Transformers Age of Extinction Available on Digital HD Today

Just downloaded it onto my PS4. It started playing right after I bought it. This is badass!!!

If the wait to own Transformers Age of Extinction of DVD or Blu-Ray is getting harder by the day, a few behind the scenes clips are available to give you a little relief. Parade Magazine has uploaded to its Youtube channel an exclusive behind the scenes clip where "Stanley Tucci keeps Sophia Myles laughing on the set of Transformers: Age of Extinction". Comic Book Movie also has an exclusive clip on its Youtube channel entitled "Bad Guys". Last but not least is Break.com whose exclusive clip is from "The Last Stand" featurette. The two Youtube videos have been embedded for you while the clip from "The Last Stand" featurette can be seen here.

Grammer nearly swore for a sec in that clip.

I love Grammer. I really wish he wasn't killed off. I would have loved to see him in more TransFormers movies. Still, I'm grateful he was in AOE. He brought such a much needed, serious tone to this movie.

ConBotFormer wrote:I love Grammer. I really wish he wasn't killed off. I would have loved to see him in more TransFormers movies. Still, I'm grateful he was in AOE. He brought such a much needed, serious tone to this movie.

I too wish he hadn't been killed off, but for different reasons, which I'll go into once I get to finishing/posting my review of the movie.

I have a question to ask the local mods of this forum.

I am finally almost done typing up my review of the movie and hope to have it posted sometime this week. However, it is so massive in length that it cannot fit into just one post. I'm aware that this site is wary of people posting multiple consecutive posts at a time (i.e. - double-posting, triple-posting, etc.), so I'm asking about this before I post my review.

Would I be permitted to post my review in full all in one go via multiple-posting, or should I instead break down my review into sections and post each of those individually over a duration of time, allowing other users to respond in between each of my review posts?

Sabrblade wrote:I have a question to ask the local mods of this forum.

I am finally almost done typing up my review of the movie and hope to have it posted sometime this week. However, it is so massive in length that it cannot fit into just one post. I'm aware that this site is wary of people posting multiple consecutive posts at a time (i.e. - double-posting, triple-posting, etc.), so I'm asking about this before I post my review.

Would I be permitted to post my review in full all in one go via multiple-posting, or should I instead break down my review into sections and post each of those individually over a duration of time, allowing other users to respond in between each of my review posts?

Breaking it up, allowing others to respond, will make it much easier to deal with if there's any fallout due to opinions and clashes. Plus it'll look neater than a double post with a wall of text that most won't take the time to read, and chances are they'll respond TL;DR or "^ THIS" again and again.

So yes to breaking it up in pieces, no to double posting. Now, if you have a blog or Facebook and you want to link us to the entire review in one piece when it's all said and done, that would be fine too.

Yay, the Bluray and DVDs are out now. Even though I have the digital copy, I'm still buying every version, ever.

Coinciding with and celebrating the release today of the Transformers: Age of Extinction DVD and Blu-Ray editions - and our exciting Seibertron.com/Paramount giveaway competition - entertainment website Comic Book Resources have taken the opportunity to have a chat with voice actor Peter Cullen, the voice of Optimus Prime in many of his incarnations. The clip can be found below, and more here.

To celebrate the release of Transformers: Age of Extinction on Blu-ray, Paramount Studios held a special “Behind the Wheel” press event in Las Vegas, where CBR’s Steve Sunu was able to get behind the wheel of some of the types of cars used in the summer blockbuster.

After tearing through a 7-turn track in an Audi R8 and Lamborghini Gallardo Ip560-4, which he opened up to over 100 mph, Sunu sat down with Peter Cullen, the iconic voice of Optimus Prime, to discuss his legacy over the last 30 years of Transformers and how grateful he is for having the opportunity to bring to life a character who has had a positive influence over several generations of fans.

Sunu also spoke with driver Sli Lewis, who was responsible for some of the film’s dangerous stunts, about his earliest experience behind the wheel, and his father’s immediate pride at his son’s driving prowess.

After the guy asked Cullen about his voicing him for 30 years, I noticed there was a cut between the question and answer, so I'm betting that before Cullen gave his answer, he might have clarified to the guy that he didn't voice Optimus during the 1988-2006 years, and then had that cut out.

just once id like someone to ask cullen how he feels about prime becoming a murderer and wanting to kill humans, i really want to know his take on that aspect of bay prime.

Megatron Wolf wrote:just once id like someone to ask cullen how he feels about prime becoming a murderer and wanting to kill humans, i really want to know his take on that aspect of bay prime.

As a preview of what is to come, Cullen once did speak about that and I will be covering it in my forthcoming review of the AOE movie.

Megatron Wolf wrote:just once id like someone to ask cullen how he feels about prime becoming a murderer and wanting to kill humans, i really want to know his take on that aspect of bay prime.

