People are right to complain about that backpack, because Hasbro NEEDLESSLY PUT TWO THIRDS OF HIS CAR MODE ON HIS BACK INSTEAD OF JUST THE TAIL, SO THEY COULD GIVE US THE UGLY CHEST.

I'm writing to Hasbro and telling them to retool this bullshit if possible. Or if it's not, to fob it off as a different character to recoup money and try again. I would rather wait years for another shot at Tracks than get this halfassed trainwreck.

Between this bullshit and SS86 Hot Rod's needless faux parts chest, I think somebody on the design team needs to be demoted to copyboy.

Yeah, I know, I'm full of negativity anymore. I'm stressed, and my patience for A. Hasbro doing a poor job when they could have done a good job, and B. Whingy deluded fans calling things that Hasbro actually did do a good job on poor jobs... has worn thin. I'm also being increasingly anxious about whether Kingdom Roddy will be around Galvatron's height like he should be, or whether he's been ruined by the idiotic decision to try and scale his robot mode to the crappy undersize WFC Optimus.

The WfC trilogy has prioritized cartoon accuracy throughout the lines. I'm not saying it's good or bad, but it's a choice. A lot of the things that fans call good or bad boil down to personal preference.

If Rodimus' height being a quarter inch one way or the other was causing me anxiety, I don't think I'd enjoy collecting toys very much. Hasbro's whims are out of our control, individually if not collectively.

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Just saw the stock images for Tracks and I am extremely frustrated.

Because instead of it being an actual improvement over the past figure, it just traded around which aspects were crap; the choices for a CHUG Tracks are: Crappy Flight Mode (2010) and Crappy Needless Faux-parts Robot Mode (2021). This is bullshit, they can do better, they have done better (even w/Generations limits), they should have done better. People are right to complain about that backpack, because Hasbro NEEDLESSLY PUT TWO THIRDS OF HIS CAR MODE ON HIS BACK INSTEAD OF JUST THE TAIL, SO THEY COULD GIVE US THE UGLY CHEST.

I'm writing to Hasbro and telling them to retool this bullshit if possible. Or if it's not, to fob it off as a different character to recoup money and try again. I would rather wait years for another shot at Tracks than get this halfassed trainwreck.

Between this bullshit and SS86 Hot Rod's needless faux parts chest, I think somebody on the design team needs to be demoted to copyboy.

Yeah, I know, I'm full of negativity anymore. I'm stressed, and my patience for A. Hasbro doing a poor job when they could have done a good job, and B. Whingy deluded fans calling things that Hasbro actually did do a good job on poor jobs... has worn thin. I'm also being increasingly anxious about whether Kingdom Roddy will be around Galvatron's height like he should be, or whether he's been ruined by the idiotic decision to try and scale his robot mode to the crappy undersize WFC Optimus.

I highly doubt that one fan emailing Hasbro about a personal complaint for a toy so far into production will result in them retooling it. Honestly delusional. Also, toy collecting is supposed to be fun, you shouldn't be anxious and "worn thin" about two toys scaling with each other. That's when a hobby becomes an unhealthy obsession.

Sabrblade wrote:

This is the first time I've noticed the little brown flecks across Rhinox's legs and shoulders, that's actually a nice bit of detail, it kind of makes the rhino look like it's been rolling in mud.

Man, everyone has had so much to say today, I thought most people would have gotten most of the talk out of their system a few days ago. That was a lot of reading.

alekese wrote:Having actually kept an eye on some of the more "reputable"/reliable leakers, it lowkey irks me when people out of the loop accuse them of unreliability for not knowing everything in advance. The specific leaker who provided both the info on 2022 tarantulas and now on terrorsaur's description has said on multiple occasions both before and after surprises like this that their primary source of information only has consistent access to mainline/mass retail, with the occasional selects figure. They very specifically do not have reliable info on retailer exclusives and sublines like galactic odyssey or the upcoming golden disc line terrorsaur is part of. In fact, iirc, in the window between the kingdom full mass retail lineup leak and when '22 info started coming in, they specifically brought up the fact that they didn't have access to store exclusives to say not to give up hope on tarantulas/bw inferno/terrorsaur just yet.

