Top 5 best G1 Transformers Toy updates
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Top 5 best G1 Transformers Toy updates
This concept doesn’t need much of an introduction but I will explain the thought that went behind my choices. It was in a 2 fold order. One: how much the original G1 toy needed an update. Two: How great of an update he eventually got (“he” is not a spoiler as there were no female G1 toys stateside). The best toy ever might not be first place if his original toy was pretty good, which explains the lack of some classics updates. On the flipside, a toy in bad need of an update may not be first place if the update he got wasn't as good as we can get. So without further ado, here are the top 5 best toy updates:
5. Tranformers Generations Seargent Kup
The reason he is at the back end of this list is because this doesn’t feel like the final version of this character. This toy is more of a reinterpretation of the character and not the actual comic book or G1 cartoon version come to life. He even got an update to his name. For what is probably copyright reasons, he became Sergeant Kup in this release. But none the less, Kup is one of the character’s who most needed an update. For such a legendary character, as he was one of the main characters of the 86 film, the only other toy he got since G1 was a Botcon 09 toy which didn’t work at all for the character (my opinion). But 2011 finally gave us a phenomenal update. I love the head sculpt, the alt mode is great even though it is an earth based truck instead of a Cybertronian picKUP. He still looks the part of the scrappy old timer and the color is also spot on. Then chest section is pretty great as well, recalling the cybertronian elements of the G1 toy and the transformation itself is neat, especially the feet. What really seals the deal is the long musket which stores under the truck mode disguised as a very convincing exhaust pipe.
4. Transformers Masterpiece Optimus Prime (MP-10) (Convoy)
I don’t know what to write that could give this update any justice. The figure in robot mode really looks like the G1 cartoon model just jumped off the screen, unlike the G1 toy. The G1 toy was not too bad though, hence why this isn’t number 1 on this list. Actually, the G1 toy was pretty smart since it found an effective way of combining an easy transformation which resulted in a robot which had a wide chest and a thin abdominal area, which has defined Optimus Prime ever since. This update makes that change in contour completely flawless with a smart transformation that was fine tuned from the earlier Masterpiece release of Optimus. They still didn’t fix the obvious groin area exposed in truck mode, an issue that even the G1 toy didn’t have. I do want to say that the cab is the highlight of this update. I don’t find the trailer to be much of an improvement over the G1 version, and Hasbro’s dull grey didn’t help. I was told it could be fixed with Reprolabels, and while that may be perfectly true, having to spend more money for a finished version of a product will not get you the number 1 spot (especially when your original toy was one of the best of the bunch). But number 4 is no sweat for this awesome toy.
And to give a sense of the difference in size:
3. Transformers Masterpiece Wheeljack
Oh man, what an update! They even got the spelling of sponsor “Alitalia” right this time (there are reprolabels to fix the correction though). The G1 toy, like the datsuns and other G1 cars, didn’t even have legs that could separate, so an update didn’t need much to make us happy. As a matter of fact, people were happy with simply a redeco of RTS Tracks. But this figure really knocks it out of the parc by not only being accurate but also my pick for the best new mold to come out of Hasbro/Takara in 2014. Not in a while had I marveled this much at a transformer, and on a pure toy level, he is an absolutely perfect example of a robot in disguise. He feels hefty, has flawless kibble free modes which are also both accurate to their own specific source (a cartoon model and an officially licensed car model).What I really loved about Wheeljack is how robot parts just spring out of him and are nowhere noticeable in his car mode, like his wings, which were far more evident in the original toy’s undercarriage and prone to loss. I just love how his feet are formed and look like distinct robot legs rather than a piece of his car. Unlike the Datsuns, these car pieces look more like feet than repurposed car parts, which was obviously not the case with the original G1 figure.
2. Transformers Generations Springer
Springer was not the best G1 triple changer. None of the three modes were convincing. His helicopter mode had his robot arms and hands sticking out with the excuse of it being Cybertronian in design (uurgh), the car mode was average and the robot mode was not great with odd proportions and terrible arms. He needed an update, that’s for sure, and had a bunch (starting with Energon’s Bulkhead, then Timelines, Universe and Generations GDO). But every single time, he either only turned into a car or helicopter. True triple changers are rarer than we think in the world of transformers toys, so getting an actual update of Springer as a triple changer in the Generations line was an event all on its own. It was even more wondrous to realize that this toy was an accomplishment. Unlike the G1 toy, both alt modes are very distinctive from one another. They have different dimensions and silhouettes, only sharing the color pallet. Also unlike the G1 toy, the robot mode is tall and sleek, with great proportions and one of the most poseable transformers toys at that price range. Even his sword that turns into the propeller is updated well, with a neat new transformation, and his gun has been given a serious overhaul. This would be the best update of all if it weren’t for the following number 1 pick...
1. Transformers Generations Warpath Gallery
As far as updates go, I can’t think of any other toy that needed it this much and got this good a result from it. It’s like owning a small masterpiece at the fraction of the cost. We went from a minibot with no legs, which looked locked in mid transformation into a deluxe class which oozes perfection. Unlike the G1 toy, the tank fully transforms into a robot with superb articulation, zero kibble and striking show accuracy for a non masterpiece toy. They did change his tank into an H tank, but I will take that if it means he gets legs in robot mode. It’s also worth noting that for an H tank, he doesn’t look like a robot crawling on all fours like Armada Megatron and Animated Shockwave (two toys that were NOT part of the best Tanks list). All around, I couldn’t think of a better update for a toy that so badly needed one. And for those who find the deluxe class too big for this toy, then just stick him in your masterpiece collection, he’ll fit right in.
Honourable mention: Generations Cosmos, Energon Galvatron, Masterpiece Grimlock, MP Soundwave, MP Lambor, Generations Scourge, Universe Cyclonus and the Classics seekers.
Top 5 best G1 Transformers Toy updates
This concept doesn’t need much of an introduction but I will explain the thought that went behind my choices. It was in a 2 fold order. One: how much the original G1 toy needed an update. Two: How great of an update he eventually got (“he” is not a spoiler as there were no female G1 toys stateside). The best toy ever might not be first place if his original toy was pretty good, which explains the lack of some classics updates. On the flipside, a toy in bad need of an update may not be first place if the update he got wasn't as good as we can get. So without further ado, here are the top 5 best toy updates:
5. Tranformers Generations Seargent Kup
The reason he is at the back end of this list is because this doesn’t feel like the final version of this character. This toy is more of a reinterpretation of the character and not the actual comic book or G1 cartoon version come to life. He even got an update to his name. For what is probably copyright reasons, he became Sergeant Kup in this release. But none the less, Kup is one of the character’s who most needed an update. For such a legendary character, as he was one of the main characters of the 86 film, the only other toy he got since G1 was a Botcon 09 toy which didn’t work at all for the character (my opinion). But 2011 finally gave us a phenomenal update. I love the head sculpt, the alt mode is great even though it is an earth based truck instead of a Cybertronian picKUP. He still looks the part of the scrappy old timer and the color is also spot on. Then chest section is pretty great as well, recalling the cybertronian elements of the G1 toy and the transformation itself is neat, especially the feet. What really seals the deal is the long musket which stores under the truck mode disguised as a very convincing exhaust pipe.
4. Transformers Masterpiece Optimus Prime (MP-10) (Convoy)
I don’t know what to write that could give this update any justice. The figure in robot mode really looks like the G1 cartoon model just jumped off the screen, unlike the G1 toy. The G1 toy was not too bad though, hence why this isn’t number 1 on this list. Actually, the G1 toy was pretty smart since it found an effective way of combining an easy transformation which resulted in a robot which had a wide chest and a thin abdominal area, which has defined Optimus Prime ever since. This update makes that change in contour completely flawless with a smart transformation that was fine tuned from the earlier Masterpiece release of Optimus. They still didn’t fix the obvious groin area exposed in truck mode, an issue that even the G1 toy didn’t have. I do want to say that the cab is the highlight of this update. I don’t find the trailer to be much of an improvement over the G1 version, and Hasbro’s dull grey didn’t help. I was told it could be fixed with Reprolabels, and while that may be perfectly true, having to spend more money for a finished version of a product will not get you the number 1 spot (especially when your original toy was one of the best of the bunch). But number 4 is no sweat for this awesome toy.
