Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Battle Core Optimus is out at North American retail
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Posted by Stuartmaximus on October 10th, 2015 @ 3:17pm CDT
william-james88 wrote:Madeus Prime wrote:Terribull - Seems pointless without a compatible transtector/body...
Nightbeat - Seems pointless without a compatible transtector/body...
Crashbash - Seems pointless without a compatible transtector/body...
Loudmouth - Seems pointless without a compatible transtector/body...
Firstly, come on Madeus Prime, you are a seibertron veteran, I am surprised you chose this thread to write your remarks when we have a whole thread dedicated to Titans Return. It's best we continue ths discussion there so that those who do follow it can get your insight.
Secondly, I like the idea of heads sold individually since its a cheap option for kids to switch things around. I see this no different on a playability level for a new audience as the idea of releasing individual limbs instead of box sets for all combiners. Like that you can play the switch game and stay on a budget. And also, it really helps give you a spare head to the kids who lose though. Anyone collecting G1 toys knows how terribly rare the headmaster heads are (sine kids kept losing them) and I myself wish Hasbro would just rerelease a whole pack of substitute G1 heads so I wouldnt have to spend 50$ each time I want to complete a headmaster. Also, part of the transfomrers governing group at Hasbro constantly rejected the idea of bringing headmasters back because of the lost heads and the complaints that would ensue from parents. I believe the titan master class is what we have to thank for, for this project to actually come to fruition.
Aren't we getting Powermasters & Targetmasters too? how about spare ones of those?
Posted by william-james88 on October 10th, 2015 @ 3:45pm CDT
Stuartmaximus wrote:Aren't we getting Powermasters & Targetmasters too? how about spare ones of those?
Feel free to ask your questions in the correct thread: http://www.seibertron.com/energonpub/transformers-titan-wars-news-and-rumors-official-topic-t104788.php
Posted by Optimum Supreme on October 10th, 2015 @ 3:45pm CDT
william-james88 wrote:Saskatoon, Saskatchewan (you might laugh at the name but that was by far the easiest capital to remember back in canadian grade school).
To me Saskatoon will always be remembered as the place with the ridiculous name where Bret Hart defeated Ric Flair for the WWF belt on a house show.
Posted by william-james88 on October 10th, 2015 @ 3:46pm CDT
Optimum Supreme wrote:william-james88 wrote:Saskatoon, Saskatchewan (you might laugh at the name but that was by far the easiest capital to remember back in canadian grade school).
To me Saskatoon will always be remembered as the place with the ridiculous name where Bret Hart defeated Ric Flair for the WWF belt on a house show.
Oh man! And I am from Montreal, the place where Bret Hart lost his title and left the WWF!
Posted by Randomhero on October 10th, 2015 @ 4:28pm CDT
I really recommend getting this guy. He has all the pros and none of the cons that motor master and the first Optimus has. Proper ratchets in the legs, good connections for the arms in combiner mode and blackjack/rodimus fit in the chest without falling out. Last one might be just mine but I say he's a must have
Posted by ThunderThruster on October 10th, 2015 @ 4:48pm CDT
Hellscream9999 wrote:Madeus Prime wrote:Terribull - Seems pointless without a compatible transtector/body...
Nightbeat - Seems pointless without a compatible transtector/body...
Crashbash - Seems pointless without a compatible transtector/body...
Loudmouth - Seems pointless without a compatible transtector/body...
They help 'fill out' the base mode, I like them, I'm getting the overkill (crashbash, right?) to replace skullcrunchers weird face, and really, its a nice ability: find a head you like, stick it on the body you like, G1 be d@mned, I look forward to seeing who else they release like this.
(and it's thought - on here - that their bodies will be released at a later date with different heads, so you can choose which you like best)
I think Crashbash is more analogous to Sqeezeplay's partner Lokos, depsite the Overkill vibe from his accessory vehicle.
Posted by griftimus prime on October 10th, 2015 @ 5:04pm CDT
Posted by Splatterhouse on October 10th, 2015 @ 5:24pm CDT
Posted by Sabrblade on October 10th, 2015 @ 7:14pm CDT
1. Beast Wars Neo Magmasaur (Magmatron's combined Tri-Fuzor beast mode)
2. Car Robots Devil Saurer (RiD Galvatron's griffin mode)
Posted by Emerje on October 10th, 2015 @ 8:57pm CDT
Sabrblade wrote:On the subject of the CW Sky Lynx mold and the old discussion of what the mold could be redecoed/remolded into being, I've recently thought up two more ideas in addition to the suggestions of DOTM Hatchet and the Giant Purple Griffin.