This is good to know and probably should have been mentioned sooner (apologies if it has been, I don't remember seeing it before). The thing is, many of us here don't visit other forums and those leakers don't post here so we rely on people like you and Nemesis Primal to share what you know. For us it's second hand information so instead of being "irked" just be patient, set us straight and tell us what you know.

o.supreme wrote:Ok they said 5pm EST(2pm my time). I just hope that special pack is available. That kind of sucks, there never done this before. But I guess free shipping wasn't a big enough draw for premium membership

They've actually been doing this for a while, at least since last Fall/early Winter.

Spider5800 wrote:The robot mode is fine, but his backpack appears to be sticking up WAY over his head. Sort of consistent with his G1 toy, I suppose, but not really with how he looks in other media. It just makes the backpack way more obvious. It looks bad.

This looks bad, I don't like the stack of guns and them being turned like a turret.


But this looks fine to me, though I would like a shot from the back to see how much visible car is on the back.

william-james88 wrote:

jtanimator wrote:Can somebody tell me why hasbro needed to make a massive crowdfunding platform just to back one of the most famous transformers in history for $550, when they just released an electronic Optimus prime for $700?

Easy answer: the electronic optimus prime is a licensed toy not made by hasbro, so they didn't actually spend a thing on it. 0 risk for them.

Should also be pointed out that this is a "team-up" rather than a straight license which is the only way Hasbro will allow an official third party to make a transforming figure at any price. If I remember right the Last time that happened was the Soundwave tablet they made with Xiaomi.

Sabrblade wrote:That is not brown. That is the color of charcoal or tar.

Rhinox is supposed to be caramel brown.

I could have sworn, and maybe I'm remembering this entirely wrong, that someone said we'd be getting a gray Rhinox at retail and a brown one as an exclusive.

This looks bad to me:

Wheeljack isn't a particularly tall figure and he's almost as tall as Teletraan. This just reaffirms my belief that it only scales properly to Core figures.

Anyway, I ordered everything but the Robosen Optimus Prime and the Ark. Ordered SG Blurr and Tricranius off Pulse and the rest off Target for the lower Deluxe MSRP and 5% off (mostly eliminating sales tax). I'll get the Ark off Amazon, I've got about $45 in gift cards that I'll be applying to really drive the price down.

Since all of the Fossilizers get colorful repaints I really hope Wingfinger's repaint is blue since he already has a vague resemblance to IDW Whirl.



Emerje

Looking cool all, at first I thought Rhinox was a re-release from that Generation 30 boi but he's a completely new dude right? The 30's is good but flappy in the joints, I have him.
This Rhinox looks more solid, I will get this one and probz replace the 30 one.

Man, aren't you guys getting sick of the word pre-order?
I just want to buy a Transformer in the store or in one of my favorite online shops in Holland and then have the mailguy deliver the package the day or 2 days after.
And I'm getting huge scalper vibes from over use of the word pre-order.

Anyone member the idiots putting up Giga Watt for 700 dollard on ebay? I trolled a few with showing interest. I relaxingly bought a Gigawatt from my local import shop because he looks like a pirate and he was a bit over the regular deluxe price. No way in Hades I was going to give some silly people 700 dollars. The thing wasn't even released, I hope they feel really stupid. But that's offtopic.

Back ontopic:
I will start collecting Legends class again, that Megatron, Optimus and now Soundwave look great!
We already have excellent Seekers, the trio + Acidstorm, no faux chest nonsense. We already have a Legends Shockwave who is excellent. Minibots are great in the Prime Wars Trilogy.

I'm not really feeling the Bone Bots, I will get one or two just to taste it.

And I will get Iacon, those ship thrusters are edged in my soul man.

Yaaay! Pre-orders are up on Amazon! My Ratchet/Lifeline pre-order is also still up on Amazon, 5 freakin months later.

