Transformers Combiner Wars Defensor In Hand
Tuesday, April 14th, 2015 12:22AM CDT
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As expected Genetic of TFND comes through with the Combiner Wars Protectobots fully combined into Defensor! Well, almost since Legends Groove is absent. He shows off Defensor in a bunch of poses and configurations, and looks like he will make a fine addition to everyone's Combiner Wars collection. According to online retailers this wave is slated to hit our shores in April... so perhaps it's time to begin the hunt? Scroll down to see Defensor in all his glory, and stay tuned to Seibertron.com for all your Transformers News!
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Re: Transformers Combiner Wars Defensor In Hand (1675022)
Posted by Sabrblade on April 14th, 2015 @ 12:24am CDT
Posted by Sabrblade on April 14th, 2015 @ 12:24am CDT
Something about Defensor's proportions just make him seen very squat. Like he looks wider than he is tall or something.
Maybe he'd look better-proportioned if his thighs were thinner or something.
Maybe he'd look better-proportioned if his thighs were thinner or something.
Re: Transformers Combiner Wars Defensor In Hand (1675024)
Posted by Crosscheck on April 14th, 2015 @ 12:38am CDT
Posted by Crosscheck on April 14th, 2015 @ 12:38am CDT
I like his proportions. It is better than Superion's ONLY flaw, his spindly thighs. But yeah, he looks kinda squat. Still, looks pretty awesome.
I like that they even have him mostly in the set-up that I am going to put him in (RA-Blades, LA-First Aid, RL-Rook, LL-Streetwise). Rook looks pretty good as a leg. The only thing about this set-up that I don't care for is that I will have both of the First Aid/Offroad molds in the same spot on their combiner. Blades/Alpha Bravo are both arms, just not the same arm.
I like that they even have him mostly in the set-up that I am going to put him in (RA-Blades, LA-First Aid, RL-Rook, LL-Streetwise). Rook looks pretty good as a leg. The only thing about this set-up that I don't care for is that I will have both of the First Aid/Offroad molds in the same spot on their combiner. Blades/Alpha Bravo are both arms, just not the same arm.
Re: Transformers Combiner Wars Defensor In Hand (1675025)
Posted by Genericon #378 on April 14th, 2015 @ 12:40am CDT
Hmmm, what should the new member for the AERIALbots transform into? I've got it.......a helicopter!
Posted by Genericon #378 on April 14th, 2015 @ 12:40am CDT
TimothyR wrote:Superginraix wrote:MrBlack wrote:Yotsuyasan wrote:MrBlack wrote:Because Alpha Bravo has ALWAYS BEEN AN AERIALBOT.
Funny. I just watched The Key to Vector Sigma last night, and I could swear there were five jets, including some guy named Slingshot who was kind of a jerk to Ironhide, and in fact the most prominent member of the team in their introductory episode aside from Silverbolt. And I didn't see any Alpha Bravo anywhere...
So, er, define "always," please. Because the way I understood the word, it was not a subjective word.
Lies. Alpha Bravo has ALWAYS BEEN AN AERIALBOT.
I know it's a Photoshop. I just find some of the venom directed at Alpha Bravo a little ridiculous, and the idea that he has retroactively been made a G1 Aerialbot to destroy the childhood of his naysayers strikes me as funny.
QUIT DESTROYING MY CHILDHOOD MRBLACK!!!
it has nothing to do with destroying anyone's childhood.. it has to do with the fact that it's been thirty years since we've gotten proper combiners. to make them the right way now, but just decide to completely change a member of each team for absolutely no other reason than them being greedy IS a problem.. it's not ruining my childhood, but it's crushing my faith in hasbro which has already been squashed enough as it is.
it's great that they are releasing both slingshot and wildrider.. but it doesn't look like we'll be getting a proper groove. so, that sucks.
it'd be like starting a generations line and not including an optimus prime, but instead, they just out of the blue invent a brand new autobot leader.. so, you'd have all of the other classic autobots being lead by a brand new leader for absolutely no reason. it's just not right and it's easy to see why it would piss some people off.
if they really wanted to add a new member, they should've started with the proper teams first, then introduce the new characters later.
i'm all for new characters, bulkhead, lockdown, the movie decepticons, all really cool. adding a helicopter to a team of combining jets is stupid. adding an SUV to a limb team of sports cars is stupid. now.. had they released the original team first, then in a later wave introduced the new characters in the pack in comics, that would've been pretty cool. but that's not how it went down.
it's a clear money grab. wait until both alpha bravo and offroad had sold a bunch, then reveal slingshot and wildrider online.. that's pretty low.
Hmmm, what should the new member for the AERIALbots transform into? I've got it.......a helicopter!
Re: Transformers Combiner Wars Defensor In Hand (1675027)
Posted by Crosscheck on April 14th, 2015 @ 12:46am CDT
Posted by Crosscheck on April 14th, 2015 @ 12:46am CDT
I think it would be hilarious if Hasbro reissued the G1 Aerialbots, but instead of including Slingshot...or Quickslinger, they include a white repaint of Vortex as Alpha Bravo.
Re: Transformers Combiner Wars Defensor In Hand (1675028)
Posted by SW's SilverHammer on April 14th, 2015 @ 12:51am CDT
aer·i·al
ˈerēəl/
adjective
1.
existing, happening, or operating in the air.
"an aerial battle"
my god, it doesn't just mean jets
Posted by SW's SilverHammer on April 14th, 2015 @ 12:51am CDT
Genericon #378 wrote:TimothyR wrote:Superginraix wrote:MrBlack wrote:Yotsuyasan wrote:MrBlack wrote:Because Alpha Bravo has ALWAYS BEEN AN AERIALBOT.
Funny. I just watched The Key to Vector Sigma last night, and I could swear there were five jets, including some guy named Slingshot who was kind of a jerk to Ironhide, and in fact the most prominent member of the team in their introductory episode aside from Silverbolt. And I didn't see any Alpha Bravo anywhere...
