Transformers Combiner Wars Computron Final Toy Image Surfaces Online

MemphisR56 wrote:out little buddy scrounge

Ahh crap, you could've corrected my spelling Weej

Wow, that looks incredible! Can't wait to see what the individual bot modes look like

Here's hoping Computron is UW-08!

It's amazing how good he looks with those feet and hands. He doesn't even need the PE upgrade set. He looks like a really good transformer.

Autobot N wrote:Yes! He has the DE/SW mold! And even better, it's the SW version.

So the one with the lightbar? Isnt that a little lame?

Delta Magnus wrote: the fact they've abandoned any attempt at parts integration

Thats straight up false, BOTH the combiner head and combiner torso is integrated in Scattershot, which was not the case with the G1 toy.

william-james88 wrote:

Autobot N wrote:Yes! He has the DE/SW mold! And even better, it's the SW version.

So the one with the lightbar? Isnt that a little lame?

Who knows, maybe they took the light bar off. It seems they put quite a bit of effort into this set so I think it's in the realm of possibility.

Is it just my browser or is this picture cropped? I cannot see the English Bio, nor can I see the far right of the image. Still this looks amazing. Cant wait to see the whole thing. I'm glad they corrected the head color for Computron. Also...If this does make it as a UW, I wonder if this will be the first UW with a 6th member, or will the just cut Scrounge? I'm thinking they'll probably cut him as he was an obscure character in the US Marvel comic, and not known in Japan, or how odd would it be if they changed him back to Cosmos .

william-james88 wrote:

Autobot N wrote:Yes! He has the DE/SW mold! And even better, it's the SW version.

So the one with the lightbar? Isn't that a little lame?

The SW version of the mold has always held together better than my DE, who's legs separate and the combiner peg falls out if you so much as look at it funny. While that might not happen with every DE, I'd rather not take the chance.
And besides, you can't see the lightbar in combined mode, which is the way I'll be displaying him.

Anyway, as for my opinion on Comps himself, he can't come out soon enough. I'm excited to get the Groove mold, and he has two of my favorite limb molds and my favorite torso mold. Plus, new hands and feet so I don't have spend $40 dollars on the PE kit.

steals_your_goats wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Autobot N wrote:Yes! He has the DE/SW mold! And even better, it's the SW version.

So the one with the lightbar? Isnt that a little lame?

Who knows, maybe they took the light bar off. It seems they put quite a bit of effort into this set so I think it's in the realm of possibility.

No, there were rumours from people who had seen him that he still had the lightbar, I was always thinking it might be a placeholder (as we saw before) but us seeing that they are indeed using this mold cements those rumours into fact. He has a lightbar, its no question of that, we just have to either accept it or not. I am not there yet.

Autobot N wrote:Plus, new hands and feet so I don't have spend $40 dollars on the PE kit.

You never had to:

http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product ... 85479.html

william-james88 wrote:No, there were rumours from people who had seen him that he still had the lightbar, I was always thinking it might be a placeholder (as we saw before) but us seeing that they are indeed using this mold cements those rumours into fact. He has a lightbar, its no question of that, we just have to either accept it or not. I am not there yet.

If I remember correctly. no rumor actually predicted what mold Lightspeed used, just that he was from a Stunticon.
Anyway, if they didn't remove the lightbar from Smokescreen, then they probably won't for Lightspeed.

william-james88 wrote:

Autobot N wrote:Plus, new hands and feet so I don't have spend $40 dollars on the PE kit.

You never had to:

http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product ... 85479.html

Those are knockoffs. I was referring to Computron's designated kit.

william-james88 wrote:

steals_your_goats wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Autobot N wrote:Yes! He has the DE/SW mold! And even better, it's the SW version.

So the one with the lightbar? Isnt that a little lame?

Who knows, maybe they took the light bar off. It seems they put quite a bit of effort into this set so I think it's in the realm of possibility.

No, there were rumours from people who had seen him that he still had the lightbar, I was always thinking it might be a placeholder (as we saw before) but us seeing that they are indeed using this mold cements those rumours into fact. He has a lightbar, its no question of that, we just have to either accept it or not. I am not there yet.

Ah I didn't know that, no matter like N said he's going to be in combined mode most of the time and even when he's not he'll be in robot mode so I'll never see the bar.

Computron is looking really fine though the loss of the hand foot guns is a little annoying as they looked like they packed plenty of fire power but the ankle pivots are a nice touch. Can't wait to see the in hand shots and hasbros promo stuff for him. (Other than all these leaks of course; -))

As much as these hands and feet look so much better, I would have preferred consistency... Which is, tragically, why I will still be going after the full P.E. line. Even though Computron doesn't need it.

