Transformers Asia Masterpiece Shockwave to Include Megatron Gun Accessory

Stupid dang reissue Asia exclusives!! Dangit!!

itscramtastic wrote:Stupid dang reissue Asia exclusives!! Dangit!!

I am sure Shajaki will clue us in on how to get these extras independently of the figure

william-james88 wrote:

itscramtastic wrote:Stupid dang reissue Asia exclusives!! Dangit!!

I am sure Shajaki will clue us in on how to get these extras independently of the figure

If you have master piece sound wave, prime, seekers, and few others give shockwave that gun that came with master piece figures half master piece series figures come megaton gun mode

Only MP1 (and repains) and Soundwave came with Megatron. The seekers came with a clip to hold him under his nose in jet mode, but not the actual gun itself.

Yay! I don't have to give a flip about this added accessory at all! Thank you, Masterpiece Soundwave! So, does this mean Shockwave is also getting a reissue later this year? There already was a Hasbro Asia release with a collector coin along with the Takara release in March, right?

Wolfman Jake wrote:There already was a Hasbro Asia release with a collector coin along with the Takara release in March, right?

yes there is http://tfsource.com/masterpiece/mp-shockwave-coin/

The SW TT with the Megatron gun lacks a red dot on the scope.

I held off on picking up Shocky in case some kind of defect reared its head. Is he a good masterpiece?

RiddlerJ wrote:I held off on picking up Shocky in case some kind of defect reared its head. Is he a good masterpiece?

Yes but you don't get as much bang for your buck

william-james88 wrote:

RiddlerJ wrote:I held off on picking up Shocky in case some kind of defect reared its head. Is he a good masterpiece?

Yes but you don't get as much bang for your buck

Constructive counterpoint.

Aside from the lack of pew pew sounds and the "gerwalk" modes, he does everything what the G1 version does and better (articulation wise with some limitations of course)

Design wise, a more proportional emphasis to the anime

Minimum parts forming

Nuclear reactor conduit connector now a slinky (no more rubber rot)

Colors (well up to personal taste)

fenrir72 wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

RiddlerJ wrote:I held off on picking up Shocky in case some kind of defect reared its head. Is he a good masterpiece?

Yes but you don't get as much bang for your buck

Constructive counterpoint.

Aside from the lack of pew pew sounds and the "gerwalk" modes, he does everything what the G1 version does and better (articulation wise with some limitations of course)

Design wise, a more proportional emphasis to the anime

Minimum parts forming

Nuclear reactor conduit connector now a slinky (no more rubber rot)

Colors (well up to personal taste)

I agree, but you just made my point more clear. Bang for your buck means you arent getting as much considering the money you spent. G1 Shockwave cost 24.86 in the 80s (and thats on the higher end)



Thats 50$ today. So now this new version, "aside from the lack of pew pew sounds and the "gerwalk" modes, he does everything what the G1 version does and better (articulation wise with some limitations of course)"... for 120-150$. So my point stands, for the money someone has to pay to get this, it is most certainly not guaranteed to be getting as much bang for your buck. For triple someone's cost, you are getting a slightly better toy and even that is highly debatable.

william-james88 wrote:

fenrir72 wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

RiddlerJ wrote:I held off on picking up Shocky in case some kind of defect reared its head. Is he a good masterpiece?

Yes but you don't get as much bang for your buck

Constructive counterpoint.

Aside from the lack of pew pew sounds and the "gerwalk" modes, he does everything what the G1 version does and better (articulation wise with some limitations of course)

Design wise, a more proportional emphasis to the anime

Minimum parts forming

Nuclear reactor conduit connector now a slinky (no more rubber rot)

Colors (well up to personal taste)

I agree, but you just made my point more clear. Bang for your buck means you arent getting as much considering the money you spent. G1 Shockwave cost 24.86 in the 80s (and thats on the higher end)



Thats 50$ today. So now this new version, "aside from the lack of pew pew sounds and the "gerwalk" modes, he does everything what the G1 version does and better (articulation wise with some limitations of course)"... for 120-150$. So my point stands, for the money someone has to pay to get this, it is most certainly not guaranteed to be getting as much bang for your buck. For triple someone's cost, you are getting a slightly better toy and even that is highly debatable.

