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Transformers: Autocracy Review - Are These Our Autobots?

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Tuesday, January 17th, 2012 1:58AM CST

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For review today, I have the first issue of a new series from IDW called Transformers: Autocracy. Co-Written by former G1 writer Flint Dille and by Transformers newcomer Chris Metzen (VP of Blizzard Entertainment) with art by Livio Ramondelli (of Transformers Chaos fame) this series is going to be distributed bi-weekly over the likes of 24 weeks and is IDW’s first fully DIGITAL ONLY comic.

Taking place before the actual war between Autobots and Decepticons, this issue focuses on Orion Pax before he was Optimus Prime, directly following and continuing the flashback events in issue number 23 of Ongoing.  The main events of this story follow Pax leading a group of familiar Autobots into a very downtrodden territory in Cybertron searching for civilian terrorist cells and an arms dealer who's providing them with stolen government armaments.

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The story is dark, violent, and it seems to be providing more reasons for the Cybertronian masses that return in ‘Death of Optimus Prime’ to be wary and very spiteful toward the Autobots. The story looks promising, even if it is a bit disturbing that the deep, reflective Orion Pax that made an entire meeting of senators take notice and think, seems to have turned into a nasty, unthinking warrior with a new large empty space in his chest.  Hmm... I’m sure there is a point to this Jekyll and Hyde Pax. I should probably cut the two accomplished writers a break with this and assume there’s good reason.

This first story really sets the tone for the series and as an Autobot fan, I feel like I am going to be disappointed with just how much my peace loving heroes are revealed to have done that is less than moral. Like pounding Swindle’s face in... Wha??? Sniping a terrorist cell leader.. boom, headshot! Yeah, I’m not sure, but hoping for the best for my Autobot allies. I’m also not sure how much more of this I can take without some more connection to the greater good, and more reflection from the good guys on their actions being the only option and leading to guilt or tough feelings, hindrances next time in the field. Thank Primus for Bumblebee’s vision, and heart...(can’t believe I just said that, but at least Bumblebee gets it) although he snipes one moment and then grows a conscience the next. #readingtoomuchintothisright?

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The art is at as it has been with Livio on Transformers Chaos; you like it, love it, or you at least put up with it--which is the camp I’m in.  His style hasn't really changed since we last saw his work, it’s still very realistically stylized and takes some liberties assuming we know what is happening in panels, but it is still very original and sure to make those who wondered where Botcon’s 1st announced guest would turn up again satisfied.

Being IDW's first digital comic, this prequel is worth picking up and at only $.99 I say go for it. Although it’s only 8 pages of story, it packs a lot into 8 pages...an interesting new format for presenting to us. With the way this issue is continuing to give us more background on things that were established during Chaos Theory, IDW TF followers, it seems this is a must buy for you. To repeat myself, it is certainly giving us more historical aspects that drive current story, so it to me is a must read, not just a meaningless mini which honestly IDW has not done much of with their G1 universe.

Short and sweet.. spend a buck, get an exciting story, and a piece of history.

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*Pardon my edits please, typing with a broken finger in my hand. Thanks, good bots.*
Credit(s): tigertracks 24

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Re: Transformers: Autocracy Review - Are These Our Autobots? (1334739)
Posted by robotmel on January 17th, 2012 @ 2:52am CST
:D
Interesting..!
Is this just going to be a short, limited edition run or are IDW planning on more digital only Transformers related stuff?
$0.99 would only be around 65 pence hear in the UK and I guess the delivery method might be via email or direct download via IDW's website? :???:

Being a traditionalist in respect to comic books, I would probably try and print these off and collate into something comic book sized then slot into my collection where relevant... :-B Is that just crazy or would anyone else do this?
Re: Transformers: Autocracy Review - Are These Our Autobots? (1334744)
Posted by craggy on January 17th, 2012 @ 3:20am CST
robotmel wrote::D
Interesting..!
Is this just going to be a short, limited edition run or are IDW planning on more digital only Transformers related stuff?
$0.99 would only be around 65 pence hear in the UK and I guess the delivery method might be via email or direct download via IDW's website? :???:

Being a traditionalist in respect to comic books, I would probably try and print these off and collate into something comic book sized then slot into my collection where relevant... :-B Is that just crazy or would anyone else do this?


no you get to permanently rent the comic to view online whenever you choose. you're given nothing that you can save.
Re: Transformers: Autocracy Review - Are These Our Autobots? (1334752)
Posted by robotmel on January 17th, 2012 @ 3:55am CST
craggy wrote:
no you get to permanently rent the comic to view online whenever you choose. you're given nothing that you can save.


Oh, thats a bit of a disapointment, do you (or anyone) think it would still be possible to 'save picture as' whilst viewing it online or would IDW lock that option off?
It's like buying an mp3 from your favourite music website, you have a digital copy on your HDD to do with what you please, so why not this also? :-?
Re: Transformers: Autocracy Review - Are These Our Autobots? (1334792)
Posted by Bass X0 on January 17th, 2012 @ 7:20am CST
Bi-Weekly?

Thats twice a week isn't it? Not once every two weeks. Fortnightly is the word to use for once every two weeks.