I'll give you credit for creativity, but the difference is that the previous ideas didn't have humanoid robot modes just like Sky Lynx, but your suggestions do. I'd buy the Hatchet for sure, I'd be a little iffy about the griffin, but I'd definitely not buy a Magmatron or RID Galvatron that didn't have proper bot modes and changing the combiner head doesn't count. Besides, it's not like Hasbro has repainted every Voyager they've made (BotCon doesn't count, those are afterthoughts).
They're more likely to repaint him into Trypticon if anything, at least he was a ship in the games and it's not like Hasbro has any problem giving us four legged Trypticons.
Emerje
Posted by Sabrblade on October 10th, 2015 @ 9:05pm CDT
Devil Gigatron has his Devil Jet mode that Sky Lynx's shuttle mode could be modded into (even uses the same cockpit face as Devil Saurer).Emerje wrote:Sabrblade wrote:On the subject of the CW Sky Lynx mold and the old discussion of what the mold could be redecoed/remolded into being, I've recently thought up two more ideas in addition to the suggestions of DOTM Hatchet and the Giant Purple Griffin.
I'll give you credit for creativity, but the difference is that the previous ideas didn't have humanoid robot modes just like Sky Lynx, but your suggestions do.
As for Magmasaur, the shuttle mode could be a pre-Earth Cybertronian vehicle mode.
For both, the combiner torso mode could serve to homage each's respective robot mode (each given a new headsculpt, though).
Though notice that I didn't use the names of either's robot mode (Magmatron and Devil Gigatron) and instead referred to them by their particular quadrupedal winged beast modes' names (Magmasaur and Devil Saurer).
Posted by Sabrblade on October 10th, 2015 @ 9:26pm CDT
In short, these would be more something along the lines of "Magmatronus" or "Devil Gigatronus", with the difference here being that the non-combiner-modes would have a closer connection to the identity of the torso mode than Cyclonus's two modes have to the Galvatronus torso mode.
Hope that make sense.
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on October 10th, 2015 @ 11:19pm CDT
Posted by Agamemnon on October 11th, 2015 @ 9:55am CDT
52231
I hope that helps anyone looking for the big guy with the right hip ratchets.
Posted by Stuartmaximus on October 11th, 2015 @ 10:13am CDT
Emerje wrote:They're more likely to repaint him into Trypticon if anything, at least he was a ship
& not just any ship! he was the Nemesis(btw some people even today believe that the Dark Energon imbued Nemesis that talked in Transformers Prime.......was Trypticon).
Posted by Sabrblade on October 11th, 2015 @ 10:26am CDT
The Art of Prime book confirmed that the consciousness of the warship in that episode was meant to homage Trypticon's having become the Nemesis.Stuartmaximus wrote:Emerje wrote:They're more likely to repaint him into Trypticon if anything, at least he was a ship
& not just any ship! he was the Nemesis(btw some people even today believe that the Dark Energon imbued Nemesis that talked in Transformers Prime.......was Trypticon).
Posted by Hellscream9999 on October 11th, 2015 @ 9:44pm CDT
Emerje wrote:Sabrblade wrote:On the subject of the CW Sky Lynx mold and the old discussion of what the mold could be redecoed/remolded into being, I've recently thought up two more ideas in addition to the suggestions of DOTM Hatchet and the Giant Purple Griffin.
I'll give you credit for creativity, but the difference is that the previous ideas didn't have humanoid robot modes just like Sky Lynx, but your suggestions do. I'd buy the Hatchet for sure, I'd be a little iffy about the griffin, but I'd definitely not buy a Magmatron or RID Galvatron that didn't have proper bot modes and changing the combiner head doesn't count. Besides, it's not like Hasbro has repainted every Voyager they've made (BotCon doesn't count, those are afterthoughts).
They're more likely to repaint him into Trypticon if anything, at least he was a ship in the games and it's not like Hasbro has any problem giving us four legged Trypticons.