Anyway, I pre-ordered the Ark from BBTS. Not much else I want. I'll be skipping most of Kingdom & saving a ton of money this year.

Dr. Gellar v.2 wrote: (notice pterodactyl is spelled with a lower case p, while Pterodactylus is spelled with an upper case P).

Did you notice the capital P in Hasbro's product description?

Wingfinger toy converts into a Pterodactyl fossil mode in 14 steps. Features wing and lower jaw articulation optimal for flying and roaring poses.

Oh boy, lots to take in here!

The Ark looks great, but I kinda wish he was a more sort of orange-gold colour rather than the yellow. I know the Ark was painted yellow when it was in motion (for all of one episode) but most of the shots of it throughout the cartoon showed it and its interior as more orangey. Also kinda wish the turrets could swivel and elevate/depress their guns, but that's a nitpick. Mainframe is a cool touch as well.

Wingfinger I can't decide if I love or hate. I loved Paleotrex but was disappointed by Ractonite (who I got in just yesterday), and Wingfinger looks...weird. Like, the beast mode doesn't seem quite right; I feel the wingtip bones/swords/bow halves should be much longer. The robot mode meanwhile, it shifts from looking amazing to terrible depending on the photo. I should love it as I really like weird inhuman TFs but somehow it just isn't doing it for me.

Tracks...oof, Tracks looks rough. Fake chest, hollow back with most of the alt mode being worn as a backpack, yikes. A shame as I was looking forwards to a good Tracks. Car mode is nice I'll give them that.

Rhinox looks objectively worse than the T30 figure. Faked details, weirdly proportioned robot mode and the colour doesn't seem quite right.

Tricranium looks pretty nice. I'm not overly fond of Ractonite as a figure, but the kinda "lava monster" colours really sell it.

Rodimus looks incredible, no complaints there.

Galvatron I like a lot. The shoulders apparently being misassembled is a bit lame, but he still looks to be the best Galvatron we've gotten by a country mile.

Scorponok I'm oddly fond of. He's not perfect (the robot mode is a bit...chunky) but the scorpion mode is so good I can let it slide. Colours aside it looks like real scorpion, and that's amazing.

Green Vertebreak is a pass. Half the appeal of the original figure to me is that she looks like an actual fossil. Doing her in lime green doesn't really work. Now if she were done up more like Skellivore or Tricranium as a sort of glowing radioactive thing, that'd be different.

noctorro wrote:Man, aren't you guys getting sick of the word pre-order?
I just want to buy a Transformer in the store or in one of my favorite online shops in Holland and then have the mailguy deliver the package the day or 2 days after.
And I'm getting huge scalper vibes from over use of the word pre-order.

I could not disagree more. Planned preorder announcements like these are the most reliable way to know that I don't have to worry about fighting off scalpers. The toy lines that really play into that are exclusive to retailers and drop online with no notice.

There are a lot of factors contributing to arbitrage in the secondary market, but pre-orders aren't one of them.

Munkky wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

This is the first time I've noticed the little brown flecks across Rhinox's legs and shoulders, that's actually a nice bit of detail, it kind of makes the rhino look like it's been rolling in mud.

Huh, that is a nice detail, I hadn't noticed it either.

@Sabrblade I guess they went his alt mode colour to make it look more realistic. They could easily redeco later if they wished.

AcademyofDrX wrote:

noctorro wrote:Man, aren't you guys getting sick of the word pre-order?
I just want to buy a Transformer in the store or in one of my favorite online shops in Holland and then have the mailguy deliver the package the day or 2 days after.
And I'm getting huge scalper vibes from over use of the word pre-order.

I could not disagree more. Planned preorder announcements like these are the most reliable way to know that I don't have to worry about fighting off scalpers. The toy lines that really play into that are exclusive to retailers and drop online with no notice.

There are a lot of factors contributing to arbitrage in the secondary market, but pre-orders aren't one of them.

