Transformers 81? Andrew Wildman Shares His Thoughts
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It looks like Simon Furman isn't the only Transformer comic veteran who would be interested in continuing Marvel's G1 run. Artist Andrew Wildman shared his thoughts on his blog, Wildwords.
To read what else he had to say on the subject click here. He also provides a link to an online petition for those who want to show their support.
I came up with the gist of an idea and put it to Simon. He ran with it and things began to take shape. What was clear was that it fitted well into the continuity of our old Marvel run. IDW agreed that there is precedent for this with the fact that GI Joe recently picked up on Larry Hama‘s old Marvel story threads. So. An idea took shape and we almost had it until the current economic siutation put the breaks on it.
To read what else he had to say on the subject click here. He also provides a link to an online petition for those who want to show their support.
Credit(s): Andrew Wildman, Ron
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Re: Transformers 81? Andrew Wildman Shares His Thoughts (1204561)
Posted by fenrir72 on April 4th, 2011 @ 10:07am CDT
Posted by fenrir72 on April 4th, 2011 @ 10:07am CDT
Call it what you will but the preconceived mythos of G1 is and always will be the BEST.
A cosmic civil war, alien beings crashing for 40 thousand millennium on the earth, awakening in the 80's...........priceless.
I may be the minority here but IDW's current story thrust sucks big time! Heck, despite all its criticism, DW's G1 storyline was much more interesting and not confusing. So Mr. Furman, I wish you all god speed in this endeavor
A cosmic civil war, alien beings crashing for 40 thousand millennium on the earth, awakening in the 80's...........priceless.
I may be the minority here but IDW's current story thrust sucks big time! Heck, despite all its criticism, DW's G1 storyline was much more interesting and not confusing. So Mr. Furman, I wish you all god speed in this endeavor
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Posted by Angelus on April 4th, 2011 @ 12:18pm CDT
Posted by Angelus on April 4th, 2011 @ 12:18pm CDT
Yes, please!
Continue G1 #81 or if not possible continuit the DW stories...
Everything will be better that what IDW is releasing at this time.
90% of the Transformers comic readers, except for the movie-verse comics, are the ones that are looking for some G1 nostalgia!
DW got the (most of) the characters right and an interesting story. IDW just cannot seem to get the characters right next to making up an intersting story. Or they are just hellbent on getting 'their' G1 version sold. I have news for you: It is not!
I enjoy the comics and I will keep buying them, don't worry... but it is just not 'it'.
However long the continuation will run, just let it end with Megatron and Ratchet crashing together. This way the Classics comic still fits...
Continue G1 #81 or if not possible continuit the DW stories...
Everything will be better that what IDW is releasing at this time.
90% of the Transformers comic readers, except for the movie-verse comics, are the ones that are looking for some G1 nostalgia!
DW got the (most of) the characters right and an interesting story. IDW just cannot seem to get the characters right next to making up an intersting story. Or they are just hellbent on getting 'their' G1 version sold. I have news for you: It is not!
I enjoy the comics and I will keep buying them, don't worry... but it is just not 'it'.
However long the continuation will run, just let it end with Megatron and Ratchet crashing together. This way the Classics comic still fits...
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Posted by Rated X on April 4th, 2011 @ 1:06pm CDT
Posted by Rated X on April 4th, 2011 @ 1:06pm CDT
I have a few of these TF comics from my childhood. Im not really into comics that much. I Always hated that they couldnt keep the super hero crap out of the Transformers world. They had to add stupid characters like "The Robot Master" "Circut Breaker" and "The Mechanic" in the mix.
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Posted by Cyberstrike on April 4th, 2011 @ 3:17pm CDT
I love the current IDW G1 comics a lot more than the Marvel series and all of Furman's IDW crappy run. Because Costa is actually taking the book in new and exciting directions. I don't to see IDW waste resources, time, money for a creator ego driven and glorified nostigla book that would suck not only itself but would make the Marvel series suck as well.
Posted by Cyberstrike on April 4th, 2011 @ 3:17pm CDT
Angelus wrote:Yes, please!
Continue G1 #81 or if not possible continuit the DW stories...
Everything will be better that what IDW is releasing at this time.
90% of the Transformers comic readers, except for the movie-verse comics, are the ones that are looking for some G1 nostalgia!
DW got the (most of) the characters right and an interesting story. IDW just cannot seem to get the characters right next to making up an intersting story. Or they are just hellbent on getting 'their' G1 version sold. I have news for you: It is not!
I enjoy the comics and I will keep buying them, don't worry... but it is just not 'it'.
However long the continuation will run, just let it end with Megatron and Ratchet crashing together. This way the Classics comic still fits...
I love the current IDW G1 comics a lot more than the Marvel series and all of Furman's IDW crappy run. Because Costa is actually taking the book in new and exciting directions. I don't to see IDW waste resources, time, money for a creator ego driven and glorified nostigla book that would suck not only itself but would make the Marvel series suck as well.
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Posted by NemesisMonkeySupreme on April 4th, 2011 @ 4:07pm CDT
Posted by NemesisMonkeySupreme on April 4th, 2011 @ 4:07pm CDT
I just wish they'd quit trying to add Movie styling to the character designs. Don's "old man" faces were driving me insane, yet he's one of my favorite G1-style artists and had damn good designs with Dreamwave. Of course, I also REALLY like Nick Roche's cartoony stylings, so go figure…
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Posted by RK_Striker_JK_5 on April 4th, 2011 @ 6:14pm CDT
The pre=AHM was a new and exciting direction. Now... it's not. And rather dumb, too.
Posted by RK_Striker_JK_5 on April 4th, 2011 @ 6:14pm CDT
Cyberstrike wrote:Angelus wrote:Yes, please!
Continue G1 #81 or if not possible continuit the DW stories...
Everything will be better that what IDW is releasing at this time.
90% of the Transformers comic readers, except for the movie-verse comics, are the ones that are looking for some G1 nostalgia!
DW got the (most of) the characters right and an interesting story. IDW just cannot seem to get the characters right next to making up an intersting story. Or they are just hellbent on getting 'their' G1 version sold. I have news for you: It is not!
I enjoy the comics and I will keep buying them, don't worry... but it is just not 'it'.
However long the continuation will run, just let it end with Megatron and Ratchet crashing together. This way the Classics comic still fits...
I love the current IDW G1 comics a lot more than the Marvel series and all of Furman's IDW crappy run. Because Costa is actually taking the book in new and exciting directions. I don't to see IDW waste resources, time, money for a creator ego driven and glorified nostigla book that would suck not only itself but would make the Marvel series suck as well.
The pre=AHM was a new and exciting direction. Now... it's not. And rather dumb, too.
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Posted by Starscream GaGa on April 4th, 2011 @ 7:08pm CDT
Posted by Starscream GaGa on April 4th, 2011 @ 7:08pm CDT
Andrew Wildman as the artist? Oh dear...
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Posted by fenrir72 on April 4th, 2011 @ 7:24pm CDT
Posted by fenrir72 on April 4th, 2011 @ 7:24pm CDT
Quite surprising! In another forum where I also am the member, a lot of the controlling freaks 
errrrr staff members immediately shout you down when you voice disappointment with IDWs botched job on the G1 story arc.
IDW just seem to be at a loss in steering G1.Heck, they can't even keep a standard look on the 'bots. But the Marvel arc, for all its fault to me was the golden age of TF story telling (okay the Furman years)as Budiansky admitted he got already burnt out on the last days of his scripts.
Though this also quite disappointing that you have to recycle previous successful concepts instead of trying something new.
Am I contradicting myself? A bit. In a sense like how DC and to some extent Marvel has to reboot their storyline back to pre-Crisis setting while Marvel has to resort to killing icons left and right to get people to notice (ehem Fantastic Four, Captain America to name a few) but I hope you get my point.
It looks like the actual air/atmosphere of the 80s really fostered creativity and not the rubbish field, bad lingo cr@p we all are experiencing today.
errrrr staff members immediately shout you down when you voice disappointment with IDWs botched job on the G1 story arc.IDW just seem to be at a loss in steering G1.Heck, they can't even keep a standard look on the 'bots. But the Marvel arc, for all its fault to me was the golden age of TF story telling (okay the Furman years)as Budiansky admitted he got already burnt out on the last days of his scripts.
Though this also quite disappointing that you have to recycle previous successful concepts instead of trying something new.
Am I contradicting myself? A bit. In a sense like how DC and to some extent Marvel has to reboot their storyline back to pre-Crisis setting while Marvel has to resort to killing icons left and right to get people to notice (ehem Fantastic Four, Captain America to name a few) but I hope you get my point.
It looks like the actual air/atmosphere of the 80s really fostered creativity and not the rubbish field, bad lingo cr@p we all are experiencing today.