3x the cost = inflation x import cost from middle men x increased shipping and handling and the price point is more or less the same as the old G1 figure. Kids aren't buying him anyway (overgrown man children on the other hand.....)

I also forgot,if you do own the original vintage, well you can no longer "play" with the item the way you can with the MP version.

Playing with a 30 year old toy is something I would not encourage. So I do encourage Riddler to get MP Shockwave. While he's still "cheap". Not kick himself in his hiney later like our other fellow collectors who are having a hard @zz time scoring let's say MP Soundwave due to their none availability and 3x 2ndary market prices/or if the re-issue comes and the price also increases.

fenrir72 wrote:
3x the cost = inflation x import cost from middle men x increased shipping and handling and the price point is more or less the same as the old G1 figure. Kids aren't buying him anyway (overgrown man children on the other hand.....)

Please stop with this misinformation. He is about 120$ in Japan. That is nowhere near what the G1 sold for when considering inflation. Please get your facts straight. Unless you are seriously saying and have proof that the MP is currently selling for 50$ new.

william-james88 wrote:

fenrir72 wrote:
3x the cost = inflation x import cost from middle men x increased shipping and handling and the price point is more or less the same as the old G1 figure. Kids aren't buying him anyway (overgrown man children on the other hand.....)

Please stop with this misinformation. He is about 120$ in Japan. That is nowhere near what the G1 sold for when considering inflation. Please get your facts straight. Unless you are seriously saying and have proof that the MP is currently selling for 50$ new.

Please also read what I posted. I added the cost of middle men and the shipping.



Misinformation my primus

we arent talking about the same thing here. I am talking about how much it was to buy G1 shockwave in the 80s. He offered more bang for your buck then, than the MP does now. No one can argue that.

william-james88 wrote:we arent talking about the same thing here. I am talking about how much it was to buy G1 shockwave in the 80s. He offered more bang for your buck then, than the MP does now. No one can argue that.

You confused?

I answered it already a few posts back. You didn't answer back YOUR accusation of my so called "misinformation"


I will enumerate:

Cost back in the 80s, computed with inflation today plus the purchasing power computing foreign exchange fluctuation plus add to the cost of middlemen and shipping and you got the current costing. $50.00 30 years ago can buy more groceries than now. Did I mention that MP Shockwave cost $50.00? Nowhere in my post did I claim it.It was "your faulty analysis" not mine (emphasis on yours).

Now you shift back to your opinion, emphasis on "opinion" as it is your "personal" which isn't the word of Primus. As is my opinion not the word of Primus.

Wish you would focus on one subject at a time because it is confusing you.

Question ... why are factoring in the middle man and import costs on a G1 figure when it was initially released in the 80's?

They were available in stores, for under $30US. Using an Inflation Calculator, that equates to about $65US in today's money.

Shockwave is currently available on HLJ for $125US, that's before shipping.

And I'd like to state for the record, I'm not taking sides here, I'm not getting into the "more bang for your buck" argument, I'm just curious as to how you come up with your figures.

Burn wrote:Question ... why are factoring in the middle man and import costs on a G1 figure when it was initially released in the 80's?

They were available in stores, for under $30US. Using an Inflation Calculator, that equates to about $65US in today's money.

Shockwave is currently available on HLJ for $125US, that's before shipping.

And I'd like to state for the record, I'm not taking sides here, I'm not getting into the "more bang for your buck" argument, I'm just curious as to how you come up with your figures.

Middleman on the MP Shockwave Burn. Tact in inflation and foreign exchange fluctuations and purchasing power. Not to mention all the R & D cost, credit lines to fund the product's creation etc. Why that was put up in the first place, ask wj88. The bang for the buck argument I constructively countered mentioned just the different or should I say near same features of both incarnations.