And to give a sense of the difference in size:
3. Transformers Masterpiece Wheeljack
Oh man, what an update! They even got the spelling of sponsor “Alitalia” right this time (there are reprolabels to fix the correction though). The G1 toy, like the datsuns and other G1 cars, didn’t even have legs that could separate, so an update didn’t need much to make us happy. As a matter of fact, people were happy with simply a redeco of RTS Tracks. But this figure really knocks it out of the parc by not only being accurate but also my pick for the best new mold to come out of Hasbro/Takara in 2014. Not in a while had I marveled this much at a transformer, and on a pure toy level, he is an absolutely perfect example of a robot in disguise. He feels hefty, has flawless kibble free modes which are also both accurate to their own specific source (a cartoon model and an officially licensed car model).What I really loved about Wheeljack is how robot parts just spring out of him and are nowhere noticeable in his car mode, like his wings, which were far more evident in the original toy’s undercarriage and prone to loss. I just love how his feet are formed and look like distinct robot legs rather than a piece of his car. Unlike the Datsuns, these car pieces look more like feet than repurposed car parts, which was obviously not the case with the original G1 figure.
2. Transformers Generations Springer
Springer was not the best G1 triple changer. None of the three modes were convincing. His helicopter mode had his robot arms and hands sticking out with the excuse of it being Cybertronian in design (uurgh), the car mode was average and the robot mode was not great with odd proportions and terrible arms. He needed an update, that’s for sure, and had a bunch (starting with Energon’s Bulkhead, then Timelines, Universe and Generations GDO). But every single time, he either only turned into a car or helicopter. True triple changers are rarer than we think in the world of transformers toys, so getting an actual update of Springer as a triple changer in the Generations line was an event all on its own. It was even more wondrous to realize that this toy was an accomplishment. Unlike the G1 toy, both alt modes are very distinctive from one another. They have different dimensions and silhouettes, only sharing the color pallet. Also unlike the G1 toy, the robot mode is tall and sleek, with great proportions and one of the most poseable transformers toys at that price range. Even his sword that turns into the propeller is updated well, with a neat new transformation, and his gun has been given a serious overhaul. This would be the best update of all if it weren’t for the following number 1 pick...
1. Transformers Generations Warpath Gallery
As far as updates go, I can’t think of any other toy that needed it this much and got this good a result from it. It’s like owning a small masterpiece at the fraction of the cost. We went from a minibot with no legs, which looked locked in mid transformation into a deluxe class which oozes perfection. Unlike the G1 toy, the tank fully transforms into a robot with superb articulation, zero kibble and striking show accuracy for a non masterpiece toy. They did change his tank into an H tank, but I will take that if it means he gets legs in robot mode. It’s also worth noting that for an H tank, he doesn’t look like a robot crawling on all fours like Armada Megatron and Animated Shockwave (two toys that were NOT part of the best Tanks list). All around, I couldn’t think of a better update for a toy that so badly needed one. And for those who find the deluxe class too big for this toy, then just stick him in your masterpiece collection, he’ll fit right in.
Honourable mention: Generations Cosmos, Energon Galvatron, Masterpiece Grimlock, MP Soundwave, MP Lambor, Generations Scourge, Universe Cyclonus and the Classics seekers.
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Re: Top 5 best G1 Transformers Toy updates (1671022)
Posted by Rodimus Prime on April 4th, 2015 @ 8:47am CDT
Posted by Rodimus Prime on April 4th, 2015 @ 8:47am CDT
MP Grimlock
MP-01 Optimus Prime (robot mode)
MP Ultra Magnus
CW Superion (the individual bots are even better)
Generations Waspinator (I just LOVE this figure)
MP-01 Optimus Prime (robot mode)
MP Ultra Magnus
CW Superion (the individual bots are even better)
Generations Waspinator (I just LOVE this figure)
Re: Top 5 best G1 Transformers Toy updates (1671025)
Posted by Triptykon on April 4th, 2015 @ 9:09am CDT
Posted by Triptykon on April 4th, 2015 @ 9:09am CDT
Only one I'm missing is Wheeljack 
Just picked up Cosmos at Wal-Mart the other day on a whim, glad I did, for a tiny little guy,(I usually avoid those) he's surprisingly articulated. A great addition to the shelf.
Just picked up Cosmos at Wal-Mart the other day on a whim, glad I did, for a tiny little guy,(I usually avoid those) he's surprisingly articulated. A great addition to the shelf.
Re: Top 5 best G1 Transformers Toy updates (1671028)
Posted by Va'al on April 4th, 2015 @ 9:14am CDT
Posted by Va'al on April 4th, 2015 @ 9:14am CDT
I have to say, this time round I pretty much agree! 
I am a big fan of what the MP line is doing in terms of updating and offering new toys for the collector that started as a child fan, and MP G2 Sideswipe fills that spot for me (with the added bonus of comic-accurate face and weapons).
Although you seem to have forgotten the Greatest Autobot of All Time. For shame.
[Also, without going into the semantics of 'G1', Rhinox definitely should be in here somewhere.]
I am a big fan of what the MP line is doing in terms of updating and offering new toys for the collector that started as a child fan, and MP G2 Sideswipe fills that spot for me (with the added bonus of comic-accurate face and weapons).
Although you seem to have forgotten the Greatest Autobot of All Time. For shame.
[Also, without going into the semantics of 'G1', Rhinox definitely should be in here somewhere.]
Re: Top 5 best G1 Transformers Toy updates (1671029)
Posted by william-james88 on April 4th, 2015 @ 9:17am CDT
I kept it G1 centric inorder to do another Update list down the line. I love Rhinox too, though I wish he stood up a bit better.
Also, Alpha Bravo cant be on the list because he didnt have a G1 toy.
Posted by william-james88 on April 4th, 2015 @ 9:17am CDT
Va'al wrote:I have to say, this time round I pretty much agree!
I am a big fan of what the MP line is doing in terms of updating and offering new toys for the collector that started as a child fan, and MP G2 Sideswipe fills that spot for me (with the added bonus of comic-accurate face and weapons).
Although you seem to have forgotten the Greatest Autobot of All Time. For shame.
[Also, without going into the semantics of 'G1', Rhinox definitely should be in here somewhere.]
I kept it G1 centric inorder to do another Update list down the line. I love Rhinox too, though I wish he stood up a bit better.
Also, Alpha Bravo cant be on the list because he didnt have a G1 toy.
Re: Top 5 best G1 Transformers Toy updates (1671030)
Posted by Va'al on April 4th, 2015 @ 9:25am CDT
Posted by Va'al on April 4th, 2015 @ 9:25am CDT
william-james88 wrote:Va'al wrote:I have to say, this time round I pretty much agree!
I am a big fan of what the MP line is doing in terms of updating and offering new toys for the collector that started as a child fan, and MP G2 Sideswipe fills that spot for me (with the added bonus of comic-accurate face and weapons).
Although you seem to have forgotten the Greatest Autobot of All Time. For shame.
[Also, without going into the semantics of 'G1', Rhinox definitely should be in here somewhere.]
I kept it G1 centric inorder to do another Update list down the line. I love Rhinox too, though I wish he stood up a bit better.
Also, Alpha Bravo cant be on the list because he didnt have a G1 toy.
Re: Top 5 best G1 Transformers Toy updates (1671039)
Posted by frogbat on April 4th, 2015 @ 10:20am CDT
Posted by frogbat on April 4th, 2015 @ 10:20am CDT
good list.. i agree with most especially warpath. Was the one that came to mind as soon as I read the headline. I'd replace mp10 with mp ultra magnus. but to be honest I would keep the masterpiece series out of such a list.
here's my favourites
1. Generations Warpath
2. Wheeljack / Tracks generations. Great mould and reuse.
3. Cyclonus, generations. His robot mode is great.. fun transformation. On par with Kup as far as updates go, however kup's transformation can be a bit tedious and cyclonus comes with a targetmaster...
4. Generations hound. This guy is oft forgotten but both hid modes were excellent updates and the inclusion of a very well done ravage made this a terrific toy.
5. Shrapnel... excellent version and the size suits the characters...
Bubbling under... the aerialbots. Don't have powerglide yet but he looks like one great update.
here's my favourites
1. Generations Warpath
2. Wheeljack / Tracks generations. Great mould and reuse.
3. Cyclonus, generations. His robot mode is great.. fun transformation. On par with Kup as far as updates go, however kup's transformation can be a bit tedious and cyclonus comes with a targetmaster...
4. Generations hound. This guy is oft forgotten but both hid modes were excellent updates and the inclusion of a very well done ravage made this a terrific toy.
5. Shrapnel... excellent version and the size suits the characters...
Bubbling under... the aerialbots. Don't have powerglide yet but he looks like one great update.
Re: Top 5 best G1 Transformers Toy updates (1671044)
Posted by fenrir72 on April 4th, 2015 @ 10:40am CDT
Posted by fenrir72 on April 4th, 2015 @ 10:40am CDT
MP-Star Saber. If they, Tomy included Jean or Lumina 2 he would have been perfect SS anime version......heck, watching the anime Victory and Yuki really did an awesome job ( so long as you give the engineer the time unlike MP Megs he can do WONDERS!)