If not then, what is the word to mean 'twice a week'?
Re: Transformers: Autocracy Review - Are These Our Autobots? (1334832)
Posted by gothsaurus on January 17th, 2012 @ 9:21am CST
So has IDW said they will never collect this into a trade paperback? It seems a shame to have all these nice painterly illustrations and to never issue them on a computer at 72 dpi where you can really enjoy them...

I'll take mine on the coffee table where I can kick back and relax and enjoy the art at my leisure... rather than at-attention in a rolling chair in front of a desk.

Guess I'm old school?
Re: Transformers: Autocracy Review - Are These Our Autobots? (1334843)
Posted by Tigertrack on January 17th, 2012 @ 10:20am CST
Bass X0 wrote:Bi-Weekly?

Thats twice a week isn't it? Not once every two weeks. Fortnightly is the word to use for once every two weeks.

If not then, what is the word to mean 'twice a week'?


Bi-weekly means by their words every other week.
Re: Transformers: Autocracy Review - Are These Our Autobots? (1334846)
Posted by Magna Prime on January 17th, 2012 @ 10:29am CST
Agreed, seriously I want this story collected at least. I love the concept, honestly I'm looking forward to this more than the two ongoings right now.
Re: Transformers: Autocracy Review - Are These Our Autobots? (1334849)
Posted by SlyTF1 on January 17th, 2012 @ 10:32am CST
Oh hell yeah! A violent story and Autobots beating the crap out of people!? I'm definitely getting this as soon as possible!
Re: Transformers: Autocracy Review - Are These Our Autobots? (1334851)
Posted by Tigertrack on January 17th, 2012 @ 10:39am CST
gothsaurus wrote:So has IDW said they will never collect this into a trade paperback?


Not yet. I would hope so. After all, wouldn't you want to meet all the possible masses with your product as possible? I would, even if it is later.
Re: Transformers: Autocracy Review - Are These Our Autobots? (1334858)
Posted by gothsaurus on January 17th, 2012 @ 10:56am CST
Yeah, I'm guessing IDW is doing a sort of publicity stunt to draw attention to their digital offerings... get people to download the app... get people thinking about switching to their online version.

But then after they accomplish that, they'll put out a trade paperback to maximize profit on the comic.

All makes good business sense. No complaints here if they eventually put out the trade.
Re: Transformers: Autocracy Review - Are These Our Autobots? (1335069)
Posted by El Duque on January 17th, 2012 @ 10:24pm CST
IDW Publishing has uploaded a promo video for tomorrow's launch of their new digital format bi-weeekly Transformers: Autocracy. Check out the promo embedded below, and click here to read our review of the first issue by Seiberton.com staff member tigertracks 24.


Before OPTIMUS became a PRIME... he fought for order. Before MEGATRON became a conqueror... he fought for freedom. Before they were enemies... they stood against — AUTOCRACY.

AUTOCRACY is an all-new 99¢ bi-weekly TRANSFORMERS series featuring the stunning TRANSFORMERS writing debut of Chris Metzen -- SVP, Story and Franchise Development at Blizzard Entertainment and one of the main creative minds behind the company's Warcraft®, StarCraft®, and Diablo® universes. Metzen is joined by co-writer Flint Dille, a fan-favorite for his work on the original TRANSFORMERS animated series, and TRANSFORMERS: CHAOS artist, Livio Ramondelli.

Debuts January 18th, 2012!
http://idwpublishing.com/digitalcomics/transformers/


Re: Transformers: Autocracy Review - Are These Our Autobots? (1335096)
Posted by Sabrblade on January 18th, 2012 @ 12:44am CST
Seems a bit inspired by Exodus and WFC. ;)
Re: Transformers: Autocracy Review - Are These Our Autobots? (1335164)
Posted by Tigertrack on January 18th, 2012 @ 6:43am CST
looks good, makes me hopeful after what I have read so far.

I think Livio's art gives it that WFC feel.
Re: Transformers: Autocracy Review - Are These Our Autobots? (1335191)
Posted by partholon on January 18th, 2012 @ 8:50am CST
looks like IDWS version of war within TBH though it bounces out of the events of issue 22/23 of the ongoing.

i wont be getting this.

i just dont like the whole digital download thing, i likes me comic to hold in me mitts. i understand the mentality behind it, it could be a fantastic money maker if it takes off, so from a business side of things it makes sense to try and tap into the online market, its just not my thing.

BUT.

i WILL buy a trade of this if they do one six months down the line or so.
Re: Transformers: Autocracy Review - Are These Our Autobots? (1335198)
Posted by gothsaurus on January 18th, 2012 @ 9:16am CST
Yeah, I have to say again... I DO love the painterly look of these. They look like high-art vs cartoon art. I'll cave in and buy this... if I can find where. Heh. >:oP
Re: Transformers: Autocracy Review - Are These Our Autobots? (1335266)
Posted by F Prime on January 18th, 2012 @ 12:30pm CST
tigertracks 24 wrote:
Bass X0 wrote:Bi-Weekly?

Thats twice a week isn't it? Not once every two weeks. Fortnightly is the word to use for once every two weeks.

If not then, what is the word to mean 'twice a week'?


Bi-weekly means by their words every other week.


