Transformers Generations Selects Super Megatron Fully Revealed

It kinda looks like this toy uses elements from both Super and Ultra Megatron instead of just the former.

That's not bad. I wish it was leaferclass, and to me the jet mode is the weaker, but I like the colors and he seems to be well-proportioned. That cannon is a bit of overkill, but at least we got a figure. So overall this is positive, but I'm not blown away. Just like I wasn't with Star Convoy.

Lower body, plus the arms minus the elbow joints.

Sabrblade wrote:It kinda looks like this toy uses elements from both Super and Ultra Megatron instead of just the former.

Indeed, the main boy is Super, but the wings and treads are Ultra.

Also, the accompanying manga reveals that this toy's third mode is Ultra Tank Mode!

I...kinda like it. I'd have to head canon him, since I've no interest in Japanese Continuity other than just watching it from time to time. Decisions, decisions.

Fires_Of_Inferno wrote:

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Whatchu talkin' 'bout? We were shown a year ago that this was going to be a TR Galvatron retool.

Definitely planning to grab this guy. Though, now I have to decide whether he'll replace the Furai IDW Megatron in my Lost Light display, or if he'll serve as Pre-War Megatron in my standard display...

that is an awesome looking Super Megatron, and the tank mode addition is really cool too. Also sort of feels like a nice Marauder Megatron from Animated vibe with the triple changing aspect, which is fitting since that Megatron drew inspiration from Super Megatron.

I intend to pick him up

Okay, so, the manga apparently seems to be hinting that this toy can also change into Ultra Megatron, with its forehead crest possibly able to switch around, its cannon able to split open, and maybe something to give the chest its little gray piece on its right pectoral.

Sabrblade wrote:Okay, so, the manga apparently seems to be hinting that this toy can also change into Ultra Megatron, with its forehead crest possibly able to switch around, its cannon able to split open, and maybe something to give the chest its little gray piece on its right pectoral.

Looking at the cannon, it definitely has the hinges to open up into that cannon. And with that chest cavity that Galvatron had, I'm sure they could hide a secondary crest in there with the regular head

Sabrblade wrote:Okay, so, the manga apparently seems to be hinting that this toy can also change into Ultra Megatron, with its forehead crest possibly able to switch around, its cannon able to split open, and maybe something to give the chest its little gray piece on its right pectoral.

The cannon splits and reverses direction, like Razorclaw's gun into Predaking's.

I like it. The colors are better than some of the other more recent Megatron's and that gun is such overkill that it fits the Japanese Super Megatron to and outsider perfectly. Like if someone not in the fandom saw it and you just said "Oh, that's the Japanese Super Megatron." the person would just nod like of course it is.

Sabrblade wrote:Okay, so, the manga apparently seems to be hinting that this toy can also change into Ultra Megatron, with its forehead crest possibly able to switch around, its cannon able to split open, and maybe something to give the chest its little gray piece on its right pectoral.

His chest changed too, can't quite tell if the figure can do that too. Looking closely at the figure's head it looks more like the entire face spins around, not just the forehead crest.



Emerje

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:You mean how headmasters quickly killed Prime off again just to sell Fortress Maximus as the new Autobot leader

Yes. How it quickly killed him off again in a lame way because he didn't have a toy out anymore. And also how it then invalidated that sacrifice a scant few episodes later by blowing up Cybertron.

The Headmasters is full of stupid.

Think of it this way, Many say how the Takara Series ignored The Rebirth alone. But essentially by killing off Prime immediately, they are undoing Return of Optimus Prime too. Perhaps because the Home Fanbase didn't want him back, following The Movie?

Well see, that's the root of the problem: At the time of The Headmasters, Japan still hadn't got the movie. The Japanese fanbase was missing that major piece of lore and emotional impact.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:To look at the Takara Series in a broader sense, other than some early visual cameos in the opening episodes, they largely pushed the new characters throughout. You could dismiss that cynically as "New Toys", but look at the changing cast from one series to the next.

That is "New Toys", especially with how the Dinobots are treated and the lackluster mutual defeat of Soundwave and Billy Blaster to bring in their new toys.
But there's a difference between characters falling out of prominence in favor of a new focus cast (this is seen even in Seasons 1-3), and a beloved character who had been brought back with much fanfare and fuss dying in a sacrifice with minimal fanfare - and then that sacrifice being invalidated a scant few episodes later.