Re: Top 5 best G1 Transformers Toy updates (1671048)
Posted by Super Megatron on April 4th, 2015 @ 10:49am CDT
Agreed. Too bad this list is North American canon only. The only figure I disagree on that list is Kup. The Conehead seekers should had been in his place.
Posted by Super Megatron on April 4th, 2015 @ 10:49am CDT
fenrir72 wrote:MP-Star Saber. If they, Tomy included Jean or Lumina 2 he would have been perfect SS anime version......heck, watching the anime Victory and Yuki really did an awesome job ( so long as you give the engineer the time unlike MP Megs he can do WONDERS!)
Agreed. Too bad this list is North American canon only. The only figure I disagree on that list is Kup. The Conehead seekers should had been in his place.
Re: Top 5 best G1 Transformers Toy updates (1671063)
Posted by Emerje on April 4th, 2015 @ 11:30am CDT
Posted by Emerje on April 4th, 2015 @ 11:30am CDT
Good list, but for me I would have bumped everything up a slot, knocked off Kup, and made Generations Metroplex number one. Kup is a great figure, but Metroplex is that much better.
Honorable mention to Whirl, Roadbuster, and Masterpiece Prowl.
Emerje
Honorable mention to Whirl, Roadbuster, and Masterpiece Prowl.
Emerje
Re: Top 5 best G1 Transformers Toy updates (1671066)
Posted by munkimus prime on April 4th, 2015 @ 11:43am CDT
Posted by munkimus prime on April 4th, 2015 @ 11:43am CDT
I agree with the list but Masterpiece were obviously going to be far superior to their G1 counterparts so I feel it should of been restricted to just Classics and Generations mostly.
5. Generations Cosmos
4. Combiner Wars Superion
3. Generations Warpath
2. Generations Springer
1. Generations Leader G1 Megatron
I would of put Leader Ultra Magnus on the list but he's not out yet.
5. Generations Cosmos
4. Combiner Wars Superion
3. Generations Warpath
2. Generations Springer
1. Generations Leader G1 Megatron
I would of put Leader Ultra Magnus on the list but he's not out yet.
Re: Top 5 best G1 Transformers Toy updates (1671068)
Posted by Va'al on April 4th, 2015 @ 11:46am CDT
Good points right there. And yes, I would also agree on them there choices, too.
Posted by Va'al on April 4th, 2015 @ 11:46am CDT
munkimus prime wrote:I agree with the list but Masterpiece were obviously going to be far superior to their G1 counterparts so I feel it should of been restricted to just Classics and Generations mostly.
5. Generations Cosmos
4. Combiner Wars Superion
3. Generations Warpath
2. Generations Springer
1. Generations Leader G1 Megatron
I would of put Leader Ultra Magnus on the list but he's not out yet.
Good points right there. And yes, I would also agree on them there choices, too.
Re: Top 5 best G1 Transformers Toy updates (1671077)
Posted by CombaticonsCombine? on April 4th, 2015 @ 12:16pm CDT
Posted by CombaticonsCombine? on April 4th, 2015 @ 12:16pm CDT
My list:
5. Generations Cosmos
4. Masterpiece Soundwave
3. Generations Cyclonus
2. Generations Blitzving
1. Generations Warpath
0. CW Combiners
5. Generations Cosmos
4. Masterpiece Soundwave
3. Generations Cyclonus
2. Generations Blitzving
1. Generations Warpath
0. CW Combiners
Re: Top 5 best G1 Transformers Toy updates (1671085)
Posted by megatronus on April 4th, 2015 @ 1:08pm CDT
Posted by megatronus on April 4th, 2015 @ 1:08pm CDT
It's interesting you considered MP figures in this list. I personally wouldn't have, as the line seems to be more concerned with an ideal somewhat apart from the toys themselves. I think this list would have been more robust had it just been Classics/Generations-style figures, or if needed, two separate lists for MP & Generations updates.
That all said, I do like your choices overall, besides Kup.
That all said, I do like your choices overall, besides Kup.
Re: Top 5 best G1 Transformers Toy updates (1671086)
Posted by TreyTable on April 4th, 2015 @ 1:16pm CDT
Posted by TreyTable on April 4th, 2015 @ 1:16pm CDT
This list is racist; it's all Autobots.
I'd like to have my say and list my top five Decepticons.
In no particular order:
I'd like to have my say and list my top five Decepticons.
In no particular order:
- Seeker mold MP-11
Fans Toys Quakewave
Masterpiece Laserbeak/Buzzsaw
Generations Cyclonus
Masterpiece Soundwave/Soundblaster
Re: Top 5 best G1 Transformers Toy updates (1671157)
Posted by william-james88 on April 4th, 2015 @ 5:51pm CDT
Posted by william-james88 on April 4th, 2015 @ 5:51pm CDT
Ha! I didnt realize there were no decepticons but that's probably because there are only 3 molds for those in the Masterpiece line and I am not too fond of 2 of them.
Anyway, I just wanted to say that there will eventually be a best of Masterpiece line and best of Classics (or the sub lines, not sure yet), so this list was more to look at toys from G1 and how they evolved. Kup may not be the best update, as I mentioned, but that G1 toy needed an update more than most I feel (like the Insecticons, which are awesome G1 toys). For such an important character, that toy was...
My opinion, of course.
So since this was about seeing how much the toys evolved, I felt it was more fun to combine all the lines for this list because that's the only way I could reward the Generations figures for how good they truly are. Excluding the Masterpiece line in this list would take away from the accomplishment of Generations Springer and Warpath.
Anyway, I just wanted to say that there will eventually be a best of Masterpiece line and best of Classics (or the sub lines, not sure yet), so this list was more to look at toys from G1 and how they evolved. Kup may not be the best update, as I mentioned, but that G1 toy needed an update more than most I feel (like the Insecticons, which are awesome G1 toys). For such an important character, that toy was...
My opinion, of course.So since this was about seeing how much the toys evolved, I felt it was more fun to combine all the lines for this list because that's the only way I could reward the Generations figures for how good they truly are. Excluding the Masterpiece line in this list would take away from the accomplishment of Generations Springer and Warpath.
Re: Top 5 best G1 Transformers Toy updates (1671181)
Posted by Optimum Supreme on April 4th, 2015 @ 6:56pm CDT
Posted by Optimum Supreme on April 4th, 2015 @ 6:56pm CDT
I'd knock off Kup (though he is a great figure, don't get me wrong) stick in the Classic Seekers all as a single entry (except I guess you'd have to leave off Acid Storm since he had no G1 toy).
I'd also replace MP10 with MP01 and put that one in first place.
I'd also use Gen Wheeljack instead of MP, just because I have that one, and it's awesome, and I think one MP on the list is more than enough.
I'd give honorable mention to legends size Warpath, because without deluxe size, he'd definitely be in the running for the list.
I'd also replace MP10 with MP01 and put that one in first place.
I'd also use Gen Wheeljack instead of MP, just because I have that one, and it's awesome, and I think one MP on the list is more than enough.
I'd give honorable mention to legends size Warpath, because without deluxe size, he'd definitely be in the running for the list.
Re: Top 5 best G1 Transformers Toy updates (1671207)
Posted by shajaki on April 4th, 2015 @ 8:27pm CDT
Posted by shajaki on April 4th, 2015 @ 8:27pm CDT
Re: Top 5 best G1 Transformers Toy updates (1671213)
Posted by megatronus on April 4th, 2015 @ 9:06pm CDT
Posted by megatronus on April 4th, 2015 @ 9:06pm CDT
shajaki wrote:
Re: Top 5 best G1 Transformers Toy updates (1671216)
Posted by william-james88 on April 4th, 2015 @ 9:17pm CDT
But you made the honourable mentions at least (I'm not THAT blind). Also, I have some issues with his legs in alt mode. Also, as spectacular as it already is, I think there is room for improvement on that toy (oh and the combiner wars one will not be an improvement).
You are the second person to suggest that. Care to explain why MP 01 is superior to MP 10. I thought it was agreed upon that MP 10 was the better figure, and thus a better update on the G1 toy.
And for Generations Wheeljack, while I do have that mold as Tracks, the MP Wheeljack is really incredible and superior. It is well worth the 60-70$ I spent on it and I cannot recommend it enough. If ever Hasbro releases one, make sure you dont miss out
Posted by william-james88 on April 4th, 2015 @ 9:17pm CDT
shajaki wrote:
But you made the honourable mentions at least (I'm not THAT blind). Also, I have some issues with his legs in alt mode. Also, as spectacular as it already is, I think there is room for improvement on that toy (oh and the combiner wars one will not be an improvement).Optimum Supreme wrote:
I'd also replace MP10 with MP01 and put that one in first place.
I'd also use Gen Wheeljack instead of MP, just because I have that one, and it's awesome, and I think one MP on the list is more than enough.