No metter how stupid Michael Bay is, thanks to him Cullen have money. So it's hard to belive that Peter would attacks him personally. But I must say, I would gladly pay him more just to see how he insults Bay in public

I just noticed that after Optimus "bests," Grimlock, when Crosshairs is talking about Optimus's leadership, when Drift starts to walk, the plate on his leg goes through his "belt," piece. This surprised me because I never noticed any mistakes like that in any of the other 3 movies.

I'm sure everyone has already voiced their opinion on the various movies thus far.. I liked the first movie only after Transfans stepped in and told Bay what he was doing wrong. That movie turned out pretty good. When the 2nd movie came out, you could clearly see how he didn't take the advice of a lot of fans and went in a totally different direction with the twins and Devastator. Kind of irritated me TBH. 3rd and 4th movies weren't much better. I've watched AOE 4 times now, but each time I watched it(including when I saw it in theatres), I was bored and confused at the same time. The dialogue was way too fast, way too confusing, same types of action as the first 3 movies.. And I really didn't understand the whole Dinobots thing. When did Lockdown recover Grimlock? Last I knew he was still frozen in the ice! Then Prime rescues the Legendary Knights (Dinobots) and they are all following him out. He then tells them to follow him and help him out, but to do so they first need to fight him?? Totally didn't make any sense whatsoever. Then Grimlock gives up that easily?? I kept thinking.. WTF is going on here???? Then after the battle, Prime disappears off of Earth and just leaves the Dinobots to roam Earth? This had so many questions written all over it that I just thought.. screw it.. I hope this is the end of my misery, that Bay will leave cartoon based movies alone (even though he's messing up TMNT) and someone else will step in that actually LIKES space/alien type movies. JJ Abrams perhaps? I realize I haven't said much on these forums the last 6 years.. but I remember when I went to Botcon 2001, I heard about the first movie coming out.. It took 6 more years to finally show up. So I was excited. As the movies have rolled out, I've become less and less interested. I just think it could have been a lot better.

Smokescreen wrote:I'm sure everyone has already voiced their opinion on the various movies thus far.. I liked the first movie only after Transfans stepped in and told Bay what he was doing wrong. That movie turned out pretty good. When the 2nd movie came out, you could clearly see how he didn't take the advice of a lot of fans and went in a totally different direction with the twins and Devastator. Kind of irritated me TBH. 3rd and 4th movies weren't much better. I've watched AOE 4 times now, but each time I watched it(including when I saw it in theatres), I was bored and confused at the same time. The dialogue was way too fast, way too confusing, same types of action as the first 3 movies.. And I really didn't understand the whole Dinobots thing. When did Knockout recover Grimlock? Last I knew he was still frozen in the ice! Then Prime rescues the Legendary Knights (Dinobots) and they are all following him out. He then tells them to follow him and help him out, but to do so they first need to fight him?? Totally didn't make any sense whatsoever. Then Grimlock gives up that easily?? I kept thinking.. WTF is going on here???? Then after the battle, Prime disappears off of Earth and just leaves the Dinobots to roam Earth? This had so many questions written all over it that I just thought.. screw it.. I hope this is the end of my misery, that Bay will leave cartoon based movies along (even though he's messing up TMNT) and someone else will step in that actually LIKES space/alien type movies. JJ Abrahms perhaps? I realize I haven't said much on these forums the last 6 years.. but I remember when I went to Botcon 2001, I heard about the first movie coming out.. It took 6 more years to finally show up. So I was excited. As the movies have rolled out, I've become less and less interested. I just think it could have been a lot better.

A few points, as far as I know, the first movie never went under any serious changes as it was what Spielberg wanted it to be, about a boy and his first car. The second movie suffered because of the writer's strike. Paramount wanted the movie out on time leaving to the last and cheapest option, Bay writing and finishing the script.

The third movie...I didn't like. AoE: are you sure you have watched the movie? Knockout? You mean Lockdown?

Also TMNT, Bay had little involvement with that movie. In fact I've heard good things. Plus not everything Abrams have done is gold, cloverfield? Plus you want a fan on these movies? Or someone who brings in the money....like Bay.

Smokescreen wrote:I'm sure everyone has already voiced their opinion on the various movies thus far.. I liked the first movie only after Transfans stepped in and told Bay what he was doing wrong. That movie turned out pretty good. When the 2nd movie came out, you could clearly see how he didn't take the advice of a lot of fans and went in a totally different direction with the twins and Devastator. Kind of irritated me TBH. 3rd and 4th movies weren't much better. I've watched AOE 4 times now, but each time I watched it(including when I saw it in theatres), I was bored and confused at the same time. The dialogue was way too fast, way too confusing, same types of action as the first 3 movies.. And I really didn't understand the whole Dinobots thing. When did Knockout recover Grimlock? Last I knew he was still frozen in the ice! Then Prime rescues the Legendary Knights (Dinobots) and they are all following him out. He then tells them to follow him and help him out, but to do so they first need to fight him?? Totally didn't make any sense whatsoever. Then Grimlock gives up that easily?? I kept thinking.. WTF is going on here???? Then after the battle, Prime disappears off of Earth and just leaves the Dinobots to roam Earth? This had so many questions written all over it that I just thought.. screw it.. I hope this is the end of my misery, that Bay will leave cartoon based movies along (even though he's messing up TMNT) and someone else will step in that actually LIKES space/alien type movies. JJ Abrahms perhaps? I realize I haven't said much on these forums the last 6 years.. but I remember when I went to Botcon 2001, I heard about the first movie coming out.. It took 6 more years to finally show up. So I was excited. As the movies have rolled out, I've become less and less interested. I just think it could have been a lot better.