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Posted by moritron on April 4th, 2011 @ 8:51pm CDT
Posted by moritron on April 4th, 2011 @ 8:51pm CDT
marvel's transformers was a mess when it ended, the idw continuity is getting bad as well. they should reboot the ongoing, and have it continue the dreamwave storyline. the dreamwave story was just getting good when they closed shop. idw always claimed they couldn't use marvel or dreamwave stuff, but if they can use marvel, they should be able to use dreamwave.
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Posted by Seibertron on April 5th, 2011 @ 2:40am CDT
I've always gotten the impression that it's more to do with they don't want to than they can't. Can't say I blame them ... I'd probably want to leave my own mark as well instead of continuing someone else's stuff.
Posted by Seibertron on April 5th, 2011 @ 2:40am CDT
moritron wrote:marvel's transformers was a mess when it ended, the idw continuity is getting bad as well. they should reboot the ongoing, and have it continue the dreamwave storyline. the dreamwave story was just getting good when they closed shop. idw always claimed they couldn't use marvel or dreamwave stuff, but if they can use marvel, they should be able to use dreamwave.
I've always gotten the impression that it's more to do with they don't want to than they can't. Can't say I blame them ... I'd probably want to leave my own mark as well instead of continuing someone else's stuff.
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Posted by Burn on April 5th, 2011 @ 3:01am CDT
Posted by Burn on April 5th, 2011 @ 3:01am CDT
Can you blame them? Who'd want to touch something that had been touched by Pat Lee.
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Posted by Seibertron on April 5th, 2011 @ 3:07am CDT
I might disagree with members here about their opinions, but you guys are also more than welcome to disagree with me ... so long as everything stays civil. I would never shout someone down if I disagreed with them.
As for IDW, I feel guilty being this blunt ... but I've never been a fan of their approach. I buy the books every month, but I do it just to support having Transformers comics. The writing has been sub-par (though I feel that way about most comics I've flipped through over the past decade). The redesigns have been completely unnecessary. I get tired of seeing Transformers change bodies like X-Men change outfits. I read all of their books every month but have no idea what's going on. I'm just not into these stories. I read them just to read them ... with the slight hope that somehow all will be made right at some point. Where's "Crisis on Infinite Cybertrons" when you need it?
Something's wrong when I look forward more to reading through the old Marvel UK comics for the first time, including the recycled Marvel US books, than I do reading the IDW books (it's fun reading the books in the order in which the UK received them, even though I'm grew up on the Marvel US books). I've read straight through issue 90 or something through issue 201. I'm waiting to find a good deal on issue 202 so that I can continue forward with the next 30 or so books that I own.
The main Transformers comic book should tie-in with some form of a toyline. I've read that the Marvel G1 writers hated having to introduce new characters every issue, but as a consumer of Transformers products, I think that's how this brand is best served in comic book form. At a minimum, the characters in the comics should reflect their most recent look as a toy. IDW's Bumblebee should have his Hasbro Classics body. Optimus Prime should have his Classics body. Drift's toy is a perfect example of the comics and toys working together. Jazz should have his RTS body now. I'd like to see Hasbro and IDW work together on some level to figure out how to work this out so it benefits both of them.
I don't like that the Transformers comics have not directly promoted the toys pretty much since the end of the Marvel G1 comics. G2 didn't, and I was disappointed. Dreamwave didn't, but it gave us so much fan-wank that I didn't care (other than strongly disliking some of the poor artwork from them), and IDW doesn't promote the toys directly either which I think is a huge mistake. There's just something really awesome about holding a physical representation of a character that you follow in a comic book. Somehow that got lost with the Transformers. I wish everyone would stop treating the Transformers comic book like its not there to promote a toy.
The sole purpose of the comics should be to promote the toys, and it should be up to the very talented people behind the books to figure out how to weave the promotion of those toys into a coherent story that is entertaining and enjoyable.
On a sidenote, I keep thinking that it'd be awesome to have a mini-comic strip here on Seibertron.com that appeared monthly or weekly (depending on the format). I started Seibertron.com 11 years ago because I wanted to showcase my Transformers artwork. I never got around to that part of it but it's still something I'd like to accomplish with this site. If I ever did a comic now, I think I would try to do it the way I think these comics should be done ... to promote the toys. I think I'd even go so far as to style the artwork off the toys themselves, to the best of my ability. If a character hasn't received a toy yet under the Classics line, I wouldn't include them or if I had to include them they'd have their old bodies with the assumption that they'd get a future update. Fun plot twists could be ongoing stories like Grimlock dealing with his Dinobots being kept as Decepticon prisoners at an unknown location (which would eliminate the need to do Dinobots until Hasbro makes more hopefully). Trailbreaker, Huffer, and Gears could be deactivated patients of Ratchet. Octane and Astrotrain could be on a quest to find Blitzwing who was lost in a battle with the Autobots on another planet. Wreck-Gar could be stranded with some Earthbound Autobots trying to get back to Planet Junk to reunited with his fellow Junkions. Galvatron and Megatron could be two separate characters, with Galvatron plotting to gain control over the Decepticons ... or I could go for the classic idea of a future Galvatron coming to the present. A fun current story would be to do something with Rumble/Frenzy and Windcharger since they're current figures.
Just something I keep tossin' around in my head every time I pick up a Transformers comic I dislike.
Posted by Seibertron on April 5th, 2011 @ 3:07am CDT
fenrir72 wrote:Quite surprising! In another forum where I also am the member, a lot of the controlling freaks
IDW just seem to be at a loss in steering G1.Heck, they can't even keep a standard look on the 'bots. But the Marvel arc, for all its fault to me was the golden age of TF story telling (okay the Furman years)as Budiansky admitted he got already burnt out on the last days of his scripts.
I might disagree with members here about their opinions, but you guys are also more than welcome to disagree with me ... so long as everything stays civil. I would never shout someone down if I disagreed with them.
As for IDW, I feel guilty being this blunt ... but I've never been a fan of their approach. I buy the books every month, but I do it just to support having Transformers comics. The writing has been sub-par (though I feel that way about most comics I've flipped through over the past decade). The redesigns have been completely unnecessary. I get tired of seeing Transformers change bodies like X-Men change outfits. I read all of their books every month but have no idea what's going on. I'm just not into these stories. I read them just to read them ... with the slight hope that somehow all will be made right at some point. Where's "Crisis on Infinite Cybertrons" when you need it?
Something's wrong when I look forward more to reading through the old Marvel UK comics for the first time, including the recycled Marvel US books, than I do reading the IDW books (it's fun reading the books in the order in which the UK received them, even though I'm grew up on the Marvel US books). I've read straight through issue 90 or something through issue 201. I'm waiting to find a good deal on issue 202 so that I can continue forward with the next 30 or so books that I own.
The main Transformers comic book should tie-in with some form of a toyline. I've read that the Marvel G1 writers hated having to introduce new characters every issue, but as a consumer of Transformers products, I think that's how this brand is best served in comic book form. At a minimum, the characters in the comics should reflect their most recent look as a toy. IDW's Bumblebee should have his Hasbro Classics body. Optimus Prime should have his Classics body. Drift's toy is a perfect example of the comics and toys working together. Jazz should have his RTS body now. I'd like to see Hasbro and IDW work together on some level to figure out how to work this out so it benefits both of them.
I don't like that the Transformers comics have not directly promoted the toys pretty much since the end of the Marvel G1 comics. G2 didn't, and I was disappointed. Dreamwave didn't, but it gave us so much fan-wank that I didn't care (other than strongly disliking some of the poor artwork from them), and IDW doesn't promote the toys directly either which I think is a huge mistake. There's just something really awesome about holding a physical representation of a character that you follow in a comic book. Somehow that got lost with the Transformers. I wish everyone would stop treating the Transformers comic book like its not there to promote a toy.
The sole purpose of the comics should be to promote the toys, and it should be up to the very talented people behind the books to figure out how to weave the promotion of those toys into a coherent story that is entertaining and enjoyable.
On a sidenote, I keep thinking that it'd be awesome to have a mini-comic strip here on Seibertron.com that appeared monthly or weekly (depending on the format). I started Seibertron.com 11 years ago because I wanted to showcase my Transformers artwork. I never got around to that part of it but it's still something I'd like to accomplish with this site. If I ever did a comic now, I think I would try to do it the way I think these comics should be done ... to promote the toys. I think I'd even go so far as to style the artwork off the toys themselves, to the best of my ability. If a character hasn't received a toy yet under the Classics line, I wouldn't include them or if I had to include them they'd have their old bodies with the assumption that they'd get a future update. Fun plot twists could be ongoing stories like Grimlock dealing with his Dinobots being kept as Decepticon prisoners at an unknown location (which would eliminate the need to do Dinobots until Hasbro makes more hopefully). Trailbreaker, Huffer, and Gears could be deactivated patients of Ratchet. Octane and Astrotrain could be on a quest to find Blitzwing who was lost in a battle with the Autobots on another planet. Wreck-Gar could be stranded with some Earthbound Autobots trying to get back to Planet Junk to reunited with his fellow Junkions. Galvatron and Megatron could be two separate characters, with Galvatron plotting to gain control over the Decepticons ... or I could go for the classic idea of a future Galvatron coming to the present. A fun current story would be to do something with Rumble/Frenzy and Windcharger since they're current figures.