That and depending on where you live, pre-orders maybe the only way you get these guys. My local stores are still sitting on Kingdom wave ones deluxes, no voyagers or leaders, and I haven't seen any Studio Series 86 guys since I bought the only Jazz I could find. I wind up pre-ordering everything I want because otherwise I never know if I'll ever actually see them in stores, or wind up paying scalper prices online (looking at you Amazon with your arbitrary price jumps due to low stock). Otherwise, yeah the use and over hyped focus on "pre-order" sucks, but I can at least guarantee that I'll be able to get what I want without dragging my husband to all the stores.

GeekyGamer Gal wrote:Otherwise, yeah the use and over hyped focus on "pre-order" sucks, but I can at least guarantee that I'll be able to get what I want without dragging my husband to all the stores.

Can you though? I've never had a pre-order canceled with Amazon, but most of my Walmart pre-orders get canceled and maybe a third of my Target ones. Pre-ordering definitely improves my chances, but I would never call it a guarantee. I regret not pre-ordering Cyclonus the first time when I had a chance and with him being packed with Rhinox I hope I'll get a second shot. I wasn't able to get a pre-order for Huffer and haven't seen him in stores yet either, but Arcee sure hasn't been hard to find...

Emerje

Emerje wrote:

GeekyGamer Gal wrote:Otherwise, yeah the use and over hyped focus on "pre-order" sucks, but I can at least guarantee that I'll be able to get what I want without dragging my husband to all the stores.

Can you though? I've never had a pre-order canceled with Amazon, but most of my Walmart pre-orders get canceled and maybe a third of my Target ones. Pre-ordering definitely improves my chances, but I would never call it a guarantee. I regret not pre-ordering Cyclonus the first time when I had a chance and with him being packed with Rhinox I hope I'll get a second shot. I wasn't able to get a pre-order for Huffer and haven't seen him in stores yet either, but Arcee sure hasn't been hard to find...

Emerje

I actually have an extra Huffer from a preorder I forgot to cancel, so if you need him...

Emerje wrote:

GeekyGamer Gal wrote:Otherwise, yeah the use and over hyped focus on "pre-order" sucks, but I can at least guarantee that I'll be able to get what I want without dragging my husband to all the stores.

Can you though? I've never had a pre-order canceled with Amazon, but most of my Walmart pre-orders get canceled and maybe a third of my Target ones. Pre-ordering definitely improves my chances, but I would never call it a guarantee. I regret not pre-ordering Cyclonus the first time when I had a chance and with him being packed with Rhinox I hope I'll get a second shot. I wasn't able to get a pre-order for Huffer and haven't seen him in stores yet either, but Arcee sure hasn't been hard to find...

Emerje

I mainly stick to Pulse or Amazon, since I got burned by both Target and Walmart, and between the two I frequently either get my pre-order early or I start racking up price matched discounts that occasionally get me in trouble because I then loose the free shipping. I also try to pre-order either the day that they open, or the next day just to get into the pool.

AcademyofDrX wrote:

noctorro wrote:Man, aren't you guys getting sick of the word pre-order?
I just want to buy a Transformer in the store or in one of my favorite online shops in Holland and then have the mailguy deliver the package the day or 2 days after.
And I'm getting huge scalper vibes from over use of the word pre-order.

I could not disagree more. Planned preorder announcements like these are the most reliable way to know that I don't have to worry about fighting off scalpers. The toy lines that really play into that are exclusive to retailers and drop online with no notice.

There are a lot of factors contributing to arbitrage in the secondary market, but pre-orders aren't one of them.

Agreed. If not for pre-orders I wouldn't have been able to find most of the Earthrise or any of the Studio'86 or any of Kingdom. The Transformers section in every Target and Walmart within an hour from me have been dry for the last 2 years. I don't even bother checking stores anymore. I just pre-order from Amazon or BBS and then squeal like a schoolgirl when the package I forgot I placed shows up which is usually earlier than estimated. It might not quite be as much fun as bot hunting was but at least I actually get the ones I want.