Emerje
C'mon, man, it's just an homage, enjoy it, it's not like hasbro has ever said, this is a be-all-end-all figure, just enjoy the ride.
That being said, I don't think sky lynx is getting a repaint, b/c titan wars is starting up right after, and case assortments are already filled out: onlsaught, scattershot; sky lynx, demolisher (if he is indeed legit), and we've seen from the presentation that the titan wars voyager assortment is filled out for wave 1 (of tw)/wave 3 of next year: galvatron, not-astro train. So unless he is a much later release, we might not be getting one
But it's okay, I guess, I'm sure hasbro would've just ruined it by making it an or something dumb
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on October 11th, 2015 @ 9:54pm CDT
Posted by Hellscream9999 on October 11th, 2015 @ 10:12pm CDT
D-Maximus_Prime wrote:Sky Lynx is badass and looking more badass everytime a picture is released. I personally love the idea of making him a combiner (though it does nothing for his ego)
He looks incredibly , but he would look as a in black and purple and gold/silver
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on October 11th, 2015 @ 11:03pm CDT
Hellscream9999 wrote:D-Maximus_Prime wrote:Sky Lynx is badass and looking more badass everytime a picture is released. I personally love the idea of making him a combiner (though it does nothing for his ego)
He looks incredibly , but he would look as a in black and purple and gold/silver
He would look cool....
But Sky Lynx is too gorgeous and too proud to ever share a mold with a lesser being
Posted by Hellscream9999 on October 11th, 2015 @ 11:21pm CDT
D-Maximus_Prime wrote:Hellscream9999 wrote:D-Maximus_Prime wrote:Sky Lynx is badass and looking more badass everytime a picture is released. I personally love the idea of making him a combiner (though it does nothing for his ego)
He looks incredibly , but he would look as a in black and purple and gold/silver
He would look cool....
But Sky Lynx is too gorgeous and too proud to ever share a mold with a lesser being
It'd be cool if they did something like a harbinger of Unicron, that hunted and killed enemies of Unicron, him and other emissaries of Unicron like drancron, rartorata, elephorca, or shockaract, or The Fallen
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on October 11th, 2015 @ 11:55pm CDT
Hellscream9999 wrote:D-Maximus_Prime wrote:Hellscream9999 wrote:D-Maximus_Prime wrote:Sky Lynx is badass and looking more badass everytime a picture is released. I personally love the idea of making him a combiner (though it does nothing for his ego)
He looks incredibly , but he would look as a in black and purple and gold/silver
He would look cool....
But Sky Lynx is too gorgeous and too proud to ever share a mold with a lesser being
It'd be cool if they did something like a harbinger of Unicron, that hunted and killed enemies of Unicron, him and other emissaries of Unicron like drancron, rartorata, elephorca, or shockaract, or The Fallen
Despite the badassery of Sky Lynx though, I still really want a Nexus Prime
Posted by william-james88 on October 12th, 2015 @ 12:03am CDT
Agamemnon wrote:So, I decided to double-dip to get the Motormaster with the fixed hip ratchets. I bought the set of Battle Core OP and Motormaster from BBTS. I can confirm that my new Motormaster has the fixed hips. I think some were looking for the embossed lot number on the back of the box near the bottom. This is what my Motormaster had:
52231
I hope that helps anyone looking for the big guy with the right hip ratchets.
Check this area of the box to see if the number mentioned above is embossed.
Posted by UltraPrimal on October 12th, 2015 @ 12:08am CDT
Posted by Hellscream9999 on October 12th, 2015 @ 12:14am CDT
UltraPrimal wrote:Aren't they rereleasing the Optimus with the hip fix too? And if so, how do you identify it?
No, battle core o/p is the only one getting the fix. The case is comprised of the fixed mm and bco/p, so there's no room for the original o/p. TT's uw o/p should have the fixed thighs I assume.
Posted by Hellscream9999 on October 12th, 2015 @ 12:15am CDT
D-Maximus_Prime wrote:Hellscream9999 wrote:D-Maximus_Prime wrote:Hellscream9999 wrote:D-Maximus_Prime wrote:Sky Lynx is badass and looking more badass everytime a picture is released. I personally love the idea of making him a combiner (though it does nothing for his ego)
He looks incredibly , but he would look as a in black and purple and gold/silver
He would look cool....