And I mean it about The Headmasters being full of stupid. There's that trainwreck of events, there's the execution of the Power Pack Matrix's renewal, there's the flipflop over whether Rodimus or Fortress is the younger leader, there's the kerfuffle of Scorponok's Japanese names (where, in an obvious clash of someone who wanted to use the "Scorponok" name and someone who wanted to have "Zarak" and "Megazarak" to parallel "Fortress" and "Fortress Maximus", the "Megazarak" got used for the big scorpoion-bot transtector but the guy who formed the head and isn't a scorpion got named "Scorponok"), there's the Autobot Headmasters making no effort to break the Decepticons Headmasters' telepathic grip on the energy satellite before resorting to blowing it up, there's the Autobots' constant bungling in "The Dormant Volcano Mysteriously Erupts" (extra-painful compared to the stellar disaster relief seen in Season 1)... It has a better narrative justification for Headmasters themselves than the US continuities, but the actual show is very painful. (Of course, The Rebirth is a mess too...)

The overall competence of the Masterforce Autobots is a very pleasant contrast.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Unlike Takara,

Pretty sure you mean Hasbro

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:there wasn't really any knee-jerk backpeddling. No documented outcry which lead to former characters returning?

Because Japan hadn't gotten the movie yet. See also Wheeljack running around alive when he shouldn't be.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:It is strange that for a series that is literally about change,

Okay, I am going to stop you right there. It is a series about metal people (who are largely divided into two warring factions, one imperialist and one anti-imperialist) from space who can change their physical forms. There is a difference between having physical change as an essential gimmick, and being about change in status quo.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:how many seem resistant to the very concept.

There's a difference between concept and execution. And The Headmasters' execution of the changing of the guard... is about as smooth as sandpaper and as graceful as the Micro Change Magnum Robo in robot mode.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:You mean how headmasters quickly killed Prime off again just to sell Fortress Maximus as the new Autobot leader... Then in Masterforce brought in God Ginrai as bot leader etc etc.

Ginrai was not Prime though. Visually similar, in the way others have since been EG Primal, Lio Convoy, Car Robots Prime etc but it wasn't the same character. Nor intended to be.

No, but his toy sure was, which put Takara in an awkward position as to what to do with it in the fiction after their having lackadasically killed Optimus back off instead of writing him out nonlethally.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I always thought The Return of Optimus Prime should have been the onscreen debut of Powermaster Prime, the only original Prime design I liked, but for whatever reason they didn't make it so.

It's very simple: "The Return of Optimus Prime" was in 1987, and PMOP didn't exist until 1988.

Sentinel_Primal wrote:Speaking of Animated, what are the chances of us getting a Slipstream from ER Starscream? Given her prominence (I assume, haven't watched it yet) in Cyberverse, I think she might make the jump to Generations, but I can't see her getting a retail release until maybe after the third part of WFC. I think it might be kind of fun to see her in SELECTS though

I'd personally rather have her from the SIEGE mold.

The reds look nice and bright but they haven't done enough with the shape of the legs (and other parts). Spaceship doesn't quite look as arse as the none energon cybertronian spaceship megatrons but I think for scale/decent looking alt I'd be happier to save money and use the animated leader megatron to represent him alongside star convoy. Maybe a retool of galv will get used again for energon megs somewhere down the line.

Super Megs looks good, and I'm intrigued to see the change to Ultra Megatron, a decent way to represent both forms without releasing another very similar figure.

Though now that we've seen Super Megs, and a possible release of the BWII Seacons... Will this be the end of this particular storyline? Where could Takara go from here

@Zelda it should be pointed out though that the Japanese knew Optimus was dead as they had Transformers 2010 which included Dark Awakening. So I think even if they had the movie... They'd still killed him off in Headmasters, just the same. Part of that may lie on cultural differences, after all Anime at the time had no problems in killing off characters with little fanfare, heck headmasters debuted the year after Zeta Gundam which is where the director cemented his nickname of Kill'em all Tomino.

I also want to say characters were killed off in the Kamen Rider series and Super Sentai shows but having not seen them I can't be sure if I'm going off hear'say or not.

ZeroWolf wrote:Super Megs looks good, and I'm intrigued to see the change to Ultra Megatron, a decent way to represent both forms without releasing another very similar figure.