I see both sides of the preorder issue.
It does feel good to have a figure you want reserved.
Of course recently (seemingly a lot this past fall & winter) there have been a lot of issues.
I’d hope things are improving, but there are still probably no guarantees.
Around my area, it does really seem like distribution has improved.
I get that doesn’t necessarily have a huge impact on preorders...
But I’d like to think everything’s turning a corner, especially thinking back to never seeing any ER wave 2 or 3.
Compared to last November, December, & early ‘21, stock in stores has improved slowly.

I am surprised that Target’s release date for these newer figures is early July, while Amazon’s is early September... Having 2 through Amazon, that does make me a little nervous.
The price difference isn’t too much, so maybe I’ll see them in stores first.

Specifically with the Ark’s appearance; I’m glad they went with a neutral gray for a lot of parts... While I like the idea of those being a light, muted Blue, I don’t think that would’ve looked as good in reality... A gray that’s a bit on the cooler side would’ve been nice, but I’m happy with those colors. Even the Yellow-Orange is nice.
I’m going to agree that Teletraan is going to scale better with Core class figures... But in the grand scheme that doesn’t bother me... In fact, that part may only ever be displayed as Mainframe anyway.

I’m not a BW fan & yet between the G1 figures in this line, the Ark, SS86, & getting the new MP Starscream in a couple months, this is already a phenomenal year for TF.
And with Slag & word of other Dinobots on the horizon... There’s even more to look forward to!!!!

Sabrblade wrote:That is not brown. That is the color of charcoal or tar.

Rhinox is supposed to be caramel brown.

I think it would be prudent to check your display settings/saturation/etc. if the new rhinox is looking black as tar on your screen. While he is not the show accurate caramel color, he is the same light/medium grey with a hint of brown as a real rhinoceros. So far, scorponok and to some extent mainline cheetor are the only nonextinct beast alts to have nonrealistic colors.

Rhinox hands seem really small in proportion to his arms. But the design looks nice.

BBTS has them on pre-order too

Tfsource too, I added Roddy to my stack on there

Oh yeah, Pre-orders up on Kapow Toys, InDemand Toys, Comics and Cocktails and Nerd Toys UK

william-james88 wrote:

This fossilizer toy reminds me of this:


I wonder they took so many creative liberties with Rhinox's head design and left the other characters show accurate.

I member the day when Transformers were in stores. And I remember having pre orders postponed weeks. That's why I don't like it. I agree with other peoples arguments here.
Hell, I might even pre-order that standard infantry from GI Joe Classified because that's sold out before it's even on our local websites.

Still I don't like the whole pre-order culture, I know it's neccesary. I just miss going to normal toystores for the regular waves and going to the import shops for all the other more exclusive and takara stuff. I like shopping and being surprised what to get. And I like seeing all the cool stuff on the shelves.

I went to one of my favorite import shops TF-Robots.nl here in Holland today and seeing all the Kingdom, Siege, Marvel LEgends, Power Rangers, GI Joe Classified, Motu Origins and much more in that store made me smile. 30 minutes and I had to eff off because of the quarantine rules. But it was fun.

Now to find time to watch that Hasbro Pulse youtube 2 hour video

When it comes to physical shops in the UK. It is basically a non-issue now. There is Smyths. Plus larger comic book retailers, such as Forbidden Planet. They get some figures in.

Line wide availability is almost entirely online. My one bugbear continues to be pre-order exclusivity. To retailers that don't exist anywhere else in the world outside of the US, IE Target and Walmart. All that practice does, is perpetuate scalpers.

noctorro wrote:I member the day when Transformers were in stores. And I remember having pre orders postponed weeks. That's why I don't like it. I agree with other peoples arguments here.
Hell, I might even pre-order that standard infantry from GI Joe Classified because that's sold out before it's even on our local websites.

Still I don't like the whole pre-order culture, I know it's neccesary. I just miss going to normal toystores for the regular waves and going to the import shops for all the other more exclusive and takara stuff. I like shopping and being surprised what to get. And I like seeing all the cool stuff on the shelves.