But Sky Lynx is too gorgeous and too proud to ever share a mold with a lesser being
It'd be cool if they did something like a harbinger of Unicron, that hunted and killed enemies of Unicron, him and other emissaries of Unicron like drancron, rartorata, elephorca, or shockaract, or The Fallen
Despite the badassery of Sky Lynx though, I still really want a Nexus Prime
That would probably be a funpub thing, and they have moved on, by next year, they will have titan returning wars' molds at their disposal...
Posted by william-james88 on October 12th, 2015 @ 12:18am CDT
UltraPrimal wrote:Aren't they rereleasing the Optimus with the hip fix too? And if so, how do you identify it?
Thats the first I hear of that, if you are referring to Hasbro releases. As far as I know, the only release of that exact mold to get a fix ratchet will be the Takara version, not the Hasbro version. And the way to identify it is that it comes in a takara box set
Posted by Hellscream9999 on October 12th, 2015 @ 12:25am CDT
william-james88 wrote:UltraPrimal wrote:Aren't they rereleasing the Optimus with the hip fix too? And if so, how do you identify it?
Thats the first I hear of that, if you are referring to Hasbro releases. As far as I know, the only release of that exact mold to get a fix ratchet will be the Takara version, not the Hasbro version. And the way to identify it is that it comes in a takara box set
No they aren't, there is no room in the cases as far as I know
Posted by LOST Cybertronian on October 12th, 2015 @ 12:26am CDT
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on October 12th, 2015 @ 12:28am CDT
Hellscream9999 wrote:D-Maximus_Prime wrote:Hellscream9999 wrote:D-Maximus_Prime wrote:Hellscream9999 wrote:D-Maximus_Prime wrote:Sky Lynx is badass and looking more badass everytime a picture is released. I personally love the idea of making him a combiner (though it does nothing for his ego)
He looks incredibly , but he would look as a in black and purple and gold/silver
He would look cool....
But Sky Lynx is too gorgeous and too proud to ever share a mold with a lesser being
It'd be cool if they did something like a harbinger of Unicron, that hunted and killed enemies of Unicron, him and other emissaries of Unicron like drancron, rartorata, elephorca, or shockaract, or The Fallen
Despite the badassery of Sky Lynx though, I still really want a Nexus Prime
That would probably be a funpub thing, and they have moved on, by next year, they will have titan returning wars' molds at their disposal...
"Prime wars" gives us combiners, headmasters, etc..... I would not rule out a Nexus some where down the tracks, especially with this Sentinel they are putting out
Posted by Stuartmaximus on October 12th, 2015 @ 6:32am CDT
Hellscream9999 wrote:UltraPrimal wrote:Aren't they rereleasing the Optimus with the hip fix too? And if so, how do you identify it?
No, battle core o/p is the only one getting the fix.
NO IT'S NOT!
coz the reissue of CW Motormaster is also supposed to be getting the fix
Posted by RodimusConvoy13 on October 12th, 2015 @ 7:23am CDT
Stuartmaximus wrote:Hellscream9999 wrote:UltraPrimal wrote:Aren't they rereleasing the Optimus with the hip fix too? And if so, how do you identify it?
No, battle core o/p is the only one getting the fix.
NO IT'S NOT!
coz the reissue of CW Motormaster is also supposed to be getting the fix
I'm pretty sure he means Battle Corp Prime is the only one getting the fix.
Posted by Emerje on October 12th, 2015 @ 7:53am CDT
Hellscream9999 wrote:It'd be cool if they did something like a harbinger of Unicron, that hunted and killed enemies of Unicron, him and other emissaries of Unicron like drancron, rartorata, elephorca, or shockaract, or The Fallen
Isn't that more or less Grand Scourge's story? He's a herald of Unicron with a time and space Matrix that lets him travel through dimensions to hunt down anyone with a Matrix (basically anyone with Prime or Convoy in their name). There's also CW Cyclonus/Galvatronus who has a somewhat similar thing going on without the dimension hoping.
Stuartmaximus wrote:Hellscream9999 wrote:UltraPrimal wrote:Aren't they rereleasing the Optimus with the hip fix too? And if so, how do you identify it?