It doesn't seem like you even watched the movie. There is no Knockout, and Grimlock was never in ice. And the Dinobots have always been the type where you have to prove yourself for them to follow you. And how the hell is the dialogue confusing?

ZeroWolf wrote:AoE: are you sure you have watched the movie? Knockout? You mean Lockdown?

Also TMNT, Bay had little involvement with that movie. In fact I've heard good things. Plus not everything Abrams have done is gold, cloverfield? Plus you want a fan on these movies? Or someone who brings in the money....like Bay.

Yes I've watched the movie. Watched it twice in theatres, once on an online website, and once now that I have the 3D/BluRay/DVD/Digital pack. Yes I meant to say Lockdown, I was writing this while scoping out other websites like bbts, RK, etc, etc, and got things changed around.

TMNT is directed by Bay. Nuff said.

I know not everything Abrams makes is gold, but he's put on quite the show for a few movies such as the 2 latest Star Trek movies. And no I'm not a Trekkie, but I actually "Liked" those movies.

And yes I want a fan on these movies working along side of a big director. Not just one or the other. This is what happened during the first movie. There are plenty of videos out there showing the outrage of Bay's leaks and how fans finally pushed their way in to throw in their 2 cents. I believe some of those videos can be seen in the 2 pack from the first movie.

SlyTF1 wrote:
It doesn't seem like you even watched the movie. There is no Knockout, and Grimlock was never in ice. And the Dinobots have always been the type where you have to prove yourself for them to follow you. And how the hell is the dialogue confusing?

Please scroll up to see the edit.

Have you watched the movie? Grimlock was in ice at the very beginning of the movie when the female (name?) from KSI came up to find out what was going on. Do you remember her passing thru the metal detector in the middle of nowhere, it going off, and then the archaeologist banging on Grimlocks teeth?

I think I already explained the dialogue situation. Way too fast, and in times not needed. Nuff said.

Like I said before, I'm sure everybody has made their own opinion about the movie, I'm just stating mine. Not looking for an argument, just throwing in my 2 cents.

Smokescreen wrote:TMNT is directed by Bay. Nuff said.

False. That movie was directed by Jonathan Liebesman. Bay was merely one of that film's SIX producers, and he wasn't even the executive producer.

Smokescreen wrote:Have you watched the movie? Grimlock was in ice at the very beginning of the movie when the female (name?) from KSI came up to find out what was going on. Do you remember her passing thru the metal detector in the middle of nowhere, it going off, and then the archaeologist banging on Grimlocks teeth?

False. That was not Grimlock. Nor was that dinosaur even of the same model design as Grimlock's. For one, it had a "mane" of sorts, which Grimlock did not have. And its teeth were laid out differently from Grimlock's, and its snout was a different shape from Grimlock's. If anything, it looked more like Scorn than it did Grimlock, but he too has differences that clash with the frozen dino's design.

Sabrblade wrote:False. That movie was directed by Jonathan Liebesman. Bay was merely one of that film's SIX producers, and he wasn't even the executive producer.

Gotcha, thanks for trying to prove everything I said was wrong. I get that out of these types of websites all the time. For the longest time, even on MichaelBay.com it was talked about how he would be directing the movie. So apparently at some point and time he switched over to being a producer and Jonathan became director. After I initially heard he was directing the movie, I stopped paying attention.

Sabrblade wrote:False. That was not Grimlock. Nor was that dinosaur even of the same model design as Grimlock's. For one, it had a "mane" of sorts, which Grimlock did not have. And its teeth were laid out differently from Grimlock's, and its snout was a different shape from Grimlock's. If anything, it looked more like Scorn than it did Grimlock, but he too has differences that clash with the frozen dino's design.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfJluhYbxCM 46 seconds. This isn't Grimlock? Hmm.. interesting. Sure made everyone believe it was him.

Smokescreen wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:False. That movie was directed by Jonathan Liebesman. Bay was merely one of that film's SIX producers, and he wasn't even the executive producer.

Gotcha, thanks for trying to prove everything I said was wrong. I get that out of these types of websites all the time. For the longest time, even on MichaelBay.com it was talked about how he would be directing the movie. So apparently at some point and time he switched over to being a producer and Jonathan became director. After I initially heard he was directing the movie, I stopped paying attention.