As for the pricing, now that we are at it unless you can travel back in time, the purchasing power back then really did you a bang for the buck. Using the inflation calculator is good and all but just converts things to just sterile statistics. It negates the actual hands on "feel" of purchasing an actual item.

The price for a Fortmax as an example back in the late 80s is just the price for MP BB. So today, will a US$ 65 still be able to buy the same amount of goods the way US$ 65 back in the 80s? Nope.

Is Shockwave overprized? Again no.

This is what you said.

3x the cost = inflation x import cost from middle men x increased shipping and handling and the price point is more or less the same as the old G1 figure.

From that I take it you're saying MP Shockwave is 3 times the cost of an adjusted for inflation G1 figure.

Except it's not. Straight from HLJ (for the sake of the argument we'll consider it a retail outlet) it's $125US. There's no import costs, no middle men, no increased shipping and handling. $125US is the straight up cost of MP Shockwave from a Japanese retail outlet.

A G1 Shockwave, for $30US bought in 1986, price adjusted for inflation is $65US. A $60 difference.

So again I ask, how do you come up with your figures?

Figures? The figures of wunderkind wj88 mentioned

Not mine but this is your $30 whatever(?)SRP 1984 for Shockwave. Now it's $ 125 for MP. So multiply $ 30 x 4 (1984 prices) = $ 120.00. So now it's four times.

Your inflation calculator (I am assuming) says its $ 65 now. Fine. But nearly 30 years ago, you can buy things mucho for $ 30.00. Even back then, $ 65.00 can buy more.So literally, $30 does buy more back then.

I also mentioned the foreign exchange rate. It fluctuates too ( I don't think you would want to be bored with details on how much the Yen and dollar fluctuated wildly in the 80s but I somehow recall that the Yen's value increased to a point that it caused Harmony Gold to abandon further Robotech development). Does that not factor in the current cost?

I don't know what sweetheart deals various companies make with Hb/TT when they buy in bulk. No middlemen? Are you sure you won't consider amiami/hlj/bbts middlemen? If you don't like the term then proxies.

So back to the original post where I presented a constructive counterbalance to MP Shockwave not worth the cost of the original which then sidetrack to inflation etc.

MP Shockwave

no sfx
no gerwalk mode
more proportional
minimum parts forming
anime color
no rubber rut due to the slinky
improved articulation
different transform sequence which some members don't like (you can't please everyone hey?)

G1 Shocky

rubber rut
great ominous color
limited articulation
awesome
expensive (now due to 2ndary market prices)
dangerous to play with because it'sa fragile now.

then we got a history lesson on inflation etc which degenerated to what we are doing now.

RiddlerJ wrote:I held off on picking up Shocky in case some kind of defect reared its head. Is he a good masterpiece?

Hey, RiddlerJ, I think MP Shockwave is an excellent MP. I have purchased Ultra Magnus, Star Saber, and Hot Rod recently, and really appreciate each for what they are. Of the three four (I am not having a good weekend...), I find Shockwave to be the most enjoyable and playable figure. I'd say Star Saber is really cool too, but I find his transformation pretty simple and he's kinda big to fiddle with. Plus, I am more invested in Shockwave as a character and was happy to get a more modern iteration.

I have the Radio Shackwave, and that figure is showing its age with some aspects of the transformation becoming difficult (like splitting the legs). The MP has had some reported issues with one leg panel not staying in place very well, but that is not the case with mine. (Also, there was some disagreement with the color, though I really like it.)

I'd rate MP Shockwave a solid 8.5 out of 10. So, as a Masterpiece, I would definitely say he is good.

If the question is whether he is worth the cost, I might defer to the last several pages, or just point to Ebay where he goes from $50 or so (I think these are KOs though they are being described as G1 MISB...) to a little less than $100 for loose, good condition, to several hundred for what are probably more legit MIB G1 figures. The MP also comes with translucent hands and gun hand to swap, and a miniature version of himself so he can wield himself.

