TRANSFORMERS 5: Mark Wahlberg Thinks Michael Bay Will Direct

CrankyOldTruck wrote:Time to cue the fan rage from all the ignorant masses that still seem to think that Bay was the one who was 100% responsible for destroying their childhood.

Go ahead folks, I could use a good laugh this morning.

Nemesis Maximo wrote:
AOE was pretty disappointing to me, as the Dinobots felt like last minute additions; the plot was less coherent than ROTF; and the movie was tooooooooo daaaaaaaaamn loooooooong. And too many characters. And Nicola Peltz. Terrible.

CrankyOldTruck wrote:Time to cue the fan rage from all the ignorant masses that still seem to think that Bay was the one who was 100% responsible for destroying their childhood.

Go ahead folks, I could use a good laugh this morning.

budmaloney wrote:I don't want to live on this planet anymore. It doesn't end! If this is true, you should put the expectation that Bay will still be directing Transformers in the next 1000 years. His clones or cyborg self...whatever. There is a point of no return, and I think we passed it with TF sadly. TF has jumped the shark everybody!

Sigh...what depressing news. ( I know even if it's a rumor, we all know it's going to be true. I may not like his movies, but I think Bay isn't stupid, he's not going to walk away from a chance to make millions)

mirageandjazz1197 wrote:Something like this makes want to die?

Sabrblade wrote:

mirageandjazz1197 wrote:Something like this makes want to die?

Or move to a another planet.

Frankly I'd prefer a space colony since that sounds cooler to me, but that's just me. He can go to whatever planet he wants.

mirageandjazz1197 wrote:

budmaloney wrote:I don't want to live on this planet anymore. It doesn't end! If this is true, you should put the expectation that Bay will still be directing Transformers in the next 1000 years. His clones or cyborg self...whatever. There is a point of no return, and I think we passed it with TF sadly. TF has jumped the shark everybody!

Sigh...what depressing news. ( I know even if it's a rumor, we all know it's going to be true. I may not like his movies, but I think Bay isn't stupid, he's not going to walk away from a chance to make millions)

Something like this makes want to die?



I'm sorry but there is more to life then fictional robots from your childhood that most of the time other people don't care about.



(Most people don't care about other peoples childhoods and not just for Transformers just other childhoods in general because were a horrible species)

Twitchythe3rd wrote:>:oP

jay5 wrote:I heard in this one Scrapper has elbows.

Hip-Hoptimus Rime wrote:Just saw this article, dated today:

http://masterherald.com/transformers-5- ... ion/22220/

Take it for what it is, just a collection of rumors and factoids at this early stage. I know nothing about that website, just stumbled across the article. FWIW.

Burn wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

mirageandjazz1197 wrote:Something like this makes want to die?

Or move to a another planet.

Frankly I'd prefer a space colony since that sounds cooler to me, but that's just me. He can go to whatever planet he wants.

Doesn't matter where you go, you're bound to pick up a stray transmission and next thing you know you're watching a Bay TF movie.

Alternatively, people could stop clicking on movie related news, ignore the movie related sub-forum, and ignore the movies when they come out in theatres and then on DVD/Blu-Ray.

Prime Riblet wrote:

Burn wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

mirageandjazz1197 wrote:Something like this makes want to die?

Or move to a another planet.

Frankly I'd prefer a space colony since that sounds cooler to me, but that's just me. He can go to whatever planet he wants.

Doesn't matter where you go, you're bound to pick up a stray transmission and next thing you know you're watching a Bay TF movie.

Alternatively, people could stop clicking on movie related news, ignore the movie related sub-forum, and ignore the movies when they come out in theatres and then on DVD/Blu-Ray.

Exactly!

Personal choice can be a powerful thing!

Burn wrote:Sounds like fan wank to me.

This year's Wings and Wheels (a motoring and airshow event at Dunsfold Aerodrome in the UK) has taken place over this weekend, and I was pleasantly surprised to meet Mark Ryan there, who was a guest with Transformers Car Hire. As I've heard, he was an incredibly polite and enthusiastic chap who chatted to me for a fair amount of time about his experience on the Transformers movies. Some of the stuff he mentioned to me I didn't know of before, so I thought I'd share it:

• Jetfire - Apparently he based this performance upon his friend Ray Winstone. When Winstone saw the film, he called Mark and said he owed him a beer.
• Lockdown - Mark talked about the improvisation he's allowed to do on set, and Lockdown was a case in point of this. Before shooting, Mark was pondering how to approach the character, when he saw a Jaguar advert in his hotel room that acted as inspiration for the voice. Apparently when he then used it in the dock scene when Ratchet is killed, his voice echoed around the docks (sounding like "the voice of God"!) and everyone was in awe. His facial expressions were also a big influence upon the character, especially in the "You think you were born" scene.
• Upcoming sequels - I don't really follow this much so I don't know if this is new, but he said filming for TF5 ought to start next year and that the films will follow two directions now, one of which focusses upon Cade and co.