Here's one of the original announcements of his being involved at all with that movie, which pegs him as the producer, not the director - http://deadline.com/2010/05/platinum-dunes-steers-turtles-relaunch-44238/

Bay directing that movie was the stuff of fan rumor.

Smokescreen wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:False. That was not Grimlock. Nor was that dinosaur even of the same model design as Grimlock's. For one, it had a "mane" of sorts, which Grimlock did not have. And its teeth were laid out differently from Grimlock's, and its snout was a different shape from Grimlock's. If anything, it looked more like Scorn than it did Grimlock, but he too has differences that clash with the frozen dino's design.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfJluhYbxCM 46 seconds. This isn't Grimlock? Hmm.. interesting. Sure made everyone believe it was him.

Nope. That ain't Grimlock or anybody.

What's more is that there was a time where the Dinobots weren't even going to be in this movie (they were gonna be in the next one, with this one foreshadowing them instead), yet it was still always going to open the way it did.

Sabrblade wrote:What's more is that there was a time where the Dinobots weren't even going to be in this movie (they were gonna be in the next one, with this one foreshadowing them instead), yet it was still always going to open the way it did.

As I recall, after the 2nd movie, there were talks about how Dinobots would be added in the 3rd movie. But then I didn't hear much more about it. I went to see the movie, and they had Deeno (which sounded like it should have been Mirage), and it was as if someone said.. here's your dinosaur, now be gone. Now I know that may not be the case, but I personally felt misled by the whole ordeal, and that Bay was.. .. a DECEPTICON!

Smokescreen wrote:Gotcha, thanks for trying to prove everything I said was wrong. I get that out of these types of websites all the time.

You have to forgive our resident know-it-all Sabrblade, he is quick to point out the inaccuracies of a persons post and has an awfully habit of not being tactful about it.

In this particular case though he is correct, Bay wasn't the Director, merely a Producer, however to give the movie more push they used his name as, and a lot of Bay-Haters on this sight will hate to read this, people enjoy going to see Michael Bay movies, or movies he is heavily involved in.

Burn wrote:

Smokescreen wrote:Gotcha, thanks for trying to prove everything I said was wrong. I get that out of these types of websites all the time.

You have to forgive our resident know-it-all Sabrblade, he is quick to point out the inaccuracies of a persons post and has an awfully habit of not being tactful about it.

Ain't that the truth.

Burn wrote:You have to forgive our resident know-it-all Sabrblade, he is quick to point out the inaccuracies of a persons post and has an awfully habit of not being tactful about it.

Hello Burn, its ok, I'm used to coming across the "know-it-alls". Guess though I've been a member of the site for some time now, I just haven't used the forums.

Burn wrote:In this particular case though he is correct, Bay wasn't the Director, merely a Producer, however to give the movie more push they used his name as, and a lot of Bay-Haters on this sight will hate to read this, people enjoy going to see Michael Bay movies, or movies he is heavily involved in.

Yeah I did a little more research on the issue and saw that Bay was merely a producer. I'm not a Bay-hater per se, because I loved "The Island", as well as "Pearl Harbor". I thought hmm.. someone is actually willing to try to make a Transformers movie? cool.. lets see what he can do. The first movie turned out great and had a lot of cameos to the 1986 Transformers movie cartoon. I thought.. wow.. this is great. With the involvement of Transfans I saw why. With the last few movies, I think its best for him to walk away and do something else. (In my opinion)

But see you're blaming the Director. You're completely over-looking the writers.

First movie was Orci/Kurtzman, notorious for not being very original.
Second movie was interrupted by the writers strike, so was rushed, Orci/Kurtzman returned along with Ehran Kruger
Third movie was solely Kruger
Fourth movie was solely Kruger.

From my personal perspective, as the movies have progressed they've gotten worse. With each movie my viewing times in the cinemas has reduced from the initial movie (four times) to AoE (once).

One thing has remained consistent. The director.

What's changed, the writers.

I don't blame Bay, I blame the writers.

Smokescreen wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:False. That was not Grimlock. Nor was that dinosaur even of the same model design as Grimlock's. For one, it had a "mane" of sorts, which Grimlock did not have. And its teeth were laid out differently from Grimlock's, and its snout was a different shape from Grimlock's. If anything, it looked more like Scorn than it did Grimlock, but he too has differences that clash with the frozen dino's design.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfJluhYbxCM 46 seconds. This isn't Grimlock? Hmm.. interesting. Sure made everyone believe it was him.

Yeah, and by "everyone," you mean just you.

Well then lets get some new writers!

SlyTF1 wrote:
Yeah, and by "everyone," you mean just you.

no. everyone as in everyone who I went to see the movie with. (and yes I went with a group of 10 of us) everyone who I've talked with about the movie. everyone EXCEPT for people on this website.

Smokescreen wrote:Well then lets get some new writers!

I would not have one problem with that at all.

Burn wrote:But see you're blaming the Director. You're completely over-looking the writers.