I went to one of my favorite import shops TF-Robots.nl here in Holland today and seeing all the Kingdom, Siege, Marvel LEgends, Power Rangers, GI Joe Classified, Motu Origins and much more in that store made me smile. 30 minutes and I had to eff off because of the quarantine rules. But it was fun.

Now to find time to watch that Hasbro Pulse youtube 2 hour video

Hey, if you've got a good local connect, that's the way to do it. There's a good indie store I could go to, but it's about an hour away. I'll probably hit it up on the regular whenever we get into the herd immunity stage.

AcademyofDrX wrote:

noctorro wrote:I member the day when Transformers were in stores. And I remember having pre orders postponed weeks. That's why I don't like it. I agree with other peoples arguments here.
Hell, I might even pre-order that standard infantry from GI Joe Classified because that's sold out before it's even on our local websites.

Still I don't like the whole pre-order culture, I know it's neccesary. I just miss going to normal toystores for the regular waves and going to the import shops for all the other more exclusive and takara stuff. I like shopping and being surprised what to get. And I like seeing all the cool stuff on the shelves.

I went to one of my favorite import shops TF-Robots.nl here in Holland today and seeing all the Kingdom, Siege, Marvel LEgends, Power Rangers, GI Joe Classified, Motu Origins and much more in that store made me smile. 30 minutes and I had to eff off because of the quarantine rules. But it was fun.

Now to find time to watch that Hasbro Pulse youtube 2 hour video

Hey, if you've got a good local connect, that's the way to do it. There's a good indie store I could go to, but it's about an hour away. I'll probably hit it up on the regular whenever we get into the herd immunity stage.

If that's your victory condition I suspect you'll be preordering for some time to come.

I pre-ordered Scorponok from Pulse and grabbed a Dinobot while I was there for the free shipping. Never used them before, anyone know if the Dinobot will ship separately since it's already available, or if they'll wait until Scorponok is ready and ship them together? Kind of hoping for the former, but my order details don't reveal anything.

Spider5800 wrote:I pre-ordered Scorponok from Pulse and grabbed a Dinobot while I was there for the free shipping. Never used them before, anyone know if the Dinobot will ship separately since it's already available, or if they'll wait until Scorponok is ready and ship them together? Kind of hoping for the former, but my order details don't reveal anything.

Pulse ships as available

aronjlove wrote:

Spider5800 wrote:I pre-ordered Scorponok from Pulse and grabbed a Dinobot while I was there for the free shipping. Never used them before, anyone know if the Dinobot will ship separately since it's already available, or if they'll wait until Scorponok is ready and ship them together? Kind of hoping for the former, but my order details don't reveal anything.

Pulse ships as available

Sweet. Have yet to see Dinobot in my area, so this is as good a time as any to get him.

Still need a Netflix Cheetor and possibly an Airrazor at some point, and then I'm basically done until wave 4 and/or the various other store exclusives become available. Hopefully the rumored Terrorsaur and Tigatron are amazing.

Probably going to have to wait until Emgo gets a galvatron to review before seeing someone try to get a gun mode out of it. Kremzeek reviews suggests rotating the shoulders to make them not look a mess but then the pins show.

william-james88 wrote:

Dr. Gellar v.2 wrote: (notice pterodactyl is spelled with a lower case p, while Pterodactylus is spelled with an upper case P).

Did you notice the capital P in Hasbro's product description?

Wingfinger toy converts into a Pterodactyl fossil mode in 14 steps. Features wing and lower jaw articulation optimal for flying and roaring poses.

...and Hasbro is wrong to do that. In this case, capitalizing the P in pterodactyl is like capitalizing the R in rhino (which they correctly did not do for Rhinox), or the S in scorpion (which they correctly did not do for Scorponok). You don't capitalize common names.

Now, if they would have said "Wingfinger toy converts into a Pteranodon fossil mode in 14 steps", it would be correct to capitalize the P, as Pteranodon is a specific name of a specific type of pterosaur or pterodactyl.

