Transformers Dark of the Moon Strikes Out at the Oscars
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The Academy Awards have ended and Transformers Dark of the Moon has come up empty handed. The film was nominated in three categories: Visual Effects, Sound Editing, and Sound Mixing. Unfortunately for us the Martin Scorsese directed Hugo also received nominations in those three categories and managed to sweep all three. Guess we'll have to settle for "It's an honor just to be nominated" and hope for better luck next time. We do have another Transformers film to look forward to in 2014 after all!
Film School Reject's Robert Fure by way of Michael Bay's official website:
Film School Reject's Robert Fure by way of Michael Bay's official website:
Achievement in Sound Editing
Hugo wins here, which is stupid. Drive was nominated because it was loud and realistic, but I don’t think that overcomes Transformers: Dark of the Moon, which created an amazing and realistic immersive experience that was well thought out. Say what you will about the movie or Bay, but the film is cutting edge and sounded amazing.
Achievement in Sound Mixing
Again, Hugo doesn’t hold a candle to Transformers. The action film is ignored because it’s perceived as being big, loud, and stupid, when it is actually big, loud, and technically crafted amazingly in several departments. Hate the film, you can’t ignore the layers of sound work here.
Achievement in Visual Effects + This is What’s Wrong with the Oscars Part 2
The childish Hugo again wins, inexplicably. I don’t think Deathly Hallows had the consistency in its effects work to win here. Many were cheering Rise of the Planet of the Apes, but I don’t think that wins here either – what was the achievement? More facial mocap? Big whoop. The technology being utilized here is Lord of the Rings stuff plus the hair texturing of King Kong. It’s not groundbreaking. I liked Real Steel, which had some pretty great effects, but the king of the pile here is Transformers: Dark of the Moon.
This is again what’s wrong with the Oscar’s. They don’t want to give Transformers an Academy Award, despite the fact that it is utterly amazing visually. Michael Bay has a bad reputation in some professional circles and a lot of people consider him to be a bad director – so what? This isn’t about good people and this category actually isn’t about “good” movies. Transformers is at least competent in every department, but when it comes to visual effects, this film is retardedly amazing. The robots move more realistically than the apes in Rise, and they seamlessly interact with the physical environment. The effects are blended perfectly.
Further, the film breaks ground in processing power and what’s possible on the screen. Each of the Transformers is made up of hundreds, if not tens of thousands, of pieces that are animated. There was a time when just putting one of those guys on screen was impossible, yet now a battle can rage with dozens of Transformers fighting dozens of flying vehicles while buildings collapse in the background. This just isn’t about the robots, it’s about the entire digital landscape collapsing around them. Dark of the Moon was fucking robbed.
Visual Effects
- Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 2
- Hugo - Winner
- Real Steel
- Rise of the Planet of the Apes
- Transformers: Dark of the Moon
Sound Editing
- Drive
- The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo
- Hugo - Winner
- Transformers: Dark of the Moon
- War Horse
Sound Mixing
- The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo
- Hugo - Winner
- Moneyball
- Transformers: Dark of the Moon
- War Horse
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Re: Transformers Dark of the Moon Strikes Out at the Oscars (1352312)
Posted by MINDVVIPE on February 27th, 2012 @ 1:11am CST
Posted by MINDVVIPE on February 27th, 2012 @ 1:11am CST
HAH, all that work and it loses to a movie thats much more story driven.
Re: Transformers Dark of the Moon Strikes Out at the Oscars (1352315)
Posted by Evil_the_Nub on February 27th, 2012 @ 1:28am CST
Agreed, the whole thing is a joke. I'm surprised anyone takes it seriously when they make decisions like that.
Posted by Evil_the_Nub on February 27th, 2012 @ 1:28am CST
Treetop Maximus wrote:>not winning Visual Effects
Oscars confirmed for bullshit.
Agreed, the whole thing is a joke. I'm surprised anyone takes it seriously when they make decisions like that.
Re: Transformers Dark of the Moon Strikes Out at the Oscars (1352318)
Posted by MINDVVIPE on February 27th, 2012 @ 1:49am CST
Posted by MINDVVIPE on February 27th, 2012 @ 1:49am CST
How come the oscars are bullshit? They probably saw all the special effects and were like, woo... crazy i guess... well, from what I actually made out from all the craziness... And then they forget about it, coz it leaves no lasting impression.
Its not just about how crazy the visuals are, its about how effectively they are applied. I don't really care about the oscars, but if thats how they were rating special effects, I completely agree.
Its not just about how crazy the visuals are, its about how effectively they are applied. I don't really care about the oscars, but if thats how they were rating special effects, I completely agree.
Re: Transformers Dark of the Moon Strikes Out at the Oscars (1352322)
Posted by RhA on February 27th, 2012 @ 2:24am CST
The oscars are bullshit because it's a circle jerk.
Posted by RhA on February 27th, 2012 @ 2:24am CST
MINDVVIPE wrote:How come the oscars are bullshit? They probably saw all the special effects and were like, woo... crazy i guess... well, from what I actually made out from all the craziness... And then they forget about it, coz it leaves no lasting impression.
Its not just about how crazy the visuals are, its about how effectively they are applied. I don't really care about the oscars, but if thats how they were rating special effects, I completely agree.
The oscars are bullshit because it's a circle jerk.
Re: Transformers Dark of the Moon Strikes Out at the Oscars (1352332)
Posted by Megatron Wolf on February 27th, 2012 @ 3:11am CST
Posted by Megatron Wolf on February 27th, 2012 @ 3:11am CST
just because a movie has alot of effects doesnt mean it should win anything, especially when the cg isnt even that great. They CGI in DOTM wasnt bad but it wasnt great either. when you see cg in the movie you know its cg cause it looks like cg, great cg should look like its a real life prop on the set not like it was added in later. It would be one thing if they did something nwe bit they didnt, the effects looked the same as the first movie. Out of all the movies there either planet of the apes or harry potter should've won, not a fan of either movie but the effects were awesome. but as we all know its the oscars so the things that should win never do.
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Posted by Autobot032 on February 27th, 2012 @ 3:22am CST
Posted by Autobot032 on February 27th, 2012 @ 3:22am CST
-_- true talent ignored again.
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Posted by Starscream GaGa on February 27th, 2012 @ 3:42am CST
Posted by Starscream GaGa on February 27th, 2012 @ 3:42am CST
And so the onslaught of fan boys begins...