First movie was Orci/Kurtzman, notorious for not being very original.
Second movie was interrupted by the writers strike, so was rushed, Orci/Kurtzman returned along with Ehran Kruger
Third movie was solely Kruger
Fourth movie was solely Kruger.

From my personal perspective, as the movies have progressed they've gotten worse. With each movie my viewing times in the cinemas has reduced from the initial movie (four times) to AoE (once).

One thing has remained consistent. The director.

What's changed, the writers.

I don't blame Bay, I blame the writers.

It was already proved that Bay changed original scripts a lot, and that Movies with simple and naive plot (Godzilla and Hercules from this summer only) are consider good, or at least decent. Yet some people still belive that this isn't Bay's fault that his movies were disaster. I don't know how this conspiracy can be so long-living...

There's a big difference between taking something and changing it and creating something from scratch.

Of course he would have made changes, I would imagine all directors do that, but he did NOT re-write them. Thus blaming him solely is pointless.

Finally got around to seeing Age of Extinction. I have to say, though I'm not a huge fan of the overall style of the live-action films, this is definitely an improvement over the last two. The humor was definitely toned down, and I liked that there was a more compact set of characters. Every person in the movie felt like they had a reason for being there, and I liked that the whole family works together at the end to help defeat Lockdown. I also enjoyed Kelsey Grammar as Attinger.

I still wish they would get a better writer than Ehren Kruger. The guy doesn't seem to know how to make these movies connect and flow together. First it was the Allspark that created the Transformers and now it's these mysterious aliens? The Autobots seem to be pretty aware of the fact that they were made by aliens and that they had cyberformed Earth millions of years ago. So if they knew this the whole time, why were they saying that they were created by the Allspark in the first movie? And again, the incredible coincidences surrounding Earth are just annoying. Aliens cyberform Earth, then millions of years ago, the Fallen just happens to build the star harvester on Earth, then thousands of years later, the Allspark just happens to land on Earth, and then thousands of years later, Sentinel just happens to crash into Earth's moon. Sure is convenient.

Lockdown tells Prime that he wasn't born, he was built. I'm not really sure what he's getting at here... He could mean that all Transformers on their own, when in reality they are all manufactured by the Creators. This would contradict what Hound and Optimus say later when they speak candidly about their knowledge of aliens creating their race. It would also contradict the fact that the Decepticons were able to create hatchlings in Revenge of the Fallen. Or maybe he means the aliens created the first Transformers who then reproduced on their own for generations, but then the aliens built Optimus Prime to be some special Transformer. Or maybe he was just trying to tell Prime that aliens created the Cybertronian race and nothing more. But Optimus seems to already know this. Plus, if aliens created the Cybertronians and then later generations reproduced on their own, then Optimus would still have been born..not built.

So maybe that's what the Knights were? Special Transformers that were custom built by the creators and then reinserted into Cybertronian society with false memories so they wouldn't know of their true origins? Maybe that's what the Primes were? We don't know, because the movie is frustratingly vague about all this.

Speaking of vague, we don't know hardly anything about the Dinobots. From what I could gather, the Creators made them from dinosaurs when they cyberformed Earth...even though most of the other dinosaurs were just rendered down for their metal and made into normal Transformers. So maybe the Dinobots were some kind of experiment? Then somehow, they were told of in legends...it's not clear if they lived alongside the other Cybertronians, or what exactly happened to them between being created and being captured by Lockdown.

The idea of humans wanting to make their own Transformers is a neat idea, definitely one that's been around for a while in Transformers lore. Not a huge fan of the new, micro-cube style of transforming. Half the fun is watching all the pieces of the vehicle slide around, fold, and bend to reveal the robot form. I hope the old style of transformation returns in the next movie. I also wish they had done more classic Decepticons for this movie, or maybe had Double Dealer as one of Lockdown's henchmen.

The Autobot designs were definitely an improvement over abominations like Q and the twins. I kinda wish these Autobots would act a little more like heroes, though. Crosshairs openly talks about wishing he could kill all the others so he could be in charge. Hound kills a small animal on Lockdown's ship simply for spitting on him. It's hard for me to really sympathize with these characters when they're always screaming about killing everything in sight, hitting each other, calling everything a "bitch," etc. "I'm a fat ballerina who takes scalps and slits throats" has to be one of the worst lines of dialogue I've ever heard in a movie.

In closing, I think the movie was okay. Still not a huge fan of Michael Bay's style of directing, or Kruger's writing, but it's definitely better than the last two. Hopefully they keep improving.

Cthulhunicron wrote:Finally got around to seeing Age of Extinction. I have to say, though I'm not a huge fan of the overall style of the live-action films, this is definitely an improvement over the last two. The humor was definitely toned down, and I liked that there was a more compact set of characters. Every person in the movie felt like they had a reason for being there, and I liked that the whole family works together at the end to help defeat Lockdown. I also enjoyed Kelsey Grammar as Attinger.