Yup, Bi-Weekly is every other. Going from the definition of semi-annually, I believe semi-weekly would be twice a week.
Re: Transformers: Autocracy Review - Are These Our Autobots? (1335284)
Posted by El Duque on January 18th, 2012 @ 1:09pm CST
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

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IDW Publishing Launches First-Ever Digital-Only TRANSFORMERS Comic Series, AUTOCRACY

12-Issue digital-exclusive series comes to iPad, iPhone, Android and the Web courtesy of writers Chris Metzen & Flint Dille


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San Diego, CA (January 18, 2012) – IDW Publishing proudly announces a new digital comics event five million years in the making: TRANSFORMERS: Autocracy. Released exclusively on digital platforms, this 12-part series will be released on multiple digital platforms as 8-page chapters every two weeks starting January 18th and running through June. Each episode will be priced at 99¢.

TRANSFORMERS: Autocracy has ties to the two new TRANSFORMERS comics series based on the iconic TRANSFORMERS brand from Hasbro and launching this month, Robots in Disguise and More Than Meets the Eye. “Those series look to the future,” said IDW Senior Editor John Barber, “but they have strong ties to the past. And Autocracy fills in some of the gaps in that past by telling one of the most important stories to ever appear in TRANSFORMERS comics.”

Before OPTIMUS became a PRIME... he fought for order. Before MEGATRON became a conqueror... he fought for freedom. Before they were enemies... they stood against — AUTOCRACY.

Autocracy features the stunning TRANSFORMERS writing debut of Chris Metzen – SVP, Story and Franchise Development at Blizzard Entertainment and one of the main creative minds behind the company’s Warcraft®, StarCraft®, and Diablo® universes. Metzen is joined by co-writer Flint Dille, a fan-favorite for his work on the original TRANSFORMERS animated series.

“This project is a dream come true for me,” said Metzen. “I’ve loved the TRANSFORMERS brand all my life – and the chance to take these characters for a drive with my good friend Flint has been an incredible privilege. But I think it’s Livio Ramondelli’s gritty, cinematic vision that really brings this story to life.”

Artist Livio Ramondelli came to fans’ attention last year with the world-shattering TRANSFORMERS: Chaos series. “I feel beyond thankful to be a part of this project,” said Ramondelli. “These two have written a truly epic TRANSFORMERS story for the ages. I can’t say enough good things about Chris Metzen, and we should all feel lucky that Flint Dille is returning to TRANSFORMERS.”

“IDW is very excited to launch this digital-exclusive series,” said IDW CEO and Publisher Ted Adams. “The TRANSFORMERS brand has a broad international fan-base, this series will continue to increase the comics audience.” The Autocracy series will help bring these new readers to comic shops, by including a page featuring the Comic Shop Locator service and best-selling TRANSFORMERS collections and comics.

Autocracy can be found in IDW’s Apple iPad™, iPhone® and iPod touch®, apps – Transformers Comics and IDW Comics, and on the Web at read.idwpublishing.com. The series is also featured in the Comics by comiXology platform for iOS, Android, Web and Kindle Fire, and Comics + by iVerse.

About IDW Publishing
IDW is an award-winning publisher of comic books, graphic novels and trade paperbacks, based in San Diego, California. Renowned for its diverse catalog of licensed and independent titles, IDW publishes some of the most successful and popular titles in the industry, including: Hasbro's The TRANSFORMERS and G.I. JOE, Paramount's Star Trek; HBO’s True Blood; the BBC's Doctor Who; Toho’s Godzilla and comics and trade collections based on novels by worldwide bestselling author, James Patterson. IDW is also home to the Library of American Comics imprint, which publishes classic comic reprints; Yoe! Books, a partnership with Yoe! Studio.
IDW's original horror series, 30 Days of Night, was launched as a major motion picture in October 2007 by Sony Pictures and was the #1 film in its first week of release. More information about the company can be found at IDWPublishing.com.
As a recognized leader in digital comics, IDW’s digital partners include: comiXology, iVerse Media, Graphicly, Cryptozoic Comics, Panelfly, Digital Manga, Diamond Digital, NEC, Zero Sum and Smart Ebooks. The IDW digital line is available worldwide on top platforms including: Apple iOS apps and iBooks, Android apps, Barnes & Noble Nook, Amazon Kindle, Kobo Vox, Sony PSP, Nokia and RIM BlackBerry.
More information about the company can be found at IDWPublishing.com.

About Blizzard Entertainment, Inc.
Best known for blockbuster hits including World of Warcraft® and the Warcraft®, StarCraft®, and Diablo® franchises, Blizzard Entertainment, Inc. (http://www.blizzard.com), a division of Activision Blizzard (NASDAQ: ATVI), is a premier developer and publisher of entertainment software renowned for creating some of the industry’s most critically acclaimed games. Blizzard Entertainment’s track record includes thirteen #1-selling games and multiple Game of the Year awards. The company’s online-gaming service, Battle.net®, is one of the largest in the world, with millions of active players.