Though now that we've seen Super Megs, and a possible release of the BWII Seacons... Will this be the end of this particular storyline? Where could Takara go from here

I'd say it's entirely dependent on which figures Takara does after the Seacons. It could be like Legends where every figure gets added to the storyline. Personally I'm hoping that they keep going to "G1.5" with Thunderclash and the Turbomasters, and Stalker and the Predators

TR Galvatron was the very worst of all TR figures (my opinion, please dont tell me now wrong I am), so that automatically makes this figure full of fail. Kinda sucks as I like the general looks, but a bad mold is a bad mold, and you can't save it with a face lift.

ZeroWolf wrote:@Zelda it should be pointed out though that the Japanese knew Optimus was dead as they had Transformers 2010 which included Dark Awakening.

Here's the thing: There is a huge difference in impact between knowing from Season 3 that Optimus was dead, and actually seeing his death scene from the movie. That is what I'm getting at.

ZeroWolf wrote:So I think even if they had the movie... They'd still killed him off in Headmasters, just the same.

Not necessarily. And it doesn't make the execution any less stupid, especially with the sacrifice being invalidated a scant few episodes later.

ZeroWolf wrote:Part of that may lie on cultural differences, after all Anime at the time had no problems in killing off characters with little fanfare, heck headmasters debuted the year after Zeta Gundam which is where the director cemented his nickname of Kill'em all Tomino.

I also want to say characters were killed off in the Kamen Rider series and Super Sentai shows but having not seen them I can't be sure if I'm going off hear'say or not.

Those deaths are still generally written for genuine emotional and story impact, even if that impact is just showing "This is a serious war". Optimus' death in "Birth of the Fantastic Double Prime" is blatant "You don't have a toy in stores anymore, so back out of the show with you kthxdie". It's wasteful writing, and it's a wasted death.

They should have either just found an excuse to have him leave like they did with Rodimus, or if they were going to be that set on killing him back off... instead of having him sacrifice himself to save Cybertron only for that to be invalidated shortly after by Scorpnok blowing up the planet, saved his death for that episode and had him die in a heroic (though probably doomed) struggle to thwart the destruction. That would have been a much better way to do it.

Frankly, I think both "The Trainwreck Rebirth" and The Headmasters missed a narrative opportunity by not doing playing with the story potential of Hot Rod and the resurrected Optimus sharing the burdens of command... Anyway..

Back on the subject of Selects: I can think of some places Takara can go still. They could do a G2 Volcanicus set as part of expanding on the G2 branch of the storyline. They could do Galvatron II. They could turn TR Wheelie into Dion. They could do something with Overcharge.

Ironhidensh wrote:TR Galvatron was the very worst of all TR figures (my opinion, please dont tell me now wrong I am), so that automatically makes this figure full of fail. Kinda sucks as I like the general looks, but a bad mold is a bad mold, and you can't save it with a face lift.

I know the crown mechanism wasn't to everyone's tastes B T what did you feel was off about the rest of it?

@Zelda I see, but don't necessarily agree, best bet would be to ask the Japanese fans what they thought about it. Afterall our perceptions are coloured by the order of things we watched, then filtered through our likes and tolerances. I didn't think his death was that much of a waste, otherwise you could argue that star wars episodes 4 - 6 are pointless with the New Republic getting offed in Episode 7

Ironhidensh wrote:TR Galvatron was the very worst of all TR figures (my opinion, please dont tell me now wrong I am), so that automatically makes this figure full of fail. Kinda sucks as I like the general looks, but a bad mold is a bad mold, and you can't save it with a face lift.

It's mostly just the legs (and parts of the arms) that are left, did you really hate his legs that much?

It does look to be a ridiculously simple figure even for a $55 Triple (quadruple?) changer, though.

Emerje

On topic, thinking of BW Second and its weird mish-mash of lines, is Megastorm a possibility for ‘Titan Class’ Selects? It wouldn’t take much to retool Generations Trypticon, after all.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:On topic, thinking of BW Second and its weird mish-mash of lines, is Megastorm a possibility for ‘Titan Class’ Selects? It wouldn’t take much to retool Generations Trypticon, after all.

I think Takara might be a bit skittish on that after what happened with Grand. Probably best to hedge bets on "No redecos of titan class" until something changes.