Oh, and what was mentioned before, the slinky hose of awesomeness!!

RiddlerJ wrote:I held off on picking up Shocky in case some kind of defect reared its head. Is he a good masterpiece?

Yes, in my opinion. My only real complaint is the lack of tampographed symbols.

But you could always wait for a sale (Black Friday, Cyber Monday, Spring Clearance, etc.) He's still available at pre-order price on HLJ and as of writing this, it doesn't look like he's going anywhere any time soon since he's not marked "low stock" yet.

And it wouldn't surprise me if Takara will release another one down the line, sporting a different deco.

Cyberpath wrote:

RiddlerJ wrote:I held off on picking up Shocky in case some kind of defect reared its head. Is he a good masterpiece?

Yes, in my opinion. My only real complaint is the lack of tampographed symbols.

But you could always wait for a sale (Black Friday, Cyber Monday, Spring Clearance, etc.) He's still available at pre-order price on HLJ and as of writing this, it doesn't look like he's going anywhere any time soon since he's not marked "low stock" yet.

And it wouldn't surprise me if Takara will release another one down the line, sporting a different deco.

Yup. The trouble with the official decals is that when it comes to angle parts (I put the Destron sigil on his chest, the folds bulge. I'm hoping for the official Destron sigil decal from Ocean Designs.

And emphasis again, this MP is worth it. You know you want him

Shockwave from The Search for Alpha Trion, recreated with MP-29 --

Cyberpath wrote:Shockwave from The Search for Alpha Trion, recreated with MP-29 --

by OptimusTimelord

Click for the original animation.

Agamemnon wrote:

RiddlerJ wrote:I held off on picking up Shocky in case some kind of defect reared its head. Is he a good masterpiece?

Oh, and what was mentioned before, the slinky hose of awesomeness!!

Everyone loves the slinky!

My replacement figure arrived today! Looks fine, no missing pieces that I can tell. HLJ was great about it.

Transformed him from memory, really easy. Still impressed with his light piping, all it takes is putting him on the desk -- zoom!

Check out what MP-29 Shockwave can do unaided --

People might still complain that the gun has to point way too high in order to do that.

Cyberpath wrote:Shockwave from The Search for Alpha Trion, recreated with MP-29 --

by OptimusTimelord

Click for the original animation.

Who did he use for Astrotrain?

[BW] Rainmaker wrote:Who did he use for Astrotrain?

"Transportation Captain" from Fancy Cell Toys.

Just finished a set of LR44 batteries after 5 days (what?)

william-james88 wrote:

RiddlerJ wrote:I held off on picking up Shocky in case some kind of defect reared its head. Is he a good masterpiece?

Yes but you don't get as much bang for your buck

HLJ has him on sale now, $95 instead of $125 --

http://hlj.com/product/TKT85488?utm_source=seibertron.com&=&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=news%20post

Cyberpath wrote:Just finished a set of LR44 batteries after 5 days (what?)

Like, they're dead? Cause I've had that problem with my Shockwave since I got it with it draining them within a day. I'm really not sure why though... I just stopped replacing them after the 3rd time. The Other batteries(Wasn't it some AAAs?) are fine though.

Yeah, it seemingly finished two sets of LR44. I tested all four batteries in the tester, two were completely drained; two still had some "energon" left in them (I think one of each set)... so I put them back, and a week later they still work.

AAA's are still okay.

How d'you like them stickers?



I went with the Outline Symbols because Shockwave's forearms are already purple.

One hand took two orders from reprolabels and four stickers till I got it juuust right.

He looked "naked" without them.



(Thanks Ravage XK & Insurgent. And Cobs, for the reassurance. )

Cyberpath wrote:

How did you get your Shockwave's shade of purple to look so dark in that image?

CP - I think you chose the right stickers, and the application looks TIGHT!
Nice work!