About Hasbro
Hasbro (NASDAQ: HAS) is a branded play company providing children and families around the world with a wide-range of immersive entertainment offerings based on the Company’s world class brand portfolio. From toys and games, to television programming, motion pictures, video games and a comprehensive licensing program, Hasbro strives to delight its customers through the strategic leveraging of well-known and beloved brands such as TRANSFORMERS, LITTLEST PET SHOP, NERF, PLAYSKOOL, MY LITTLE PONY, G.I. JOE, MAGIC: THE GATHERING and MONOPOLY. The Hub, Hasbro’s multi-platform joint venture with Discovery Communications (NASDAQ: DISCA, DISCB, DISCK) launched on October 10, 2010. The online home of The Hub is http://www.hubworld.com. The Hub logo and name are trademarks of Hub Television Networks, LLC. All rights reserved. Come see how we inspire play through our brands at http://www.hasbro.com. © 2012 Hasbro, Inc. All Rights Reserved.

Apple, iPad, iPhone, iPod touch, and iTunes are trademarks of Apple Inc., registered in the U.S. and other countries. App Store is a service mark of Apple Inc.

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Re: Transformers: Autocracy Review - Are These Our Autobots? (1335289)
Posted by F Prime on January 18th, 2012 @ 1:36pm CST
robotmel wrote:
craggy wrote:
no you get to permanently rent the comic to view online whenever you choose. you're given nothing that you can save.


Oh, thats a bit of a disapointment, do you (or anyone) think it would still be possible to 'save picture as' whilst viewing it online or would IDW lock that option off?
It's like buying an mp3 from your favourite music website, you have a digital copy on your HDD to do with what you please, so why not this also? :-?


On an iPad you can do a screen cap (press and hold home, push and release sleep, release home). These images show up in your photo roll so you can email and print them. The image shows up nearly comic-sized as-is.

You can make them PDF files and combine (and save) or print the individual images. It is a bit of work, but the comics are short and if it is what someone wants to do more power to them.
Re: Transformers: Autocracy Review - Are These Our Autobots? (1335294)
Posted by Chaoslock on January 18th, 2012 @ 1:51pm CST
I've read it, and I don't like it. The autobots are more like their Shattered Glass selves, with Ironhide suggesting that everyone who doesn't stand up with the autobots should be lined up and be shot down; and later, Optimus punches the hell out of Swindle. The story is ridiculous at some points - don't shoot the guy who just detonated a lot of houses, because we have an arms dealer now, and we want to show we changed in a few seconds. Just NO.

The art is even darker, while the style reminds me of Pat Lee - how the hell can Prime see of his bust in the cover picture???

So, all in all, for those who can't read it, they don't miss much.
Re: Transformers: Autocracy Review - Are These Our Autobots? (1335331)
Posted by thedriod on January 18th, 2012 @ 2:47pm CST
I read it and liked it. Personally I see this has alot of potential, and that is why I
Like it. I felt that pax's charecter may be an inverted prime, and that in time our autobot heros will accept the call for atrocity.

Keep in mind that its the first issue and save your hope for better issues in the series.
Re: Transformers: Autocracy Review - Are These Our Autobots? (1335340)
Posted by Burn on January 18th, 2012 @ 3:02pm CST
Well it was better than MTMTE #1.

But all it really did was make me believe in the Decepticon cause more.
Re: Transformers: Autocracy Review - Are These Our Autobots? (1335438)
Posted by RK_Striker_JK_5 on January 18th, 2012 @ 6:34pm CST
Okay, will the grimmification of the good guys please stop? I'm tired of the friggin' Decepticons sometimes coming off better than the Autobots!
Re: Transformers: Autocracy Review - Are These Our Autobots? (1335455)
Posted by Sabrblade on January 18th, 2012 @ 6:59pm CST
RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:Okay, will the grimmification of the good guys please stop? I'm tired of the friggin' Decepticons sometimes coming off better than the Autobots!
This makes me wanna start listing all the times the story got uber dark, gritty, and edgy like this.

Let's see, G2 comics, Beast Machines, War Within comics, Keepers Trilogy, first arc of Kiss Players, All Hail Megatron comics, Bay Movies, Prime cartoon... any others?
Re: Transformers: Autocracy Review - Are These Our Autobots? (1335550)
Posted by Michael Alex Kawa on January 19th, 2012 @ 1:35am CST
Since Bay's movies it seems like the Autobots :BOT: have been acting like cons ,i guess it's the whole "Shoot them up games " generation . I am not surprised that Flint Dille is the writer ,since he writes for those type of games " The Chronicles of Riddick: Escape from Butcher Bay, and Dead to Rights " .You would think that any one involved with the Transformers :BOT: :CON: would remember what he did to G1 season three .There should be a law ,not to let him write for the bots .But the art does look great .
Re: Transformers: Autocracy Review - Are These Our Autobots? (1335563)
Posted by iaconportland on January 19th, 2012 @ 3:44am CST
Sorry, if Flint Dille is involved, count me out. I still haven't forgiven him for killing Optimus Prime in 1986.

Okay, I kid - this looks great...hopefully I'll be able to grab it.
Re: Transformers: Autocracy Review - Are These Our Autobots? (1336007)
Posted by DTR69 on January 20th, 2012 @ 7:07am CST
RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:Okay, will the grimmification of the good guys please stop? I'm tired of the friggin' Decepticons sometimes coming off better than the Autobots!