You are the second person to suggest that. Care to explain why MP 01 is superior to MP 10. I thought it was agreed upon that MP 10 was the better figure, and thus a better update on the G1 toy.
And for Generations Wheeljack, while I do have that mold as Tracks, the MP Wheeljack is really incredible and superior. It is well worth the 60-70$ I spent on it and I cannot recommend it enough. If ever Hasbro releases one, make sure you dont miss out
Re: Top 5 best G1 Transformers Toy updates (1671217)
Posted by TK415 on April 4th, 2015 @ 9:17pm CDT
I like this idea. Comparing and contrasting the figures and valuing them and considering their availability and price really emphasis how truly awesome some figures are and how exciting they are. There are a few figures that do feel MP quality.
Posted by TK415 on April 4th, 2015 @ 9:17pm CDT
william-james88 wrote:So since this was about seeing how much the toys evolved, I felt it was more fun to combine all the lines for this list because that's the only way I could reward the Generations figures for how good they truly are. Excluding the Masterpiece line in this list would take away from the accomplishment of Generations Springer and Warpath.
I like this idea. Comparing and contrasting the figures and valuing them and considering their availability and price really emphasis how truly awesome some figures are and how exciting they are. There are a few figures that do feel MP quality.
Re: Top 5 best G1 Transformers Toy updates (1671220)
Posted by fenrir72 on April 4th, 2015 @ 9:20pm CDT
I remember having a discussion with a "very insistent he was right in opinion member" on which is better when translated in size. I love MP-10 and own MP-01. Shrinking the former made it more cost effective to have a complete Convoy set. But the reduction in size really did remove a lot of features that made MP-01 stand out.
Size really does matter. You can accomplish more features in a much bigger scale. To quote this article in TFwiki (assuming this was quoted correctly) Shogo Hasui is said to have bemoaned
"Like several Takara designers that have been interviewed, he bemoans Hasbro's restrictive size class plastic weight limits, which can cause headaches during design."
This comes from a Takara designer himself. I don't have to be an engineer to have come to that conclusion.
So in terms of a best transistion from original toy to its modern incarnation which is more 1986 Movie accurate, I'd say it's still MP-01. As the size did allow Takara engineers to do wonders even back in 2004.Not into the battery gimmick for the light up effect, but that got included, wrist coms and those hydraulic joints and grill on his shins. Pluse the energon ax can fit in a more streamline manner.
But the tech is no longer state of the art so MP-01, aside from the sheety paint chips and lack of neck and lack of Roller and Trailer which puts his cost prohibitively high really did aged well.
Did I fail to mention again that I do own MP-10 (another worthy succesor to the throne). So as not to accuse me of being biased against MP-10 for not owning one. Also own THS-02.
Posted by fenrir72 on April 4th, 2015 @ 9:20pm CDT
Optimum Supreme wrote:I'd knock off Kup (though he is a great figure, don't get me wrong) stick in the Classic Seekers all as a single entry (except I guess you'd have to leave off Acid Storm since he had no G1 toy).
I'd also replace MP10 with MP01 and put that one in first place.
I'd also use Gen Wheeljack instead of MP, just because I have that one, and it's awesome, and I think one MP on the list is more than enough.
I'd give honorable mention to legends size Warpath, because without deluxe size, he'd definitely be in the running for the list.
I remember having a discussion with a "very insistent he was right in opinion member" on which is better when translated in size. I love MP-10 and own MP-01. Shrinking the former made it more cost effective to have a complete Convoy set. But the reduction in size really did remove a lot of features that made MP-01 stand out.
Size really does matter. You can accomplish more features in a much bigger scale. To quote this article in TFwiki (assuming this was quoted correctly) Shogo Hasui is said to have bemoaned
"Like several Takara designers that have been interviewed, he bemoans Hasbro's restrictive size class plastic weight limits, which can cause headaches during design."
This comes from a Takara designer himself. I don't have to be an engineer to have come to that conclusion.
So in terms of a best transistion from original toy to its modern incarnation which is more 1986 Movie accurate, I'd say it's still MP-01. As the size did allow Takara engineers to do wonders even back in 2004.Not into the battery gimmick for the light up effect, but that got included, wrist coms and those hydraulic joints and grill on his shins. Pluse the energon ax can fit in a more streamline manner.
But the tech is no longer state of the art so MP-01, aside from the sheety paint chips and lack of neck and lack of Roller and Trailer which puts his cost prohibitively high really did aged well.
Did I fail to mention again that I do own MP-10 (another worthy succesor to the throne). So as not to accuse me of being biased against MP-10 for not owning one. Also own THS-02.
Re: Top 5 best G1 Transformers Toy updates (1671229)
Posted by william-james88 on April 4th, 2015 @ 9:38pm CDT
Maybe I misread, but do you mean that the gimmicks on MP-01 is what makes him superior to MP-10 ? I find both have their strengths. MP-10 has a better truck mode but I dislike how he has a visible head when you open his windows. He also has a better leg transformation but a hole in his crotch. The Pros and Cons seem to even out between the two.
Posted by william-james88 on April 4th, 2015 @ 9:38pm CDT
fenrir72 wrote:
So in terms of a best transistion from original toy to its modern incarnation which is more 1986 Movie accurate, I'd say it's still MP-01. As the size did allow Takara engineers to do wonders even back in 2004.Not into the battery gimmick for the light up effect, but that got included, wrist coms and those hydraulic joints and grill on his shins. Pluse the energon ax can fit in a more streamline manner.
But the tech is no longer state of the art so MP-01, aside from the sheety paint chips and lack of neck and lack of Roller and Trailer which puts his cost prohibitively high really did aged well.
Did I fail to mention again that I do own MP-10 (another worthy succesor to the throne). So as not to accuse me of being biased against MP-10 for not owning one. Also own THS-02.
Maybe I misread, but do you mean that the gimmicks on MP-01 is what makes him superior to MP-10 ? I find both have their strengths. MP-10 has a better truck mode but I dislike how he has a visible head when you open his windows. He also has a better leg transformation but a hole in his crotch. The Pros and Cons seem to even out between the two.
Re: Top 5 best G1 Transformers Toy updates (1671260)
Posted by Ultra Markus on April 4th, 2015 @ 11:56pm CDT
Posted by Ultra Markus on April 4th, 2015 @ 11:56pm CDT
well duh any of the masterpieces are great updates
Re: Top 5 best G1 Transformers Toy updates (1671263)
Posted by william-james88 on April 5th, 2015 @ 12:02am CDT
You mean like MP 05, MP 02 and MP 03 ?! The masterpiece line has its hits and misses like any other line. It's not a perfect line impervious to scrutiny. I even believe that the Classics Seeker mold accomplishes a better seeker mold than the masterpiece version.
Posted by william-james88 on April 5th, 2015 @ 12:02am CDT
Ultra Markus wrote:well duh any of the masterpieces are great updates
You mean like MP 05, MP 02 and MP 03 ?! The masterpiece line has its hits and misses like any other line. It's not a perfect line impervious to scrutiny. I even believe that the Classics Seeker mold accomplishes a better seeker mold than the masterpiece version.
Re: Top 5 best G1 Transformers Toy updates (1671267)
Posted by fenrir72 on April 5th, 2015 @ 12:20am CDT
Kind off. The size allowed more features. But it did temper off the cost. And of course, newer tech improvements. So, MP-01/MP-10 could have shared a tied position. Now if those gimmicks were included into MP-10
woohooooo! 
Now that you mentioned it, If THS-02 was made Voyager with all the gimmicks and it's truck mode improved, I'd say it would have been the best Optimus version.
Posted by fenrir72 on April 5th, 2015 @ 12:20am CDT
william-james88 wrote:fenrir72 wrote:
So in terms of a best transistion from original toy to its modern incarnation which is more 1986 Movie accurate, I'd say it's still MP-01. As the size did allow Takara engineers to do wonders even back in 2004.Not into the battery gimmick for the light up effect, but that got included, wrist coms and those hydraulic joints and grill on his shins. Pluse the energon ax can fit in a more streamline manner.
But the tech is no longer state of the art so MP-01, aside from the sheety paint chips and lack of neck and lack of Roller and Trailer which puts his cost prohibitively high really did aged well.
Did I fail to mention again that I do own MP-10 (another worthy succesor to the throne). So as not to accuse me of being biased against MP-10 for not owning one. Also own THS-02.
Maybe I misread, but do you mean that the gimmicks on MP-01 is what makes him superior to MP-10 ? I find both have their strengths. MP-10 has a better truck mode but I dislike how he has a visible head when you open his windows. He also has a better leg transformation but a hole in his crotch. The Pros and Cons seem to even out between the two.