So, er, define "always," please. Because the way I understood the word, it was not a subjective word.
Lies. Alpha Bravo has ALWAYS BEEN AN AERIALBOT.
I know it's a Photoshop. I just find some of the venom directed at Alpha Bravo a little ridiculous, and the idea that he has retroactively been made a G1 Aerialbot to destroy the childhood of his naysayers strikes me as funny.
QUIT DESTROYING MY CHILDHOOD MRBLACK!!!
it has nothing to do with destroying anyone's childhood.. it has to do with the fact that it's been thirty years since we've gotten proper combiners. to make them the right way now, but just decide to completely change a member of each team for absolutely no other reason than them being greedy IS a problem.. it's not ruining my childhood, but it's crushing my faith in hasbro which has already been squashed enough as it is.
it's great that they are releasing both slingshot and wildrider.. but it doesn't look like we'll be getting a proper groove. so, that sucks.
it'd be like starting a generations line and not including an optimus prime, but instead, they just out of the blue invent a brand new autobot leader.. so, you'd have all of the other classic autobots being lead by a brand new leader for absolutely no reason. it's just not right and it's easy to see why it would piss some people off.
if they really wanted to add a new member, they should've started with the proper teams first, then introduce the new characters later.
i'm all for new characters, bulkhead, lockdown, the movie decepticons, all really cool. adding a helicopter to a team of combining jets is stupid. adding an SUV to a limb team of sports cars is stupid. now.. had they released the original team first, then in a later wave introduced the new characters in the pack in comics, that would've been pretty cool. but that's not how it went down.
it's a clear money grab. wait until both alpha bravo and offroad had sold a bunch, then reveal slingshot and wildrider online.. that's pretty low.
Hmmm, what should the new member for the AERIALbots transform into? I've got it.......a helicopter!
aer·i·al
ˈerēəl/
adjective
1.
existing, happening, or operating in the air.
"an aerial battle"
my god, it doesn't just mean jets
Re: Transformers Combiner Wars Defensor In Hand (1675037)
Posted by Bumblevivisector on April 14th, 2015 @ 1:58am CDT
Now wait a sec, that just crossed a line into the same semiotic exclusion principle debates that ultimately led "Seeker" to be diverged from all official synonyms containing "jet", "plane", "sky", etc. since they could apply to hundreds of other TFs not associated with said body type. That line of reasoning opens the door to Doubleheader, Gurafi, and all 5 cartoon Dinobots being Aerialbots too. Nuh-uh. This debate has already reached Bay-vian levels of predictable monotony, the dullness of which must not spiral out further.
A character is an Aerialbot if officially cited as such, as Alpha Bravo is; to argue otherwise without specifying continuity and sentience is meaningless fanwank. However, there's nothing new or original about his being a helicopter Aerialbot, as Ro-tor, Chopper Drone, and Combat Helicopter Drone all beat him to it. For that matter, a hot-air-balloon Aerialbot precedes the first of them by 2 decades. I can assume without checking that -blade and/or -rabbit have already pointed this out.
Yet despite being 4th whirlybird to the party at best, Alpha Bravo is so awesome that his mom was also in every G1 episode, and they were able to achieve wincest from the very beginning, like his namesake and Bunny. I will keep repeating that whenever this thread reaches omnidichronexversal fracture points of stupidity, until such time as I am banned.
...
Soooo, any signs of Rook being able to attach a scout in kneecap configuration, or have we heard definitively that Groove only goes on the chest?
Posted by Bumblevivisector on April 14th, 2015 @ 1:58am CDT
SW's SilverHammer wrote:Genericon #378 wrote:TimothyR wrote:Superginraix wrote:MrBlack wrote:Yotsuyasan wrote:MrBlack wrote:Because Alpha Bravo has ALWAYS BEEN AN AERIALBOT.
Funny. I just watched The Key to Vector Sigma last night, and I could swear there were five jets, including some guy named Slingshot who was kind of a jerk to Ironhide, and in fact the most prominent member of the team in their introductory episode aside from Silverbolt. And I didn't see any Alpha Bravo anywhere...
So, er, define "always," please. Because the way I understood the word, it was not a subjective word.
Lies. Alpha Bravo has ALWAYS BEEN AN AERIALBOT.
I know it's a Photoshop. I just find some of the venom directed at Alpha Bravo a little ridiculous, and the idea that he has retroactively been made a G1 Aerialbot to destroy the childhood of his naysayers strikes me as funny.
QUIT DESTROYING MY CHILDHOOD MRBLACK!!!
it has nothing to do with destroying anyone's childhood.. it has to do with the fact that it's been thirty years since we've gotten proper combiners. to make them the right way now, but just decide to completely change a member of each team for absolutely no other reason than them being greedy IS a problem.. it's not ruining my childhood, but it's crushing my faith in hasbro which has already been squashed enough as it is.
it's great that they are releasing both slingshot and wildrider.. but it doesn't look like we'll be getting a proper groove. so, that sucks.
it'd be like starting a generations line and not including an optimus prime, but instead, they just out of the blue invent a brand new autobot leader.. so, you'd have all of the other classic autobots being lead by a brand new leader for absolutely no reason. it's just not right and it's easy to see why it would piss some people off.
if they really wanted to add a new member, they should've started with the proper teams first, then introduce the new characters later.
i'm all for new characters, bulkhead, lockdown, the movie decepticons, all really cool. adding a helicopter to a team of combining jets is stupid. adding an SUV to a limb team of sports cars is stupid. now.. had they released the original team first, then in a later wave introduced the new characters in the pack in comics, that would've been pretty cool. but that's not how it went down.
it's a clear money grab. wait until both alpha bravo and offroad had sold a bunch, then reveal slingshot and wildrider online.. that's pretty low.