To be fair, Trypticon generally retails as the cheapest of the Titan Class now. So if they didn't Overcharge for him ala Masterpiece, I don't think they would have the same push back as with Grand. The pricing of which was a bad idea on their part to begin with.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:To be fair, Trypticon generally retails as the cheapest of the Titan Class now. So if they didn't Overcharge for him ala Masterpiece, I don't think they would have the same push back as with Grand. The pricing of which was a bad idea on their part to begin with.

You're expecting them to take that into consideration Takara would retail him for £200 and you know it

Indeed. They really don't think practically or logically when it comes to pricing the line as a whole. Not every fan cares about every character, therefore not every figure is worth a set value.
EG. I like the Four default City Bots. I had no interest at all in any of the redecos.

Grand was never going to sell under those conditions. He isn't popular enough No Matter The Cost ala MP-44 or had arbitrary goal posts, that were "moved" when genuine competition presented itself ala HasLab Unicron.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Indeed. They really don't think practically or logically when it comes to pricing the line as a whole. Not every fan cares about every character, therefore not every figure is worth a set value.
EG. I like the Four default City Bots. I had no interest at all in any of the redecos.

Grand was never going to sell under those conditions. He isn't popular enough No Matter The Cost ala MP-44 or had arbitrary goal posts, that were "moved" when genuine competition presented itself ala HasLab Unicron.

Did I read that the variance in Japanese Transformers prices from Takara coming down to part count / material involved rather than some arbitrary demand consideration?

Anyone?

I've got to say that from the online magna, I love the frame with King Poseidon sitting there with all 4 limbs in gun mode. Defnintely going to be doing that once I have the seacons in hand.

Hmm. Something looks kinda off about him proportionally. But I do like him- also he doesn't seem to be a Headmaster anymore, and considering that was the greatest flaw with TR Galvatron, I'd say that's an improvement.

Now, show us Armada Prime.

Black Hat wrote:Hmm. Something looks kinda off about him proportionally. But I do like him- also he doesn't seem to be a Headmaster anymore, and considering that was the greatest flaw with TR Galvatron, I'd say that's an improvement.

Now, show us Armada Prime.

We'll get Masterpiece Raiden before him

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:there's the kerfuffle of Scorponok's Japanese names (where, in an obvious clash of someone who wanted to use the "Scorponok" name and someone who wanted to have "Zarak" and "Megazarak" to parallel "Fortress" and "Fortress Maximus", the "Megazarak" got used for the big scorpoion-bot transtector but the guy who formed the head and isn't a scorpion got named "Scorponok"),

You're pointing fingers at the wrong culprits with this one. The toys had the same issue with the names, so Takara is to blame for this one, not Toei for simply having to stick with what was mandated by the toys in order to advertise said toys. Blame the toys, not the show.

I like him, even if obviously a year of mild hype will always make things a bit of a letdown....is what I would say if not the hint that he's a triple changer! For one thing I'm a sucker for triple-changers. Yes his original mold was one but only barely and was expecting this retool to drop the third mode only to find out it apparently can turn into Ultra Megatron and has the tank mode or apparently might, according to the manga.

Also TR Galvatron is a decent Generations figure. People need to stop whining about it. Its a perfectly fine mold marred by pretty bad implementation of the early waves of Titan Master gimmicks.

Super Megatron is looking pretty good. Not perfect, but pretty good overall. I'm curious how they handled his massive cheek guards, as his chinline is obscured and it looks like they just molded part of it on his chest. It will be interesting to see how/if they found a balance between accuracy and, you know, allowing his head to move.

Super Megs looks awesome. I liked the TR Galvy mold and thought it was fun, especially the Arwing mode. The only thing I didn't like was the flip up mask, but that's gone now.

I lost my sub to this thread and only skimmed it after the news post, but do we know if Super Megatron is going be released via HasbroPulse here in the states?

Btw I love how mental this design is once you get past the initial 'core' Megatron elements of the design. Spiky winged shoulders with missile launchers! A spaceship mode that make no attempt to be serious or logical and just look like a flying gun. An equally mental tank mode.

If not for the rather tame colors of the design this thing could be a Unicron Trilogy-era Megatron if his colors were wilder.

Gotta admit, this Megs is sexy as F.

Will this be a Takara exclusive or will it find itself at Toys R Us and such at some point?