I still wish they would get a better writer than Ehren Kruger. The guy doesn't seem to know how to make these movies connect and flow together. First it was the Allspark that created the Transformers and now it's these mysterious aliens? The Autobots seem to be pretty aware of the fact that they were made by aliens and that they had cyberformed Earth millions of years ago. So if they knew this the whole time, why were they saying that they were created by the Allspark in the first movie? And again, the incredible coincidences surrounding Earth are just annoying. Aliens cyberform Earth, then millions of years ago, the Fallen just happens to build the star harvester on Earth, then thousands of years later, the Allspark just happens to land on Earth, and then thousands of years later, Sentinel just happens to crash into Earth's moon. Sure is convenient.

Lockdown tells Prime that he wasn't born, he was built. I'm not really sure what he's getting at here... He could mean that all Transformers on their own, when in reality they are all manufactured by the Creators. This would contradict what Hound and Optimus say later when they speak candidly about their knowledge of aliens creating their race. It would also contradict the fact that the Decepticons were able to create hatchlings in Revenge of the Fallen. Or maybe he means the aliens created the first Transformers who then reproduced on their own for generations, but then the aliens built Optimus Prime to be some special Transformer. Or maybe he was just trying to tell Prime that aliens created the Cybertronian race and nothing more. But Optimus seems to already know this. Plus, if aliens created the Cybertronians and then later generations reproduced on their own, then Optimus would still have been born..not built.

So maybe that's what the Knights were? Special Transformers that were custom built by the creators and then reinserted into Cybertronian society with false memories so they wouldn't know of their true origins? Maybe that's what the Primes were? We don't know, because the movie is frustratingly vague about all this.

Speaking of vague, we don't know hardly anything about the Dinobots. From what I could gather, the Creators made them from dinosaurs when they cyberformed Earth...even though most of the other dinosaurs were just rendered down for their metal and made into normal Transformers. So maybe the Dinobots were some kind of experiment? Then somehow, they were told of in legends...it's not clear if they lived alongside the other Cybertronians, or what exactly happened to them between being created and being captured by Lockdown.

The idea of humans wanting to make their own Transformers is a neat idea, definitely one that's been around for a while in Transformers lore. Not a huge fan of the new, micro-cube style of transforming. Half the fun is watching all the pieces of the vehicle slide around, fold, and bend to reveal the robot form. I hope the old style of transformation returns in the next movie. I also wish they had done more classic Decepticons for this movie, or maybe had Double Dealer as one of Lockdown's henchmen.

The Autobot designs were definitely an improvement over abominations like Q and the twins. I kinda wish these Autobots would act a little more like heroes, though. Crosshairs openly talks about wishing he could kill all the others so he could be in charge. Hound kills a small animal on Lockdown's ship simply for spitting on him. It's hard for me to really sympathize with these characters when they're always screaming about killing everything in sight, hitting each other, calling everything a "****," etc. "I'm a fat ballerina who takes scalps and slits throats" has to be one of the worst lines of dialogue I've ever heard in a movie.

In closing, I think the movie was okay. Still not a huge fan of Michael Bay's style of directing, or Kruger's writing, but it's definitely better than the last two. Hopefully they keep improving.

The things about the Knights and the Creators are supposed to be vague. They still have 2 movies left to explain it all.

TurboMMaster wrote:

Burn wrote:But see you're blaming the Director. You're completely over-looking the writers.

First movie was Orci/Kurtzman, notorious for not being very original.
Second movie was interrupted by the writers strike, so was rushed, Orci/Kurtzman returned along with Ehran Kruger
Third movie was solely Kruger
Fourth movie was solely Kruger.

From my personal perspective, as the movies have progressed they've gotten worse. With each movie my viewing times in the cinemas has reduced from the initial movie (four times) to AoE (once).

One thing has remained consistent. The director.

What's changed, the writers.

I don't blame Bay, I blame the writers.

It was already proved that Bay changed original scripts a lot, and that Movies with simple and naive plot (Godzilla and Hercules from this summer only) are consider good, or at least decent. Yet some people still belive that this isn't Bay's fault that his movies were disaster. I don't know how this conspiracy can be so long-living...

But there is no conspiracy. People out there love these movies. Simple as. Everyone has their tastes. Also not everyone wants the live action movies to just be repeats of the not-very-good-at-all-when-looked-at-without-nostagia-goggles animated movie.

The things about the Knights and the Creators are supposed to be vague. They still have 2 movies left to explain it all.

I'll be very impressed if they do. I was hoping Transformers 3 would explain what the Fallen did between leaving Earth and his appearance in Transformers 2 but the whole thing got dropped and was never mentioned again. I was hoping Transformers 4 would shed some light on whether Sentinel was leaving Cybertron to look for the Allspark or if the Allspark was launched after he left, but the whole thing got dropped and was never mentioned again.

Cthulhunicron wrote:

The things about the Knights and the Creators are supposed to be vague. They still have 2 movies left to explain it all.