Hmmm, what should the new member for the AERIALbots transform into? I've got it.......a helicopter!
aer·i·al
ˈerēəl/
adjective
1.
existing, happening, or operating in the air.
"an aerial battle"
my god, it doesn't just mean jets
Now wait a sec, that just crossed a line into the same semiotic exclusion principle debates that ultimately led "Seeker" to be diverged from all official synonyms containing "jet", "plane", "sky", etc. since they could apply to hundreds of other TFs not associated with said body type. That line of reasoning opens the door to Doubleheader, Gurafi, and all 5 cartoon Dinobots being Aerialbots too. Nuh-uh. This debate has already reached Bay-vian levels of predictable monotony, the dullness of which must not spiral out further.
A character is an Aerialbot if officially cited as such, as Alpha Bravo is; to argue otherwise without specifying continuity and sentience is meaningless fanwank. However, there's nothing new or original about his being a helicopter Aerialbot, as Ro-tor, Chopper Drone, and Combat Helicopter Drone all beat him to it. For that matter, a hot-air-balloon Aerialbot precedes the first of them by 2 decades. I can assume without checking that -blade and/or -rabbit have already pointed this out.
Yet despite being 4th whirlybird to the party at best, Alpha Bravo is so awesome that his mom was also in every G1 episode, and they were able to achieve wincest from the very beginning, like his namesake and Bunny. I will keep repeating that whenever this thread reaches omnidichronexversal fracture points of stupidity, until such time as I am banned.
...
Soooo, any signs of Rook being able to attach a scout in kneecap configuration, or have we heard definitively that Groove only goes on the chest?
Re: Transformers Combiner Wars Defensor In Hand (1675051)
Posted by Amelie on April 14th, 2015 @ 5:17am CDT
Posted by Amelie on April 14th, 2015 @ 5:17am CDT
Oh man - this conversation is hilarious.
For a start, this is "Combiner Wars", not G1. They're homages at best and if you want the G1 experience - buy G1 or a Masterpiece. This is the "Combiner Wars" iteration of the "Aerialbots" and since its Hasbro and its their franchise, they can put whoever they want into the team and make it official.
If the whole thing is enraging you, you really need to take in some deep breaths and remember - its a children's toy, designed to be played with. You don't 'have to' or 'need' any of these toys. I personally love G1 which is why I buy G1 toys - I don't buy a modern figure and fool myself into thinking that every Classics\Universe\Generations\ECT release is going to straight up be a G1 update because I know it won't.
That said - Defensor is awesome. Rook looks great and I always thought Groove was a stupid idea as a kid.
For a start, this is "Combiner Wars", not G1. They're homages at best and if you want the G1 experience - buy G1 or a Masterpiece. This is the "Combiner Wars" iteration of the "Aerialbots" and since its Hasbro and its their franchise, they can put whoever they want into the team and make it official.
If the whole thing is enraging you, you really need to take in some deep breaths and remember - its a children's toy, designed to be played with. You don't 'have to' or 'need' any of these toys. I personally love G1 which is why I buy G1 toys - I don't buy a modern figure and fool myself into thinking that every Classics\Universe\Generations\ECT release is going to straight up be a G1 update because I know it won't.
That said - Defensor is awesome. Rook looks great and I always thought Groove was a stupid idea as a kid.
Re: Transformers Combiner Wars Defensor In Hand (1675053)
Posted by RhA on April 14th, 2015 @ 5:27am CDT
'Hilarious' might be phrasing it wrong. I'm leaning towards 'sad', 'redundant' or 'exactly what normal people think Transformers fans do all the time'. Or a combination of everything.
After all, these *ARE* the Combiner (flame-)Wars.
Posted by RhA on April 14th, 2015 @ 5:27am CDT
Amelie wrote:Oh man - this conversation is hilarious.
'Hilarious' might be phrasing it wrong. I'm leaning towards 'sad', 'redundant' or 'exactly what normal people think Transformers fans do all the time'. Or a combination of everything.
After all, these *ARE* the Combiner (flame-)Wars.
Re: Transformers Combiner Wars Defensor In Hand (1675060)
Posted by Rated X on April 14th, 2015 @ 5:57am CDT
Posted by Rated X on April 14th, 2015 @ 5:57am CDT
Defensor is going to need some seroius 3rd party help to hide those monkey arms. A proper Groove would be nice too. Rook is pure garbage.
Re: Transformers Combiner Wars Defensor In Hand (1675061)
Posted by Yotsuyasan on April 14th, 2015 @ 6:04am CDT
Saying this as someone who is kind of trying to be a G1 purist with his combiners, and thus never had any plans to buy Alpha Bravo and ordered the Takara Superion...
I dunno, Rook kind of doesn't seem as bad. I suppose it helps that, even if downgraded to chest plate, at least Groove is still a part of the team. So Defensor does still contain all five of his original members. But I won't be upset to have Rook in my collection.
Granted, that all being said, if Takara announces their Defensor tomorrow and it has a Deluxe Groove that looks pretty good, I may have some pre-orders to cancel! But even if that happens, unlike Alpha Bravo, I may still try to snag Rook separately.
Not sure if I should hold my breath, though. Unlike Slingshot and Wildrider, who would Takara make Groove from? Unless there is an as yet unrevealed motorcycle mold (perhaps being developed for Computron), there isn't exactly a ready to go pre-existing mold for Takara to redeco as Groove like they did for the other two Hasbro-replaced Combiner Wars limbs.
Posted by Yotsuyasan on April 14th, 2015 @ 6:04am CDT
Rated X wrote:A proper Groove would be nice too. Rook is pure garbage.
Saying this as someone who is kind of trying to be a G1 purist with his combiners, and thus never had any plans to buy Alpha Bravo and ordered the Takara Superion...