"Oscars are bullshit WAH!"
"Oscars are fixed WAH!"
"Nobody cares about Oscars anyway WAH!"
Sorry guys, Hugo was extremely well received. DOTM was not. Everyone knew it had no chance of winning.
"Oscars are bullshit WAH!"
"Oscars are fixed WAH!"
"Nobody cares about Oscars anyway WAH!"
Sorry guys, Hugo was extremely well received. DOTM was not. Everyone knew it had no chance of winning.
Re: Transformers Dark of the Moon Strikes Out at the Oscars (1352341)
Posted by combiner711 on February 27th, 2012 @ 3:55am CST
Posted by combiner711 on February 27th, 2012 @ 3:55am CST
This is what you will get in the oscars with those aged 70+ judges 
Re: Transformers Dark of the Moon Strikes Out at the Oscars (1352349)
Posted by RhA on February 27th, 2012 @ 5:23am CST
Everyone exept me.
Posted by RhA on February 27th, 2012 @ 5:23am CST
Starscream GaGa wrote:And so the onslaught of fan boys begins...
"Oscars are bullshit WAH!"
"Oscars are fixed WAH!"
"Nobody cares about Oscars anyway WAH!"
Sorry guys, Hugo was extremely well received. DOTM was not. Everyone knew it had no chance of winning.
Everyone exept me.
Re: Transformers Dark of the Moon Strikes Out at the Oscars (1352362)
Posted by MagnusLabel on February 27th, 2012 @ 6:22am CST
Posted by MagnusLabel on February 27th, 2012 @ 6:22am CST
When TF lost to the f@!king pooh-hole bear in Oscar Visual Effects 2007, I know that TF would never receive any prize in Oscar. 
Re: Transformers Dark of the Moon Strikes Out at the Oscars (1352364)
Posted by DevastaTTor on February 27th, 2012 @ 6:31am CST
Yep, it's Hollywood loving on Hollywood. And in that world, Martin Scorsese beats out Michael Bay every time.
Posted by DevastaTTor on February 27th, 2012 @ 6:31am CST
RhA wrote:MINDVVIPE wrote:How come the oscars are bullshit? They probably saw all the special effects and were like, woo... crazy i guess... well, from what I actually made out from all the craziness... And then they forget about it, coz it leaves no lasting impression.
Its not just about how crazy the visuals are, its about how effectively they are applied. I don't really care about the oscars, but if thats how they were rating special effects, I completely agree.
The oscars are bullshit because it's a circle jerk.
Yep, it's Hollywood loving on Hollywood. And in that world, Martin Scorsese beats out Michael Bay every time.
Re: Transformers Dark of the Moon Strikes Out at the Oscars (1352367)
Posted by KingEmperor on February 27th, 2012 @ 6:58am CST
Hollywood hates Michael Bay, but loves the money he brings in. Haha.
Posted by KingEmperor on February 27th, 2012 @ 6:58am CST
DevastaTTor wrote:RhA wrote:MINDVVIPE wrote:How come the oscars are bullshit? They probably saw all the special effects and were like, woo... crazy i guess... well, from what I actually made out from all the craziness... And then they forget about it, coz it leaves no lasting impression.
Its not just about how crazy the visuals are, its about how effectively they are applied. I don't really care about the oscars, but if thats how they were rating special effects, I completely agree.
The oscars are bullshit because it's a circle jerk.
Yep, it's Hollywood loving on Hollywood. And in that world, Martin Scorsese beats out Michael Bay every time.
Hollywood hates Michael Bay, but loves the money he brings in. Haha.
Re: Transformers Dark of the Moon Strikes Out at the Oscars (1352379)
Posted by dragons on February 27th, 2012 @ 7:37am CST
wow not to sound negative i knew we wouldnt get anything but hugo did clean sweep those award shows always seem to be rigged to me fans who vote for winners are ones i watch , mtv, teen choice.
really hugo didnt make that much money at boxoffice to some of films that it was up against at boxoffice
Posted by dragons on February 27th, 2012 @ 7:37am CST
wow not to sound negative i knew we wouldnt get anything but hugo did clean sweep those award shows always seem to be rigged to me fans who vote for winners are ones i watch , mtv, teen choice.really hugo didnt make that much money at boxoffice to some of films that it was up against at boxoffice
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Posted by Starscream GaGa on February 27th, 2012 @ 7:40am CST
Posted by Starscream GaGa on February 27th, 2012 @ 7:40am CST
People the awards are NOT about how much they got in box office!
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Posted by Evil_the_Nub on February 27th, 2012 @ 8:23am CST
We know, it's about old farts giving themselves awards and somehow they've convinced everyone those awards are the most important. The movies that win these awards were only made to win awards. Like RhA said, circle jerk. I quit caring about the Oscars a long time ago because of that, this is yet another nail in that coffin.
Posted by Evil_the_Nub on February 27th, 2012 @ 8:23am CST
Starscream GaGa wrote:People the awards are NOT about how much they got in box office!
We know, it's about old farts giving themselves awards and somehow they've convinced everyone those awards are the most important. The movies that win these awards were only made to win awards. Like RhA said, circle jerk. I quit caring about the Oscars a long time ago because of that, this is yet another nail in that coffin.
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Posted by Sodan-1 on February 27th, 2012 @ 8:27am CST
Posted by Sodan-1 on February 27th, 2012 @ 8:27am CST
The categories DoTM was nominated for are what I like to refer to as the 'Window dressing awards'. They're categories worth having to recognise the production teams' achievements, but whether they're good or bad they'll never make or break a movie.
I know people wanted DoTM to win something but realistically it was never going to happen. You're always going to get different winners depending on how they're chosen i.e. fans, judges, or members of the industry. Some people may call that 'rigged', but its simply different groups with different standards. The Oscars are probably the most pretigious of the movie awards. To let a movie like DoTM or Rise of The Planet of The Apes beat something like Hugo or War Horse would be like saying an X-Factor tune is better than Mozart or Pink Floyd.
Bottom line: who gives a sh!t about awards ceremonies?
I know people wanted DoTM to win something but realistically it was never going to happen. You're always going to get different winners depending on how they're chosen i.e. fans, judges, or members of the industry. Some people may call that 'rigged', but its simply different groups with different standards. The Oscars are probably the most pretigious of the movie awards. To let a movie like DoTM or Rise of The Planet of The Apes beat something like Hugo or War Horse would be like saying an X-Factor tune is better than Mozart or Pink Floyd.