Exactly, it's there way of being different but it goes deeper than that. On the outside it's trying to look like they are diverting from the tetx book goodies Vs Baddies, and actually being fair and looking at both sides of the coin. And this is kool in some respects as baddies don't neciserily think they are bad, they think that they are the good guys, it's that one side has a twisted sense of morality, it's stupid when baddies are portrayed as being bad for the sake of being bad, they have a cause too. But this is were it gets gay. Am I the only person her ewho thinks that it is trying to reflect reality and current affairs.
The simpsons movie and Avatar are all Hollywoods way of saying we understand the world and it's plight and we all have to be better people, please forgive us mother nature we did not know what we we were doing. The same goes here, this is trying to say we understand the Iraqi civillians and we understand the taliban, and we are the goodd guys but we have treated the civilians bad and hurt inocent people, but it's our leaders that are bad and ignorant, but we stand here with open arms and want to change, please teach us we can learn so much from you. It's away of looking humble and showing that we all do bad things.
This is not a bad thing as it is true to real life, I just don'tlike the fact it's done in a hidden way and packaged in Transformers. My othe rargument is that, I'm tired of transformers behaving like humans, even Bays formers had some behavioral differences, but thios is too much like us. Like in the animate dmovie when Unicron eats the planet and all the alien robots are at a bar. War is about exploitation, in the G1 cartoon the Decepticons coild fly and that was there evolvement which gave them power an dthe sense that they were different. The transforming aspect needs to be explored more such as, supremacy over non transforming robots. Morality needs to be explored, transformers can be repaired to a certain extent, so an injury is moire of an inconvieniance than an act of brutality. I want to be able to read this without pictures and know that I am reading a story about transforming robots, I don't want a story that could be written for any thing. Apart from the stale lesson in understanding which, will be arounf for a while longer, until that is too cliche and we wil go back to baddies eating puppies again.
Re: Transformers: Autocracy Review - Are These Our Autobots? (1336014)
Posted by Delicon on January 20th, 2012 @ 7:34am CST
iaconportland wrote:Sorry, if Flint Dille is involved, count me out. I still haven't forgiven him for killing Optimus Prime in 1986.

Okay, I kid - this looks great...hopefully I'll be able to grab it.


I know you were joking, but Flint is actually one of the coolest guys associated with the old G1 stuff in that he actually does still care about and follow with the opinions of TF fans. He's actually stated on his Facebook page that he's treating this as a work in progress and fan input will definitely have an impact on much of the story arc.
Re: Transformers: Autocracy Review - Are These Our Autobots? (1336027)
Posted by Chaoslock on January 20th, 2012 @ 8:31am CST
DTR69 wrote:
RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:Okay, will the grimmification of the good guys please stop? I'm tired of the friggin' Decepticons sometimes coming off better than the Autobots!


Exactly, it's there way of being different but it goes deeper than that. On the outside it's trying to look like they are diverting from the tetx book goodies Vs Baddies, and actually being fair and looking at both sides of the coin. And this is kool in some respects as baddies don't neciserily think they are bad, they think that they are the good guys, it's that one side has a twisted sense of morality, it's stupid when baddies are portrayed as being bad for the sake of being bad, they have a cause too. But this is were it gets gay. Am I the only person her ewho thinks that it is trying to reflect reality and current affairs.
The simpsons movie and Avatar are all Hollywoods way of saying we understand the world and it's plight and we all have to be better people, please forgive us mother nature we did not know what we we were doing. The same goes here, this is trying to say we understand the Iraqi civillians and we understand the taliban, and we are the goodd guys but we have treated the civilians bad and hurt inocent people, but it's our leaders that are bad and ignorant, but we stand here with open arms and want to change, please teach us we can learn so much from you. It's away of looking humble and showing that we all do bad things.
This is not a bad thing as it is true to real life, I just don'tlike the fact it's done in a hidden way and packaged in Transformers. My othe rargument is that, I'm tired of transformers behaving like humans, even Bays formers had some behavioral differences, but thios is too much like us. Like in the animate dmovie when Unicron eats the planet and all the alien robots are at a bar. War is about exploitation, in the G1 cartoon the Decepticons coild fly and that was there evolvement which gave them power an dthe sense that they were different. The transforming aspect needs to be explored more such as, supremacy over non transforming robots. Morality needs to be explored, transformers can be repaired to a certain extent, so an injury is moire of an inconvieniance than an act of brutality. I want to be able to read this without pictures and know that I am reading a story about transforming robots, I don't want a story that could be written for any thing. Apart from the stale lesson in understanding which, will be arounf for a while longer, until that is too cliche and we wil go back to baddies eating puppies again.


I think you are reading too much out of this, this isn't a taliban-iraqi "lesson" - otherwise, I agree with your post, I too hate those stories that can be put as a cover over every- and anything - and the first issue was really just like that. "We are the good guys, who doesn't stand with us, stand against us, and all our deeds are justified" - Meh.
Re: Transformers: Autocracy Review - Are These Our Autobots? (1336055)
Posted by DTR69 on January 20th, 2012 @ 9:42am CST
Chaoslock wrote:
DTR69 wrote:
RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:Okay, will the grimmification of the good guys please stop? I'm tired of the friggin' Decepticons sometimes coming off better than the Autobots!