I dunno, Rook kind of doesn't seem as bad. I suppose it helps that, even if downgraded to chest plate, at least Groove is still a part of the team. So Defensor does still contain all five of his original members. But I won't be upset to have Rook in my collection.
Granted, that all being said, if Takara announces their Defensor tomorrow and it has a Deluxe Groove that looks pretty good, I may have some pre-orders to cancel! But even if that happens, unlike Alpha Bravo, I may still try to snag Rook separately.
Not sure if I should hold my breath, though. Unlike Slingshot and Wildrider, who would Takara make Groove from? Unless there is an as yet unrevealed motorcycle mold (perhaps being developed for Computron), there isn't exactly a ready to go pre-existing mold for Takara to redeco as Groove like they did for the other two Hasbro-replaced Combiner Wars limbs.
Re: Transformers Combiner Wars Defensor In Hand (1675067)
Posted by Alpha Dominus on April 14th, 2015 @ 6:44am CDT
Posted by Alpha Dominus on April 14th, 2015 @ 6:44am CDT
I haven't finished my Superion yet but if Defensor's articulation is an indication of what all the other combiners can pull off I'm super excited to form these gestalts. Also digging the scaffolding on his shoulder's. Sort of gives him a tough, industrial appearance. Also, is that battle damage directly on the mold of his face? I like it-also adds to that tough-guy, battletorn look.
Re: Transformers Combiner Wars Defensor In Hand (1675074)
Posted by peaces on April 14th, 2015 @ 7:55am CDT
Posted by peaces on April 14th, 2015 @ 7:55am CDT
first aid looks great as a leg due to all the colors on white. he looks too busy as an arm. rook looks better as a leg. streetwise better as an arm. and blades better as an arm due to the silver parts. i will probably take a silver sharpie to the wheels. thinking of how i can turn defensor's eyes into a visor. maybe add more blue or silver to his face.
Re: Transformers Combiner Wars Defensor In Hand (1675089)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on April 14th, 2015 @ 8:39am CDT
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on April 14th, 2015 @ 8:39am CDT
And the Combined mode did not in any way fail to impress. That is a good looking Defensor, especially since he is the first since the 1980's. I am very impressed, and I cannot wait to get this guy. I really like Rook and the whole system works for me, especially since Groove is still there as a pretty cool chestplate. I'm trying to get the wave 2 deluxes to finish off my first 2 combiners, so this guy will probably hit my desk top sometime in the fall. Can't come soon enough!
P.S. I can see the real potential for Nexus Prime. I hope they make him along with the Fan-built combiner, Computron and Bruticus next year. That would be awesome!
P.S. I can see the real potential for Nexus Prime. I hope they make him along with the Fan-built combiner, Computron and Bruticus next year. That would be awesome!
Re: Transformers Combiner Wars Defensor In Hand (1675092)
Posted by megatronus on April 14th, 2015 @ 9:01am CDT
Posted by megatronus on April 14th, 2015 @ 9:01am CDT
Nexus Prime = TFSS 4.0?
Re: Transformers Combiner Wars Defensor In Hand (1675093)
Posted by shajaki on April 14th, 2015 @ 9:05am CDT
Posted by shajaki on April 14th, 2015 @ 9:05am CDT
Now I wonder, is this just auto-hate for the noob or do you genuinely dislike Rook? Will you hate him just as much when he's retooled into Brawl?Rated X wrote:Rook is pure garbage.
Re: Transformers Combiner Wars Defensor In Hand (1675099)
Posted by RiddlerJ on April 14th, 2015 @ 9:25am CDT
Posted by RiddlerJ on April 14th, 2015 @ 9:25am CDT
I'm liking that Defensor. To be fair, I thought the G1 Defensor was one of the better built combiners. He was pretty solid and sturdy, nothing flopping around.
I don't mind if the combiners are a little awkward in their construction. They're supposed to be powerful machines for emergencies. Not something that needs to comfortably walk around day to day.
I don't mind if the combiners are a little awkward in their construction. They're supposed to be powerful machines for emergencies. Not something that needs to comfortably walk around day to day.
Re: Transformers Combiner Wars Defensor In Hand (1675101)
Posted by Shuttershock on April 14th, 2015 @ 9:27am CDT
Knowing Rated X, I'd say he will.
Posted by Shuttershock on April 14th, 2015 @ 9:27am CDT
shajaki wrote:Now I wonder, is this just auto-hate for the noob or do you genuinely dislike Rook? Will you hate him just as much when he's retooled into Brawl?Rated X wrote:Rook is pure garbage.
Knowing Rated X, I'd say he will.
Re: Transformers Combiner Wars Defensor In Hand (1675105)
Posted by RhA on April 14th, 2015 @ 9:40am CDT
While I agree, I do remember the Headmasters series where these guys where combining so much and so often, they might as well be made for constant use.
Or the teams REALLY started to like each other so much that they wanted to stay together.
Which is fine.
I mean, they're all consenting adults, right?
Who am I to judge?
Posted by RhA on April 14th, 2015 @ 9:40am CDT
RiddlerJ wrote:I'm liking that Defensor. To be fair, I thought the G1 Defensor was one of the better built combiners. He was pretty solid and sturdy, nothing flopping around.
I don't mind if the combiners are a little awkward in their construction. They're supposed to be powerful machines for emergencies. Not something that needs to comfortably walk around day to day.
While I agree, I do remember the Headmasters series where these guys where combining so much and so often, they might as well be made for constant use.
Or the teams REALLY started to like each other so much that they wanted to stay together.
Which is fine.
I mean, they're all consenting adults, right?
Who am I to judge?
Re: Transformers Combiner Wars Defensor In Hand (1675107)
Posted by Shockwave7 on April 14th, 2015 @ 9:43am CDT
Posted by Shockwave7 on April 14th, 2015 @ 9:43am CDT
Aw, heck yeah. I had G1 Defensor, and always thought he was kind of a throwaway creation - made simply to give the autobots another combiner to 'match' the Combaticons/Bruticus. It always seemed to my mind that Hasbro focused more attention and care into the Combaticons. But when I had G1 Defensor assembled, I was surprised because he turned out be one of the most solid, stable and aesthetically neat combiners.