Sabrblade wrote:So, to make a long story short, it would appear that a ton of credible news sites created articles based on unfounded speculation originating from the wishful thinking of fans. That is some pretty bad journalism.

Many sites are misquoting Mark Ryan as having talked about Transformers 5 plot (including our beloved UNICRON...) at a "recent UK convention." We reached out to our friend, Mr. Mark Ryan who voiced Bumblebee in 1, Jetfire in RotF and Lockdown in AoE. We asked him if he really said any of the things that are being reported. His response:

"Hey mate! I didn't give an official interview or even mention Unicron. I was misquoted from a casual chat with a fan and the Internet did the rest! I have no idea what the story will be or who/what's in it. It's all secret..."

So, as we suspected the Unicron/Quintesson/Dinobot rumors are nothing more than fanboy wishlists, fabricated to get attract attention.

Sabrblade wrote:And, BLAMMO! The good folks at Unicron.com have personally reached out to Mark Ryan himself to ask him about these rumors - https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=10153206957464912&id=317740274911

Many sites are misquoting Mark Ryan as having talked about Transformers 5 plot (including our beloved UNICRON...) at a "recent UK convention." We reached out to our friend, Mr. Mark Ryan who voiced Bumblebee in 1, Jetfire in RotF and Lockdown in AoE. We asked him if he really said any of the things that are being reported. His response:

"Hey mate! I didn't give an official interview or even mention Unicron. I was misquoted from a casual chat with a fan and the Internet did the rest! I have no idea what the story will be or who/what's in it. It's all secret..."

So, as we suspected the Unicron/Quintesson/Dinobot rumors are nothing more than fanboy wishlists, fabricated to get attract attention.

NiteStar wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:And, BLAMMO! The good folks at Unicron.com have personally reached out to Mark Ryan himself to ask him about these rumors - https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=10153206957464912&id=317740274911

Many sites are misquoting Mark Ryan as having talked about Transformers 5 plot (including our beloved UNICRON...) at a "recent UK convention." We reached out to our friend, Mr. Mark Ryan who voiced Bumblebee in 1, Jetfire in RotF and Lockdown in AoE. We asked him if he really said any of the things that are being reported. His response:

"Hey mate! I didn't give an official interview or even mention Unicron. I was misquoted from a casual chat with a fan and the Internet did the rest! I have no idea what the story will be or who/what's in it. It's all secret..."

So, as we suspected the Unicron/Quintesson/Dinobot rumors are nothing more than fanboy wishlists, fabricated to get attract attention.

Well I hope none of this is directed at me. Im just sharing info I found. I have no clue what could be true or not.
But this sucks. I almost dont even want them to make another movie if its just going to be more of what we've been already getting.
I want to see them in space the whole time with just Transformers as the characters with very little human story.
Ive been disappointed thus far so I dont have much hope for it, at least not at this current time.

Sabrblade wrote:What would they need to film on green screen for such a movie? Everything would be in space and the TFs are all CGI anyway, so there wouldn't be anything real to film against a green screen.

Hellscream9999 wrote:Do you realize how obtusely expensive that would be to fund and direct? Not only would it have SW prequel syndrome (everything on green screen, so no realism) but the cost to create, animate, and render the movie would be so egregiously high that it would never get the green light - there are other reasons for all the gratuitous product placement in aoe

• Unicron
• A story set entirely on Cybertron
• No humans
• Full focus on the robots
• Completely CGI
• Less Optimus Prime
• Less Megatron
• More characterization for the non-Optimus/non-Megatron robots
• Megatron being upgraded into a form that's not still named "Megatron"
• Bumblebee to talk permanently
• No toilet humor
• No excessive crudeness in general
• No Michael Bay

Sabrblade wrote:In a way, the Predacons Rising movie we got for TF: Prime kinda feels like a response to all the fanboy wishes that keep being asked for future live action movies.

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:In a way, the Predacons Rising movie we got for TF: Prime kinda feels like a response to all the fanboy wishes that keep being asked for future live action movies.

I don't think those 2 are comparable. Predacons Rising was fine for what it was, the ending to a TV series. The live action movies are different, and if all the elements you listed were included in those films, it would be a huge improvement. However, I think it's too late now to do that. If it had been done in RoTF, it would have been alright, but after the disaster that was RoTF, not even a total reboot (as long as it was set in the same world/storyline) could save the continuity. AoE proved that very well. Instead of getting new human main characters, they should have minimized the humans' presence and focused entirely on the Transformers. They did a good job on toning down on the military aspect, but it was still way too human-centric.