Just something I keep tossin' around in my head every time I pick up a Transformers comic I dislike.
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Posted by fenrir72 on April 5th, 2011 @ 5:25am CDT
Posted by fenrir72 on April 5th, 2011 @ 5:25am CDT
@ seibertron.
on IDW: I agree with you 100% Why did they have to mess around with the series' foundation/mythos? And the appearance change, wtf?! AHM was a prime example, how do you explain 2000 Raptors suddenly devolving to F-15s? And the current attempts to meld in real world events with fiction, I mean, come on???????
I'm for treading into new grounds but this is like a rudderless jaunt.
The saving grace was Last Stand of the Wreckers, though that imho was like a microcosm with their kill all the unknown characters theme.......reminded me of the World War II themed suicide squad movie by Telly Savalas and Ernest Borgnine (forgot it's title)
DW
Full of fan wank, but they didn't mess with the main mythos, just embellished them good. If only Pat Lee wasn't such a slime ball and paid the talents their due, who knows what would have been accomplished. Brad Myck, Don F,Guido G,Furman,Ng and the rest, boy was their jaunt memorable.
In reality, not just for the Transformers, nearly every pop culture based icons are or should I say have reached their peak. Did that, done that already. Always trying to re-invent themselves by either getting nastier,edgier, turning a Caucasian character into a different skin color or going into the gay/lez theme. Why can't they stick to their roots and just write good stories and not recycle tired old themes.
This might bleed into the toy section but ever wondered why the majority of the G1 themed homages of characters keep getting resurrected?
They may have been called differently but there was a Jazz homaged fig in Galaxyforce, Wheeljack in form in Superlink or best yet, United/RTS/Generations. A lot of the younger fans of G1 know less than nothing of the 80's characters (well with the advent of DVD compilations and youtube, a lot have become familiar with them more or less) and yet they still sell like hotcakes. Why? Maybe the 80s crew (Hasbro/Sunbow/Takara/Marvel)just did things right. Nothing PC (Carbombya?
),belief suspension(mass shifting)a lot of plot holes, but what we saw back then was 80s plain old adulterated capitalism in selling glorified action figures.
on IDW: I agree with you 100% Why did they have to mess around with the series' foundation/mythos? And the appearance change, wtf?! AHM was a prime example, how do you explain 2000 Raptors suddenly devolving to F-15s? And the current attempts to meld in real world events with fiction, I mean, come on???????
I'm for treading into new grounds but this is like a rudderless jaunt.
The saving grace was Last Stand of the Wreckers, though that imho was like a microcosm with their kill all the unknown characters theme.......reminded me of the World War II themed suicide squad movie by Telly Savalas and Ernest Borgnine (forgot it's title)
DW
Full of fan wank, but they didn't mess with the main mythos, just embellished them good. If only Pat Lee wasn't such a slime ball and paid the talents their due, who knows what would have been accomplished. Brad Myck, Don F,Guido G,Furman,Ng and the rest, boy was their jaunt memorable.
In reality, not just for the Transformers, nearly every pop culture based icons are or should I say have reached their peak. Did that, done that already. Always trying to re-invent themselves by either getting nastier,edgier, turning a Caucasian character into a different skin color or going into the gay/lez theme. Why can't they stick to their roots and just write good stories and not recycle tired old themes.
This might bleed into the toy section but ever wondered why the majority of the G1 themed homages of characters keep getting resurrected?
They may have been called differently but there was a Jazz homaged fig in Galaxyforce, Wheeljack in form in Superlink or best yet, United/RTS/Generations. A lot of the younger fans of G1 know less than nothing of the 80's characters (well with the advent of DVD compilations and youtube, a lot have become familiar with them more or less) and yet they still sell like hotcakes. Why? Maybe the 80s crew (Hasbro/Sunbow/Takara/Marvel)just did things right. Nothing PC (Carbombya?
),belief suspension(mass shifting)a lot of plot holes, but what we saw back then was 80s plain old adulterated capitalism in selling glorified action figures.
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Posted by The Legend on April 5th, 2011 @ 5:25pm CDT
The Dirty Dozen.
I wonder if those knocking the late Marvel run have read the UK run or just the US run? The UK run had a hell of a lot of extra material that bridged what was released in the US so it made a lot more sense. Plus they were fantastic reads on their own.
I'd support Simon and Andy continuing what they started even as a webcomic. It would make me hapier if it was drawn and coloured in the same style as the Marvel run, I'm not a huge fan of modern comics trying to make every pannel look like a work of art at the expense of carrying stories and conveying action.
Posted by The Legend on April 5th, 2011 @ 5:25pm CDT
fenrir72 wrote:The saving grace was Last Stand of the Wreckers, though that imho was like a microcosm with their kill all the unknown characters theme.......reminded me of the World War II themed suicide squad movie by Telly Savalas and Ernest Borgnine (forgot it's title)
The Dirty Dozen.
I wonder if those knocking the late Marvel run have read the UK run or just the US run? The UK run had a hell of a lot of extra material that bridged what was released in the US so it made a lot more sense. Plus they were fantastic reads on their own.
I'd support Simon and Andy continuing what they started even as a webcomic. It would make me hapier if it was drawn and coloured in the same style as the Marvel run, I'm not a huge fan of modern comics trying to make every pannel look like a work of art at the expense of carrying stories and conveying action.
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Posted by Cyber Bishop on April 5th, 2011 @ 6:39pm CDT
Posted by Cyber Bishop on April 5th, 2011 @ 6:39pm CDT
I would be down for this..
However some things have to be answered..
Would the G2 comics some how eventually be re-incorporated into this continued series OR would the happenings in the G2 comics be completely washed away.
There are a LOT of cons and bots that are dead so getting a fees-able "cast" may be a little difficult unless new transformers were introduced (maybe some repaired?) or some kind of time travel was done to wipe out Unicron before he attacked Cybertron to keep all of the bots and cons alive (instead of killing them off just for the sake to kill them).
If I remember correctly there were still a lot of robots that were off line due to Starscream in issue 50..
We know that Megatron was rebuilt by Cobra, so would they just have him show back up and defeat Bludgeon (if they completely skip the G2 storyline)?
Galvatron was just thrown in icy water so he could come back and lead...
So many possibilities.
A lot of things happened from the end of G1 to G2 and that is a big mess to clear up..
Of course they could do a "1 year later" kind of thing that explains how so many robots on both sides have returned (being repaired).
However some things have to be answered..
Would the G2 comics some how eventually be re-incorporated into this continued series OR would the happenings in the G2 comics be completely washed away.
There are a LOT of cons and bots that are dead so getting a fees-able "cast" may be a little difficult unless new transformers were introduced (maybe some repaired?) or some kind of time travel was done to wipe out Unicron before he attacked Cybertron to keep all of the bots and cons alive (instead of killing them off just for the sake to kill them).
If I remember correctly there were still a lot of robots that were off line due to Starscream in issue 50..
We know that Megatron was rebuilt by Cobra, so would they just have him show back up and defeat Bludgeon (if they completely skip the G2 storyline)?
Galvatron was just thrown in icy water so he could come back and lead...
So many possibilities.
A lot of things happened from the end of G1 to G2 and that is a big mess to clear up..
Of course they could do a "1 year later" kind of thing that explains how so many robots on both sides have returned (being repaired).
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Posted by Angelus on April 6th, 2011 @ 10:24am CDT
Posted by Angelus on April 6th, 2011 @ 10:24am CDT
Love to read a reply by IDW on this...
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Posted by Cyberstrike on April 6th, 2011 @ 11:07am CDT
Nope. All of Furman's Pre-AHM was glorified mash-up of past incarnations that made zero sense to me like Nemesis Prime merging universes and the Autobots speaking in Star Trek-esque technobabble and everything else was IMHO pure 100% crap especially the kids, The Reapers, Ore-13, The Darkness, a dead Cybertron, The Dead Universe, The Dynobots, Sunstreaker as a headmaster, The Machination, Skywatch, and you get the idea.
The only 2 good things were Galvatron not being an insane jacked-up future version of Megatron and Sixshot.
After reading all the Furman IDW TPBs I found myself actually HATING The Transformers as a whole and comics in general as well. So I went into a two-year self-imposed exile from comics as well.