And Defensor 2015 seems to be carrying on that tradition of pleasant surprise.
I don't mind losing Groove as a limb for the sake of G1 purity. Because it never made sense to me that a 2-wheeler bike would have enough mass to form a proper 'limb' of any kind. Even factoring in the silly phenomenon of mass alteration, it just didn't work in my mind. Proportionally, it makes much more sense to have him as chest armor. This makes sure he's still part of the team, and allows for the addition of Rook, who is much beefier, and makes much more sense to have as an arm or leg to Defensor. (Though I still plan to make him the second 'leg' instead of Streetwise - Rook makes a much better symmetrical match to First Aid in that regard)
Is Defensor 2015 stumpy? Yes. But so is Menasor. And Defensor just looks GOOD. Can't wait to order this one....
And Defensor 2015 seems to be carrying on that tradition of pleasant surprise.
I don't mind losing Groove as a limb for the sake of G1 purity. Because it never made sense to me that a 2-wheeler bike would have enough mass to form a proper 'limb' of any kind. Even factoring in the silly phenomenon of mass alteration, it just didn't work in my mind. Proportionally, it makes much more sense to have him as chest armor. This makes sure he's still part of the team, and allows for the addition of Rook, who is much beefier, and makes much more sense to have as an arm or leg to Defensor. (Though I still plan to make him the second 'leg' instead of Streetwise - Rook makes a much better symmetrical match to First Aid in that regard)
Is Defensor 2015 stumpy? Yes. But so is Menasor. And Defensor just looks GOOD. Can't wait to order this one....
Re: Transformers Combiner Wars Defensor In Hand (1675109)
Posted by Sabrblade on April 14th, 2015 @ 9:49am CDT
Posted by Sabrblade on April 14th, 2015 @ 9:49am CDT
That is not helping either's case. Superion is the only one whose torso looks well proportioned.Shockwave7 wrote:Is Defensor 2015 stumpy? Yes. But so is Menasor.
Re: Transformers Combiner Wars Defensor In Hand (1675113)
Posted by shajaki on April 14th, 2015 @ 10:00am CDT
Posted by shajaki on April 14th, 2015 @ 10:00am CDT
But we've all found ways to make Menasor's proportions better, and I'm betting the same can be done for Defensor.Sabrblade wrote:That is not helping either's case. Superion is the only one whose torso looks well proportioned.Shockwave7 wrote:Is Defensor 2015 stumpy? Yes. But so is Menasor.
Re: Transformers Combiner Wars Defensor In Hand (1675114)
Posted by Sabrblade on April 14th, 2015 @ 10:01am CDT
Posted by Sabrblade on April 14th, 2015 @ 10:01am CDT
Here's hoping.shajaki wrote:But we've all found ways to make Menasor's proportions better, and I'm betting the same can be done for Defensor.Sabrblade wrote:That is not helping either's case. Superion is the only one whose torso looks well proportioned.Shockwave7 wrote:Is Defensor 2015 stumpy? Yes. But so is Menasor.
Re: Transformers Combiner Wars Defensor In Hand (1675115)
Posted by Shockwave7 on April 14th, 2015 @ 10:03am CDT
I'm not making a 'case' for anything. There's no 'case' to be made. People arguing for or against are wasting their time because this is a done deal. Hasbro made these figures. They did it - it's done. Naysayers and promoters alike are merely engaging in academic quibbling because these figures are going to hit the shelves whether people like it or not. And no amount of forum trolling can stop it.
I'm just saying that I like the look, and I'm planning to pick these figures up, stumpy or not. The people who don't like these figures? Totally free to ignore them, just as I did with the Crapper-Crap Combiner line, and with the current RiD line. No skin off my teeth, or theirs. Freedom of choice, dudes. Anyone refusing to buy them only ensures there will be plenty for those of us who are getting them
If any combiner had to be stumpy, Defensor kind of makes sense. He looks like a burly, stocky police enforcer, which kind of goes with his image of defense and protection... That's my rationalization anyway
Posted by Shockwave7 on April 14th, 2015 @ 10:03am CDT
Sabrblade wrote:That is not helping either's case. Superion is the only one whose torso looks well proportioned.
I'm not making a 'case' for anything. There's no 'case' to be made. People arguing for or against are wasting their time because this is a done deal. Hasbro made these figures. They did it - it's done. Naysayers and promoters alike are merely engaging in academic quibbling because these figures are going to hit the shelves whether people like it or not. And no amount of forum trolling can stop it.
I'm just saying that I like the look, and I'm planning to pick these figures up, stumpy or not. The people who don't like these figures? Totally free to ignore them, just as I did with the Crapper-Crap Combiner line, and with the current RiD line. No skin off my teeth, or theirs. Freedom of choice, dudes. Anyone refusing to buy them only ensures there will be plenty for those of us who are getting them
If any combiner had to be stumpy, Defensor kind of makes sense. He looks like a burly, stocky police enforcer, which kind of goes with his image of defense and protection... That's my rationalization anyway
Re: Transformers Combiner Wars Defensor In Hand (1675117)
Posted by peaces on April 14th, 2015 @ 10:19am CDT
Posted by peaces on April 14th, 2015 @ 10:19am CDT
i like when people don't like the stuff i do. makes it easier to find.
Re: Transformers Combiner Wars Defensor In Hand (1675118)
Posted by Genericon #378 on April 14th, 2015 @ 10:19am CDT
I know, that's what I meant when I wrote that.