Now carry out your dastardly plans Sir Shockwave.

Sabrblade wrote:

Cyberpath wrote:

How did you get your Shockwave's shade of purple to look so dark in that image?

This is what he looks like in-hand. The stock photos are a different shade strangely enough.

Cobotron wrote:CP - I think you chose the right stickers, and the application looks TIGHT!
Nice work!

Now carry out your dastardly plans Sir Shockwave.

Thanks! Heh!

Now what to do about Ratchet... Does alcohol work for painted figures, too?

Looking mighty sharp there. The outline ones were definately a good choice to go for.

Cyberpath wrote:

Which should I wear today?

Kind of wish Takara had included a transparent left hand, too. So he could do this...



Can't put this figure down. He's so fun, and the likeness to the cartoon is too cool.

Insurgent wrote:Looking mighty sharp there. The outline ones were definately a good choice to go for.

Thanks!

Masterpiece MP-29 Shockwave is being reissued by Hasbro Asia and as with the reissue of MP Ironhide, Shockwave comes with a die cast accessory. In Shockwave's case, it's a die cast Megatron in gun mode and we finally have a good look at it thanks to Hobby Base. It is a monochrome die cast gun, different from the Masterpiece Megatron Gun accessory that was previously released with various other toys (ex: MP Soundwave).
This reissue is coming next month and can be preordered at most online retailers, for about $170, except for those that only carry Japanese products, since this is not a Japanese release.

Enjoy the new images!

I'm waiting to see if they glue an orange tip on the end of the barrel.

I wish they had have kept the coins.

Deathsanras wrote:I wish they had have kept the coins.

Shockwave already came with the coin:

http://www.agesthreeandup.com/mp-29-mas ... wave-coin/

Did Shockwave ever wield Megatron in gun mode? I don't remember his doing so.

Also, something I never noticed about the figure's packaging until now is a name discrepency between the Latin script and the Katakana. While the Latin script writes his name as "Destron Laserwave", the specific Katakana characters that correlate with his name write it instead as just "Laserwave". The word "Destron" is included, but not as a part of his name. It is included separately from his name in the usual placement that simply denotes a MP's faction. Therefore, while the Latin script might have had Trademark issues in using just "Laserwave", the Katakana evidently did not.

Sabrblade wrote:Did Shockwave ever wield Megatron in gun mode? I don't remember his doing so.

Only Soundwave, Starscream, Skywarp, Optimus Prime and Autobot Spike.

You bastards! Why must you torture us after we've already purchased & own a Shockwave?!

Sabrblade wrote:Did Shockwave ever wield Megatron in gun mode? I don't remember his doing so.

Also, something I never noticed about the figure's packaging until now is a name discrepency between the Latin script and the Katakana. While the Latin script writes his name as "Destron Laserwave", the specific Katakana characters that correlate with his name write it instead as just "Laserwave". The word "Destron" is included, but not as a part of his name. It is included separately from his name in the usual placement that simply denotes a MP's faction. Therefore, while the Latin script might have had Trademark issues in using just "Laserwave", the Katakana evidently did not.

That's Takara or Hb problem right? And since this is an Asian release, no problem with this TM non issues.

fenrir72 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Did Shockwave ever wield Megatron in gun mode? I don't remember his doing so.

Also, something I never noticed about the figure's packaging until now is a name discrepency between the Latin script and the Katakana. While the Latin script writes his name as "Destron Laserwave", the specific Katakana characters that correlate with his name write it instead as just "Laserwave". The word "Destron" is included, but not as a part of his name. It is included separately from his name in the usual placement that simply denotes a MP's faction. Therefore, while the Latin script might have had Trademark issues in using just "Laserwave", the Katakana evidently did not.

That's Takara or Hb problem right? And since this is an Asian release, no problem with this TM non issues.

The packaging is the same Takara packaging as the original release. The name difference between the Katakana and Latin script is just something I only just now noticed.