The only thing I truly find crap with this figure is they didn't bother fixing the hollow forearms of the Galvatron mold but that was to be expected.

-Kanrabat- wrote:Will this be a Takara exclusive or will it find itself at Toys R Us and such at some point?

Hasbro had no hand in this figure, just like Star Convoy and the Seacons.

Looks nifty, but I'm still over Super Megatron. Still an excellent choice for Selects, though.

I dunno if the TR Galvy mould is still bad after so many changes. The head is different - without the crown mechanic it seems to functions like a normal head now. His gigantic canon is now exactly the right size for the character and doesn't hinder the articulation in that arm. The treads on the arms are gone, so articulation isn't hindered there either. The elbow joints are still kind of awkward looking, but ... it looks like they saved the mould to me.

On the subject of Convoy's re-death ... I'm a cynical guy when it comes to these things. I think they killed off all the characters who didn't have toys anymore to push new product. In the end it still is a half hour toy commercial, even if I like the half hour toy commercial. Although I have not seen Headmasters, so I don't know how much is actually artistically valid. It may very well be a super fantastic show with excellent writing and well-thought out character arcs. I legit can't say.

Well tbh I'm just glad this design finally exist in toy form even if it took decades.

Sabrblade wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:Will this be a Takara exclusive or will it find itself at Toys R Us and such at some point?

Hasbro had no hand in this figure, just like Star Convoy and the Seacons.

Erh.....
Look like it's going to be a pass.
I'm not feeling paying 100$+ for a standard Voyager.

Not bad, but still an easy pass.

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:Will this be a Takara exclusive or will it find itself at Toys R Us and such at some point?

Hasbro had no hand in this figure, just like Star Convoy and the Seacons.

Erh.....
Look like it's going to be a pass.
I'm not feeling paying 100$+ for a standard Voyager.

Out of curiosity, wouldn't he retail the same as Turtler? How much would he cost you?

Btw anyone else think the torso transform when he become Ultra Megatron? Assuming the manga is accurate to the toy:

https://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/images2/e/ec/SuperAndUltraMegatron.jpg
The 'Ultra' form has an assymetrical chest but the image we've seen of the robot mode has a symmetrical one.

So far the comics have been accurate to the toys, so he might have another chest hidden in there. That panel also shows his head beign a bit different too. And the toy has something weird going on there too.

Is it weird I'd want to buy an oversized KO just to display it in the very-likely-to-exist Ultra Megatron mode?

ZeroWolf wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:Will this be a Takara exclusive or will it find itself at Toys R Us and such at some point?

Hasbro had no hand in this figure, just like Star Convoy and the Seacons.

Erh.....
Look like it's going to be a pass.
I'm not feeling paying 100$+ for a standard Voyager.

Out of curiosity, wouldn't he retail the same as Turtler? How much would he cost you?

In an ideal world, it would be 6000 yen plus 1500 yen of SAL shipping, no customs because Mandarake magic. Total: around 99$CAN or 79$US.
Already a bust.

Because of the COVID-19 sh!tshow, SAL is no longer available at Mandarake. Only EMS.
So that would be 6000 yen plus 3000 yen of EMS shipping. Maybe 4500 yen. So, over 118$CAN or over 83$US.

And if I'd buy it from BBTS, it would most likely be 60$US plus 30$US shipping, plus customs fee that would be 15% taxes plus 10$CAN of "handling fees" meaning a huge NOPE total.

So, yeah. Only a miracle would allow me to get this very nice but way too pricey figure.

Sabrblade wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:Will this be a Takara exclusive or will it find itself at Toys R Us and such at some point?

Hasbro had no hand in this figure, just like Star Convoy and the Seacons.

Not according to Takara Tomy who had a big sign up at Wonder Festival stating they're a joint project with Hasbro.



But Hasbro only sells Selects online, not in stores (unless I'm forgetting a weird Canadian release which wouldn't surprise me). I'm positive Hasbro'll have Megatron as well since he's a Selects figures.

Emerje

Emerje wrote:But Hasbro only sells Selects online, not in stores (unless I'm forgetting a weird Canadian release which wouldn't surprise me). I'm positive Hasbro'll have Megatron as well since he's a Selects figures.

Emerje

Many Select figures are on sale at Canadian Toys R Us. But not all and the selection is pretty random. Only deluxes so far.