No, battle core o/p is the only one getting the fix.
NO IT'S NOT!
coz the reissue of CW Motormaster is also supposed to be getting the fix
Uh, yeah, that's already been well established in the last few posts. He's saying Battle Core OP is the only Prime getting the fix which is true.
Emerje
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on October 12th, 2015 @ 7:53am CDT
Stuartmaximus wrote:Hellscream9999 wrote:UltraPrimal wrote:Aren't they rereleasing the Optimus with the hip fix too? And if so, how do you identify it?
No, battle core o/p is the only one getting the fix.
NO IT'S NOT!
coz the reissue of CW Motormaster is also supposed to be getting the fix
He was speaking of hasbro Primes, not motormasters.
Posted by RiddlerJ on October 12th, 2015 @ 8:10am CDT
But that just wouldn't be kosher, I guess.
Posted by Stuartmaximus on October 12th, 2015 @ 8:43am CDT
D-Maximus_Prime wrote:Stuartmaximus wrote:Hellscream9999 wrote:UltraPrimal wrote:Aren't they rereleasing the Optimus with the hip fix too? And if so, how do you identify it?
No, battle core o/p is the only one getting the fix.
NO IT'S NOT!
coz the reissue of CW Motormaster is also supposed to be getting the fix
He was speaking of hasbro Primes, not motormasters.
Yes but they share the same mold
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on October 12th, 2015 @ 8:58am CDT
Stuartmaximus wrote:D-Maximus_Prime wrote:Stuartmaximus wrote:Hellscream9999 wrote:UltraPrimal wrote:Aren't they rereleasing the Optimus with the hip fix too? And if so, how do you identify it?
No, battle core o/p is the only one getting the fix.
NO IT'S NOT!
coz the reissue of CW Motormaster is also supposed to be getting the fix
He was speaking of hasbro Primes, not motormasters.
Yes but they share the same mold
He knew they were releasing MM with the fixed hips, as per the original message. He was asking if red prime was getting a re-release with hip fix, but instead we are getting BC Prime. Motormaster was never in question
Posted by albnok on October 12th, 2015 @ 10:22am CDT
Hasbro Combiner Wars Optimus Prime Wave 1 (Red)
Hasbro Combiner Wars Motormaster Wave 2
FIXED HIPS:
Hasbro Combiner Wars Battle Core Optimus Prime Wave 4 (White)
Hasbro Combiner Wars Motormaster Wave 4 (has 52231 embossed on the back)
TakaraTomy Unite Warriors Motormaster (in UW02 Stunticons giftset)
TakaraTomy Unite Warriors Optimus Prime (Red, in UW05 Autobots giftset)
TakaraTomy Unite Warriors Grand Scourge
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on October 12th, 2015 @ 12:55pm CDT
albnok wrote:UNFIXED HIPS:
Hasbro Combiner Wars Optimus Prime Wave 1 (Red)
Hasbro Combiner Wars Motormaster Wave 2
FIXED HIPS:
Hasbro Combiner Wars Battle Core Optimus Prime Wave 4 (White)
Hasbro Combiner Wars Motormaster Wave 4 (has 52231 embossed on the back)
TakaraTomy Unite Warriors Motormaster (in UW02 Stunticons giftset)
TakaraTomy Unite Warriors Optimus Prime (Red, in UW05 Autobots giftset)
UNKNOWN:
TakaraTomy Unite Warriors Grand Scourge
Grand Scourge has fixed hips too
Posted by albnok on October 12th, 2015 @ 2:08pm CDT
Found this video, showing how you can fix the hips yourself, without any sawing or permanent modification. It is reversible and surprisingly good!
I just tried this on my Red Optimus Prime and it works beautifully.
Posted by Hellscream9999 on October 12th, 2015 @ 4:05pm CDT
Stuartmaximus wrote:D-Maximus_Prime wrote:Stuartmaximus wrote:Hellscream9999 wrote:UltraPrimal wrote:Aren't they rereleasing the Optimus with the hip fix too? And if so, how do you identify it?
No, battle core o/p is the only one getting the fix.
NO IT'S NOT!
coz the reissue of CW Motormaster is also supposed to be getting the fix
He was speaking of hasbro Primes, not motormasters.