Exactly, it's there way of being different but it goes deeper than that. On the outside it's trying to look like they are diverting from the tetx book goodies Vs Baddies, and actually being fair and looking at both sides of the coin. And this is kool in some respects as baddies don't neciserily think they are bad, they think that they are the good guys, it's that one side has a twisted sense of morality, it's stupid when baddies are portrayed as being bad for the sake of being bad, they have a cause too. But this is were it gets gay. Am I the only person her ewho thinks that it is trying to reflect reality and current affairs.
The simpsons movie and Avatar are all Hollywoods way of saying we understand the world and it's plight and we all have to be better people, please forgive us mother nature we did not know what we we were doing. The same goes here, this is trying to say we understand the Iraqi civillians and we understand the taliban, and we are the goodd guys but we have treated the civilians bad and hurt inocent people, but it's our leaders that are bad and ignorant, but we stand here with open arms and want to change, please teach us we can learn so much from you. It's away of looking humble and showing that we all do bad things.
This is not a bad thing as it is true to real life, I just don'tlike the fact it's done in a hidden way and packaged in Transformers. My othe rargument is that, I'm tired of transformers behaving like humans, even Bays formers had some behavioral differences, but thios is too much like us. Like in the animate dmovie when Unicron eats the planet and all the alien robots are at a bar. War is about exploitation, in the G1 cartoon the Decepticons coild fly and that was there evolvement which gave them power an dthe sense that they were different. The transforming aspect needs to be explored more such as, supremacy over non transforming robots. Morality needs to be explored, transformers can be repaired to a certain extent, so an injury is moire of an inconvieniance than an act of brutality. I want to be able to read this without pictures and know that I am reading a story about transforming robots, I don't want a story that could be written for any thing. Apart from the stale lesson in understanding which, will be arounf for a while longer, until that is too cliche and we wil go back to baddies eating puppies again.


I think you are reading too much out of this, this isn't a taliban-iraqi "lesson" - otherwise, I agree with your post, I too hate those stories that can be put as a cover over every- and anything - and the first issue was really just like that. "We are the good guys, who doesn't stand with us, stand against us, and all our deeds are justified" - Meh.


Was just using Iraq as an example, most of our wars are the same, but it's the same moralistic humble high ground. But my main point is that, not only are they aliens but they are transforming robots, but there behaviour is too similar to humans, and westernised humans at that. SUrely there must be some areas that would be different, and it would be alot of fun to explore that, and war is about exploitation, and the evolvement of power. One side feels they have evolved in a more superior way and that they are better, or like dictators they have been gven power and us ethat to exploit those that provide that power. There are many variations but the point is that someone is exploiting someone else, it's those variations that should be outline din this story and the variation should be something specific to the transformer race. Even the way they talk is just too human. Anothe rthing that always puzzles me is the batman utility belt situation, there always seems to be a transformer who has a unique ability that others don't have a the right miment. WHy can only one transformer smell. These arer robots, so why can;t they all be uograded with that feature.
WHy do transformers transform, it's a drastic rac trait to have been given or evolve, so why doesn;t it play a greater roll. I think it's such a deal breakker, and I find it hard to understand why it is hard for game developers to make it essential to transform in games, even fighting I can see it so useful, to be able to drive into an enemy then transform and start layoing into them all in one move, but even in wfc it seems liek an after thought. WHy aren't there alt modes more war friendly, remeber when soundwave transforms into street furniture, yes a boring alt mode, but thats useful in a war.
From the outsid ethis looks to be a matur gritty story with alot of promise and going straight for the jugular, but it still lacks the point of what it is to be a transformer. All life is form follows function and if hey are making them life like as possible, they need to follow there function which is transforming robot snot human beings. It's like old Marvel comics when the illustrators drew the hands like humans as it was easy to draw what they knew, and the same goes here for the writers, they are writing a great story becuas ethe subject matter is base don what they know, ot's time they looked at the subjetc matter and take a reall risk and write about what they don't know, they can;t research it, bit hey can look at how, morals differ across the globe, and how animals conduct there lives and how the difference in form and function dictates there morals an dbehaviour, even location plays a big part, so does situation, a lack of food energy or whatever, makes people act different ly, but different types of people act differently in those situations, so surely a robot race would also have differences. Yes they are showing prime not to be perfect, but I want to see something different than what is hown in human stories. I hat eBay films, but there's that moment when ironhode wants to shoot spikes dog, as he doesn't understand the human and og relationship, he thinks its just like a rat, that is what I'm talking about, I don't want to see robots in a bar drinking oil, I don;t want to see a non gender race, having fembots with robot titties, I want to see things I have never seen before, maybe they do drink oil socialy, but not in a bar eating energon goodies.
Yes this id different but not different enough, and differnt for the sake of different is not different it's actually the norm nowdays. If this is the best they can do then I'll accept ti, as it's nice to see a mature approach and it's a step in the right direction, and teh detah of prime, was a sign that they are willing to take things further, and it shows that G1 is not just a story to be recycled, it is actually alive and kicking, mores o than when it wa sin it's hayday.
Re: Transformers: Autocracy Review - Are These Our Autobots? (1336133)
Posted by Delicon on January 20th, 2012 @ 12:15pm CST
DTR69 wrote:
Chaoslock wrote:
DTR69 wrote:
RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:Okay, will the grimmification of the good guys please stop? I'm tired of the friggin' Decepticons sometimes coming off better than the Autobots!