Kind off. The size allowed more features. But it did temper off the cost. And of course, newer tech improvements. So, MP-01/MP-10 could have shared a tied position. Now if those gimmicks were included into MP-10
woohooooo! Now that you mentioned it, If THS-02 was made Voyager with all the gimmicks and it's truck mode improved, I'd say it would have been the best Optimus version.
Re: Top 5 best G1 Transformers Toy updates (1671268)
Posted by BERSEKAEL on April 5th, 2015 @ 12:24am CDT
MP Grimlock
MP-01 Optimus Prime (robot mode)
MP Ultra Magnus
CW Superion (the individual bots are even better)
Generations Metroplex
Posted by BERSEKAEL on April 5th, 2015 @ 12:24am CDT
Rodimus Prime wrote:MP Grimlock
MP-01 Optimus Prime (robot mode)
MP Ultra Magnus
CW Superion (the individual bots are even better)
Generations Waspinator (I just LOVE this figure)
MP Grimlock
MP-01 Optimus Prime (robot mode)
MP Ultra Magnus
CW Superion (the individual bots are even better)
Generations Metroplex
Re: Top 5 best G1 Transformers Toy updates (1671269)
Posted by fenrir72 on April 5th, 2015 @ 12:24am CDT
You forgot Rodimus. Excellent effort but hampered by weak materials/or supper strong materials (spring on ratchets) that the plastic could not handle the tension leading to busted shoulders and knees.
Still regretting not getting one.
Wished Tomy will re-issue him "improved" again. And maybe paint his face this time?
Posted by fenrir72 on April 5th, 2015 @ 12:24am CDT
william-james88 wrote:Ultra Markus wrote:well duh any of the masterpieces are great updates
You mean like MP 05, MP 02 and MP 03 ?! The masterpiece line has its hits and misses like any other line. It's not a perfect line impervious to scrutiny. I even believe that the Classics Seeker mold accomplishes a better seeker mold than the masterpiece version.
You forgot Rodimus. Excellent effort but hampered by weak materials/or supper strong materials (spring on ratchets) that the plastic could not handle the tension leading to busted shoulders and knees.
Still regretting not getting one.
Wished Tomy will re-issue him "improved" again. And maybe paint his face this time?
Re: Top 5 best G1 Transformers Toy updates (1671300)
Posted by frogbat on April 5th, 2015 @ 4:00am CDT
Posted by frogbat on April 5th, 2015 @ 4:00am CDT
Conversely to this discussion (dunno if it should have its own thread) here's my list of 5 g1 era bots that were excellent toys, whose cartoon models were close to, and basically the recent updates were good but they didn't bring anything spectacular to the plate because said toys were pretty good to begin with anyway.
1. G1 Soundwave. All he lacks is mass shifting. I don't have the mp version yet which I'd like to have but watching reviews online made me question how much of an improvement it is compared to say going from the g1 optimus prime to mp-1 or mp10.
2. G1 Grimlock. The original toy was magnificent and the cartoon model was close enough to the original toy. The mp version is great but it really does borrow a lot from the original design. Besides these two I own the FOC grimlock which I actually prefer. I have him with my generations and he fits in very well.
3. Brainstorm. I recently got the generations update. It was a great update in many ways but it also showed how off how good the original toy was for its time. Good articulation and fun transformation. I loved the headmaster gimmick as a kid (tho i prefer the japanese rationale behind it), and the update though an obvious improvement on the toy does have some shortcomings especially with the nebulan partner.
4. Perceptor. The original toy had some differences with the onscreen translation but it was a good rendition. The toy might not be very posable but it was good. The update isn't bad, the choice of alt vehicle made sense and the robot mode looked the part. However I found the transformation to be one of those deluxe generations that suffered from over fiddleness because of size.
5. Doubledealer. The original toy was large, chunky and had a giant missile that left me heartbroken when I found it missing (yay for ebay). To be fair, there was never an onscreen representation besides a tv ad (as far as i know) but the recent reuse of the blitzwing mode left me wishing they did a better job. I can live with a plane instead of the bird, but he really needs a giant ass missile and probably the red alert armada model would still be a better option. I agree with those who say that blitzwing would make a good flywheels (and perhaps springer a good battletrap?)
1. G1 Soundwave. All he lacks is mass shifting. I don't have the mp version yet which I'd like to have but watching reviews online made me question how much of an improvement it is compared to say going from the g1 optimus prime to mp-1 or mp10.
2. G1 Grimlock. The original toy was magnificent and the cartoon model was close enough to the original toy. The mp version is great but it really does borrow a lot from the original design. Besides these two I own the FOC grimlock which I actually prefer. I have him with my generations and he fits in very well.
3. Brainstorm. I recently got the generations update. It was a great update in many ways but it also showed how off how good the original toy was for its time. Good articulation and fun transformation. I loved the headmaster gimmick as a kid (tho i prefer the japanese rationale behind it), and the update though an obvious improvement on the toy does have some shortcomings especially with the nebulan partner.
4. Perceptor. The original toy had some differences with the onscreen translation but it was a good rendition. The toy might not be very posable but it was good. The update isn't bad, the choice of alt vehicle made sense and the robot mode looked the part. However I found the transformation to be one of those deluxe generations that suffered from over fiddleness because of size.
5. Doubledealer. The original toy was large, chunky and had a giant missile that left me heartbroken when I found it missing (yay for ebay). To be fair, there was never an onscreen representation besides a tv ad (as far as i know) but the recent reuse of the blitzwing mode left me wishing they did a better job. I can live with a plane instead of the bird, but he really needs a giant ass missile and probably the red alert armada model would still be a better option. I agree with those who say that blitzwing would make a good flywheels (and perhaps springer a good battletrap?)
Re: Top 5 best G1 Transformers Toy updates (1671356)
Posted by DetectiveFork on April 5th, 2015 @ 9:19am CDT
Posted by DetectiveFork on April 5th, 2015 @ 9:19am CDT
The H-Tank alt form just totally loses me with Warpath. I can't stand Hasbro's practice of considering H-Tanks a real alt mode; they feel like a total cheat and just don't look good to me. This Warpath has a great robot mode, but I was so frustrated with the alt mode that I finally sold this toy. Maybe one day we'll get a Warpath that transforms into a solid tank and is a better update of his G1 self.
Re: Top 5 best G1 Transformers Toy updates (1671363)
Posted by william-james88 on April 5th, 2015 @ 9:41am CDT
Hey man, this is an AWESOME list! And it does fit in well with this topic by showing which updates would not be considered for this list.
I feel the insecticons would have also fit well with your list (if it were a top 10 or something) because they were actually quite close to their show models, were great toys in and of themselves, and I feel their updates aren't that much superior to the original toys.
Posted by william-james88 on April 5th, 2015 @ 9:41am CDT
frogbat wrote:Conversely to this discussion (dunno if it should have its own thread) here's my list of 5 g1 era bots that were excellent toys, whose cartoon models were close to, and basically the recent updates were good but they didn't bring anything spectacular to the plate because said toys were pretty good to begin with anyway.
Hey man, this is an AWESOME list! And it does fit in well with this topic by showing which updates would not be considered for this list.
I feel the insecticons would have also fit well with your list (if it were a top 10 or something) because they were actually quite close to their show models, were great toys in and of themselves, and I feel their updates aren't that much superior to the original toys.
Re: Top 5 best G1 Transformers Toy updates (1671415)
Posted by Super Megatron on April 5th, 2015 @ 12:19pm CDT
I don't agree with you on MP03 and MP05. These are great updates to the original toys - it was the first run and design of the toys (MP03 had a second design to address any of the original design's weaknesses).
I do agree that MP10 should be replacing MP01. MP01 is a terrible figure in its design - floppy legs and waist, panels that doesn't stay in place, weight of the lower metal legs putting stress on the knees (which causes a lot of copies to break at that point), etc. Maybe you can do a list to cover bad updates of G1 toys.
Posted by Super Megatron on April 5th, 2015 @ 12:19pm CDT
william-james88 wrote:Ultra Markus wrote:well duh any of the masterpieces are great updates
You mean like MP 05, MP 02 and MP 03 ?! The masterpiece line has its hits and misses like any other line. It's not a perfect line impervious to scrutiny. I even believe that the Classics Seeker mold accomplishes a better seeker mold than the masterpiece version.
I don't agree with you on MP03 and MP05. These are great updates to the original toys - it was the first run and design of the toys (MP03 had a second design to address any of the original design's weaknesses).
I do agree that MP10 should be replacing MP01. MP01 is a terrible figure in its design - floppy legs and waist, panels that doesn't stay in place, weight of the lower metal legs putting stress on the knees (which causes a lot of copies to break at that point), etc. Maybe you can do a list to cover bad updates of G1 toys.