Bottom line: who gives a sh!t about awards ceremonies?
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Posted by Starscream GaGa on February 27th, 2012 @ 8:43am CST
If you didn't care you wouldn't be posting here.
Posted by Starscream GaGa on February 27th, 2012 @ 8:43am CST
Evil_the_Nub wrote:Starscream GaGa wrote:People the awards are NOT about how much they got in box office!
We know, it's about old farts giving themselves awards and somehow they've convinced everyone those awards are the most important. The movies that win these awards were only made to win awards. Like RhA said, circle jerk. I quit caring about the Oscars a long time ago because of that, this is yet another nail in that coffin.
If you didn't care you wouldn't be posting here.
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Posted by Sodan-1 on February 27th, 2012 @ 8:44am CST
And the Transformers movies were only made to make money, so what exactly qualifies as a good movie? That is a question that can only be answered by your own opinion and applies only to you.
And if Transformers had won an Oscar you'd be saying that the Oscars had finally changed their ways and started to improve. Let's be honest, there's going to be quite a bit of bias floating around no matter which side of the fence you come down on. I could argue that if it wasn't for the Oscars then movies like The King's Speech, A Beautiful Mind or Gandhi would never win an award.
Posted by Sodan-1 on February 27th, 2012 @ 8:44am CST
Evil_the_Nub wrote:The movies that win these awards were only made to win awards.
And the Transformers movies were only made to make money, so what exactly qualifies as a good movie? That is a question that can only be answered by your own opinion and applies only to you.
Evil_the_Nub wrote:I quit caring about the Oscars a long time ago because of that, this is yet another nail in that coffin.
And if Transformers had won an Oscar you'd be saying that the Oscars had finally changed their ways and started to improve. Let's be honest, there's going to be quite a bit of bias floating around no matter which side of the fence you come down on. I could argue that if it wasn't for the Oscars then movies like The King's Speech, A Beautiful Mind or Gandhi would never win an award.
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Posted by bdougwrx on February 27th, 2012 @ 8:56am CST
Agreed, some of the cg in DOTM was great, but other parts just looked bad. I haven't seem Hugo, Apes or HP, but I thought the cg in Real Steel was really good and better, as a whole, than DOTM.
Posted by bdougwrx on February 27th, 2012 @ 8:56am CST
Megatron Wolf wrote:just because a movie has alot of effects doesnt mean it should win anything, especially when the cg isnt even that great. They CGI in DOTM wasnt bad but it wasnt great either. when you see cg in the movie you know its cg cause it looks like cg, great cg should look like its a real life prop on the set not like it was added in later. It would be one thing if they did something nwe bit they didnt, the effects looked the same as the first movie. Out of all the movies there either planet of the apes or harry potter should've won, not a fan of either movie but the effects were awesome. but as we all know its the oscars so the things that should win never do.
Agreed, some of the cg in DOTM was great, but other parts just looked bad. I haven't seem Hugo, Apes or HP, but I thought the cg in Real Steel was really good and better, as a whole, than DOTM.
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Posted by Dorkimus on February 27th, 2012 @ 8:57am CST
Posted by Dorkimus on February 27th, 2012 @ 8:57am CST
Awwwwww...how sad. Well don't worry. Maybe TF3 can still win some Razzie-awards.
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Posted by optimuscarlos on February 27th, 2012 @ 9:40am CST
Posted by optimuscarlos on February 27th, 2012 @ 9:40am CST
To be honest I think Transformers movies are not oscars material.
Actually, the only thing I can rescue from the movies are the redesigns of the characters which I like the most.
I didn't even bought all the characters toys, I just pick the ones I thought were the best executed.
I only watched transformers on the theater once each, and I haven't been interested on watch them again, not even on cable.
Transformers Prime is a much better show. I have watched the entire first season twice, while I wait for the second.
You don't need to dinamite every single pixel on screen or to make a close up of some blonde ass to make something
that people will want to watch over and over.
I don't hate transformers movies, I liked them while I was on the theater.
But they have a flavor that don't last enough.
Actually, the only thing I can rescue from the movies are the redesigns of the characters which I like the most.
I didn't even bought all the characters toys, I just pick the ones I thought were the best executed.
I only watched transformers on the theater once each, and I haven't been interested on watch them again, not even on cable.
Transformers Prime is a much better show. I have watched the entire first season twice, while I wait for the second.
You don't need to dinamite every single pixel on screen or to make a close up of some blonde ass to make something
that people will want to watch over and over.
I don't hate transformers movies, I liked them while I was on the theater.
But they have a flavor that don't last enough.
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Posted by DevastaTTor on February 27th, 2012 @ 10:08am CST
I agree and in the categories TF3 was nominated, it's still about how sound or effects assist to tell the story. With all the TF films, story took a back seat to great, in-your-face effects.
TF3 was probably the most technically advanced film of the year. I think we can all agree on that. But the better story always wins the day in Hollywood, especially when awards season roles around.
Posted by DevastaTTor on February 27th, 2012 @ 10:08am CST
Starscream GaGa wrote:People the awards are NOT about how much they got in box office!
I agree and in the categories TF3 was nominated, it's still about how sound or effects assist to tell the story. With all the TF films, story took a back seat to great, in-your-face effects.
TF3 was probably the most technically advanced film of the year. I think we can all agree on that. But the better story always wins the day in Hollywood, especially when awards season roles around.
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Posted by Noideaforaname on February 27th, 2012 @ 10:09am CST
Posted by Noideaforaname on February 27th, 2012 @ 10:09am CST
Eh, not surprised. Hugo was obviously going to be the "movie that no one heard of that won all the awards" since we first heard the nominations.
It's not like DotM's billions earned, upcoming sequel, theme park ride, and toys are in any way tarnished.
It's not like DotM's billions earned, upcoming sequel, theme park ride, and toys are in any way tarnished.
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Posted by Dead Metal on February 27th, 2012 @ 10:34am CST
Posted by Dead Metal on February 27th, 2012 @ 10:34am CST
Seriously, did anyone really think that DOTM would win?
I'm more interested in the comedy awards anyway, at least those are mostly funny.