Exactly, it's there way of being different but it goes deeper than that. On the outside it's trying to look like they are diverting from the tetx book goodies Vs Baddies, and actually being fair and looking at both sides of the coin. And this is kool in some respects as baddies don't neciserily think they are bad, they think that they are the good guys, it's that one side has a twisted sense of morality, it's stupid when baddies are portrayed as being bad for the sake of being bad, they have a cause too. But this is were it gets gay. Am I the only person her ewho thinks that it is trying to reflect reality and current affairs.
The simpsons movie and Avatar are all Hollywoods way of saying we understand the world and it's plight and we all have to be better people, please forgive us mother nature we did not know what we we were doing. The same goes here, this is trying to say we understand the Iraqi civillians and we understand the taliban, and we are the goodd guys but we have treated the civilians bad and hurt inocent people, but it's our leaders that are bad and ignorant, but we stand here with open arms and want to change, please teach us we can learn so much from you. It's away of looking humble and showing that we all do bad things.
This is not a bad thing as it is true to real life, I just don'tlike the fact it's done in a hidden way and packaged in Transformers. My othe rargument is that, I'm tired of transformers behaving like humans, even Bays formers had some behavioral differences, but thios is too much like us. Like in the animate dmovie when Unicron eats the planet and all the alien robots are at a bar. War is about exploitation, in the G1 cartoon the Decepticons coild fly and that was there evolvement which gave them power an dthe sense that they were different. The transforming aspect needs to be explored more such as, supremacy over non transforming robots. Morality needs to be explored, transformers can be repaired to a certain extent, so an injury is moire of an inconvieniance than an act of brutality. I want to be able to read this without pictures and know that I am reading a story about transforming robots, I don't want a story that could be written for any thing. Apart from the stale lesson in understanding which, will be arounf for a while longer, until that is too cliche and we wil go back to baddies eating puppies again.


I think you are reading too much out of this, this isn't a taliban-iraqi "lesson" - otherwise, I agree with your post, I too hate those stories that can be put as a cover over every- and anything - and the first issue was really just like that. "We are the good guys, who doesn't stand with us, stand against us, and all our deeds are justified" - Meh.


Was just using Iraq as an example, most of our wars are the same, but it's the same moralistic humble high ground. But my main point is that, not only are they aliens but they are transforming robots, but there behaviour is too similar to humans, and westernised humans at that. SUrely there must be some areas that would be different, and it would be alot of fun to explore that, and war is about exploitation, and the evolvement of power. One side feels they have evolved in a more superior way and that they are better, or like dictators they have been gven power and us ethat to exploit those that provide that power. There are many variations but the point is that someone is exploiting someone else, it's those variations that should be outline din this story and the variation should be something specific to the transformer race. Even the way they talk is just too human. Anothe rthing that always puzzles me is the batman utility belt situation, there always seems to be a transformer who has a unique ability that others don't have a the right miment. WHy can only one transformer smell. These arer robots, so why can;t they all be uograded with that feature.
WHy do transformers transform, it's a drastic rac trait to have been given or evolve, so why doesn;t it play a greater roll. I think it's such a deal breakker, and I find it hard to understand why it is hard for game developers to make it essential to transform in games, even fighting I can see it so useful, to be able to drive into an enemy then transform and start layoing into them all in one move, but even in wfc it seems liek an after thought. WHy aren't there alt modes more war friendly, remeber when soundwave transforms into street furniture, yes a boring alt mode, but thats useful in a war.
From the outsid ethis looks to be a matur gritty story with alot of promise and going straight for the jugular, but it still lacks the point of what it is to be a transformer. All life is form follows function and if hey are making them life like as possible, they need to follow there function which is transforming robot snot human beings. It's like old Marvel comics when the illustrators drew the hands like humans as it was easy to draw what they knew, and the same goes here for the writers, they are writing a great story becuas ethe subject matter is base don what they know, ot's time they looked at the subjetc matter and take a reall risk and write about what they don't know, they can;t research it, bit hey can look at how, morals differ across the globe, and how animals conduct there lives and how the difference in form and function dictates there morals an dbehaviour, even location plays a big part, so does situation, a lack of food energy or whatever, makes people act different ly, but different types of people act differently in those situations, so surely a robot race would also have differences. Yes they are showing prime not to be perfect, but I want to see something different than what is hown in human stories. I hat eBay films, but there's that moment when ironhode wants to shoot spikes dog, as he doesn't understand the human and og relationship, he thinks its just like a rat, that is what I'm talking about, I don't want to see robots in a bar drinking oil, I don;t want to see a non gender race, having fembots with robot titties, I want to see things I have never seen before, maybe they do drink oil socialy, but not in a bar eating energon goodies.
Yes this id different but not different enough, and differnt for the sake of different is not different it's actually the norm nowdays. If this is the best they can do then I'll accept ti, as it's nice to see a mature approach and it's a step in the right direction, and teh detah of prime, was a sign that they are willing to take things further, and it shows that G1 is not just a story to be recycled, it is actually alive and kicking, mores o than when it wa sin it's hayday.


I'm going to go out on a limb and say that you aren't using Google Chrome. You may want to look into that, my friend. ;)
Re: Transformers: Autocracy Review - Are These Our Autobots? (1336313)
Posted by RK_Striker_JK_5 on January 20th, 2012 @ 6:52pm CST
Sabrblade wrote:
RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:Okay, will the grimmification of the good guys please stop? I'm tired of the friggin' Decepticons sometimes coming off better than the Autobots!
This makes me wanna start listing all the times the story got uber dark, gritty, and edgy like this.