Re: Top 5 best G1 Transformers Toy updates (1671462)
Posted by Desslok2201 on April 5th, 2015 @ 1:43pm CDT
Posted by Desslok2201 on April 5th, 2015 @ 1:43pm CDT
As much as that Kup robot mode looks great, I can't reconcile the alt mode. That would knock it off the chart for me. No one has mentioned the really nice job that the club has been doing with former action masters. The new Krok looks fantastic, and Jackpot was right on. What's a better redo than taking a non transforming transformer and giving it an alt mode?
Re: Top 5 best G1 Transformers Toy updates (1671468)
Posted by CombaticonsCombine? on April 5th, 2015 @ 2:30pm CDT
Posted by CombaticonsCombine? on April 5th, 2015 @ 2:30pm CDT
Remakes of the Pretenders.
Duh.
Duh.
Re: Top 5 best G1 Transformers Toy updates (1671470)
Posted by Desslok2201 on April 5th, 2015 @ 2:33pm CDT
I think you may have had a bad copy of MP-01. I've had mine for 10 years, and does not have any of the issues you list.
Posted by Desslok2201 on April 5th, 2015 @ 2:33pm CDT
Super Megatron wrote:I do agree that MP10 should be replacing MP01. MP01 is a terrible figure in its design - floppy legs and waist, panels that doesn't stay in place, weight of the lower metal legs putting stress on the knees (which causes a lot of copies to break at that point), etc. Maybe you can do a list to cover bad updates of G1 toys.
I think you may have had a bad copy of MP-01. I've had mine for 10 years, and does not have any of the issues you list.
Re: Top 5 best G1 Transformers Toy updates (1671495)
Posted by frogbat on April 5th, 2015 @ 4:54pm CDT
Cheers! And I agree the insecticons were great but i do like what hasbro are doing with their legends figures. I hope to own the original and the updated set. So far I have one of each.
I remember each time I'd get a new toy after the initial wave of joy, I'd have a feeling of disappointment with many as they never fulfilled their potential. I remember being underwhelmed by wheeljack's robot mode and by thrust's legs not extending or why did he have such a tiny head... In fact I think I was most pleased with the micromasters because I didn't have any expectations attached to them from the cartoons. So I'm really glad at hasbro's attempts at bringing the characters to life in ways most of us probably hoped and imagined as kids. Right now I have superion and menasor battling it out in front of metroplex...
Posted by frogbat on April 5th, 2015 @ 4:54pm CDT
william-james88 wrote:
Hey man, this is an AWESOME list! And it does fit in well with this topic by showing which updates would not be considered for this list.
I feel the insecticons would have also fit well with your list (if it were a top 10 or something) because they were actually quite close to their show models, were great toys in and of themselves, and I feel their updates aren't that much superior to the original toys.
Cheers! And I agree the insecticons were great but i do like what hasbro are doing with their legends figures. I hope to own the original and the updated set. So far I have one of each.
I remember each time I'd get a new toy after the initial wave of joy, I'd have a feeling of disappointment with many as they never fulfilled their potential. I remember being underwhelmed by wheeljack's robot mode and by thrust's legs not extending or why did he have such a tiny head... In fact I think I was most pleased with the micromasters because I didn't have any expectations attached to them from the cartoons. So I'm really glad at hasbro's attempts at bringing the characters to life in ways most of us probably hoped and imagined as kids. Right now I have superion and menasor battling it out in front of metroplex...
Re: Top 5 best G1 Transformers Toy updates (1671508)
Posted by TK415 on April 5th, 2015 @ 5:51pm CDT
I love most of the Generations toys. I am usually pretty happy with them and don't mind slight changes. But one thing that made the G1 insecticons awesome was their color scheme. I don't usually desire chrome, but the toy insecticons looked unique and powerful with the chrome and their colors. One great component was their transparent yellow parts. They are incredible toys, they really only lack a little articulation. I don't need chrome on my Generations toys but the flat colors on the new insecticons really underwhelms me. I know that the cartoons weren't transparent, but FOC Kickback had colors that popped and looked great. Maybe they are waiting for the MP to knock them out of the park.
Posted by TK415 on April 5th, 2015 @ 5:51pm CDT
william-james88 wrote:frogbat wrote:Conversely to this discussion (dunno if it should have its own thread) here's my list of 5 g1 era bots that were excellent toys, whose cartoon models were close to, and basically the recent updates were good but they didn't bring anything spectacular to the plate because said toys were pretty good to begin with anyway.
Hey man, this is an AWESOME list! And it does fit in well with this topic by showing which updates would not be considered for this list.
I feel the insecticons would have also fit well with your list (if it were a top 10 or something) because they were actually quite close to their show models, were great toys in and of themselves, and I feel their updates aren't that much superior to the original toys.
I love most of the Generations toys. I am usually pretty happy with them and don't mind slight changes. But one thing that made the G1 insecticons awesome was their color scheme. I don't usually desire chrome, but the toy insecticons looked unique and powerful with the chrome and their colors. One great component was their transparent yellow parts. They are incredible toys, they really only lack a little articulation. I don't need chrome on my Generations toys but the flat colors on the new insecticons really underwhelms me. I know that the cartoons weren't transparent, but FOC Kickback had colors that popped and looked great. Maybe they are waiting for the MP to knock them out of the park.
Re: Top 5 best G1 Transformers Toy updates (1671543)
Posted by william-james88 on April 5th, 2015 @ 7:30pm CDT
That's a great Idea for a list. Perceptor would be on it for sure (more when comparing to the original which is a great G1 toy). But tell me this, where would Ironhide and Ratchet lie? The Universe mold is not a good mold but their original toy was piss poor (not takara's fault, but definitely hasbro's for repurposing a faceless mech into an autonomous robot). So the update s very good considering that it's giving us a head for the figure but its not that good a toy. So would that still be a bad update?
Posted by william-james88 on April 5th, 2015 @ 7:30pm CDT
Super Megatron wrote:william-james88 wrote:Ultra Markus wrote:well duh any of the masterpieces are great updates
You mean like MP 05, MP 02 and MP 03 ?! The masterpiece line has its hits and misses like any other line. It's not a perfect line impervious to scrutiny. I even believe that the Classics Seeker mold accomplishes a better seeker mold than the masterpiece version.
I don't agree with you on MP03 and MP05. These are great updates to the original toys - it was the first run and design of the toys (MP03 had a second design to address any of the original design's weaknesses).
I do agree that MP10 should be replacing MP01. MP01 is a terrible figure in its design - floppy legs and waist, panels that doesn't stay in place, weight of the lower metal legs putting stress on the knees (which causes a lot of copies to break at that point), etc. Maybe you can do a list to cover bad updates of G1 toys.
That's a great Idea for a list. Perceptor would be on it for sure (more when comparing to the original which is a great G1 toy). But tell me this, where would Ironhide and Ratchet lie? The Universe mold is not a good mold but their original toy was piss poor (not takara's fault, but definitely hasbro's for repurposing a faceless mech into an autonomous robot). So the update s very good considering that it's giving us a head for the figure but its not that good a toy. So would that still be a bad update?
Re: Top 5 best G1 Transformers Toy updates (1671549)
Posted by zatara1701 on April 5th, 2015 @ 7:47pm CDT
Posted by zatara1701 on April 5th, 2015 @ 7:47pm CDT
I honestly enjoy reading these "Top 5's" every other week...
BUT I do have one gripe about lists involving "best" this or that...
I really dont think Masterpieces should count. I love my Masterpiece collection, and I totally groove to ones I dont have even....BUT Masterpiece TFs are SUPPOSED to be superior in quality, design and engineering so putting them on lists like this kinda doesnt leave room for NORMAL and ORDINARY releases.
That's just my two cents...If we keep having lists populated with Masterpieces, whats the point??
BUT I do have one gripe about lists involving "best" this or that...
I really dont think Masterpieces should count. I love my Masterpiece collection, and I totally groove to ones I dont have even....BUT Masterpiece TFs are SUPPOSED to be superior in quality, design and engineering so putting them on lists like this kinda doesnt leave room for NORMAL and ORDINARY releases.
That's just my two cents...If we keep having lists populated with Masterpieces, whats the point??
Re: Top 5 best G1 Transformers Toy updates (1671552)
Posted by william-james88 on April 5th, 2015 @ 7:54pm CDT
Dont worry, they wont always be there, but I wont ignore them either. They are a line like any other. At a higher price and quality point, but that adds extra scrutiny, so it evens out. It is not impervious to failure and thus I will include it when necessary. Like I said, not including them in this list would not be fair to the figures that hold up against them, such as the ones found on this list. And its not like masterpiece toys are that much on another level. With the current generations offerings, the line keeps getting blurred, at both design and price point. Preordering the generations Ultra Magnus coming out on BBTS will be close to as expensive as the Datsuns were to preorder at HLJ.