Since you bring up the Hasbro product description for Wingfinger, I decided to check out what they did for Tricranius:

"Tricranius Fossilizer figure converts to Triceratops fossil mode in 16 steps"

This time, they got it right.

Dr. Gellar v.2 wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Dr. Gellar v.2 wrote: (notice pterodactyl is spelled with a lower case p, while Pterodactylus is spelled with an upper case P).

Did you notice the capital P in Hasbro's product description?

Wingfinger toy converts into a Pterodactyl fossil mode in 14 steps. Features wing and lower jaw articulation optimal for flying and roaring poses.

...and Hasbro is wrong to do that. In this case, capitalizing the P in pterodactyl is like capitalizing the R in rhino (which they correctly did not do for Rhinox), or the S in scorpion (which they correctly did not do for Scorponok). You don't capitalize common names.

Now, if they would have said "Wingfinger toy converts into a Pteranodon fossil mode in 14 steps", it would be correct to capitalize the P, as Pteranodon is a specific name of a specific type of pterosaur or pterodactyl.

Since you bring up the Hasbro product description for Wingfinger, I decided to check out what they did for Tricranius:

"Tricranius Fossilizer figure converts to Triceratops fossil mode in 16 steps"

This time, they got it right.

In pop culture "pterodactyl" (with small "p") is used as a common name for any type of toothless short-tailed flying reptile, I'm guessing derived from "Pterodactyloid" (vs. Ramphorynchoid) or Pterodactylus itself. And you know, this irks me to no end because more often than not it's a Pteranodon that's featured with the crest, while Pterodactylus didn't have one.

Still, credit for the Wingfinger name, as that's the literal translation.

Dr. Gellar v.2 wrote:
This time, they got it right.

Or maybe they always got it right and you are wrong. I'm basing this off the official info here, and it refers to a species. So that's that.

william-james88 wrote:

Dr. Gellar v.2 wrote:
This time, they got it right.

Or maybe they always got it right and you are wrong. I'm basing this off the official info here, and it refers to a species. So that's that.

Yeeeeeaaah...I'm afraid not.

But go ahead, base it off of what you you want. I keep telling you...there is no species of pterosaur known to science called Pterodactyl! There is Pterodactylus, which this new toy\character Wingfinger definitely is not. The term pterodactyl and the pterosaur Pterodactylus are not one and the same.

You think Hasbro always gets it right?!? OK.....



Do you think this (the "Spinosaurus" drone from PCC Grimstone) is actually a Spinosaurus too, just because Hasbro tells you so??

Dr. Gellar v.2 wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Dr. Gellar v.2 wrote:
This time, they got it right.

Or maybe they always got it right and you are wrong. I'm basing this off the official info here, and it refers to a species. So that's that.

Yeeeeeaaah...I'm afraid not.

But go ahead, base it off of what you you want. I keep telling you...there is no species of pterosaur known to science called Pterodactyl! There is Pterodactylus, which this new toy\character Wingfinger definitely is not. The term pterodactyl and the pterosaur Pterodactylus are not one and the same.

You think Hasbro always gets it right?!? OK.....



Do you think this (the "Spinosaurus" drone from PCC Grimstone) is actually a Spinosaurus too, just because Hasbro tells you so??

Let's just all take two steps back and calm down. It's a single word in a single product listing, fairly insignifigant in the grand scheme of things. Not something worth getting riled up over.

That being said, the description itself is on shaky ground, and hasbro's track record for scientific accuracy isn't flawless, even in kingdom. The official product description refers to vertebreak as a raptor, even though it is distinctly and iirc by hasbro's admission a Dracorex, a pachycephalosaurid. However, while "Pterodactyl" isn't a specific species or a proper genus, it is a fairly widespread colloquialism for pterosaurs in general. It'd be like insisting that a lion is a Cat. The statement itself isn't wrong, just nonspecific and misformatted, with a non-genus miscapitalized.