Let's see, G2 comics, Beast Machines, War Within comics, Keepers Trilogy, first arc of Kiss Players, All Hail Megatron comics, Bay Movies, Prime cartoon... any others?

And... I either didn't like most of those or don't really care about them too much.
Re: Transformers: Autocracy Review - Are These Our Autobots? (1336328)
Posted by Sabrblade on January 20th, 2012 @ 7:20pm CST
RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:Okay, will the grimmification of the good guys please stop? I'm tired of the friggin' Decepticons sometimes coming off better than the Autobots!
This makes me wanna start listing all the times the story got uber dark, gritty, and edgy like this.

Let's see, G2 comics, Beast Machines, War Within comics, Keepers Trilogy, first arc of Kiss Players, All Hail Megatron comics, Bay Movies, Prime cartoon... any others?

And... I either didn't like most of those or don't really care about them too much.
Like I've said in the past, thank goodness for Rescue Bots. :D
Re: Transformers: Autocracy Review - Are These Our Autobots? (1337127)
Posted by RK_Striker_JK_5 on January 22nd, 2012 @ 6:35pm CST
Sabrblade wrote:
RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:Okay, will the grimmification of the good guys please stop? I'm tired of the friggin' Decepticons sometimes coming off better than the Autobots!
This makes me wanna start listing all the times the story got uber dark, gritty, and edgy like this.

Let's see, G2 comics, Beast Machines, War Within comics, Keepers Trilogy, first arc of Kiss Players, All Hail Megatron comics, Bay Movies, Prime cartoon... any others?

And... I either didn't like most of those or don't really care about them too much.
Like I've said in the past, thank goodness for Rescue Bots. :D

I don't need it that simple, but I also am rather sick to death of heroes acting more the villains than the actual villains.
Re: Transformers: Autocracy Review - Are These Our Autobots? (1337224)
Posted by Sabrblade on January 23rd, 2012 @ 1:12am CST
RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:I don't need it that simple, but I also am rather sick to death of heroes acting more the villains than the actual villains.
Dude, Rescue Bots is brilliant! Two episodes in and it's hooked me in. :D
Re: Transformers: Autocracy Review - Are These Our Autobots? (1337516)
Posted by RK_Striker_JK_5 on January 23rd, 2012 @ 6:35pm CST
Sabrblade wrote:
RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:I don't need it that simple, but I also am rather sick to death of heroes acting more the villains than the actual villains.
Dude, Rescue Bots is brilliant! Two episodes in and it's hooked me in. :D


Legit question. Are you serious? My interest might be... piqued.
Re: Transformers: Autocracy Review - Are These Our Autobots? (1337538)
Posted by Sabrblade on January 23rd, 2012 @ 8:06pm CST
RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:I don't need it that simple, but I also am rather sick to death of heroes acting more the villains than the actual villains.
Dude, Rescue Bots is brilliant! Two episodes in and it's hooked me in. :D


Legit question. Are you serious? My interest might be... piqued.
You haven't seen it yet? Dude, this show is SMART! It treats the audience with loads of respect, never talking down to us at all. It exceeded all my expectation by a landslide.

In my honest opinion, it accomplished more in just two episodes than Darkness Rising did in five. And, many others have openly stated that those two episodes alone featured more characterization than Prime did in its entire 26-episode first season.

And, this is just me, but it probably has the most unique and creative theme song of any Transformers series, being the very first lyrical TF theme song to not even have the word "Transformers" in it.

I plan to give a full fledged review of its first two episodes at some point, though I have already done informal reviews of them back when they aired.
Re: Transformers: Autocracy Review - Are These Our Autobots? (1337660)
Posted by MYoung23 on January 24th, 2012 @ 7:52am CST
I've read Autocracy and I liked it.

It continues the theme laid down in Megatron Origins that Megatron had a good reason to start an uprising. Autocracy draws a lot of parallels to situations of today. The Autobots of that time, well many of them, most likely did't see the government as bad and were just enforcing the rule of law. So when you have this uprising that turns into a war what is going to be their perspective?

It's the whole one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter notion. We see it in Israel and we saw another dynamic of it in Iraq where US forces in their effort to root out insurgents wound up harming the civilians they were supposed to be protecting and therefore turned more against them with their tactics.

Even though we know now that Megatron's cause was quickly corrupted by his psychopathic nature and megalomania the beginnings of it all weren't black and white.

I'm intrigued by the direction of Autocracy.
Re: Transformers: Autocracy Review - Are These Our Autobots? (1342291)
Posted by Chaoslock on February 3rd, 2012 @ 3:38pm CST
Autocracy #2: The writers succeeded in making a bigger idiot than TFA Sentinel Prime. Congratz.
Re: Transformers: Autocracy Review - Are These Our Autobots? (1343109)
Posted by RK_Striker_JK_5 on February 5th, 2012 @ 4:38pm CST
Chaoslock wrote:Autocracy #2: The writers succeeded in making a bigger idiot than TFA Sentinel Prime. Congratz.


... And my gladness of not buying the comics is reinforced a hundredfold.

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