It wasn't until I read All Hail Megatron TPB vol. 1 when I got through with it I couldn't wait to see what happened next and it was thrilling being able to feel that sensation again and it's the same with ongoing. It was All Hail Megatron that made me fall in love with The Transformers and comics in general again. Because McCarty and Costa actually make me CARE about the characters and what is going to happen to them and that is something Furman has NEVER made me feel ever.
Yeah I've enjoyed Furman's work but it's in the past with Marvel US/UK he hasn't written a decent Transformers story since G2 #12. I don't remember anything out of WWI other than the Fallen being introduced in one of the series and if weren't for The Revenge of the Fallen I doubt I would even remember it. I got all the Marvel US comics and all but one of the Titan TPBs (If anyone out there got a copy of the Titan The Transformers: Earthforce TPB they don't want PM me and we'll talk) in easy reach so if I need a Furman fix I can get one not have to waste my money and my time on this cheap KO crappy work he did at DW and IDW.
IMHO Furman's day is over, he needs to leave the franchise for good. Now I love Peter David's writing but I don't want him being the only guy to write The Incredible Hulk until the day that he dies, because it denies others to show different takes on the characters which might even be better than his take and the same with Furman. IMHO if The Transformers are to have a future in comics then IMHO Furman needs to go and stay GONE, because he's at best now a nostalgia act and at worse he comes off as a crappy one-trick pony kind of writer.
So in closing: with Shane McCarthy and Mike Costa I get emotionally involved with the characters and actually want to read the book, with Furman I don't care for the characters and I don't want to read the book. And when I don't care for something, I don't buy it. It's that simple.
Posted by Cyberstrike on April 6th, 2011 @ 11:07am CDT
RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:Cyberstrike wrote:Angelus wrote:Yes, please!
Continue G1 #81 or if not possible continuit the DW stories...
Everything will be better that what IDW is releasing at this time.
90% of the Transformers comic readers, except for the movie-verse comics, are the ones that are looking for some G1 nostalgia!
DW got the (most of) the characters right and an interesting story. IDW just cannot seem to get the characters right next to making up an intersting story. Or they are just hellbent on getting 'their' G1 version sold. I have news for you: It is not!
I enjoy the comics and I will keep buying them, don't worry... but it is just not 'it'.
However long the continuation will run, just let it end with Megatron and Ratchet crashing together. This way the Classics comic still fits...
I love the current IDW G1 comics a lot more than the Marvel series and all of Furman's IDW crappy run. Because Costa is actually taking the book in new and exciting directions. I don't to see IDW waste resources, time, money for a creator ego driven and glorified nostalgia book that would suck not only itself but would make the Marvel series suck as well.
The pre=AHM was a new and exciting direction. Now... it's not. And rather dumb, too.
Nope. All of Furman's Pre-AHM was glorified mash-up of past incarnations that made zero sense to me like Nemesis Prime merging universes and the Autobots speaking in Star Trek-esque technobabble and everything else was IMHO pure 100% crap especially the kids, The Reapers, Ore-13, The Darkness, a dead Cybertron, The Dead Universe, The Dynobots, Sunstreaker as a headmaster, The Machination, Skywatch, and you get the idea.
The only 2 good things were Galvatron not being an insane jacked-up future version of Megatron and Sixshot.
After reading all the Furman IDW TPBs I found myself actually HATING The Transformers as a whole and comics in general as well. So I went into a two-year self-imposed exile from comics as well.
It wasn't until I read All Hail Megatron TPB vol. 1 when I got through with it I couldn't wait to see what happened next and it was thrilling being able to feel that sensation again and it's the same with ongoing. It was All Hail Megatron that made me fall in love with The Transformers and comics in general again. Because McCarty and Costa actually make me CARE about the characters and what is going to happen to them and that is something Furman has NEVER made me feel ever.
Yeah I've enjoyed Furman's work but it's in the past with Marvel US/UK he hasn't written a decent Transformers story since G2 #12. I don't remember anything out of WWI other than the Fallen being introduced in one of the series and if weren't for The Revenge of the Fallen I doubt I would even remember it. I got all the Marvel US comics and all but one of the Titan TPBs (If anyone out there got a copy of the Titan The Transformers: Earthforce TPB they don't want PM me and we'll talk) in easy reach so if I need a Furman fix I can get one not have to waste my money and my time on this cheap KO crappy work he did at DW and IDW.
IMHO Furman's day is over, he needs to leave the franchise for good. Now I love Peter David's writing but I don't want him being the only guy to write The Incredible Hulk until the day that he dies, because it denies others to show different takes on the characters which might even be better than his take and the same with Furman. IMHO if The Transformers are to have a future in comics then IMHO Furman needs to go and stay GONE, because he's at best now a nostalgia act and at worse he comes off as a crappy one-trick pony kind of writer.
So in closing: with Shane McCarthy and Mike Costa I get emotionally involved with the characters and actually want to read the book, with Furman I don't care for the characters and I don't want to read the book. And when I don't care for something, I don't buy it. It's that simple.
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Posted by The Legend on April 6th, 2011 @ 11:16am CDT
Which is the reason I stopped buying IDW's Ongoing earlier this year after over 20 years of buying every G1 related comic released.
Posted by The Legend on April 6th, 2011 @ 11:16am CDT
Cyberstrike wrote:And when I don't care for something, I don't buy it. It's that simple.
Which is the reason I stopped buying IDW's Ongoing earlier this year after over 20 years of buying every G1 related comic released.
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Posted by Cyberstrike on April 6th, 2011 @ 11:26am CDT
Your loss, not mine.
Posted by Cyberstrike on April 6th, 2011 @ 11:26am CDT
The Legend wrote:Cyberstrike wrote:And when I don't care for something, I don't buy it. It's that simple.
Which is the reason I stopped buying IDW's Ongoing earlier this year after over 20 years of buying every G1 related comic released.
Your loss, not mine.
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Posted by RK_Striker_JK_5 on April 6th, 2011 @ 11:33am CDT
What, are you kidding me? It was fresh-it was a different take on the same old, same old. The Great War was epic. We got explanations for gender! I loved the kids! It was cool to see Earth not as the frontline of the Great War but a backwater until Ore-13. I'm glad Unicron and Primus weren't involved. The designs were updates but still G1.
I don't know what the problem with the 'Dynobots' were. Don't care either. Sunstreaker as a Headmaster was an interesting take on his character, too. Most vain of the Ark crew having to share a mind, heh.
AHM took that, trashed it and now we either have no explanation for what happened or moronic ones. I haven't bought any of those books and don't intend to. My gain, your loss.
Posted by RK_Striker_JK_5 on April 6th, 2011 @ 11:33am CDT
Cyberstrike wrote:RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:Cyberstrike wrote:Angelus wrote:Yes, please!
Continue G1 #81 or if not possible continuit the DW stories...
Everything will be better that what IDW is releasing at this time.
90% of the Transformers comic readers, except for the movie-verse comics, are the ones that are looking for some G1 nostalgia!
DW got the (most of) the characters right and an interesting story. IDW just cannot seem to get the characters right next to making up an intersting story. Or they are just hellbent on getting 'their' G1 version sold. I have news for you: It is not!
I enjoy the comics and I will keep buying them, don't worry... but it is just not 'it'.
However long the continuation will run, just let it end with Megatron and Ratchet crashing together. This way the Classics comic still fits...
I love the current IDW G1 comics a lot more than the Marvel series and all of Furman's IDW crappy run. Because Costa is actually taking the book in new and exciting directions. I don't to see IDW waste resources, time, money for a creator ego driven and glorified nostalgia book that would suck not only itself but would make the Marvel series suck as well.
The pre=AHM was a new and exciting direction. Now... it's not. And rather dumb, too.
Nope. All of Furman's Pre-AHM was glorified mash-up of past incarnations that made zero sense to me like Nemesis Prime merging universes and the Autobots speaking in Star Trek-esque technobabble and everything else was IMHO pure 100% crap especially the kids, The Reapers, Ore-13, The Darkness, a dead Cybertron, The Dead Universe, The Dynobots, Sunstreaker as a headmaster, The Machination, Skywatch, and you get the idea.
The only 2 good things were Galvatron not being an insane jacked-up future version of Megatron and Sixshot.
After reading all the Furman IDW TPBs I found myself actually HATING The Transformers as a whole and comics in general as well. So I went into a two-year self-imposed exile from comics as well.
It wasn't until I read All Hail Megatron TPB vol. 1 when I got through with it I couldn't wait to see what happened next and it was thrilling being able to feel that sensation again and it's the same with ongoing. It was All Hail Megatron that made me fall in love with The Transformers and comics in general again. Because McCarty and Costa actually make me CARE about the characters and what is going to happen to them and that is something Furman has NEVER made me feel ever.