I'm more interested in the comedy awards anyway, at least those are mostly funny.
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Posted by 5150 Cruiser on February 27th, 2012 @ 10:51am CST
And you'd be kidding yourself if you think if Transformers was more story driven than it was (like the movie or not, it did have a story) that it would have had a chance against movies like HUGO.
The Academy awards are not for movies like TF. Heck, IMO, Planet of the Apes proabably should have won, but we all know it never had a chance either.
And if they did win all three, or even one award all the haters would be saying the exact same thing.
"The Oscars suck anyhow WAH!"
"The story still sucked WAH!"
Ah man. Now Micheal Bay's ego is going to be bigger than ever and we'll never get a propper TF movieWAH, WAH, WAH!!!"
..And so on and so. Its a double edge sword really.
Posted by 5150 Cruiser on February 27th, 2012 @ 10:51am CST
MINDVVIPE wrote:HAH, all that work and it loses to a movie thats much more story driven.
And you'd be kidding yourself if you think if Transformers was more story driven than it was (like the movie or not, it did have a story) that it would have had a chance against movies like HUGO.
The Academy awards are not for movies like TF. Heck, IMO, Planet of the Apes proabably should have won, but we all know it never had a chance either.
Starscream GaGa wrote:And so the onslaught of fan boys begins...
"Oscars are bullshit WAH!"
"Oscars are fixed WAH!"
"Nobody cares about Oscars anyway WAH!"
Sorry guys, Hugo was extremely well received. DOTM was not. Everyone knew it had no chance of winning.
And if they did win all three, or even one award all the haters would be saying the exact same thing.
"The Oscars suck anyhow WAH!"
"The story still sucked WAH!"
Ah man. Now Micheal Bay's ego is going to be bigger than ever and we'll never get a propper TF movieWAH, WAH, WAH!!!"
..And so on and so. Its a double edge sword really.
Re: Transformers Dark of the Moon Strikes Out at the Oscars (1352490)
Posted by TulioDude on February 27th, 2012 @ 12:16pm CST
I wonder if was like that just because Michael Bay is the director.
I agree.
Posted by TulioDude on February 27th, 2012 @ 12:16pm CST
Seibertron wrote:Transformers Dark of the Moon lost to Hugo for Sound Editing.
And it lost again to Huge for Sound Mixing
I wonder if was like that just because Michael Bay is the director.
5150 Cruiser wrote: And if they did win all three, or even one award all the haters would be saying the exact same thing.
"The Oscars suck anyhow WAH!"
"The story still sucked WAH!"
Ah man. Now Micheal Bay's ego is going to be bigger than ever and we'll never get a propper TF movieWAH, WAH, WAH!!!"
..And so on and so. Its a double edge sword really.
I agree.
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Posted by SlyTF1 on February 27th, 2012 @ 2:19pm CST
Posted by SlyTF1 on February 27th, 2012 @ 2:19pm CST
I never even heard of this damn movie. The worst movies always win at the Oscars. That's why I didn't give a damn about it in the first place.
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Posted by prowl123 on February 27th, 2012 @ 2:45pm CST
Posted by prowl123 on February 27th, 2012 @ 2:45pm CST
How could DotM lose all three awards to Hugo? There weren't even any good effects in Hugo! There weren't any good sounds either. Hugo was all-around average. DotM should have won at least the special effects awards.
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Posted by Dorkimus on February 27th, 2012 @ 3:45pm CST
Well, that is just your problem I guess.
BTW; many of you who have posted critical comments here were most likely exited to hear about TF3 getting nominated some months ago, but now suddenly oscars are just a joke, bullshit, rigged etc. Funny how it always goes. Then again, should TF3 had won something, would you still consider oscars being a joke, bs and so on. Obviously yes, for that's what you are saying here.
See. Isn't that just great that TF didn't win anything? Thank god for that... So why are you so upset
?
Posted by Dorkimus on February 27th, 2012 @ 3:45pm CST
SlyTF1 wrote:I never even heard of this damn movie.
Well, that is just your problem I guess.
BTW; many of you who have posted critical comments here were most likely exited to hear about TF3 getting nominated some months ago, but now suddenly oscars are just a joke, bullshit, rigged etc. Funny how it always goes. Then again, should TF3 had won something, would you still consider oscars being a joke, bs and so on. Obviously yes, for that's what you are saying here.
The worst movies always win at the Oscars
See. Isn't that just great that TF didn't win anything? Thank god for that... So why are you so upset
?
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Posted by 5150 Cruiser on February 27th, 2012 @ 3:57pm CST
Like i said, its a double edge sword. If the movie had won awards many of the "haters" would have made simular excuses that those that are upset that the movie didn't win. Now keep in mind i said many and not all. many here that have called "bullshit" vocalized before hand that they knew DOTM weren't going to win. Once i saw the nominees i knew DOTM along with others that were truely worthy of the visual awards (planet of the Apes), they weren't going to win. They rarely if ever do. These awards always focus on the "arts-y" type movies. NOt action pop corn flicks.
Posted by 5150 Cruiser on February 27th, 2012 @ 3:57pm CST
Dorkimus wrote: BTW; many of you who have posted critical comments here were most likely exited to hear about TF3 getting nominated some months ago, but now suddenly oscars are just a joke, bullshit, rigged etc. Funny how it always goes. Then again, should TF3 had won something, would you still consider oscars being a joke, bs and so on. Obviously yes, for that's what you are saying here.
Like i said, its a double edge sword. If the movie had won awards many of the "haters" would have made simular excuses that those that are upset that the movie didn't win. Now keep in mind i said many and not all. many here that have called "bullshit" vocalized before hand that they knew DOTM weren't going to win. Once i saw the nominees i knew DOTM along with others that were truely worthy of the visual awards (planet of the Apes), they weren't going to win. They rarely if ever do. These awards always focus on the "arts-y" type movies. NOt action pop corn flicks.
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Posted by RhA on February 27th, 2012 @ 4:29pm CST
Really though, I think it's bullpoop, TF's or not.
Posted by RhA on February 27th, 2012 @ 4:29pm CST
5150 Cruiser wrote:Dorkimus wrote: BTW; many of you who have posted critical comments here were most likely exited to hear about TF3 getting nominated some months ago, but now suddenly oscars are just a joke, bullshit, rigged etc. Funny how it always goes. Then again, should TF3 had won something, would you still consider oscars being a joke, bs and so on. Obviously yes, for that's what you are saying here.