It doesn't help that pop cultural osmosis is super reductivist when it comes to dinosaur taxonomy. Unless one specifically goes through a hardcore dinosaur phase, many people are can really only list off the household names: T. rex, velociraptor, triceratops, stegosaurus, brontosaurus and pterodactyl, and anything that matches those silhouettes is close enough to just get filed there. What really doesn't help is that originally, when the field was first starting out, the same approach was used scientifically. If it was a carnivore, it was megalosaurus. Sauropod? Brontosaurus. Pterosaur? Even if they were wildly different from each other, they were all Pterodactylus. Pteranodon itself was once part of "Pterodactylus". It took and still takes a lot of taxonomic reform and bookkeeping for the ongoing process to sort everything out, and even then, that info doesn't necessarily become general public knowledge. Most dino info only breaks out to mainstream in a timely manner when it has sensationalist headline potential, such as the feather controversy, or giganotosaurus and spinosaurus being bigger than the household name T. rex.

All this is to say, wingfinger's description is scientifically outdated, pedantically incorrect, but culturally recognizable to the layperson in the target audience, the latter of which is all that really matters to a toy company.

As a child growing up in the 80's I very much wanted to be a Paleontologist, even considered going to BYU at one point ( I'm not LDS,FYI,but I was told you don't have to be to attend)...but I digress. Whenever it comes to paleontological "facts" I always take it with va grain of salt as what is believed to be truth is constantly changing. Besides, those that claim to know so much about species extinct for millions of years can't possibly comprehend how long a period of time that is.

Basically, the science is not as exact as proponents often claim. But for a line of toys based on fictional alien-robots,I'm pretty sure scientific accuracy is not necessary.

Yeah. Suspend the disbelief peeps. What are you, the Thermians?

Check me on this: The Kingdom Rhinox is just a re-release of "Thrilling 30s" Rhinox, isn't it? I mean, it doesn't even look like they remolded anything. As I recall, it was a shelf-warmer even back then. Will being folded in with the BeastWar related figures in the Kingdom line give it any more appeal?

DeathReviews wrote:Check me on this: The Kingdom Rhinox is just a re-release of "Thrilling 30s" Rhinox, isn't it? I mean, it doesn't even look like they remolded anything. As I recall, it was a shelf-warmer even back then. Will being folded in with the BeastWar related figures in the Kingdom line give it any more appeal?

I mean... They didn't retool anything because they're completely different figures? Kingdom's got a fake chest piece, non-spinning guns, and more articulation, and is very likely to be smaller than T30 just based on the current voyager sizes

Um... what? They are very similar (because they're the same character) but id recommend looking at a picture of the two side by side. The differences are pretty clear, kingdom rhinox is by no means a re-release or retooling

Sentinel_Primal wrote:

DeathReviews wrote:Check me on this: The Kingdom Rhinox is just a re-release of "Thrilling 30s" Rhinox, isn't it? I mean, it doesn't even look like they remolded anything. As I recall, it was a shelf-warmer even back then. Will being folded in with the BeastWar related figures in the Kingdom line give it any more appeal?

I mean... They didn't retool anything because they're completely different figures? Kingdom's got a fake chest piece, non-spinning guns, and more articulation, and is very likely to be smaller than T30 just based on the current voyager sizes

They do look very similar but ultimately Kingdom Rhinox is all new. It's not uncommon for toys to take engineering cues from previous releases, compare Studio Series Blurr with Titans Return for instance.

Yes, I'm guilty of originally thinking that...

Wow....it had been so long since I looked at T30 Rhinox,I forgot he was a Voyager class. I was going to question whomever said Kingdom Rhinox would be smaller than T30 (because I erroneously thought he was a deluxe (, but it all makes sense now.

Also I know the alt modes are going for more realistic look, but the bot modes are supposed to be animation accurate. Am I incorrect in thinking his robot head looks a bit more like IDW than BW ?

o.supreme wrote:Am I incorrect in thinking his robot head looks a bit more like IDW than BW ?

Unfortunately, you appear to be correct. So much for show accuracy with this line...

Actually i believe the artists probably based the art off the upcoming toy, rather then the other way around.