Posted by Genericon #378 on April 14th, 2015 @ 10:19am CDT
SW's SilverHammer wrote:Genericon #378 wrote:TimothyR wrote:Superginraix wrote:MrBlack wrote:Yotsuyasan wrote:MrBlack wrote:Because Alpha Bravo has ALWAYS BEEN AN AERIALBOT.
Funny. I just watched The Key to Vector Sigma last night, and I could swear there were five jets, including some guy named Slingshot who was kind of a jerk to Ironhide, and in fact the most prominent member of the team in their introductory episode aside from Silverbolt. And I didn't see any Alpha Bravo anywhere...
So, er, define "always," please. Because the way I understood the word, it was not a subjective word.
Lies. Alpha Bravo has ALWAYS BEEN AN AERIALBOT.
I know it's a Photoshop. I just find some of the venom directed at Alpha Bravo a little ridiculous, and the idea that he has retroactively been made a G1 Aerialbot to destroy the childhood of his naysayers strikes me as funny.
QUIT DESTROYING MY CHILDHOOD MRBLACK!!!
it has nothing to do with destroying anyone's childhood.. it has to do with the fact that it's been thirty years since we've gotten proper combiners. to make them the right way now, but just decide to completely change a member of each team for absolutely no other reason than them being greedy IS a problem.. it's not ruining my childhood, but it's crushing my faith in hasbro which has already been squashed enough as it is.
it's great that they are releasing both slingshot and wildrider.. but it doesn't look like we'll be getting a proper groove. so, that sucks.
it'd be like starting a generations line and not including an optimus prime, but instead, they just out of the blue invent a brand new autobot leader.. so, you'd have all of the other classic autobots being lead by a brand new leader for absolutely no reason. it's just not right and it's easy to see why it would piss some people off.
if they really wanted to add a new member, they should've started with the proper teams first, then introduce the new characters later.
i'm all for new characters, bulkhead, lockdown, the movie decepticons, all really cool. adding a helicopter to a team of combining jets is stupid. adding an SUV to a limb team of sports cars is stupid. now.. had they released the original team first, then in a later wave introduced the new characters in the pack in comics, that would've been pretty cool. but that's not how it went down.
it's a clear money grab. wait until both alpha bravo and offroad had sold a bunch, then reveal slingshot and wildrider online.. that's pretty low.
Hmmm, what should the new member for the AERIALbots transform into? I've got it.......a helicopter!
aer·i·al
ˈerēəl/
adjective
1.
existing, happening, or operating in the air.
"an aerial battle"
my god, it doesn't just mean jets
I know, that's what I meant when I wrote that.
Re: Transformers Combiner Wars Defensor In Hand (1675123)
Posted by Optimizzy on April 14th, 2015 @ 10:29am CDT
Posted by Optimizzy on April 14th, 2015 @ 10:29am CDT
Just thinking about this: if sunstreaker is going to be a straight repaint of breakdown I won't be getting him. Despite my not having universe sunstreaker. I hate the robot mode for breakdown. It's his knees and the general blocky ness. I'll be skipping that one I think.
Re: Transformers Combiner Wars Defensor In Hand (1675142)
Posted by megatronus on April 14th, 2015 @ 11:21am CDT
To my eye, Defensor already looks well proportioned.
Am I the only one?
Posted by megatronus on April 14th, 2015 @ 11:21am CDT
Sabrblade wrote:Here's hoping.shajaki wrote:But we've all found ways to make Menasor's proportions better, and I'm betting the same can be done for Defensor.Sabrblade wrote:That is not helping either's case. Superion is the only one whose torso looks well proportioned.Shockwave7 wrote:Is Defensor 2015 stumpy? Yes. But so is Menasor.
To my eye, Defensor already looks well proportioned.
Am I the only one?
Re: Transformers Combiner Wars Defensor In Hand (1675145)
Posted by Bradimus on April 14th, 2015 @ 11:23am CDT
This is why I have no problem with Defensor not having close to perfect proportions. He's a brawler, plain and simple.
As for comparing any combiner to Superion, there is simply no comparisson. We are talking about Superion here, all others are inferior.
Posted by Bradimus on April 14th, 2015 @ 11:23am CDT
Shockwave7 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:That is not helping either's case. Superion is the only one whose torso looks well proportioned.
...
If any combiner had to be stumpy, Defensor kind of makes sense. He looks like a burly, stocky police enforcer, which kind of goes with his image of defense and protection... That's my rationalization anyway
This is why I have no problem with Defensor not having close to perfect proportions. He's a brawler, plain and simple.
As for comparing any combiner to Superion, there is simply no comparisson. We are talking about Superion here, all others are inferior.
Re: Transformers Combiner Wars Defensor In Hand (1675146)
Posted by Rodimus Prime on April 14th, 2015 @ 11:29am CDT
Posted by Rodimus Prime on April 14th, 2015 @ 11:29am CDT
Which is probably why I will get only him from CW. Maybe Devastator, if he looks OK in-hand. And possibly Cyclonus with the Stunticon limbs, also an in-hand decision.Bradimus wrote:We are talking about Superion here, all others are inferior.
Re: Transformers Combiner Wars Defensor In Hand (1675150)
Posted by shajaki on April 14th, 2015 @ 11:43am CDT
Posted by shajaki on April 14th, 2015 @ 11:43am CDT
Personally, I've got no quibbles. I'm just trying to put others at easemegatronus wrote:To my eye, Defensor already looks well proportioned.Sabrblade wrote:Here's hoping.shajaki wrote:But we've all found ways to make Menasor's proportions better, and I'm betting the same can be done for Defensor.Sabrblade wrote:That is not helping either's case. Superion is the only one whose torso looks well proportioned.Shockwave7 wrote:Is Defensor 2015 stumpy? Yes. But so is Menasor.
Am I the only one?
Re: Transformers Combiner Wars Defensor In Hand (1675151)
Posted by Shuttershock on April 14th, 2015 @ 11:45am CDT
I think it works. In my mind, Defensor tanks and draws agro, so he's sturdier than the others. Plus it compliments his heavy duty counterpart, Bruticus.