Yeah I've enjoyed Furman's work but it's in the past with Marvel US/UK he hasn't written a decent Transformers story since G2 #12. I don't remember anything out of WWI other than the Fallen being introduced in one of the series and if weren't for The Revenge of the Fallen I doubt I would even remember it. I got all the Marvel US comics and all but one of the Titan TPBs (If anyone out there got a copy of the Titan The Transformers: Earthforce TPB they don't want PM me and we'll talk) in easy reach so if I need a Furman fix I can get one not have to waste my money and my time on this cheap KO crappy work he did at DW and IDW.
IMHO Furman's day is over, he needs to leave the franchise for good. Now I love Peter David's writing but I don't want him being the only guy to write The Incredible Hulk until the day that he dies, because it denies others to show different takes on the characters which might even be better than his take and the same with Furman. IMHO if The Transformers are to have a future in comics then IMHO Furman needs to go and stay GONE, because he's at best now a nostalgia act and at worse he comes off as a crappy one-trick pony kind of writer.
So in closing: with Shane McCarthy and Mike Costa I get emotionally involved with the characters and actually want to read the book, with Furman I don't care for the characters and I don't want to read the book. And when I don't care for something, I don't buy it. It's that simple.
What, are you kidding me? It was fresh-it was a different take on the same old, same old. The Great War was epic. We got explanations for gender! I loved the kids! It was cool to see Earth not as the frontline of the Great War but a backwater until Ore-13. I'm glad Unicron and Primus weren't involved. The designs were updates but still G1.
I don't know what the problem with the 'Dynobots' were. Don't care either. Sunstreaker as a Headmaster was an interesting take on his character, too. Most vain of the Ark crew having to share a mind, heh.
AHM took that, trashed it and now we either have no explanation for what happened or moronic ones. I haven't bought any of those books and don't intend to. My gain, your loss.
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Posted by The Legend on April 6th, 2011 @ 12:03pm CDT
Not really, I stopped spending my hard earned money on something that I didn't enjoy that was getting steadily worse. Many others have done the same. Let's not turn this thread in to another 'Ongoing sucks!' thread, there are plenty of those already and they never end well.
Posted by The Legend on April 6th, 2011 @ 12:03pm CDT
Cyberstrike wrote:The Legend wrote:Cyberstrike wrote:And when I don't care for something, I don't buy it. It's that simple.
Which is the reason I stopped buying IDW's Ongoing earlier this year after over 20 years of buying every G1 related comic released.
Your loss, not mine.
Not really, I stopped spending my hard earned money on something that I didn't enjoy that was getting steadily worse. Many others have done the same. Let's not turn this thread in to another 'Ongoing sucks!' thread, there are plenty of those already and they never end well.
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Posted by NemesisMonkeySupreme on April 6th, 2011 @ 3:56pm CDT
You handled that response better than I would've…
The missed point is no one is saying Furman to take over IDW TF. GIJoe ARAH by Hama is in addition to their separate continuities. I hate Hama's later GI Joe stuff and so ignore the "new" ARAH but read the other IDW books. no one is going to please all the fans all the time, so why not spread the wealth? Isn't that why there's a Bay, TFA, United/Generations, and forth-coming Prime line of toys (though admittedly Hasbro finds it difficult to run them all in smaller bits simultaneously instead of mass pushes with huge gaps)?
Posted by NemesisMonkeySupreme on April 6th, 2011 @ 3:56pm CDT
The Legend wrote:Cyberstrike wrote:The Legend wrote:Cyberstrike wrote:And when I don't care for something, I don't buy it. It's that simple.
Which is the reason I stopped buying IDW's Ongoing earlier this year after over 20 years of buying every G1 related comic released.
Your loss, not mine.
Not really, I stopped spending my hard earned money on something that I didn't enjoy that was getting steadily worse. Many others have done the same. Let's not turn this thread in to another 'Ongoing sucks!' thread, there are plenty of those already and they never end well.
You handled that response better than I would've…
The missed point is no one is saying Furman to take over IDW TF. GIJoe ARAH by Hama is in addition to their separate continuities. I hate Hama's later GI Joe stuff and so ignore the "new" ARAH but read the other IDW books. no one is going to please all the fans all the time, so why not spread the wealth? Isn't that why there's a Bay, TFA, United/Generations, and forth-coming Prime line of toys (though admittedly Hasbro finds it difficult to run them all in smaller bits simultaneously instead of mass pushes with huge gaps)?
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Posted by Cyberstrike on April 6th, 2011 @ 4:46pm CDT
The difference between you and me is that I don't want 'a different take on the same old, same old." I wanted something new and fresh. Furman didn't deliver it Shane McCarthy and Mike Costa did and do on monthly basis.
As too other points:
What Great War? There were nothing of a war just a small set of Autobots and Decepticons hiding on Earth and on other planets doing nothing. I didn't give a damn about the Decepticons meddling in politics if Megatron wanted to take over the world he should have just bought the planet from a group of Neo-Conseratives.
You mean the "Straxus, Jixhaus, (or whoever it was) did it just to if he could" was one stupidest things I read from in any comic.
Hunter was a cliche. Verity was annoying (If Overlord had stepped on Verity and killed her in The Last Stand of the Wreckers that would been a classic secene) and Jimmy was nothing.
IMHO Sunstreaker is a lame character to begin with. The DW version showing that he was possible sociopath was one few ideas that I liked from DW-era. Now had the DW version of Sunstreaker had been used, then it would have been a possible great story.
Furman's overuse of Grimlock and the Dinobots over the years has taken away any interest that I might have once had for the characters.
AHM was a breath of fresh air on what was becoming a boring and stale book.
Posted by Cyberstrike on April 6th, 2011 @ 4:46pm CDT
RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:Cyberstrike wrote:RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:Cyberstrike wrote:Angelus wrote:Yes, please!
Continue G1 #81 or if not possible continuit the DW stories...
Everything will be better that what IDW is releasing at this time.
90% of the Transformers comic readers, except for the movie-verse comics, are the ones that are looking for some G1 nostalgia!
DW got the (most of) the characters right and an interesting story. IDW just cannot seem to get the characters right next to making up an intersting story. Or they are just hellbent on getting 'their' G1 version sold. I have news for you: It is not!
I enjoy the comics and I will keep buying them, don't worry... but it is just not 'it'.
However long the continuation will run, just let it end with Megatron and Ratchet crashing together. This way the Classics comic still fits...
I love the current IDW G1 comics a lot more than the Marvel series and all of Furman's IDW crappy run. Because Costa is actually taking the book in new and exciting directions. I don't to see IDW waste resources, time, money for a creator ego driven and glorified nostalgia book that would suck not only itself but would make the Marvel series suck as well.
The pre=AHM was a new and exciting direction. Now... it's not. And rather dumb, too.
Nope. All of Furman's Pre-AHM was glorified mash-up of past incarnations that made zero sense to me like Nemesis Prime merging universes and the Autobots speaking in Star Trek-esque technobabble and everything else was IMHO pure 100% crap especially the kids, The Reapers, Ore-13, The Darkness, a dead Cybertron, The Dead Universe, The Dynobots, Sunstreaker as a headmaster, The Machination, Skywatch, and you get the idea.
The only 2 good things were Galvatron not being an insane jacked-up future version of Megatron and Sixshot.
After reading all the Furman IDW TPBs I found myself actually HATING The Transformers as a whole and comics in general as well. So I went into a two-year self-imposed exile from comics as well.
It wasn't until I read All Hail Megatron TPB vol. 1 when I got through with it I couldn't wait to see what happened next and it was thrilling being able to feel that sensation again and it's the same with ongoing. It was All Hail Megatron that made me fall in love with The Transformers and comics in general again. Because McCarty and Costa actually make me CARE about the characters and what is going to happen to them and that is something Furman has NEVER made me feel ever.
Yeah I've enjoyed Furman's work but it's in the past with Marvel US/UK he hasn't written a decent Transformers story since G2 #12. I don't remember anything out of WWI other than the Fallen being introduced in one of the series and if weren't for The Revenge of the Fallen I doubt I would even remember it. I got all the Marvel US comics and all but one of the Titan TPBs (If anyone out there got a copy of the Titan The Transformers: Earthforce TPB they don't want PM me and we'll talk) in easy reach so if I need a Furman fix I can get one not have to waste my money and my time on this cheap KO crappy work he did at DW and IDW.
IMHO Furman's day is over, he needs to leave the franchise for good. Now I love Peter David's writing but I don't want him being the only guy to write The Incredible Hulk until the day that he dies, because it denies others to show different takes on the characters which might even be better than his take and the same with Furman. IMHO if The Transformers are to have a future in comics then IMHO Furman needs to go and stay GONE, because he's at best now a nostalgia act and at worse he comes off as a crappy one-trick pony kind of writer.