It's not going to happen but I would love if Hasbro put out packs of these hands and feet in the colors of the other combiners. I don't mind the HFG but I think the designated hands and feet look better.

Autobot N wrote:Those are knockoffs. I was referring to Computron's designated kit.

It may just be semantics but... Anything not licensed by Hasbro or TT are considered "knockoffs" even 3rd party products considered by some to be of superior quality.

Looks amazing, bummer, thought that he comes with streetwise instead of wheeljack - legitimately disappointed by that

Love that they included bigrooves dual pistols though, shame too that he can't seem to open his hands

o.supreme wrote:

Autobot N wrote:Those are knockoffs. I was referring to Computron's designated kit.

It may just be semantics but... Anything not licensed by Hasbro or TT are considered "knockoffs" even 3rd party products considered by some to be of superior quality.

I consider KOs to be any design made by someone that stole it from someone else. So Quantron isn't a KO (at least as far as I know), but my CMP-20 is.

Autobot N wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Autobot N wrote:Plus, new hands and feet so I don't have spend $40 dollars on the PE kit.

You never had to:
http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product ... 85479.html

Those are knockoffs. I was referring to Computron's designated kit.

Both the high quality KO and the Perfect Effect kit are taking advantage of a property that is not theirs to make money. Also if the PE kit was designated for Computron then where is his name on the box, huh?

steals_your_goats wrote:Ah I didn't know that, no matter like N said he's going to be in combined mode most of the time and even when he's not he'll be in robot mode so I'll never see the bar.

So that means you dont give your combiner knee pads when you use the dead end/streetwise mold as legs? You just let the front fold down?

I'll wait for Takara to make one.

I hope they fix Afterburner, he looks bad to me, with that silly banana windshield. I'd also like some color changes here and there- especially silver hubcaps.

william-james88 wrote:

Autobot N wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Autobot N wrote:Plus, new hands and feet so I don't have spend $40 dollars on the PE kit.

You never had to:
http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product ... 85479.html

Those are knockoffs. I was referring to Computron's designated kit.

Both the high quality KO and the Perfect Effect kit are taking advantage of a property that is not theirs to make money. Also if the PE kit was designated for Computron then where is his name on the box, huh?

steals_your_goats wrote:Ah I didn't know that, no matter like N said he's going to be in combined mode most of the time and even when he's not he'll be in robot mode so I'll never see the bar.

So that means you dont give your combiner knee pads when you use the dead end/streetwise mold as legs? You just let the front fold down?

No, I just never use it as a leg - ever, neither him nor breakdown will ever be a leg for me.

That being said, lightspeed (bigroove) is gonna have one heck of a kneepad with that canopy sticking up

william-james88 wrote:So that means you dont give your combiner knee pads when you use the dead end/streetwise mold as legs? You just let the front fold down?

Yeah I just fold it down, it doesn't really bother me. Besides the way I transform optimus and motormaster I can't do the knee pad thing.

Autobot N wrote:I consider KOs to be any design made by someone that stole it from someone else. So Quantron isn't a KO (at least as far as I know)

How is Quantron not a knockoff of Computron? Btw... I don't want to turn this into *3rd party product* is evil debate, there are other threads for that. I think some of them make amazing toys. But I'm just saying, call it what it is.

Some 3rd party hand/foot accessories may be better than others, but ALL are knockoffs if they aren't Hasbro/TT

william-james88 wrote:Both the high quality KO and the Perfect Effect kit are taking advantage of a property that is not theirs to make money.

Maybe that's why Hasbro gave him these new feet.

william-james88 wrote:Also if the PE kit was designated for Computron then where is his name on the box, huh?

sarcasm

william-james88 wrote:

steals_your_goats wrote:Ah I didn't know that, no matter like N said he's going to be in combined mode most of the time and even when he's not he'll be in robot mode so I'll never see the bar.

So that means you dont give your combiner knee pads when you use the dead end/streetwise mold as legs? You just let the front fold down?

Since having Nosecone in the intended configuration doesn't give Comp a kneecap, it makes it even.

o.supreme wrote:

Autobot N wrote:I consider KOs to be any design made by someone that stole it from someone else. So Quantron isn't a KO (at least as far as I know)

How is Quantron not a knockoff of Computron?

He doesn't share/steal any engineering or molding from HasTak product at all. He's entirely original engineering/molding, which is all that counts when deciding whether something is a knockoff or not. Whether or not it infringes on IP is another matter altogether, but then IP law is such an outdated, complex and monolithically clumsy beast that quite frankly there's no point brining "MUH IP" into it. Technically, customized action figures and fanart are "IP infringement" but only a total arse would sue someone over that. In any case, for it to be a knockoff it would have to have actually copied existing HasTak physical product and tried to market it as its own.