Posted by Shuttershock on April 14th, 2015 @ 11:45am CDT
megatronus wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Here's hoping.shajaki wrote:But we've all found ways to make Menasor's proportions better, and I'm betting the same can be done for Defensor.Sabrblade wrote:That is not helping either's case. Superion is the only one whose torso looks well proportioned.Shockwave7 wrote:Is Defensor 2015 stumpy? Yes. But so is Menasor.
To my eye, Defensor already looks well proportioned.
Am I the only one?
I think it works. In my mind, Defensor tanks and draws agro, so he's sturdier than the others. Plus it compliments his heavy duty counterpart, Bruticus.
Re: Transformers Combiner Wars Defensor In Hand (1675159)
Posted by MightyMagnus78 on April 14th, 2015 @ 12:33pm CDT
Posted by MightyMagnus78 on April 14th, 2015 @ 12:33pm CDT
Best looking combiner so far?
I got Superion who is nice, but Defensor looks awesome.
Menasor is the weakest link IMO and I really can't wait to swap out his torso for Cyclonus/Galvatronus.
I got Superion who is nice, but Defensor looks awesome.
Menasor is the weakest link IMO and I really can't wait to swap out his torso for Cyclonus/Galvatronus.
Re: Transformers Combiner Wars Defensor In Hand (1675160)
Posted by Evil Eye on April 14th, 2015 @ 12:36pm CDT
Posted by Evil Eye on April 14th, 2015 @ 12:36pm CDT
Defensor is looking pretty great. I think Rook looks best as a leg though.
Shame he's going to tower over my hopelessly floppy FP Bruticus...
Shame he's going to tower over my hopelessly floppy FP Bruticus...
Re: Transformers Combiner Wars Defensor In Hand (1675168)
Posted by Shuttershock on April 14th, 2015 @ 12:55pm CDT
For now...
Posted by Shuttershock on April 14th, 2015 @ 12:55pm CDT
Delta Magnus wrote:Defensor is looking pretty great. I think Rook looks best as a leg though.
Shame he's going to tower over my hopelessly floppy FP Bruticus...
For now...
Re: Transformers Combiner Wars Defensor In Hand (1675172)
Posted by Shockwave7 on April 14th, 2015 @ 1:01pm CDT
Posted by Shockwave7 on April 14th, 2015 @ 1:01pm CDT
In the case of the Crapper-Crap Combiner line, the issue I had with them was that they didn't even have transformable mini-cons to serve as the 'limbs'. The PCC line just had Deluxe sized core figures, and then vehicle (or monster) 'drones' that pegged into them. The only gimmick the drones had was that when pegged into the core figure, they would automorph into limb mode by flopping open. They weren't any bigger or better than the old G1 combiners, in fact in most cases they were smaller than the G1 counterparts on which the PCC figures were only loosely based.
The CWs are bigger, with a voyager core figure, and deluxe size limb figures. The limbs transform into both robots and vehicles, as well as serving as the gestalt appendages. That's why I fled from the PCC line, and why I embrace the CW line. The CWs just look better, function better... eh, they're just BETTER, IMO.
The CWs are bigger, with a voyager core figure, and deluxe size limb figures. The limbs transform into both robots and vehicles, as well as serving as the gestalt appendages. That's why I fled from the PCC line, and why I embrace the CW line. The CWs just look better, function better... eh, they're just BETTER, IMO.
Re: Transformers Combiner Wars Defensor In Hand (1675174)
Posted by Va'al on April 14th, 2015 @ 1:06pm CDT
Posted by Va'al on April 14th, 2015 @ 1:06pm CDT
Your face is better.
Re: Transformers Combiner Wars Defensor In Hand (1675178)
Posted by Shuttershock on April 14th, 2015 @ 1:26pm CDT
Your motherboard's better.
Posted by Shuttershock on April 14th, 2015 @ 1:26pm CDT
Va'al wrote:Your face is better.
Your motherboard's better.
Re: Transformers Combiner Wars Defensor In Hand (1675179)
Posted by Va'al on April 14th, 2015 @ 1:27pm CDT
AGGRESSIVE COMPLIMENTS
Posted by Va'al on April 14th, 2015 @ 1:27pm CDT
Shuttershock wrote:Va'al wrote:Your face is better.
Your motherboard's better.
AGGRESSIVE COMPLIMENTS
Re: Transformers Combiner Wars Defensor In Hand (1675181)
Posted by no-one on April 14th, 2015 @ 1:27pm CDT
Better or butter?
Posted by no-one on April 14th, 2015 @ 1:27pm CDT
Va'al wrote:Your face is better.
Better or butter?
Re: Transformers Combiner Wars Defensor In Hand (1675182)
Posted by Shuttershock on April 14th, 2015 @ 1:29pm CDT
UPPERCASE POSTS!
Posted by Shuttershock on April 14th, 2015 @ 1:29pm CDT
Va'al wrote:Shuttershock wrote:Va'al wrote:Your face is better.
Your motherboard's better.
AGGRESSIVE COMPLIMENTS
UPPERCASE POSTS!
Re: Transformers Combiner Wars Defensor In Hand (1675186)
Posted by Va'al on April 14th, 2015 @ 1:34pm CDT
Posted by Va'al on April 14th, 2015 @ 1:34pm CDT
EVERYTHING IS BIGGER NOW COMBINER WARS IS HERE
Re: Transformers Combiner Wars Defensor In Hand (1675187)
Posted by Sabrblade on April 14th, 2015 @ 1:35pm CDT
Posted by Sabrblade on April 14th, 2015 @ 1:35pm CDT
EVERYTHING IS AWESOME
Re: Transformers Combiner Wars Defensor In Hand (1675190)
Posted by Va'al on April 14th, 2015 @ 1:44pm CDT
Posted by Va'al on April 14th, 2015 @ 1:44pm CDT
You just had to come ruin it with the anthem of an imperial hegemony built on fear. 