So in closing: with Shane McCarthy and Mike Costa I get emotionally involved with the characters and actually want to read the book, with Furman I don't care for the characters and I don't want to read the book. And when I don't care for something, I don't buy it. It's that simple.
What, are you kidding me? It was fresh-it was a different take on the same old, same old. The Great War was epic. We got explanations for gender! I loved the kids! It was cool to see Earth not as the frontline of the Great War but a backwater until Ore-13. I'm glad Unicron and Primus weren't involved. The designs were updates but still G1.
I don't know what the problem with the 'Dynobots' were. Don't care either. Sunstreaker as a Headmaster was an interesting take on his character, too. Most vain of the Ark crew having to share a mind, heh.
AHM took that, trashed it and now we either have no explanation for what happened or moronic ones. I haven't bought any of those books and don't intend to. My gain, your loss.
The difference between you and me is that I don't want 'a different take on the same old, same old." I wanted something new and fresh. Furman didn't deliver it Shane McCarthy and Mike Costa did and do on monthly basis.
As too other points:
What Great War? There were nothing of a war just a small set of Autobots and Decepticons hiding on Earth and on other planets doing nothing. I didn't give a damn about the Decepticons meddling in politics if Megatron wanted to take over the world he should have just bought the planet from a group of Neo-Conseratives.
You mean the "Straxus, Jixhaus, (or whoever it was) did it just to if he could" was one stupidest things I read from in any comic.
Hunter was a cliche. Verity was annoying (If Overlord had stepped on Verity and killed her in The Last Stand of the Wreckers that would been a classic secene) and Jimmy was nothing.
IMHO Sunstreaker is a lame character to begin with. The DW version showing that he was possible sociopath was one few ideas that I liked from DW-era. Now had the DW version of Sunstreaker had been used, then it would have been a possible great story.
Furman's overuse of Grimlock and the Dinobots over the years has taken away any interest that I might have once had for the characters.
AHM was a breath of fresh air on what was becoming a boring and stale book.
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Posted by Rodimus Prime on April 7th, 2011 @ 1:46pm CDT
What happened to Shockwave? Was he actually killed?
If the G1 story were continued, I think it would have to go straight after #80, and before even the Joe crossover where Megs gets his makeover. Thus, he'd still be in his G1 form. And since it was just he and Starscream in the Joe crossover, IIRC, we could have a whole multi-issue "The Adventures of Megsy and Screamer."
Continuing the G1 story would be perfect for this. There were so many things in G2 that needed explaining. It's like there is 80 more issues' worth of material. If they're creative enough.
I hope this happens, Furman's US run is my favorite Transformers series, cartoon or comic.
Posted by Rodimus Prime on April 7th, 2011 @ 1:46pm CDT
Cyber Bishop wrote:We know that Megatron was rebuilt by Cobra, so would they just have him show back up and defeat Bludgeon (if they completely skip the G2 storyline)?
Galvatron was just thrown in icy water so he could come back and lead...
So many possibilities.
A lot of things happened from the end of G1 to G2 and that is a big mess to clear up.
What happened to Shockwave? Was he actually killed?
If the G1 story were continued, I think it would have to go straight after #80, and before even the Joe crossover where Megs gets his makeover. Thus, he'd still be in his G1 form. And since it was just he and Starscream in the Joe crossover, IIRC, we could have a whole multi-issue "The Adventures of Megsy and Screamer."
Continuing the G1 story would be perfect for this. There were so many things in G2 that needed explaining. It's like there is 80 more issues' worth of material. If they're creative enough.
I hope this happens, Furman's US run is my favorite Transformers series, cartoon or comic.
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Posted by El Duque on April 26th, 2011 @ 12:31pm CDT
Posted by El Duque on April 26th, 2011 @ 12:31pm CDT
As you probably already know there has been quite a bit of fan interest in IDW continuing Marvel's original Transformers run ever since the idea was brought up on Simon Furman's blog. Yesterday Newsarama posted an article about the subject with a few more quotes from Furman. Click here to read the full article.
The online petition is located here.
The online petition is located here.
It’s a great feeling to think that there’s this huge groundswell of support for the continuation of a series that is now 20 years old,” Furman wrote via email. “Clearly, we must have been doing something right back then. But my experience with Transformers comics fans, across countless conventions, discussion forums and feedback on my blog, is that they’re just incredibly devoted and loyal to those original stories, storylines and characters.
The closest thing to a public acknowledgement on the petition thus far from IDW was publisher and editor-in-chief Chris Ryall tweeting last week, “If you can get the petition to 10,000 signatures/pre-orders, I'll give you an exclusive cover for issue 81 ...
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Posted by Seibertron on April 26th, 2011 @ 12:41pm CDT
Posted by Seibertron on April 26th, 2011 @ 12:41pm CDT
Anyone have the petition link handy? Is this something we should link to?
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Posted by gothsaurus on April 26th, 2011 @ 12:48pm CDT
Posted by gothsaurus on April 26th, 2011 @ 12:48pm CDT
I'd love to see "issue 81" happen... as well as a follow up on the G2 series that was cut short. These would both be definite buys for me... Someone please post the petition link when that happens!
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Posted by Seibertron on April 26th, 2011 @ 1:03pm CDT
Posted by Seibertron on April 26th, 2011 @ 1:03pm CDT
I think it would be awesome to have a timeline divergence, ala the new Star Trek movie, where the course of issue 81 on takes a different route than the Classics route or the G2 route.
Though now that I mention Classics, this could be an amazing opportunity for some of the Classics toys to be worked into the Marvel storyline. Could that work even?
While I love this idea, I hope we're all being honest about what drove the original Marvel run. It was the continual onslaught of toys for 7 years from the same series. Without the push from toys and that continued direction, I'd be concerned about what could happen with that overall storyline that has been "complete" for 20 years. I do think this could be a neat opportunity to introduce characters that were never brought into the American comics such as the Wreckers, the Autobot Triplechangers, the Jumpstarters, Whirl, Roadbuster, the Deluxe Insecticons, the vehicle Pretenders, Slugfest, Overkill, and so on. They could all be introduced over various storylines in a similar fashion to the way the other G1 characters were introduced to us, which could keep the storyline going. Obviously not all of the older characters would work if Furman wanted to stay true to the UK run or even just the late Marvel run, but it could be one of the many ingredients to keep this great recipe going.
Other potential storylines that easily get you to issue #100 ...
Circuit Breaker (could IDW/Hasbro work out something with Marvel?
JB Blackrock
Whatever happened to Sparkplug and Buster Witwicky?
Preventing the path of #67 from unfolding
Returning to/Rebuilding of Cybertron
The Last Autobot
Revisiting the Straxus character (relevant because of Classics toy)
Return to Earth
Bludgeon versus Megatron done right!
Ratchet's "coming of age" after fisticuffs with Starscream
What happened to the Nebulans?
Undoing the effects of Nucleon
Grimlock vs Optimus Prime while Prowl calculates from the sidelines
Just for a fun one-off issue ... return of the Scraplets!
Other human tie-ins ... 10 years later, what happened to those kids that were with Blaster/Sky Lynx?
No more Prime doubting himself! But this should be part of the story! Why is he more sure of his decisions now? What happened?
Psychological problems from Unicron ordeal
Legacy of Emirate Xaaron ... what secret did he leave behind?
Spike Witwicky and Fortress Maximus ... coming to terms!
"Who are the Wreckers?" (ignoring UK continuity) or "Return of the Wreckers!" (acknowledging UK continuity)
Hasbro/IDW buy the rights to DEATH'S HEAD!!!
Working toward or against the Movie storyline
All stories I've thought of for the past twenty years. Would love to see some of these ideas see fruition.
Though now that I mention Classics, this could be an amazing opportunity for some of the Classics toys to be worked into the Marvel storyline. Could that work even?
While I love this idea, I hope we're all being honest about what drove the original Marvel run. It was the continual onslaught of toys for 7 years from the same series. Without the push from toys and that continued direction, I'd be concerned about what could happen with that overall storyline that has been "complete" for 20 years. I do think this could be a neat opportunity to introduce characters that were never brought into the American comics such as the Wreckers, the Autobot Triplechangers, the Jumpstarters, Whirl, Roadbuster, the Deluxe Insecticons, the vehicle Pretenders, Slugfest, Overkill, and so on. They could all be introduced over various storylines in a similar fashion to the way the other G1 characters were introduced to us, which could keep the storyline going. Obviously not all of the older characters would work if Furman wanted to stay true to the UK run or even just the late Marvel run, but it could be one of the many ingredients to keep this great recipe going.
Other potential storylines that easily get you to issue #100 ...
Circuit Breaker (could IDW/Hasbro work out something with Marvel?
JB Blackrock
Whatever happened to Sparkplug and Buster Witwicky?