Like i said, its a double edge sword. If the movie had won awards many of the "haters" would have made simular excuses that those that are upset that the movie didn't win. Now keep in mind i said many and not all. many here that have called "bullshit" vocalized before hand that they knew DOTM weren't going to win. Once i saw the nominees i knew DOTM along with others that were truely worthy of the visual awards (planet of the Apes), they weren't going to win. They rarely if ever do. These awards always focus on the "arts-y" type movies. NOt action pop corn flicks.
Really though, I think it's bullpoop, TF's or not.
Re: Transformers Dark of the Moon Strikes Out at the Oscars (1352635)
Posted by starscreamreturns on February 27th, 2012 @ 5:08pm CST
Posted by starscreamreturns on February 27th, 2012 @ 5:08pm CST
Damn Hugo....
Transformers 4
will be amazing!
heres a little preview
Transformers 4
will be amazing!
heres a little preview
Re: Transformers Dark of the Moon Strikes Out at the Oscars (1352649)
Posted by Capt.Failure on February 27th, 2012 @ 6:02pm CST
Posted by Capt.Failure on February 27th, 2012 @ 6:02pm CST
I believe I speak factually when I say that the Oscars are one of the greatest examples of the term "circlejerk" in human history.
Re: Transformers Dark of the Moon Strikes Out at the Oscars (1352691)
Posted by Evil_the_Nub on February 27th, 2012 @ 8:35pm CST
If it weren't for the Oscars movies like The King's Speech, A Beautiful Mind, and Gandhi would never have been made. That's my point, they make the same cookie cutter Oscarbait movies every year just so they can win a trophy and feel important. Rarely are these movies memorable. Take 2008 for example, what won best picture? Slumdog Millionaire. What else came out in 2008? The Dark Knight, which wasn't even nominated. Which movie has already been forgotten and which is going to be a classic? I'll give you a clue, nobody is eager to see The Slumdog Rises. They give these trophies to the movies that follow the same formula, whether or not they're the best. That's what makes it a circle jerking joke. It's not "Best Picture" or "Best Visual Effects" it's Best Picture and Visual Effects that follows the same recipe year after year.
Posted by Evil_the_Nub on February 27th, 2012 @ 8:35pm CST
Sodan-1 wrote:Evil_the_Nub wrote:The movies that win these awards were only made to win awards.
And the Transformers movies were only made to make money, so what exactly qualifies as a good movie? That is a question that can only be answered by your own opinion and applies only to you.Evil_the_Nub wrote:I quit caring about the Oscars a long time ago because of that, this is yet another nail in that coffin.
And if Transformers had won an Oscar you'd be saying that the Oscars had finally changed their ways and started to improve. Let's be honest, there's going to be quite a bit of bias floating around no matter which side of the fence you come down on. I could argue that if it wasn't for the Oscars then movies like The King's Speech, A Beautiful Mind or Gandhi would never win an award.
If it weren't for the Oscars movies like The King's Speech, A Beautiful Mind, and Gandhi would never have been made. That's my point, they make the same cookie cutter Oscarbait movies every year just so they can win a trophy and feel important. Rarely are these movies memorable. Take 2008 for example, what won best picture? Slumdog Millionaire. What else came out in 2008? The Dark Knight, which wasn't even nominated. Which movie has already been forgotten and which is going to be a classic? I'll give you a clue, nobody is eager to see The Slumdog Rises. They give these trophies to the movies that follow the same formula, whether or not they're the best. That's what makes it a circle jerking joke. It's not "Best Picture" or "Best Visual Effects" it's Best Picture and Visual Effects that follows the same recipe year after year.
Re: Transformers Dark of the Moon Strikes Out at the Oscars (1352697)
Posted by MINDVVIPE on February 27th, 2012 @ 8:51pm CST
Posted by MINDVVIPE on February 27th, 2012 @ 8:51pm CST
I'm not argueing the credibility of the oscar nominations and picks, i'm just pointing out how sad it is that a movie that is pretty much only about the special effects (not characters or stories or emotion) failed to win. ITS FUNNY... HAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAH!
Re: Transformers Dark of the Moon Strikes Out at the Oscars (1352703)
Posted by Starscream GaGa on February 27th, 2012 @ 9:10pm CST
OK, two things here:
The Dark Knight is part of nerd culture and already had a huge fanbase because of the previous Batman comics, movies and TV shows. It got a huge amount of attention due to Heath Ledger dying and actually did win a lot of awards. Slumdog Millionare was a stand-alone movie.
Secondly, DOTM is not a classic and simple things like Hugh Jackman's opening to the 2008 Oscars is far more memorable than the entire flick.
I'm not denying there is such a thing as Oscar bait, but really, I can just imagine the fanwank that would occur had DOTM won an award. This site, for instance, would be shoe-horning "Oscar-Award Winning DOTM" on every second news post. Transfans would care if DOTM had won an award.
Posted by Starscream GaGa on February 27th, 2012 @ 9:10pm CST
Evil_the_Nub wrote:If it weren't for the Oscars movies like The King's Speech, A Beautiful Mind, and Gandhi would never have been made. That's my point, they make the same cookie cutter Oscarbait movies every year just so they can win a trophy and feel important. Rarely are these movies memorable. Take 2008 for example, what won best picture? Slumdog Millionaire. What else came out in 2008? The Dark Knight, which wasn't even nominated. Which movie has already been forgotten and which is going to be a classic? I'll give you a clue, nobody is eager to see The Slumdog Rises. They give these trophies to the movies that follow the same formula, whether or not they're the best. That's what makes it a circle jerking joke. It's not "Best Picture" or "Best Visual Effects" it's Best Picture and Visual Effects that follows the same recipe year after year.
OK, two things here:
The Dark Knight is part of nerd culture and already had a huge fanbase because of the previous Batman comics, movies and TV shows. It got a huge amount of attention due to Heath Ledger dying and actually did win a lot of awards. Slumdog Millionare was a stand-alone movie.
Secondly, DOTM is not a classic and simple things like Hugh Jackman's opening to the 2008 Oscars is far more memorable than the entire flick.
I'm not denying there is such a thing as Oscar bait, but really, I can just imagine the fanwank that would occur had DOTM won an award. This site, for instance, would be shoe-horning "Oscar-Award Winning DOTM" on every second news post. Transfans would care if DOTM had won an award.