But back to what I was saying, just think about it: if MPs are supposed to be superior to regular toys, what does that say about them not being 1st or 2nd place on this list, and most of us agreeing to that? By your logic, the MP line should be the only line on this list and yet it isn't, and I find that very fair and much more fair than denying any line an opportunity to reap it's success.
That aside, I am really glad you enjoy reading these lists and I hope you stick around.
Posted by william-james88 on April 5th, 2015 @ 7:54pm CDT
zatara1701 wrote:I honestly enjoy reading these "Top 5's" every other week...
BUT I do have one gripe about lists involving "best" this or that...
I really dont think Masterpieces should count. I love my Masterpiece collection, and I totally groove to ones I dont have even....BUT Masterpiece TFs are SUPPOSED to be superior in quality, design and engineering so putting them on lists like this kinda doesnt leave room for NORMAL and ORDINARY releases.
That's just my two cents...If we keep having lists populated with Masterpieces, whats the point??
Dont worry, they wont always be there, but I wont ignore them either. They are a line like any other. At a higher price and quality point, but that adds extra scrutiny, so it evens out. It is not impervious to failure and thus I will include it when necessary. Like I said, not including them in this list would not be fair to the figures that hold up against them, such as the ones found on this list. And its not like masterpiece toys are that much on another level. With the current generations offerings, the line keeps getting blurred, at both design and price point. Preordering the generations Ultra Magnus coming out on BBTS will be close to as expensive as the Datsuns were to preorder at HLJ.
But back to what I was saying, just think about it: if MPs are supposed to be superior to regular toys, what does that say about them not being 1st or 2nd place on this list, and most of us agreeing to that? By your logic, the MP line should be the only line on this list and yet it isn't, and I find that very fair and much more fair than denying any line an opportunity to reap it's success.
That aside, I am really glad you enjoy reading these lists and I hope you stick around.
Re: Top 5 best G1 Transformers Toy updates (1671575)
Posted by fenrir72 on April 5th, 2015 @ 8:53pm CDT
Which version of MP-01 do you mean? Is it the Takara or Hasbro version?
Far to admit it is perfect, my MP-01 (1st run) issues are the freakin' paint chipping off/drying out. And Megatron figure stock extender breaking off after staring at it funny.
Energon ax also feeling quite sticky that you need to treat it with Armor All occasionally.
The floppy panels may come from subsequent re-issues to the mold. Must be degrading already.
Posted by fenrir72 on April 5th, 2015 @ 8:53pm CDT
Super Megatron wrote:william-james88 wrote:Ultra Markus wrote:well duh any of the masterpieces are great updates
You mean like MP 05, MP 02 and MP 03 ?! The masterpiece line has its hits and misses like any other line. It's not a perfect line impervious to scrutiny. I even believe that the Classics Seeker mold accomplishes a better seeker mold than the masterpiece version.
I don't agree with you on MP03 and MP05. These are great updates to the original toys - it was the first run and design of the toys (MP03 had a second design to address any of the original design's weaknesses).
I do agree that MP10 should be replacing MP01. MP01 is a terrible figure in its design - floppy legs and waist, panels that doesn't stay in place, weight of the lower metal legs putting stress on the knees (which causes a lot of copies to break at that point), etc. Maybe you can do a list to cover bad updates of G1 toys.
Which version of MP-01 do you mean? Is it the Takara or Hasbro version?
Far to admit it is perfect, my MP-01 (1st run) issues are the freakin' paint chipping off/drying out. And Megatron figure stock extender breaking off after staring at it funny.
Energon ax also feeling quite sticky that you need to treat it with Armor All occasionally.
The floppy panels may come from subsequent re-issues to the mold. Must be degrading already.
Re: Top 5 best G1 Transformers Toy updates (1671580)
Posted by padfoo on April 5th, 2015 @ 9:10pm CDT
Posted by padfoo on April 5th, 2015 @ 9:10pm CDT
Great top 5 list I really enjoyed it. I would've also put the Windcharger toy from a few years (not the new mold) ago on that list. It was a really good update of the character.
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Posted by william-james88 on April 5th, 2015 @ 9:17pm CDT
Thanks, it means a lot! And yeah, that windcharger toy is awesome (it was from reveal the shield) but I have yet to own it. It got pretty darn expensive.
Posted by william-james88 on April 5th, 2015 @ 9:17pm CDT
padfoo wrote:Great top 5 list I really enjoyed it. I would've also put the Windcharger toy from a few years (not the new mold) ago on that list. It was a really good update of the character.
Thanks, it means a lot! And yeah, that windcharger toy is awesome (it was from reveal the shield) but I have yet to own it. It got pretty darn expensive.
Re: Top 5 best G1 Transformers Toy updates (1671584)
Posted by Flashwave on April 5th, 2015 @ 9:20pm CDT
Right, but here's my take on the matter: Sideswipe. The Universe Sideswipe/Sunstreaker mold is an AWESOME update to the G1 figures, (Although the G1q figs were much less lacking than the examples on this week's list) has proven highly versatile, and did it with minimal retooling. The vehicle modes look good, the robot modes look good, one can nitpick the thiness of the arms, and now 10 years later one of my Sideswipe arms is getting a bit loose, but that could be mine or age. but in a best update pole, They can't beat out the Masterpiece line lecause they are playing on two different levels.
Posted by Flashwave on April 5th, 2015 @ 9:20pm CDT
william-james88 wrote:zatara1701 wrote:I honestly enjoy reading these "Top 5's" every other week...
BUT I do have one gripe about lists involving "best" this or that...
I really dont think Masterpieces should count. I love my Masterpiece collection, and I totally groove to ones I dont have even....BUT Masterpiece TFs are SUPPOSED to be superior in quality, design and engineering so putting them on lists like this kinda doesnt leave room for NORMAL and ORDINARY releases.
That's just my two cents...If we keep having lists populated with Masterpieces, whats the point??
Dont worry, they wont always be there, but I wont ignore them either. They are a line like any other. At a higher price and quality point, but that adds extra scrutiny, so it evens out. It is not impervious to failure and thus I will include it when necessary. Like I said, not including them in this list would not be fair to the figures that hold up against them, such as the ones found on this list. And its not like masterpiece toys are that much on another level. With the current generations offerings, the line keeps getting blurred, at both design and price point. Preordering the generations Ultra Magnus coming out on BBTS will be close to as expensive as the Datsuns were to preorder at HLJ.
Right, but here's my take on the matter: Sideswipe. The Universe Sideswipe/Sunstreaker mold is an AWESOME update to the G1 figures, (Although the G1q figs were much less lacking than the examples on this week's list) has proven highly versatile, and did it with minimal retooling. The vehicle modes look good, the robot modes look good, one can nitpick the thiness of the arms, and now 10 years later one of my Sideswipe arms is getting a bit loose, but that could be mine or age. but in a best update pole, They can't beat out the Masterpiece line lecause they are playing on two different levels.
Re: Top 5 best G1 Transformers Toy updates (1671585)
Posted by william-james88 on April 5th, 2015 @ 9:28pm CDT
Fair points. As you mentioned, they wouldnt be on this main list (MP Lambor is an honorary mention though, hard to avoid) simply because their G1 toy is actually better than most. So I kinda dodged a bullet with that one. Then again, MP Lambor would be a better update on sideswipe but the Universe mold would be a better update on Sunstreaker. Or the MP mold could be the better update while the universe mold would be the more inventive mold. We could work with that and include both those achievements on separate lists seeking different things.
Posted by william-james88 on April 5th, 2015 @ 9:28pm CDT
Flashwave wrote:william-james88 wrote:zatara1701 wrote:I honestly enjoy reading these "Top 5's" every other week...
BUT I do have one gripe about lists involving "best" this or that...
I really dont think Masterpieces should count. I love my Masterpiece collection, and I totally groove to ones I dont have even....BUT Masterpiece TFs are SUPPOSED to be superior in quality, design and engineering so putting them on lists like this kinda doesnt leave room for NORMAL and ORDINARY releases.
That's just my two cents...If we keep having lists populated with Masterpieces, whats the point??
Dont worry, they wont always be there, but I wont ignore them either. They are a line like any other. At a higher price and quality point, but that adds extra scrutiny, so it evens out. It is not impervious to failure and thus I will include it when necessary. Like I said, not including them in this list would not be fair to the figures that hold up against them, such as the ones found on this list. And its not like masterpiece toys are that much on another level. With the current generations offerings, the line keeps getting blurred, at both design and price point. Preordering the generations Ultra Magnus coming out on BBTS will be close to as expensive as the Datsuns were to preorder at HLJ.