Preventing the path of #67 from unfolding
Returning to/Rebuilding of Cybertron
The Last Autobot
Revisiting the Straxus character (relevant because of Classics toy)
Return to Earth
Bludgeon versus Megatron done right!
Ratchet's "coming of age" after fisticuffs with Starscream
What happened to the Nebulans?
Undoing the effects of Nucleon
Grimlock vs Optimus Prime while Prowl calculates from the sidelines
Just for a fun one-off issue ... return of the Scraplets!
Other human tie-ins ... 10 years later, what happened to those kids that were with Blaster/Sky Lynx?
No more Prime doubting himself! But this should be part of the story! Why is he more sure of his decisions now? What happened?
Psychological problems from Unicron ordeal
Legacy of Emirate Xaaron ... what secret did he leave behind?
Spike Witwicky and Fortress Maximus ... coming to terms!
"Who are the Wreckers?" (ignoring UK continuity) or "Return of the Wreckers!" (acknowledging UK continuity)
Hasbro/IDW buy the rights to DEATH'S HEAD!!!
Working toward or against the Movie storyline
All stories I've thought of for the past twenty years. Would love to see some of these ideas see fruition.
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Posted by RiddlerJ on April 26th, 2011 @ 1:33pm CDT
Posted by RiddlerJ on April 26th, 2011 @ 1:33pm CDT
Aw, hell with it. I'm just gonna get all my toys and do issue 81 the way I think it should be, Yeah 
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Posted by F Prime on April 26th, 2011 @ 1:57pm CDT
http://www.petitiononline.com/tf81idw/petition.html
Posted by F Prime on April 26th, 2011 @ 1:57pm CDT
gothsaurus wrote:I'd love to see "issue 81" happen... as well as a follow up on the G2 series that was cut short. These would both be definite buys for me... Someone please post the petition link when that happens!
http://www.petitiononline.com/tf81idw/petition.html
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Posted by Janus Prime on April 27th, 2011 @ 12:18am CDT
Posted by Janus Prime on April 27th, 2011 @ 12:18am CDT
What I would love to see is Bludgeon´s period of leadership after the defeat in Klo. Also, at the start of G2 Grimlock already had some leads on the Cybertronian Empire, right? seeing some of that would be cool.
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Posted by cybercat on May 5th, 2011 @ 7:19pm CDT
Posted by cybercat on May 5th, 2011 @ 7:19pm CDT
No. Sure, I know my anti-Furmanism is notorious but, srsly, have you guys READ Nefarious? o_O
That plotline is wrapped up.
Also, I heard that the major franchise holder (NOT IDW) has NO interest in this happening.
I'd much rather give a younger writer with fresh new ideas *cough cough mowry* the reins, or start a new storyline.
HK, SUBTLE!!!
That plotline is wrapped up.
Also, I heard that the major franchise holder (NOT IDW) has NO interest in this happening.
I'd much rather give a younger writer with fresh new ideas *cough cough mowry* the reins, or start a new storyline.
HK, SUBTLE!!!
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Posted by Stormer on May 5th, 2011 @ 11:04pm CDT
Posted by Stormer on May 5th, 2011 @ 11:04pm CDT
Ah, the old days...I remember my very first TF comic was "Into the Smelting Pool" or whatever it was called - starring Blaster. That was a good story. Yup. And, I remember how heartbroken I was when the original series ended. There was so much more potential if it was just given the chance! Fast forward a couple of years later to G2. Loved it. Thought it was the greatest thing since diamond rings. And, when it ended - another dose of heartbreak and wondering where the series would have gone given half a chance...
Remember the art - especially towards the end of G1? Ack! Even then I thought it stunk. The stories made up for it...I doubt that would work today. And, the British TF's? Again, good stories, stinky art. If it wasn't for a great story, I'd never been a fan.
Now...There's a lot of really great art! LSOTW is my favorite EVER! Ongoing has potential...yep, been hanging on. There's glimmers of hope here or there.
As far as potential goes for a continuation of the original G1 run...I still think it's there. Of course, in today's market, I'd think it would have to be a lot darker and a lot more grown up - it can't be too "kiddied" up. I would like the stories to be more about the Transformers than humans. Though I'm not sure how I feel about the comic promoting new characters every month (I also understand the marketing element), I'm also a big proponent of expanding the universe as far as it can go. I'm just not so sure it should be Mr. Furman at the wheel.
Remember the art - especially towards the end of G1? Ack! Even then I thought it stunk. The stories made up for it...I doubt that would work today. And, the British TF's? Again, good stories, stinky art. If it wasn't for a great story, I'd never been a fan.
Now...There's a lot of really great art! LSOTW is my favorite EVER! Ongoing has potential...yep, been hanging on. There's glimmers of hope here or there.
As far as potential goes for a continuation of the original G1 run...I still think it's there. Of course, in today's market, I'd think it would have to be a lot darker and a lot more grown up - it can't be too "kiddied" up. I would like the stories to be more about the Transformers than humans. Though I'm not sure how I feel about the comic promoting new characters every month (I also understand the marketing element), I'm also a big proponent of expanding the universe as far as it can go. I'm just not so sure it should be Mr. Furman at the wheel.
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Posted by Cyberstrike on May 7th, 2011 @ 1:42pm CDT
Posted by Cyberstrike on May 7th, 2011 @ 1:42pm CDT
We need some fresh writers for The Transformers comics, I'm sick and tied of Simon Furman and James Roberts (I that TLSotW is good but it's not great by any means and is highly over-rated) being apparently the only 2 guys in the world that "can write" the series.
They shouldn't be the be all and end all of Transformers comic book writers.
I don't want Mike Costa to write the ongoing series until he dies but I like his work because it's new direction that is actually NEW and to me it's far more exciting to have a writer where you don't know where he's going with and that makes him a more dangerous writer because the reader doesn't know what he is going to do with the series and with Furman it's safe, predictable, and really boring.
New writers bring new ideas and fresh perspectives that Furman can't which is what the Transformers comic needs to survive.
IDW also needs to create some ongoing spin-offs from the ongoing series (like they did with their G.I. Joe titles) because lets face it with so many characters in the G1 TF Universe to play with it makes sense to have more than one G1 TF book.
However reviving the Marvel series is not a good idea because it will only create a bigger division in the fanbase than there already is and I doubt that IDW can maintain a G1 Transformers multiverse (and the same with G.I. Joe) I think ultimately one will get pushed aside for the other.
I mean even Marvel and DC can't maintain separate comic book universes outside of their established super-hero universes.
They shouldn't be the be all and end all of Transformers comic book writers.
I don't want Mike Costa to write the ongoing series until he dies but I like his work because it's new direction that is actually NEW and to me it's far more exciting to have a writer where you don't know where he's going with and that makes him a more dangerous writer because the reader doesn't know what he is going to do with the series and with Furman it's safe, predictable, and really boring.
New writers bring new ideas and fresh perspectives that Furman can't which is what the Transformers comic needs to survive.
IDW also needs to create some ongoing spin-offs from the ongoing series (like they did with their G.I. Joe titles) because lets face it with so many characters in the G1 TF Universe to play with it makes sense to have more than one G1 TF book.
However reviving the Marvel series is not a good idea because it will only create a bigger division in the fanbase than there already is and I doubt that IDW can maintain a G1 Transformers multiverse (and the same with G.I. Joe) I think ultimately one will get pushed aside for the other.
I mean even Marvel and DC can't maintain separate comic book universes outside of their established super-hero universes.
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Posted by Stormwolf on May 8th, 2011 @ 12:14pm CDT
The fanbase will always become more divided whenever a new series/comic gets introduced. You can't please everyone.
Hell, we even have stupid discussions about what colors Rumble and Frenzy are, back then we only had the G1 cartoon, US comic and UK comic.
You and I for instance seem like polar opposites when it comes to which stories are good or bad. And we aren't even the worst of the lot. Cough
DW back in the day never had any problems with running G1 alongside the Armada/Energon comic. Having IDW publish two series wouldn't be all that different.
Posted by Stormwolf on May 8th, 2011 @ 12:14pm CDT
Cyberstrike wrote:However reviving the Marvel series is not a good idea because it will only create a bigger division in the fanbase than there already is and I doubt that IDW can maintain a G1 Transformers multiverse (and the same with G.I. Joe) I think ultimately one will get pushed aside for the other.
The fanbase will always become more divided whenever a new series/comic gets introduced. You can't please everyone.
Hell, we even have stupid discussions about what colors Rumble and Frenzy are, back then we only had the G1 cartoon, US comic and UK comic.
You and I for instance seem like polar opposites when it comes to which stories are good or bad. And we aren't even the worst of the lot. Cough
DW back in the day never had any problems with running G1 alongside the Armada/Energon comic. Having IDW publish two series wouldn't be all that different.