Re: Transformers Combiner Wars Defensor In Hand (1675192)
Posted by Sabrblade on April 14th, 2015 @ 1:46pm CDT
Posted by Sabrblade on April 14th, 2015 @ 1:46pm CDT
So... Who's excited about Takos Tuesday?!
Re: Transformers Combiner Wars Defensor In Hand (1675193)
Posted by Rated X on April 14th, 2015 @ 1:51pm CDT
Actually I was thinking more along the lines of a 3rd party Groove similar to what Belzeboss was planning to do with Slingshot. Something with similar "Hasthetics".
Posted by Rated X on April 14th, 2015 @ 1:51pm CDT
Yotsuyasan wrote:Rated X wrote:A proper Groove would be nice too. Rook is pure garbage.
Saying this as someone who is kind of trying to be a G1 purist with his combiners, and thus never had any plans to buy Alpha Bravo and ordered the Takara Superion...
I dunno, Rook kind of doesn't seem as bad. I suppose it helps that, even if downgraded to chest plate, at least Groove is still a part of the team. So Defensor does still contain all five of his original members. But I won't be upset to have Rook in my collection.
Granted, that all being said, if Takara announces their Defensor tomorrow and it has a Deluxe Groove that looks pretty good, I may have some pre-orders to cancel! But even if that happens, unlike Alpha Bravo, I may still try to snag Rook separately.
Not sure if I should hold my breath, though. Unlike Slingshot and Wildrider, who would Takara make Groove from? Unless there is an as yet unrevealed motorcycle mold (perhaps being developed for Computron), there isn't exactly a ready to go pre-existing mold for Takara to redeco as Groove like they did for the other two Hasbro-replaced Combiner Wars limbs.
Actually I was thinking more along the lines of a 3rd party Groove similar to what Belzeboss was planning to do with Slingshot. Something with similar "Hasthetics".
Re: Transformers Combiner Wars Defensor In Hand (1675194)
Posted by shajaki on April 14th, 2015 @ 1:51pm CDT
Posted by shajaki on April 14th, 2015 @ 1:51pm CDT
Re: Transformers Combiner Wars Defensor In Hand (1675195)
Posted by no-one on April 14th, 2015 @ 1:52pm CDT
Posted by no-one on April 14th, 2015 @ 1:52pm CDT
Sabrblade wrote:So... Who's excited about Takos Tuesday?!
Re: Transformers Combiner Wars Defensor In Hand (1675197)
Posted by Sabrblade on April 14th, 2015 @ 1:55pm CDT
Posted by Sabrblade on April 14th, 2015 @ 1:55pm CDT
SPACESHIP!carytheone wrote:Sabrblade wrote:So... Who's excited about Takos Tuesday?!
Re: Transformers Combiner Wars Defensor In Hand (1675200)
Posted by Rated X on April 14th, 2015 @ 2:03pm CDT
There is nothing Brawl about that mold. It doesnt have the signature tank front chest and turret backpack. Plus Rook has wheels that are part of his chest in robot mode that is so not Brawl. Hasbro loves making tanks so Im fairly confident Brawl will be a new mold and Nosecone will be the retool of the new mold. All this fan speculation about the Rook mold being re-tooled into Brawl is nothing more than speculation. There is no rule that every mold gets a retool. Drag Strip hasnt yet. Those Autobot repaints in the TRU computers turned out to be bogus.
Posted by Rated X on April 14th, 2015 @ 2:03pm CDT
shajaki wrote:Now I wonder, is this just auto-hate for the noob or do you genuinely dislike Rook? Will you hate him just as much when he's retooled into Brawl?Rated X wrote:Rook is pure garbage.
There is nothing Brawl about that mold. It doesnt have the signature tank front chest and turret backpack. Plus Rook has wheels that are part of his chest in robot mode that is so not Brawl. Hasbro loves making tanks so Im fairly confident Brawl will be a new mold and Nosecone will be the retool of the new mold. All this fan speculation about the Rook mold being re-tooled into Brawl is nothing more than speculation. There is no rule that every mold gets a retool. Drag Strip hasnt yet. Those Autobot repaints in the TRU computers turned out to be bogus.
Re: Transformers Combiner Wars Defensor In Hand (1675202)
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on April 14th, 2015 @ 2:13pm CDT
Don't cry wolf just yet:
This image shows a blue Drag Strip and a yellow Breakdown. Guess who those could be?
As it stands, we have four more Deluxe Slots and one Voyager slot, and the listings found plus the white Prime would fit in there perfectly. Plus, it would be perfect opportunity to reuse the otherwise stand-alone (thus costly) Stunticon molds, retooled or not.
Brake-Neck/Wildrider and Quickslinger/Slingshot are exempt from the count of 16 molds (because they're not main retail). And for the record, the Fan-Built-Bot is for next year.
I'd advise waiting until BotCon in June before jumping to those conclusions, and keep hope.
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on April 14th, 2015 @ 2:13pm CDT
Rated X wrote:Those Autobot repaints in the TRU computers turned out to be bogus.
Don't cry wolf just yet:
This image shows a blue Drag Strip and a yellow Breakdown. Guess who those could be?
As it stands, we have four more Deluxe Slots and one Voyager slot, and the listings found plus the white Prime would fit in there perfectly. Plus, it would be perfect opportunity to reuse the otherwise stand-alone (thus costly) Stunticon molds, retooled or not.
Brake-Neck/Wildrider and Quickslinger/Slingshot are exempt from the count of 16 molds (because they're not main retail). And for the record, the Fan-Built-Bot is for next year.
I'd advise waiting until BotCon in June before jumping to those conclusions, and keep hope.