Re: Transformers Dark of the Moon Strikes Out at the Oscars (1352719)
Posted by Capt.Failure on February 27th, 2012 @ 10:06pm CST
It is sad that what we're supposed to see as the most knowledgeable source of quality in the film industry has devolved into a self gratifying clusterfrak that is the modern Academy. Remember this is the same group of people that gave animated films their own "best picture" category rather than even consider them for a true Best Picture award. Nowadays the Academy is at best a joke held in high regard by those who can't let go and believe them to still be a group who's opinions are valid.
A fan of film who knows their stuff would not consider anything from the Oscars as a sign of quality. Studio pay offs and radical conservatism win more Oscars than quality film making.
Posted by Capt.Failure on February 27th, 2012 @ 10:06pm CST
MINDVVIPE wrote:I'm not argueing the credibility of the oscar nominations and picks, i'm just pointing out how sad it is that a movie that is pretty much only about the special effects (not characters or stories or emotion) failed to win. ITS FUNNY... HAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAH!
It is sad that what we're supposed to see as the most knowledgeable source of quality in the film industry has devolved into a self gratifying clusterfrak that is the modern Academy. Remember this is the same group of people that gave animated films their own "best picture" category rather than even consider them for a true Best Picture award. Nowadays the Academy is at best a joke held in high regard by those who can't let go and believe them to still be a group who's opinions are valid.
A fan of film who knows their stuff would not consider anything from the Oscars as a sign of quality. Studio pay offs and radical conservatism win more Oscars than quality film making.
Re: Transformers Dark of the Moon Strikes Out at the Oscars (1352721)
Posted by Starscream GaGa on February 27th, 2012 @ 10:11pm CST
Posted by Starscream GaGa on February 27th, 2012 @ 10:11pm CST
Yeah, studio pay-offs win Oscars. THAT'S why so many independent films win.
Oh wait.
Oh wait.
Re: Transformers Dark of the Moon Strikes Out at the Oscars (1352727)
Posted by Capt.Failure on February 27th, 2012 @ 10:19pm CST
Willfully missing the "extreme conservative views" part much? Many of those independent films that win are some of the most oscar-bait crap I've ever seen. The Oscars are a joke no matter how you swing it.
Posted by Capt.Failure on February 27th, 2012 @ 10:19pm CST
Starscream GaGa wrote:Yeah, studio pay-offs win Oscars. THAT'S why so many independent films win.
Oh wait.
Willfully missing the "extreme conservative views" part much? Many of those independent films that win are some of the most oscar-bait crap I've ever seen. The Oscars are a joke no matter how you swing it.
Re: Transformers Dark of the Moon Strikes Out at the Oscars (1352728)
Posted by Starscream GaGa on February 27th, 2012 @ 10:25pm CST
My bad. I focused on the entirely ridiculous part of your post instead of the whiny.
I'm really not getting the whole hate for the Oscars thing. There is no monetary award and getting an Oscar wouldn't make people think DOTM is any better than it already isn't.
There's still a lot of good things about the Oscars. It's a red-carpet event so we get some of the best fashions for the year, when the host is good we get funny performances and if nobody cares about who wins the awards it's not hurting anyone.
Posted by Starscream GaGa on February 27th, 2012 @ 10:25pm CST
Capt.Failure wrote:Willfully missing the "extreme conservative views" part much? Many of those independent films that win are some of the most oscar-bait crap I've ever seen. The Oscars are a joke no matter how you swing it.
My bad. I focused on the entirely ridiculous part of your post instead of the whiny.
I'm really not getting the whole hate for the Oscars thing. There is no monetary award and getting an Oscar wouldn't make people think DOTM is any better than it already isn't.
There's still a lot of good things about the Oscars. It's a red-carpet event so we get some of the best fashions for the year, when the host is good we get funny performances and if nobody cares about who wins the awards it's not hurting anyone.
Re: Transformers Dark of the Moon Strikes Out at the Oscars (1352732)
Posted by Capt.Failure on February 27th, 2012 @ 10:35pm CST
I always did love your ability to resort to insulting people rather than try to bring up a convincing argument.
You've also gone and proven you think that it's a glorified popularity contest with your latter statement. So by extension why do you care if Transformers didn't win? It sure seemed worth laughing at didn't it.
Since you must know, Oscar hate is valid because any institution that tries to apply quality in an untrustworthy way is worth condemnation. It's the same reason video game reviewers are looked upon with scorn since no AAA title is released without all the big name critics in the pocket of developers.
It works the same way with film critics too, lest you forget Ebert thought Garfield and Knowing where four star quality.
Posted by Capt.Failure on February 27th, 2012 @ 10:35pm CST
Starscream GaGa wrote:Capt.Failure wrote:Willfully missing the "extreme conservative views" part much? Many of those independent films that win are some of the most oscar-bait crap I've ever seen. The Oscars are a joke no matter how you swing it.
My bad. I focused on the entirely ridiculous part of your post instead of the whiny.
I'm really not getting the whole hate for the Oscars thing. There is no monetary award and getting an Oscar wouldn't make people think DOTM is any better than it already isn't.
There's still a lot of good things about the Oscars. It's a red-carpet event so we get some of the best fashions for the year, when the host is good we get funny performances and if nobody cares about who wins the awards it's not hurting anyone.
I always did love your ability to resort to insulting people rather than try to bring up a convincing argument.
You've also gone and proven you think that it's a glorified popularity contest with your latter statement. So by extension why do you care if Transformers didn't win? It sure seemed worth laughing at didn't it.
Since you must know, Oscar hate is valid because any institution that tries to apply quality in an untrustworthy way is worth condemnation. It's the same reason video game reviewers are looked upon with scorn since no AAA title is released without all the big name critics in the pocket of developers.
It works the same way with film critics too, lest you forget Ebert thought Garfield and Knowing where four star quality.
Re: Transformers Dark of the Moon Strikes Out at the Oscars (1352734)
Posted by 5150 Cruiser on February 27th, 2012 @ 10:38pm CST
Oh, i agree with you. Back in the 70's Dustin hoffman called the Oscars the biggest joke of the film industry. Making claims that it was rigged and that everyone knew who was going to win before they even won... That is untill, he won an Oscar. all of a sudden it was the biggest honor in his career.