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Posted by Cyberstrike on May 8th, 2011 @ 3:33pm CDT
I meant 2 different G1 Universes (IDW publishes the movieverse).
Which will in the long term will doom one.
It has happened many times with Marvel and DC and chances are it will happen to G.I. Joe in the future.
Posted by Cyberstrike on May 8th, 2011 @ 3:33pm CDT
Stormwolf wrote:Cyberstrike wrote:However reviving the Marvel series is not a good idea because it will only create a bigger division in the fanbase than there already is and I doubt that IDW can maintain a G1 Transformers multiverse (and the same with G.I. Joe) I think ultimately one will get pushed aside for the other.
The fanbase will always become more divided whenever a new series/comic gets introduced. You can't please everyone.
Hell, we even have stupid discussions about what colors Rumble and Frenzy are, back then we only had the G1 cartoon, US comic and UK comic.
You and I for instance seem like polar opposites when it comes to which stories are good or bad. And we aren't even the worst of the lot. Cough
DW back in the day never had any problems with running G1 alongside the Armada/Energon comic. Having IDW publish two series wouldn't be all that different.
I meant 2 different G1 Universes (IDW publishes the movieverse).
Which will in the long term will doom one.
It has happened many times with Marvel and DC and chances are it will happen to G.I. Joe in the future.
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Posted by F Prime on May 8th, 2011 @ 3:41pm CDT
What are the two G1 universes? Besides the Marvel-verse are you counting ongoing as the other G1? Just curious.
Posted by F Prime on May 8th, 2011 @ 3:41pm CDT
Cyberstrike wrote:
I meant 2 different G1 Universes (IDW publishes the movieverse).
Which will in the long term will doom one.
What are the two G1 universes? Besides the Marvel-verse are you counting ongoing as the other G1? Just curious.
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Posted by Stormer on May 9th, 2011 @ 8:11pm CDT
Yup, IDW's Ongoing and a continuation of the Marvel G1 series. They're both G1, though IDW's take and the ever-changing appearances of the characters makes one wonder...Not that I think that's necessarily a bad thing.
Two series might doom one to fail, but I think failure tends to comes more from lame stories and unenthusiastic art - which of coarse leads to disinterest in the series (I'm sure there's lots of other factors, I'm just trying to simplify). Though, I really can't argue with the point that two G1 series would interfere with the continuity and cause some fan rifts. Better maybe to have mini-series that tie in with the current universe but also explore where Marvel G1 left off.
Posted by Stormer on May 9th, 2011 @ 8:11pm CDT
F Prime wrote:Cyberstrike wrote:
I meant 2 different G1 Universes (IDW publishes the movieverse).
Which will in the long term will doom one.
What are the two G1 universes? Besides the Marvel-verse are you counting ongoing as the other G1? Just curious.
Yup, IDW's Ongoing and a continuation of the Marvel G1 series. They're both G1, though IDW's take and the ever-changing appearances of the characters makes one wonder...Not that I think that's necessarily a bad thing.
Two series might doom one to fail, but I think failure tends to comes more from lame stories and unenthusiastic art - which of coarse leads to disinterest in the series (I'm sure there's lots of other factors, I'm just trying to simplify). Though, I really can't argue with the point that two G1 series would interfere with the continuity and cause some fan rifts. Better maybe to have mini-series that tie in with the current universe but also explore where Marvel G1 left off.
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Posted by Fortress Rodimus on June 26th, 2011 @ 11:22pm CDT
Posted by Fortress Rodimus on June 26th, 2011 @ 11:22pm CDT
That is true i never thought of the idea that one G1 series would cancel the other out. Oh well i would still like a miniseries on the finish off the original marvel.
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Posted by F Prime on June 27th, 2011 @ 11:34am CDT
I don't think they would cancel each other out. They have entirely different versions of how the TFs came to be on Earth, so they are already not the same continuity. I think they can easily co-exist.
Posted by F Prime on June 27th, 2011 @ 11:34am CDT
Fortress Rodimus wrote:That is true i never thought of the idea that one G1 series would cancel the other out. Oh well i would still like a miniseries on the finish off the original marvel.
I don't think they would cancel each other out. They have entirely different versions of how the TFs came to be on Earth, so they are already not the same continuity. I think they can easily co-exist.
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Posted by st@rscream on July 21st, 2011 @ 9:33am CDT
Posted by st@rscream on July 21st, 2011 @ 9:33am CDT
Signed.
I grew up with, and still love the original comics!
I grew up with, and still love the original comics!
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Posted by Blast Cannon on July 21st, 2011 @ 11:38am CDT
Posted by Blast Cannon on July 21st, 2011 @ 11:38am CDT
Hell, yes. I love Furman's vision of TF characters. Although I agree with Cyberstrike's sentiment that Furman certainly should not be the be all and end all of TF comic book writers, I do believe that there is a sense of 'unfinished' business for his storylines and would like to see them completed.
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Posted by Stormer on July 21st, 2011 @ 8:07pm CDT
And now it's confirmed - #81 is gonna happen! Well, I'm looking forward to it! Always wondered what would have happened next...(ooooh...please let the art be good, please let the art be good, please...)
Posted by Stormer on July 21st, 2011 @ 8:07pm CDT
Blast Cannon wrote:Hell, yes. I love Furman's vision of TF characters. Although I agree with Cyberstrike's sentiment that Furman certainly should not be the be all and end all of TF comic book writers, I do believe that there is a sense of 'unfinished' business for his storylines and would like to see them completed.
And now it's confirmed - #81 is gonna happen! Well, I'm looking forward to it! Always wondered what would have happened next...(ooooh...please let the art be good, please let the art be good, please...)
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Posted by Rodimus Prime on July 22nd, 2011 @ 5:08am CDT
Posted by Rodimus Prime on July 22nd, 2011 @ 5:08am CDT
Is only #81 confirmed or is it solid all the way to #100?
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Posted by Energon on July 22nd, 2011 @ 7:26am CDT
Posted by Energon on July 22nd, 2011 @ 7:26am CDT
I am glad to see this come to be a reality. Nice to see Simon writing robots again as well as Andrew Wildmans awesomely drawn robots.
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Posted by st@rscream on July 22nd, 2011 @ 9:15am CDT
Posted by st@rscream on July 22nd, 2011 @ 9:15am CDT
The next few years will rock for Transformers comics.
This fall IDW's collected UK Transformers start hitting shelves.
Early 2012 will see the start of their G1 reprint series which will include new colors.
2012 will see Simon's continuation of G1 with hopefully a similar coloring scheme as the new reprints.
I'm hoping that the success of these releases causes IDW to reprint Generation2 as well.
This fall IDW's collected UK Transformers start hitting shelves.
Early 2012 will see the start of their G1 reprint series which will include new colors.
2012 will see Simon's continuation of G1 with hopefully a similar coloring scheme as the new reprints.
I'm hoping that the success of these releases causes IDW to reprint Generation2 as well.
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Posted by Stormer on July 22nd, 2011 @ 7:33pm CDT
Just in case you haven't heard, yes, all the way to #100.
Posted by Stormer on July 22nd, 2011 @ 7:33pm CDT
Rodimus Prime wrote:Is only #81 confirmed or is it solid all the way to #100?
Just in case you haven't heard, yes, all the way to #100.
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Posted by Blast Cannon on July 23rd, 2011 @ 7:55am CDT
About damn time. Very excited to see this.
Posted by Blast Cannon on July 23rd, 2011 @ 7:55am CDT
Stormer wrote:Rodimus Prime wrote:Is only #81 confirmed or is it solid all the way to #100?
Just in case you haven't heard, yes, all the way to #100.
About damn time. Very excited to see this.
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Posted by craggy on July 24th, 2011 @ 12:26pm CDT
i'm pretty sure some of the former DW employees who never got paid for their work in the last few months of the company's existence wouldn't mind touching the man's wallet...or face with their fist.
Posted by craggy on July 24th, 2011 @ 12:26pm CDT
Burn wrote:Can you blame them? Who'd want to touch something that had been touched by Pat Lee.
i'm pretty sure some of the former DW employees who never got paid for their work in the last few months of the company's existence wouldn't mind touching the man's wallet...or face with their fist.
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Posted by craggy on July 24th, 2011 @ 12:28pm CDT
new colouring on the reprints? damn! might have to check these out.
Posted by craggy on July 24th, 2011 @ 12:28pm CDT
st@rscream wrote:The next few years will rock for Transformers comics.
This fall IDW's collected UK Transformers start hitting shelves.
Early 2012 will see the start of their G1 reprint series which will include new colors.
2012 will see Simon's continuation of G1 with hopefully a similar coloring scheme as the new reprints.
I'm hoping that the success of these releases causes IDW to reprint Generation2 as well.
new colouring on the reprints? damn! might have to check these out.