Now iGear's Seekers were knockoffs as they were basically just slightly modified and downsized versions of the MP Seeker molds marketed as their own.

o.supreme wrote:

Autobot N wrote:I consider KOs to be any design made by someone that stole it from someone else. So Quantron isn't a KO (at least as far as I know)

How is Quantron not a knockoff of Computron? Btw... I don't want to turn this into *3rd party product* is evil debate, there are other threads for that. I think some of them make amazing toys. But I'm just saying, call it what it is.

Some 3rd party hand/foot accessories may be better than others, but ALL are knockoffs if they aren't Hasbro/TT

Because Quantron shares no tooling with any pre-existing Computron.

Delta Magnus wrote: Technically, customized action figures and fanart are "IP infringement" but only a total arse would sue someone over that.

Not just an arse, but an idiot too. No point in suing if no money is being made. Which is one of the reasons I think Hasbro doesnt do it. The legal costs might outweigh what they could get from suing 3p companies. The 3p market is ridiculously small in comparison to the Trasformers brand.

Guys, we have made history. Not only do we finally have an official hasbro combiner with ankle joints, we have our first Scrounge!

Computron looks AMAZING!!
I am glad they decided to use the SW mold as it's superior to the Breakdown/Wheeljack mold. The light bar probably won't bother me too much as Lightspeed supposed to be a sort of scifi car ,correct? So you can just look at it like some sort of futureistic detailing Tron style (assuming it's colored). If it's just the plastic color it can just be some kind of spoiler I guess.
Afterburner and strafe look like some pretty good retools and the deco on Scattershot looks so much better now. Hopefully Nosecone's waist is better than Brawl's. Those new hands and feet are the bomb!
This could turn out to be the best of the Scramble City CW combiners. Now I anxiously await preorders from TFsource or bigbadtoystore.

Microraptor wrote:Goys, we have made history. Notably do we finally have an official hasbro combiner with ankle joints, we have our first scrounge!

No need to get racial

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/goy

Just messing, this is a fun time to be a fan.

So Will, what is your opinion on Comps?

william-james88 wrote:

Microraptor wrote:Goys, we have made history. Notably do we finally have an official hasbro combiner with ankle joints, we have our first scrounge!

No need to get racial

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/goy

Just messing, this is a fun time to be a fan.

I could've sworn I spelled it right....

Microraptor wrote:Goys, we have made history. Notably do we finally have an official hasbro combiner with ankle joints, we have our first scrounge!

Devastator and Victorion would like to have a word with you about this "Computron making history with ankle tilts" business.

On Lightspeed's light bar, I find with Smokescreen, since it's not painted to be a light bar, it just kind of blends in with all that red. Maybe the same for this Technobot.

Comp looks good. The colors are way better than Beta Face. I am on the side though that thinks Wheeljack would have been a better choice for Lightspeed. That alt mode looks so much more like the G1 toy.

Anxious to see Afterburner in cyberbike mode.

william-james88 wrote:

Delta Magnus wrote: Technically, customized action figures and fanart are "IP infringement" but only a total arse would sue someone over that.

Not just an arse, but an idiot too. No point in suing if no money is being made. Which is one of the reasons I think Hasbro doesnt do it. The legal costs might outweigh what they could get from suing 3p companies. The 3p market is ridiculously small in comparison to the Trasformers brand.

It is but it is still theft and personally I think the reason for them not stepping in might have to do with the fact quite a few of these companies are based out of Asia and IP is a weird thing over there. Hence why all the KOs that are in official packaging are from Asia.

Honestly it is theft of IP. It is hasbro and takaras characters and while knock off is a bit of a poor way to refer to some 3P stuff they are "knocking off" IP. You're not buying 3rd party figure because it vaguely looks like the character you enjoy. You buy it because in your eyes and opinion it is that character.

Bringing the subject up about fan art, there are some conventions that don't allow fan art. Not TF cons but some conventions don't allow fan art for that reason. Disney used to be a huge stickler for that stuff. Personally as a fellow artist and comic writer who does create his own original comics and attends conventions I don't like fan art. I'd rather see original stuff. If I want a deadpool picture i can google it.

It's nice to see someone refer to 3rd parties as small because they are. It's insane that some people actually believe that 3P are financially damaging hasbro because theyre not. However they should step in to protect their IP.

I wish they would have corrected his face. Hopefully Takara will do us right by doing a new head sculpt for Computron. His head should NOT just be Superion's head recolored.

william-james88 wrote:

Delta Magnus wrote: Technically, customized action figures and fanart are "IP infringement" but only a total arse would sue someone over that.