Rodimus Prime wrote:Predacons Rising was fine for what it was, the ending to a TV series.

Rodimus Prime wrote:The live action movies are different,

Rodimus Prime wrote:and if all the elements you listed were included in those films, it would be a huge improvement.

Rodimus Prime wrote:However, I think it's too late now to do that. If it had been done in RoTF, it would have been alright, but after the disaster that was RoTF, not even a total reboot (as long as it was set in the same world/storyline) could save the continuity. AoE proved that very well. Instead of getting new human main characters, they should have minimized the humans' presence and focused entirely on the Transformers. They did a good job on toning down on the military aspect, but it was still way too human-centric.

Rodimus Prime wrote:I wasn't trying to say they shouldn't be in the movies at all. Maybe I phrased it wrong. I meant to say that the main story should be about the Transformers themselves, with humans as peripheral characters, or perhaps as villains, like it was in AoE with Cemetery Wind, and even Dylan Gould in DoTM. I liked those characters. I understand about the general audience needing characters to relate to that aren't giant robots, but I always had a little problem with that: the title of the movie is TRANSFORMERS. The brand had been around for 23 years when the 1st film came out, so people knew of it. So even if there weren't main human characters to relate to, the movie would have done well. Maybe not $800 million well, but well. And I guess that's what everything comes down to. $$$

Sabrblade wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:Predacons Rising was fine for what it was, the ending to a TV series.

"Deadlock" was the show's ending. Preds Rising was an epilogue made after the fact.

Autobot032 wrote:The thing is, this situation is like that video that was posted roughly around the same time the first film came out, "They Were Always Real To Me" is what it's called, the title fits our situation. Transformers were always a big deal to us, but then they weren't. A quick history lesson, for everyone, including myself:

Action Masters have their spot in a few collections here and there, but technically the last fully transformable line of figure was the end of Transformers for most people. Then it just died. Comics, show, toys, all of it gone. So if it was gone for us, imagine how much of it escaped the mind of the average American (or anyone worldwide, really).

G2 tried to revive it, show, comics, toys, all of it. It barely registered, really. Fans snapped them up as fast as they could, as garish as the colors were, it was G1 dang it, and we were going to have it! The "remastered" show caught a few people's attention, along the lines of "I remember that show. WTF did they do to it? I don't remember that cube thing. This is stupid." Not a good start. The comics only lasted a year and we didn't get a single figure of the new characters. It took 20+ years to get a Jhiaxus figure and he's not even the right color, or size.

It wasn't until Jurassic Park that Hasbro had the bright idea of Transformers + animals and bugs = big seller! come to mind. Now, that started to bring TFs back to the forefront, but it wasn't in the public's consciousness, not much, at least. It would be another decade before the general public took notice.

News stations around the country (I was, in fact, the first person to report on it. I saw a snippet about it on WEWS out of Cleveland and reported it to The ALLSpark back when I was a member there.) "Paramount pictures says they're bringing the 1980's cartoon and toyline Transformers to life on the big screen. The live action film will be the first of it's kind for the series. They're hoping to release the movie sometime in 2006, according to sources."

And then nothing for months, some of the fandom even forgot we were getting a movie, for a little while. Then out of the blue, leaked script and it divided the fandom. The film was never going to be ready for '06, so Summer '07, here we come. Trailers started popping up, the reaction wasn't a positive one. "That looks like a skeletal Cliffjumper! Why is he attacking the Mars rover?! WHO WRITES THIS?!"

People saw the name Michael Bay attached and thought "Oh no! It's going to be Bad Boys with Transformers in it! Noooooo!" Then it came out, people saw it and it turned into a sleeper hit. Made a good chunk of change here, and surprised everyone worldwide with a 700+ million dollar take. Couldn't keep the toys in stock, Transformers finally made it back to the mainstream and into the public consciousness.

It worked because it had never been done before. It worked because the juvenile humor registered with everyone.

Then another lull, so Animated could come along, we quickly saw how fast the general audience's attention span shrinks. Then comes 2009's ROTF. "They're making another one? Cool! I'll go see it!" and we saw what happened there. Critics hated it. Fans hated it. Audiences hated it. Yet it made 800+ million and beat the first film by quite a bit.

Another lull, another waiting period for the next film. In the meantime, the only publicity was bad publicity. Shia LeBeouf couldn't keep his head out of his ass for 10 seconds and caused a bunch of trouble. Bar fights, getting arrested at Walgreens, public intoxication, running his mouth, etc.