Right, but here's my take on the matter: Sideswipe. The Universe Sideswipe/Sunstreaker mold is an AWESOME update to the G1 figures, (Although the G1q figs were much less lacking than the examples on this week's list) has proven highly versatile, and did it with minimal retooling. The vehicle modes look good, the robot modes look good, one can nitpick the thiness of the arms, and now 10 years later one of my Sideswipe arms is getting a bit loose, but that could be mine or age. but in a best update pole, They can't beat out the Masterpiece line lecause they are playing on two different levels.
Fair points. As you mentioned, they wouldnt be on this main list (MP Lambor is an honorary mention though, hard to avoid) simply because their G1 toy is actually better than most. So I kinda dodged a bullet with that one. Then again, MP Lambor would be a better update on sideswipe but the Universe mold would be a better update on Sunstreaker. Or the MP mold could be the better update while the universe mold would be the more inventive mold. We could work with that and include both those achievements on separate lists seeking different things.
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Posted by Optimum Supreme on April 6th, 2015 @ 7:07pm CDT
Well, I don't have an MP10, so my comparison ability is limited to pics, but I just like the way MP01 looks much more. MP01 is if not my absolute favorite TF of all time certainly in the top two or three. Don't get me wrong, I'm in no way saying MP10 isn't a great figure, I'm sure it is, but I'd take MP01 over it any day of the week and twice on Sunday. (Japanese MP01, btw, long stacks for the win).
Posted by Optimum Supreme on April 6th, 2015 @ 7:07pm CDT
william-james88 wrote:Optimum Supreme wrote:
I'd also replace MP10 with MP01 and put that one in first place.
You are the second person to suggest that. Care to explain why MP 01 is superior to MP 10. I thought it was agreed upon that MP 10 was the better figure, and thus a better update on the G1 toy.
Well, I don't have an MP10, so my comparison ability is limited to pics, but I just like the way MP01 looks much more. MP01 is if not my absolute favorite TF of all time certainly in the top two or three. Don't get me wrong, I'm in no way saying MP10 isn't a great figure, I'm sure it is, but I'd take MP01 over it any day of the week and twice on Sunday. (Japanese MP01, btw, long stacks for the win).
Re: Top 5 best G1 Transformers Toy updates (1672516)
Posted by Super Megatron on April 7th, 2015 @ 4:45pm CDT
Then you're a lucky one. You see tons of these problems in many copies online (i.e. eBay). It's not so much a Q.C> issue, but a design issue (i.e the metal parts puts a lot of stress on the plastic in the lower joints). From a design perspective, MP01 is a very disappointing figure.
Either version. Again, it's a design issue that had its problems addressed (mostly) with MP10. I'm really hoping they won't waste more time and resources in designing YET ANOTHER Optimus Prime figure. Has/Tak should just let the dog die already.
Bad toy updates? I would say the first Deluxe Classic Optimus Prime and Classic Mirage would fall under this category (lazy transformation schema and poor aesthetics) more so than Universe Ironhide and Ratchet.
Toys that shows Takara/Hasbro trying new things should not belong to this category. Universe Ironhide and Ratchet, despite suffering similar design flaws as MP01, is the first attempt to make these characters similar to their cartoon counterparts, so they shouldn't fall under the poor updates category, but the "nice first try on updating the toy" group. Trying new things should never be punished - especially from a toy company that designs transforming toys. If that's the route that Hasbro and Takara takes (which thankfully they haven't yet), we would have nothing but Optimus Primes and Bumblebee toys.
That's like the Bayverse toyline in the last 5 years and, judging by the shelf and peg warmers during that time, I think most consumers would agree. If I want to collect bland toys, I would be into My Little Pony.
But I'm not.
Posted by Super Megatron on April 7th, 2015 @ 4:45pm CDT
Super Megatron wrote:william-james88 wrote:Ultra Markus wrote:well duh any of the masterpieces are great updates
You mean like MP 05, MP 02 and MP 03 ?! The masterpiece line has its hits and misses like any other line. It's not a perfect line impervious to scrutiny. I even believe that the Classics Seeker mold accomplishes a better seeker mold than the masterpiece version.
I do agree that MP10 should be replacing MP01. MP01 is a terrible figure in its design - floppy legs and waist, panels that doesn't stay in place, weight of the lower metal legs putting stress on the knees (which causes a lot of copies to break at that point), etc. Maybe you can do a list to cover bad updates of G1 toys.
Desslok2201 wrote:I think you may have had a bad copy of MP-01. I've had mine for 10 years, and does not have any of the issues you list.
Then you're a lucky one. You see tons of these problems in many copies online (i.e. eBay). It's not so much a Q.C> issue, but a design issue (i.e the metal parts puts a lot of stress on the plastic in the lower joints). From a design perspective, MP01 is a very disappointing figure.
fenrir72 wrote:Which version of MP-01 do you mean? Is it the Takara or Hasbro version?
Far to admit it is perfect, my MP-01 (1st run) issues are the freakin' paint chipping off/drying out. And Megatron figure stock extender breaking off after staring at it funny.
Energon ax also feeling quite sticky that you need to treat it with Armor All occasionally.
The floppy panels may come from subsequent re-issues to the mold. Must be degrading already.
Either version. Again, it's a design issue that had its problems addressed (mostly) with MP10. I'm really hoping they won't waste more time and resources in designing YET ANOTHER Optimus Prime figure. Has/Tak should just let the dog die already.
william-james88 wrote:That's a great Idea for a list. Perceptor would be on it for sure (more when comparing to the original which is a great G1 toy). But tell me this, where would Ironhide and Ratchet lie? The Universe mold is not a good mold but their original toy was piss poor (not takara's fault, but definitely hasbro's for repurposing a faceless mech into an autonomous robot). So the update s very good considering that it's giving us a head for the figure but its not that good a toy. So would that still be a bad update?
Bad toy updates? I would say the first Deluxe Classic Optimus Prime and Classic Mirage would fall under this category (lazy transformation schema and poor aesthetics) more so than Universe Ironhide and Ratchet.
Toys that shows Takara/Hasbro trying new things should not belong to this category. Universe Ironhide and Ratchet, despite suffering similar design flaws as MP01, is the first attempt to make these characters similar to their cartoon counterparts, so they shouldn't fall under the poor updates category, but the "nice first try on updating the toy" group. Trying new things should never be punished - especially from a toy company that designs transforming toys. If that's the route that Hasbro and Takara takes (which thankfully they haven't yet), we would have nothing but Optimus Primes and Bumblebee toys.
That's like the Bayverse toyline in the last 5 years and, judging by the shelf and peg warmers during that time, I think most consumers would agree. If I want to collect bland toys, I would be into My Little Pony.
But I'm not.
Re: Top 5 best G1 Transformers Toy updates (1672544)
Posted by LegendaryAntiHero on April 7th, 2015 @ 5:40pm CDT
Posted by LegendaryAntiHero on April 7th, 2015 @ 5:40pm CDT
chug seekers and Warpath are the best
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Posted by william-james88 on April 7th, 2015 @ 6:55pm CDT
Hell yeah!
Posted by william-james88 on April 7th, 2015 @ 6:55pm CDT
LegendaryAntiHero wrote:chug seekers and Warpath are the best
Hell yeah!
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Posted by Ironhidensh on April 7th, 2015 @ 6:58pm CDT
Posted by Ironhidensh on April 7th, 2015 @ 6:58pm CDT
With my main consideration being an update to its G1 incarnation, here is my list:
5) MP-11 Starscream. This is the seeker I always wanted as a child. Very articulated, show accurate robot, and a great looking jet mode.
4) Reveal the Shield Jazz. For goodness sake, he had speakers on his doors!
3) Generations Skids. If you own the original, no more need be said.
2).MP Ultra Magnus. A true, full transforming car carrier. Again, a toy I waited 30 years for.
1) MP Bumblebee. I just got this figure yesterday, but I've already fallen in love. Hardly bigger than the original G1 cars, this figure still packs 30 years of awesome into it, yet still stays simple enough to be an incredible amount of fun.
5) MP-11 Starscream. This is the seeker I always wanted as a child. Very articulated, show accurate robot, and a great looking jet mode.
4) Reveal the Shield Jazz. For goodness sake, he had speakers on his doors!
3) Generations Skids. If you own the original, no more need be said.
2).MP Ultra Magnus. A true, full transforming car carrier. Again, a toy I waited 30 years for.
1) MP Bumblebee. I just got this figure yesterday, but I've already fallen in love. Hardly bigger than the original G1 cars, this figure still packs 30 years of awesome into it, yet still stays simple enough to be an incredible amount of fun.
Re: Top 5 best G1 Transformers Toy updates (1719131)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on August 18th, 2015 @ 7:16pm CDT
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on August 18th, 2015 @ 7:16pm CDT
Cosmos and Swerve are great! So are Springer, Superion, Defensor, Sky Lynx and Cyclonus 