Not just an arse, but an idiot too. No point in suing if no money is being made. Which is one of the reasons I think Hasbro doesnt do it. The legal costs might outweigh what they could get from suing 3p companies. The 3p market is ridiculously small in comparison to the Trasformers brand.

No Hasbro wont sue, they just wont allow 3rd party builders at Botcon . Again I'm not talking about pressing charges, but it is what it is. Nobody who if a fan of Transformers cant look at Quantron honestly and not think Computron. At some point you have to use common sense. Again I'm not saying these things should not exist. But in the original context - Calling Western Animiation's product a "knockoff" in comparison to PE just seems silly.



But as for Hasbro's CW Computron -It is really great looking. cant wait for more detailed photos.

Also wish that the G2 Superion and G2 Menasor sets had come with the new Combiner hands and feet. That would have been awesome!

It'd also be awesome if we can get some "generic" sets of the hands and feet in the colors of the other Combiner sets to go with the previous combiners that have the terrible hands and feet.

Autobot N wrote:So Will, what is your opinion on Comps?

Thanks so much for asking, N. I actually love him. Which is odd since people might remember I was really down on the guy.

I once looked at what was going on and thought that even if we do get him, we would be stuck with the same crappy scattershot and the poor excuse of a drill on nosecone.

But looking at him there in the picture, I really see a fully unique combiner even if nothing is fully new here. He seems to be his own guy and looks glorious.

I especially like that 1 is a completely new mold for Hasbro, and not only that but it is even a retool from Takara's exclusive mold, so doubly new. And its an interesting take on afterburner. I mean, how else would they have handled that elongated tron like motorbike from the Groove mold.

Its cool how both Scattershot and Strafe have new add ons. I dont own scattershot yet so this is a major win. The chest looks great! I would have preferred a double nosecone for Strafe but this isnt so bad. And I am a big fan of the previous classics strafe which was also a single nosecone jet (and a stealth one at that) so this is fine.

Plus I love being able to handle a mold or something new to it without needing to spend tons on an exclusive so I will be able to experience that Botcon Ramhorn addition without buying Ramhorn.

The weakest one of the bunch is lightspeed simply because I have this mold a bunch. And plus I forget where I found this but I had read that his head will simply be the streetwise head and that ticks me off.

But all in all, I am happy that there is as much new with this toy as there is with other combiners and that he looks unique in his own way. That pat means a lot to me. He will be bought at 25% off guaranteed!

I think Hasbro's way of dealing with the KO guys was to make what they were making, just cheaper. For a lot of fans who wanted a Devestator, but didn't want to buy six $100 guys to build him, one Hasbro Devestator seemed like a pretty good alternative.

I think all of Combiner Wars was a sort of gag reflex to the 3P industry. And I think we'll continue to see more and more Hasbro versions of toys the 3P guys have already put out.

(P.S. I am not complaining, lol)

william-james88 wrote: I actually love him.

Seibertron wrote:Also wish that the G2 Superion and G2 Menasor sets had come with the new Combiner hands and feet. That would have been awesome!

It'd also be awesome if we can get some "generic" sets of the hands and feet in the colors of the other Combiner sets to go with the previous combiners that have the terrible hands and feet.

I'm surprised they didn't include them in the G2 sets. It'd be nice if they just did like $15 hands and feet baggies for online stores

Wow, he does look great! Do we have pictures of Scrounge yet? Because that might push me over the edge on this guy...

Cobotron wrote:

william-james88 wrote: I actually love him.

I do. He looks great. As much a G1 homage as any other (minus superion) and 4 out of the 5 components have something new to them to different extent. And its my favourite torso mold. So I say, why not?

william-james88 wrote:

Cobotron wrote:

william-james88 wrote: I actually love him.

I do. He looks great. As much a G1 homage as any other (minus superion) and 4 out of the 5 components have something new to them to different extent. And its my favourite torso mold. So I say, why not?

Well cool than!

The new hands and feet look great! Why didn't you do this to start with Hasbro?

All the small things.

albnok wrote:All the small things.

I love legends figures, they're so much fun.

MightyMagnus78 wrote:The new hands and feet look great! Why didn't you do this to start with Hasbro?

Because the gimmick is anyone can be an arm or leg and it's easier and cost effective to make a hand/foot combo. The original hand/foot do work. Especially since the target audience is kids.

Cobotron wrote:

william-james88 wrote: I actually love him.

Will, I remember one time many months ago if I would be happy with a Computron as just repaints basically and I told you I still would since he is my favorite. Well, this cements just how awesome he is. I love it! He is utterly unique and this scattershot looks sooooo much different from the other with proper paint! Plus all the limbs look amazing and he works awesome in combined mode! I love him, and I am glad that you came around to him too. Cause he has great potential here