Then DOTM comes along in 2011 and this time it's in 3D and people said "Well, because it's 3D, I'll give it a shot, I guess." and they sure did. First of the series to break through the billion dollar threshold and then some. People just could not stop watching this movie because the visuals and the 3D just blew 'em away. But critics and fans were harsh and said it was overblown and they pretty much hated it.

THREE year hiatus. The general public moves onto other films and see things like Star Trek Into Darkness, read up on Star Wars coming back after 30 years, Ridley Scott's attempt to go into the history of Aliens, etc. Then...out of nowhere (for them, not us) Bay brings us Age Of Extinction.

"Aw, not another one of these..." But wait...there's Kelsey Grammer! Stanley Tucci?! JOHN FRIGGIN' GOODMAN?! Oh and uh...Marky Mark? Really? Eh, okay. Final verdict? "3D wasn't that good, the visuals are their best yet, the cast is somewhat likable but tries too hard and makes me miss Shia! Oh and it's too loud and way too long." Still ends up beating DOTM at the box office and surpasses it's billion dollar take.

Now we're in another hiatus and news places are reporting Robert The Walking Dead Kirkman among other very talented creators sitting in a room working on the next script and we hear that Paramount's plan is to create a MCU type of deal but for Transformers. General consensus? "Reboot the whole thing! Or better yet, let it die!"

So, if it's in the public, it's a negative image at the moment. As the next 2 of 3 years burn away until the next film, they'll forget more and more. They'll cringe at the thought of another 2.75 hour flick that seemingly does nothing but have explosions and weird looking robots beating the crap out of each other. Not to mention "Oh, great. This one contradicts the other films even more than the other ones did! Now none of it makes sense! Who writes this crap?!"

Heck, even the toys suffered a bit. Fatigue set in and a lot of stores just don't stock 'em like they used to. People don't buy them like they used to. People come to laugh at Shia, John Tuturro, John Goodman and Mark Wahlberg, they happen to look at the CGI eye candy too, but they could do without 'em for the most part, probably.

With the writing being handled as it has been, with the films being a whole bunch of explosives, with the general audience having the attention span of a gnat with ADD, having a Transformers-centric film won't work and certainly won't make enough money to recover the investment. Look at Disney, for example. Big name stars, big pricetags, HUGE failures. They're still recovering from John Carter, and it'll be a while before the sting of The Lone Ranger goes away.

The problem is partially the audience, it's partially the filmmakers, but whatever it is, the world just isn't ready for a Transformers only film. It's just not going to work, no matter how much we wish it would. And right now, what is everyone talking about? The massive success that is Jurassic World and it's well deserved, too. A fun romp from beginning to end and made everyone feel like a kid again, like we were back in 1993, just with prettier people doing the running and screaming thing. Star Wars is coming at Christmas, everyone's losing their minds. Transformers? No one's talking about it. Heck, half the time, the movies are only mentioned so people can say "Oh, I saw that pile of $#!7, it sucked!"

Sad, but true. People aren't enlightened and Transformers aren't enlightening. Nothing you can do, really.

Sabrblade wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:Predacons Rising was fine for what it was, the ending to a TV series.

"Deadlock" was the show's ending. Preds Rising was an epilogue made after the fact.

I also feel Deadlock was the defacto finale. I feel like Rising was tacked on just because. It wasn't the best writing and it felt hollow and boring to me. Optimus and Wheeljack floating around in space, Starscream beating on Predacons because he could and Autobots fighting...what? I mean, there was nothing particularly special about it and it was ridiculously short. Not even worth my time or effort, really. (And I'm not the only fan who feels that way.)

Transformers Prime was excellent. Prime Beast Hunters was Prime dying a not so great death. Predacons Rising was taking a dump on a once great show's grave.

Sabrblade wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:Predacons Rising was fine for what it was, the ending to a TV series.

"Deadlock" was the show's ending. Preds Rising was an epilogue made after the fact.

Rodimus Prime wrote:The live action movies are different,

Not every fan feels this way. There's a huge chunk of the fandom that has the mentality of "If a cartoon or comic can be done so well then why not the same for the live action movies?" I'm not claiming to be part of this crowd, but with how Preds Rising happened to contain so many of the elements fans desired to see in the live action films, it feels as though Hasbro only made that TV movie to throw the fans a bone and put all those wants to rest since they don't seem to want to put any of that fan-desired stuff into the live action films.

Prime Riblet wrote:The movies, as far as storytelling, have gotten more crappy since the first movie in 2007. Granted, this is all opinion, but I really thought the first movie was a good all around movie. RotF was exciting in places. By DotM, things went to hell, and I haven't really cared since. I was so excited to see AoE, and it turned out to be a huge disappointment for me.

So, I really feel the need to let my money do the talking at the box office this time around and not see TF-5 on the big screen.