I'll be very impressed if they do. I was hoping Transformers 3 would explain what the Fallen did between leaving Earth and his appearance in Transformers 2 but the whole thing got dropped and was never mentioned again. I was hoping Transformers 4 would shed some light on whether Sentinel was leaving Cybertron to look for the Allspark or if the Allspark was launched after he left, but the whole thing got dropped and was never mentioned again.

The prequel comics mentioned that. I don't see why the movies would have to cover something that was already explained in the same continuity, twice. I thought that the reason they eliminated comics for AOE was specifically because people who didn't read the ones that came out with the first three were confused about it all. Thus, giving them the opportunity to explain everything in this new trilogy in the actual movies themselves.

Plus, I remember before the movie even came out, Bay said something about certain aspects in Lockdown's ship hinting at things that would be more fleshed out in sequels. And the entire ship was a Knight ship, so I assumed that's the concept he was talking about. I also remember the producer saying that if the fans wanted the Knights to be expanded upon, they would try do just that.

SlyTF1 wrote:The prequel comics mentioned that. I don't see why the movies would have to cover something that was already explained in the same continuity, twice.

You know the majority of those people who went to see the movies that helped each of them generate millions, and some times billions of dollars?

Yeah ... most of them don't read comics.

I really wish you'd step back and realise that nearly everyone else in the world isn't as narrow mindedly obsessed like you are, perhaps then you'd actually be more objective in these discussions.

The prequel comics mentioned that. I don't see why the movies would have to cover something that was already explained in the same continuity, twice. I thought that the reason they eliminated comics for AOE was specifically because people who didn't read the ones that came out with the first three were confused about it all. Thus, giving them the opportunity to explain everything in this new trilogy in the actual movies themselves.

I shouldn't have to read peripheral material such as prequel comics to understand a movie's plot. It's cool if they add something to the backstory, something that's not necessary to follow the actual films, but they shouldn't be essential reading. If I watch a film series, and things don't add up because I'm not reading the comics that are released at the same time as the film, then that's the fault of the film writers, not me.

besides, even if you do read the comics, it still doesn't quite make sense. According to the comics, the Primes trap the Fallen in another dimension, and then randomly he shows up in Revenge of the Fallen film, with no explanation of how he escaped.

Cthulhunicron wrote:

The things about the Knights and the Creators are supposed to be vague. They still have 2 movies left to explain it all.

I'll be very impressed if they do. I was hoping Transformers 3 would explain what the Fallen did between leaving Earth and his appearance in Transformers 2 but the whole thing got dropped and was never mentioned again. I was hoping Transformers 4 would shed some light on whether Sentinel was leaving Cybertron to look for the Allspark or if the Allspark was launched after he left, but the whole thing got dropped and was never mentioned again.

To be perfectly honest, Bay goes by the rule of cool, and doesn't really worry about minor details. That can be a good thing when applied to movies with less mythology and history to worry about, like Bad Boys and The Rock. But when you're talking about Transformers, a universe that has massive amounts of fictional history built into it...well, let's just say details aren't his forte.

To be fair, though, I'd rather not be reminded of ROTF ever again.

As for whether the questions posed in AoE will be answered in TF5 or not, I'm actually rather optimistic that they will. Of all 4 movies, AoE is the only movie that wrapped things up with a sort of "to be continued" ending, where you see Galvatron alive and promising revenge, and Optimus jetting off to search for the so-called Creators. In the last 3, it's just OP striking a heroic pose and giving an affected speech about humans and TF's, while Sam does whatever Sam does, nearby.

Cthulhunicron wrote:I shouldn't have to read peripheral material such as prequel comics to understand a movie's plot. It's cool if they add something to the backstory, something that's not necessary to follow the actual films, but they shouldn't be essential reading. If I watch a film series, and things don't add up because I'm not reading the comics that are released at the same time as the film, then that's the fault of the film writers, not me.

Agreed. A movie, novel or whatever medium in which a story is told should never rely on tie-ins to plug plot holes.

Burn wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote:The prequel comics mentioned that. I don't see why the movies would have to cover something that was already explained in the same continuity, twice.

You know the majority of those people who went to see the movies that helped each of them generate millions, and some times billions of dollars?

Yeah ... most of them don't read comics.

I really wish you'd step back and realise that nearly everyone else in the world isn't as narrow mindedly obsessed like you are, perhaps then you'd actually be more objective in these discussions.

I agree with you here Burn. After all, the comics that involved the Fallen were only available in the UK. Us Americans who have different variations of comics available to us, do not always get the same back story as other parts of the world. Places like Japan had Beast Wars NEO and Beast Wars II. The UK had comics with a character called The Fallen. All of which I still don't know the whole story to. (I've watched all of the American cartoons as well as read most of the comics available) I personally didn't know anything about The Fallen until the movie came out, and I did some digging to find out that it was a "UK" thing.

Cthulhunicron wrote:

The things about the Knights and the Creators are supposed to be vague. They still have 2 movies left to explain it all.