So would you care if did win an award? Would you actually aknowledge DOTM is being good in the related catagorey it won?
Posted by 5150 Cruiser on February 27th, 2012 @ 10:38pm CST
RhA wrote:5150 Cruiser wrote:Dorkimus wrote: BTW; many of you who have posted critical comments here were most likely exited to hear about TF3 getting nominated some months ago, but now suddenly oscars are just a joke, bullshit, rigged etc. Funny how it always goes. Then again, should TF3 had won something, would you still consider oscars being a joke, bs and so on. Obviously yes, for that's what you are saying here.
Like i said, its a double edge sword. If the movie had won awards many of the "haters" would have made simular excuses that those that are upset that the movie didn't win. Now keep in mind i said many and not all. many here that have called "bullshit" vocalized before hand that they knew DOTM weren't going to win. Once i saw the nominees i knew DOTM along with others that were truely worthy of the visual awards (planet of the Apes), they weren't going to win. They rarely if ever do. These awards always focus on the "arts-y" type movies. NOt action pop corn flicks.
Really though, I think it's bullpoop, TF's or not.
Oh, i agree with you. Back in the 70's Dustin hoffman called the Oscars the biggest joke of the film industry. Making claims that it was rigged and that everyone knew who was going to win before they even won... That is untill, he won an Oscar. all of a sudden it was the biggest honor in his career.
Starscream GaGa wrote: Transfans would care if DOTM had won an award.
So would you care if did win an award? Would you actually aknowledge DOTM is being good in the related catagorey it won?
Re: Transformers Dark of the Moon Strikes Out at the Oscars (1352735)
Posted by Heavy B on February 27th, 2012 @ 10:42pm CST
Posted by Heavy B on February 27th, 2012 @ 10:42pm CST
Watching the colbert report. I know he's a parody of real pundits, but still nice to see someone stick up for DOTM
Re: Transformers Dark of the Moon Strikes Out at the Oscars (1352738)
Posted by Starscream GaGa on February 27th, 2012 @ 10:43pm CST
Except not, because what you said was the entirely unbacked up argument and instead of rebutting me, you turned to the fact that you had said something else in the post. So, please, don't insult my ability to argue,
Um, no. Being entertained by the entertainment in the Oscar awards proves nothing. It just means I don't find it boring.
And I really don't care if they won or didn't win, I do care that Transfans are making a gigantic deal over the fact that they didn't win, even though they knew they wouldn't.
Did I say that it wasn't good in the categories in was nominated in? Ever?
Nope. Because it DID have good Visual Effects and Sound mixing.
Posted by Starscream GaGa on February 27th, 2012 @ 10:43pm CST
Capt.Failure wrote:I always did love your ability to resort to insulting people rather than try to bring up a convincing argument.
Except not, because what you said was the entirely unbacked up argument and instead of rebutting me, you turned to the fact that you had said something else in the post. So, please, don't insult my ability to argue,
Capt.Failure wrote:You've also gone and proven you think that it's a glorified popularity contest with your latter statement. So by extension why do you care if Transformers didn't win? It sure seemed worth laughing at didn't it.
Um, no. Being entertained by the entertainment in the Oscar awards proves nothing. It just means I don't find it boring.
And I really don't care if they won or didn't win, I do care that Transfans are making a gigantic deal over the fact that they didn't win, even though they knew they wouldn't.
5150 Cruiser wrote:Starscream GaGa wrote: Transfans would care if DOTM had won an award.
So would you care if did win an award? Would you actually aknowledge DOTM is being good in the related catagorey it won?
Did I say that it wasn't good in the categories in was nominated in? Ever?
Nope. Because it DID have good Visual Effects and Sound mixing.
Re: Transformers Dark of the Moon Strikes Out at the Oscars (1352741)
Posted by Capt.Failure on February 27th, 2012 @ 10:59pm CST
You're talking about people who say we should think these films are bad since, as they say, "The director hated them, so you should to!" (nevermind that Bay's words about RotF amounted to "I could have done better," hardly a declaration of hate) and don't stop to think that by such logic Citizen Kane is a horrible move since it's director also hated it. There's probably a couple dozen other classics I could add to that as well. Star Wars comes to mind based on all the fixes over the years.
Posted by Capt.Failure on February 27th, 2012 @ 10:59pm CST
5150 Cruiser wrote:RhA wrote:5150 Cruiser wrote:Dorkimus wrote: BTW; many of you who have posted critical comments here were most likely exited to hear about TF3 getting nominated some months ago, but now suddenly oscars are just a joke, bullshit, rigged etc. Funny how it always goes. Then again, should TF3 had won something, would you still consider oscars being a joke, bs and so on. Obviously yes, for that's what you are saying here.
Like i said, its a double edge sword. If the movie had won awards many of the "haters" would have made simular excuses that those that are upset that the movie didn't win. Now keep in mind i said many and not all. many here that have called "bullshit" vocalized before hand that they knew DOTM weren't going to win. Once i saw the nominees i knew DOTM along with others that were truely worthy of the visual awards (planet of the Apes), they weren't going to win. They rarely if ever do. These awards always focus on the "arts-y" type movies. NOt action pop corn flicks.
Really though, I think it's bullpoop, TF's or not.
Oh, i agree with you. Back in the 70's Dustin hoffman called the Oscars the biggest joke of the film industry. Making claims that it was rigged and that everyone knew who was going to win before they even won... That is untill, he won an Oscar. all of a sudden it was the biggest honor in his career.Starscream GaGa wrote: Transfans would care if DOTM had won an award.
So would you care if did win an award? Would you actually aknowledge DOTM is being good in the related catagorey it won?
You're talking about people who say we should think these films are bad since, as they say, "The director hated them, so you should to!" (nevermind that Bay's words about RotF amounted to "I could have done better," hardly a declaration of hate) and don't stop to think that by such logic Citizen Kane is a horrible move since it's director also hated it. There's probably a couple dozen other classics I could add to that as well. Star Wars comes to mind based on all the fixes over the years.
Re: Transformers Dark of the Moon Strikes Out at the Oscars (1352743)
Posted by 5150 Cruiser on February 27th, 2012 @ 11:01pm CST
Um, no. Being entertained by the entertainment in the Oscar awards proves nothing. It just means I don't find it boring.