Yes but they share the same mold
Yes they do, but he asked about o/p figures, and I answered it, he specifically wanted to know if the red one was getting a fix and thus a release, neither of which is happening; but, I get your desire to have all the facts known, it's cool
Posted by Stuartmaximus on October 12th, 2015 @ 5:18pm CDT
Hellscream9999 wrote:Stuartmaximus wrote:D-Maximus_Prime wrote:Stuartmaximus wrote:Hellscream9999 wrote:UltraPrimal wrote:Aren't they rereleasing the Optimus with the hip fix too? And if so, how do you identify it?
No, battle core o/p is the only one getting the fix.
NO IT'S NOT!
coz the reissue of CW Motormaster is also supposed to be getting the fix
He was speaking of hasbro Primes, not motormasters.
Yes but they share the same mold
Yes they do, but he asked about o/p figures, and I answered it, he specifically wanted to know if the red one was getting a fix and thus a release, neither of which is happening; but, I get your desire to have all the facts known, it's cool
Well....you could always fix your existing ones, thanks to albnok's video link! thus saving you money you would've had to spend on the Motormaster reissue, plus I'm sure the fix on that video link also works on Prime too
Posted by Stuartmaximus on October 12th, 2015 @ 5:59pm CDT
D-Maximus_Prime wrote: Doing a whole wave of beastformers as combiners may not have gone well, so they decided against it.
Maybe someone had a change of heart
Posted by Sabrblade on October 12th, 2015 @ 6:04pm CDT
That is neither a beastformer nor a regular Hasbro product. Fun Pub exclusives are a whole other animal in and of themselves.Stuartmaximus wrote:D-Maximus_Prime wrote: Doing a whole wave of beastformers as combiners may not have gone well, so they decided against it.
Maybe someone had a change of heart
Posted by Madeus Prime on October 12th, 2015 @ 6:53pm CDT
william-james88 wrote:Firstly, come on Madeus Prime, you are a Seibertron veteran, I am surprised you chose this thread to write your remarks when we have a whole thread dedicated to Titans Return. It's best we continue this discussion there so that those who do follow it can get your insight.
Explanation, I was not aware that there was such a thread. I've been extremely preoccupied lately with school (huge art project, major essay, big world studies project, and student store management) and other responsibilities (spent nearly all of this past Sunday setting up my school for homecoming.) Not to mention some personal issues that've been giving me a headache. So I'm a bit out of the loop and really tired, from now on I will discuss this series there.
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on October 12th, 2015 @ 6:56pm CDT
albnok wrote:Thanks, I've edited my post above!
Found this video, showing how you can fix the hips yourself, without any sawing or permanent modification. It is reversible and surprisingly good!
I just tried this on my Red Optimus Prime and it works beautifully.
I may have to give this a try this weekend when I go home and can play with MM
Posted by Agamemnon on October 13th, 2015 @ 8:47am CDT
D-Maximus_Prime wrote:albnok wrote:Thanks, I've edited my post above!
Found this video, showing how you can fix the hips yourself, without any sawing or permanent modification. It is reversible and surprisingly good!
I just tried this on my Red Optimus Prime and it works beautifully.
I may have to give this a try this weekend when I go home and can play with MM
Indeed, I'll try this with my MM and see if there is a difference between the two versions. I'm starting to think that in assembly the parts were swapped in that first OP/MM wave...
Because that never happens, right Hasbro?
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on October 13th, 2015 @ 9:18am CDT
Posted by william-james88 on October 13th, 2015 @ 9:30am CDT
RodimusZero wrote:Both Rook and Offroad go for over $40 a piece here in Japan, so the demand is really high.
So while this thread has seen tons of complaining that Takara is doing things right with many of these toys (which I am not contesting), it is interesting to step back and see how lucky we are. We eventually got our Slingshot and Wildrider, and all this time, they didnt get the new characters. Of course, that will probably change with takara's release of the galvatronus combiner but I did find it interesting to see that there is always a flipside.
Posted by Stuartmaximus on October 13th, 2015 @ 11:08am CDT
D-Maximus_Prime wrote:Looking at the toy, I'm wondering how they will package Sky Lynx. It almost looks like it will be required to be packaged in vehicle mode.
wasn't the original packaged that way too?