I'll be very impressed if they do. I was hoping Transformers 3 would explain what the Fallen did between leaving Earth and his appearance in Transformers 2 but the whole thing got dropped and was never mentioned again. I was hoping Transformers 4 would shed some light on whether Sentinel was leaving Cybertron to look for the Allspark or if the Allspark was launched after he left, but the whole thing got dropped and was never mentioned again.

Thank you for expanding on what I was trying to explain Cthulh. Like you explained, the story, and the dialogue were confusing to me. I was hoping for more of an expansion on the story so I could say, "OHhhhh so THATS whats going on.. " Instead I was constantly left hanging. And yes like you put in another post, I thought it was a bad idea to have Autobots like Hound make comments about killing other living beings.. which is EXACTLY what the Autobots (such as Optimus Prime) do NOT want to happen.

Burn wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote:The prequel comics mentioned that. I don't see why the movies would have to cover something that was already explained in the same continuity, twice.

You know the majority of those people who went to see the movies that helped each of them generate millions, and some times billions of dollars?

Yeah ... most of them don't read comics.

I really wish you'd step back and realise that nearly everyone else in the world isn't as narrow mindedly obsessed like you are, perhaps then you'd actually be more objective in these discussions.

QFT.

Burn wrote:There's a big difference between taking something and changing it and creating something from scratch.

Of course he would have made changes, I would imagine all directors do that, but he did NOT re-write them. Thus blaming him solely is pointless.

The main reason why ROTF was considered so bad are

1) Igorning the facts estabilished in first movie
2) Idiotic Jokes
3) Overpowored Optimus Prime
4) Characters introduced only to beign killed after few seconds.

The second and the third one Bay's changes, without them, we will don't got Transformers with balls, Simmon's Ass, less ridicilous Forest & Final Battles. A less pitafull Megatron. Also Grindor survived in Comic Book, I don't see reason why he should die in the movie.

I he decide to leave writing to the writers, we could propably had enjoyable ROTF, not great, but no so bad either.

However, AOE is great improvement in this term: Galvatron not only survivied and didin't die or beign humiliated in any way, but he didn't lost a single fight in the entire movie and and get away, possibly taking Lockdown's ship. Optimus is far from beign overpowered, since Lockdown knocked him down easily + he had lost to human soldiers few years later(If they only didn't let him to beat Grimlock....) . Most of stupid jokes are out, and characters (Drones aside) at least seems unique. So Yeah, AOE is what ROTF should have beign. If Bayformers stays on this track, Transformers 5 can be quite good.

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It just occurred to me this is a thread about Age of Extinction, talking about Bay's involvement in the first three movies is off topic.

And of course, discussed to death, horse has been beaten to a pulp. Time for that soap box to be ...

I agree with you here Burn. After all, the comics that involved the Fallen were only available in the UK. Us Americans who have different variations of comics available to us, do not always get the same back story as other parts of the world. Places like Japan had Beast Wars NEO and Beast Wars II. The UK had comics with a character called The Fallen. All of which I still don't know the whole story to. (I've watched all of the American cartoons as well as read most of the comics available) I personally didn't know anything about The Fallen until the movie came out, and I did some digging to find out that it was a "UK" thing.

The Fallen was not a UK thing. The Fallen is first mentioned in the Dreamwave comic miniseries, The War Within: The Dark Ages, and the movie version of his character appears in the Revenge of the Fallen prequel comics. All of these comics were available in the US.

As the home release of Transformers: Age of Extinction hit last week, the people over at Screen Junkies and Honest Trailers, including Seibertron.com's own jON3.0, have uploaded their latest spoof trailer, targeting the Dinobot-filled(?) robot bash blockbuster - featuring a multilingual take on the multinational flick, too. Check out the embedded clip below!

funny....i loved how they pointed out 2 mistakes i never noticed (the green screen monitors and the sears tower) and i saw this thing in IMAX. lol

kinda fitting to see this today as i recently bought this and will be watching tonight!

Bouncy X wrote:funny....i loved how they pointed out 2 mistakes i never noticed (the green screen monitors and the sears tower) and i saw this thing in IMAX. lol

kinda fitting to see this today as i recently bought this and will be watching tonight!

I always thought that the green screens were screens that the Cemetery Wind guys just hadn't activated yet.

I don't even notice product placement anymore. Hadn't thought about it one time watching this movie, with the exception of the beats pill since that was so blatant. Then this clip points out just how much there was in AOE. Not sure what to think of that

ScottyP wrote:I don't even notice product placement anymore. Hadn't thought about it one time watching this movie, with the exception of the beats pill since that was so blatant. Then this clip points out just how much there was in AOE. Not sure what to think of that

The budget for the movie has to come from somewhere.

Why the hell is this on the first page?


This is not news worthy and you do know that this is going to start **** storms in the comment section?




And "honestly" i find this trailer offensive to what i like and most of the things that this "trailer" states is not even true or exaggerated.



In other words this is not funny at all.