Actually, if you read back there's just as many haters making a big deal as the ones who liked the movie. And if you didn't care if it won or not, then why bother even posting in this thread? You weren't provoked in any way. You came on your own. even before it made front page news or anyone else made any coments about it winning or loosing.
Then you take it upon yourself to make a thread about DOTM being nominated for razzies.
Ya, you don't care.
Posted by 5150 Cruiser on February 27th, 2012 @ 11:01pm CST
Capt.Failure wrote:You've also gone and proven you think that it's a glorified popularity contest with your latter statement. So by extension why do you care if Transformers didn't win? It sure seemed worth laughing at didn't it.
Um, no. Being entertained by the entertainment in the Oscar awards proves nothing. It just means I don't find it boring.
Starscream GaGa wrote:And I really don't car eif they won or didn't win, I do care that Transfans are making a gigantic deal over the fact that they won, even though they knew they wouldn't.
Actually, if you read back there's just as many haters making a big deal as the ones who liked the movie. And if you didn't care if it won or not, then why bother even posting in this thread? You weren't provoked in any way. You came on your own. even before it made front page news or anyone else made any coments about it winning or loosing.
Then you take it upon yourself to make a thread about DOTM being nominated for razzies.
Ya, you don't care.
Re: Transformers Dark of the Moon Strikes Out at the Oscars (1352746)
Posted by Starscream GaGa on February 27th, 2012 @ 11:03pm CST
You're obsession with bringing up Citizen Kane in every second thread about the Transformers movies is a little concerning
The same can really be said both ways. If the Oscars are so much a joke it doesn't matter that they lost, why bother posting? They provocation was the bitching.
The Razzies are hilarious. The anti-Oscars and relevant to Transformers. I'm surprised a thread hadn't already been made.
Posted by Starscream GaGa on February 27th, 2012 @ 11:03pm CST
Capt.Failure wrote:You're talking about people who say we should think these films are bad since, as they say, "The director hated them, so you should to!" (nevermind that Bay's words about RotF amounted to "I could have done better," hardly a declaration of hate) and don't stop to think that by such logic Citizen Kane is a horrible move since it's director also hated it. There's probably a couple dozen other classics I could add to that as well. Star Wars comes to mind based on all the fixes over the years.
You're obsession with bringing up Citizen Kane in every second thread about the Transformers movies is a little concerning
5150 Cruiser wrote:\And if you didn't care if it won or not, then why bother even posting in this thread? You weren't provoked in any way. You came on your own. even before it made front page news or anyone else made any coments about it winning or loosing.
The same can really be said both ways. If the Oscars are so much a joke it doesn't matter that they lost, why bother posting? They provocation was the bitching.
5150 Cruiser wrote:Then you take it upon yourself to make a thread about DOTM being nominated for razzies.
The Razzies are hilarious. The anti-Oscars and relevant to Transformers. I'm surprised a thread hadn't already been made.
Re: Transformers Dark of the Moon Strikes Out at the Oscars (1352749)
Posted by Capt.Failure on February 27th, 2012 @ 11:06pm CST
So you admit I'm right by attempting to dodge the matter at hand? Thank you for being honest.
Posted by Capt.Failure on February 27th, 2012 @ 11:06pm CST
Starscream GaGa wrote:Capt.Failure wrote:You're talking about people who say we should think these films are bad since, as they say, "The director hated them, so you should to!" (nevermind that Bay's words about RotF amounted to "I could have done better," hardly a declaration of hate) and don't stop to think that by such logic Citizen Kane is a horrible move since it's director also hated it. There's probably a couple dozen other classics I could add to that as well. Star Wars comes to mind based on all the fixes over the years.
You're obsession with bringing up Citizen Kane in every second thread about the Transformers movies is a little concerning...
So you admit I'm right by attempting to dodge the matter at hand? Thank you for being honest.
Re: Transformers Dark of the Moon Strikes Out at the Oscars (1352751)
Posted by Starscream GaGa on February 27th, 2012 @ 11:11pm CST
No, that doesn't make any sense. You're not in primary school, you can't say "you admit it by accident NAH NAH I win" and expect a pat on the back. What matter? Just above that post I had said that I'm not denying that DOTM had good Special Effects and Sound. Your post as a whole was entirely irrelevant. You're throwing around baggage over a debate that happened months ago. It is not need or relevant in this thread.
Posted by Starscream GaGa on February 27th, 2012 @ 11:11pm CST
Capt.Failure wrote:So you admit I'm right by attempting to dodge the matter at hand? Thank you for being honest.
No, that doesn't make any sense. You're not in primary school, you can't say "you admit it by accident NAH NAH I win" and expect a pat on the back. What matter? Just above that post I had said that I'm not denying that DOTM had good Special Effects and Sound. Your post as a whole was entirely irrelevant. You're throwing around baggage over a debate that happened months ago. It is not need or relevant in this thread.
Re: Transformers Dark of the Moon Strikes Out at the Oscars (1352755)
Posted by Capt.Failure on February 27th, 2012 @ 11:19pm CST
I guess billions in revenue is pretty much a complete failure of a film, right? Or maybe the opinions of all those people who enjoyed them despite critical opinion? Or maybe all those new fans of Transformers we have now due to the films release? There are many roads to success, not just the ones you choose to suit your worldview.
I'll be polite and wait for you to raise the goalpost like someone who apparently doesn't care.
In before: "popularity doesn't mean it's good." Whether it was good or not is subjective.
Posted by Capt.Failure on February 27th, 2012 @ 11:19pm CST
Starscream GaGa wrote:Capt.Failure wrote:So you admit I'm right by attempting to dodge the matter at hand? Thank you for being honest.
What matter? Just above that post I had said that I'm not denying that DOTM had good Special Effects and Sound. Your post as a whole was entirely irrelevant.
Of course, one could point out that movies such as Citizen Kane are constantly acknowledged for their success, unlike Transformers and as such are completely incomparable, but meh.
I guess billions in revenue is pretty much a complete failure of a film, right? Or maybe the opinions of all those people who enjoyed them despite critical opinion? Or maybe all those new fans of Transformers we have now due to the films release? There are many roads to success, not just the ones you choose to suit your worldview.
I'll be polite and wait for you to raise the goalpost like someone who apparently doesn't care.
In before: "popularity doesn't mean it's good." Whether it was good or not is subjective.
