Top 5 Best Firetruck Transformers Toys
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Top 5 Best Firetruck Transformers Toys
As I was writing this list I realized something interesting: Quite a few of the best Transformers toys of all time turn into fire trucks. Sure you can say that about other alt modes, like sports cars and jets, but a firetruck is a bit more distinctive. However as distictive as that type of truck is, the amazing fire truck toys we have gotten over the years all showcase different types of firetrucks, from different nations.
5. Transformers Cybertron Optimus Prime (Galaxy Convoy) as a Fire Truck of unknown origins
Don't let this being number 5 take away anything from the fact that this is one of the best Optimus Prime toys out there. It was a new design with some nice homages and while the articulation is lacking, it has fun play features, looks imposing and has this nice chunky feel to him. However, when it comes to its firetruck alt mode there is a lot to be desired. While the show is called Cybertron, this was actually supposed to be a (futuristic?) earth vehicle, specifically a fire truck. I see it enough to let it be on this list, especially given how great the toy is, but the alt mode is clearly not one fo this figure's strongest points.
4. Transformers Universe - Classics 2.0 Infernoas an American pumper/tanker fire truck
This is one of the best molds from the Universe line. I really love how efficient the paneling is at filling in some crucial alt mode details to cover the robot bits and then dissapearing in robot mode. I love the itty bitty toes transforming to give the alt mode smoother surface in the back, and I love the bold firetruck front in bot mode. The G1 headsculpt is fun too and it is simply a great update to the Inferno design within a neo g1 line especially in its alt mode which is of a firetruck that is far more recognisable to western fans today. It is one of the toys I keep coming back to for a fun transformation experience and its great redecos and retools out there give us even more reasons to have it in one's collection multiple times.
3. Transformers Robots In Disguise Optimus Prime (Fire Convoy) as a Japanese Hino Brandlier fire truck
While I am certain this toy could be redone to day to be mroe stable, the quality and look here is probably better than anything we could hope for today. It just looks great thanks to the use of chrome, clear plastic and generous paint. I really like the super form's head sculpt too which was a very different version of a Prime headsculpt but still has some call backs to both Optimus Prime and Optimus Primal. And this is the Transformers firetruck which has by far the most awesome ladder. It can extend to a ludicrous degree, become one hell of a canon in robot mode and it has a series of pop out missiles to boot.
2. Transformers Dark of the Moon Leader Sentinel Prime as a Rosenbauer Panther 6x6 airport fire truck
This is a masterpiece in all but name. The engineering is masterful and this is the last great movie leader we got with its imposing size and complexity. When Transformers toys are compared to origami and rearanging parts to create another form, I think of this toy (and MP 36 Megatron) most. Anyone who loves Transformer toys, regardless of their opinions on live action movie designs, owes it to themselves to transform this bot and see how the robot feet and chest come toform in a series minute steps which take parts seen in the alt mode and flip, turn or fold them to create something new. There are no fake parts on this bot which is also very impressive.
1. Transformers Masterpiece Inferno and Artfire as a Mitsubishi Fuso F-Series FT fire ladder truck
We have none other than site owner Seibertron to thank for the following review:
While I still think the legs are in need of some much needed line/panel details to make it look a little less cartoony (ala Masterpiece Grapple), I can't express enough how impressed I am by this toy. Every now and then, there's an ingenious new Transformers figure that just blows me away. Masterpiece Wheeljack comes to mind, Masterpiece Prowl, Transformers Prime RID Vehicon (love the accordion style transformation), Transformers Prime First Edition Cliffjumper, and I'm sure there are a few others but those immediately jump out at me as some of my favorites from the past 5 years.
Inferno is now one of those. Not only is there "ladder magic" happening here, part of the "ladder magic" happens extremely early as in the first step or two of his transformation. There are several really cool things going on with him to achieve a realistic vehicle mode and his beautiful robot mode. While the shoulders/upper arms have a very unique transformation going on (once I figure out how to do them), I would advise caution with this part of his transformation as I foresee broken arms on future loose samples of Masterpiece Inferno and Grapple. Still a very clever transformation, as are the various panels on his legs and cab, the hoses repositioning lower in robot mode, etc. He's also very large. I don't have Ironhide out at the moment but I'm assuming he's as tall if not taller than Ironhide.
Masterpiece MP-33 Inferno is a great, great, great figure. I haven't been this excited about a Masterpiece figure since Wheeljack or Prowl, so it's great to see them do something that really amazes me once again, enough so that I have to come on here to share my excitement.
David Copperfield would be impressed. - Seibertron
Honourable Mention: Transformers Power Core Combiners Smolder as a fire department brush truck. I like that this is not a typical firetruck but still serves the same purpose. I always like when Transformers intriduce new alt modes. There is a nice fire rescue theme with the robot too with the minicon turning into an axe and the combiner head having a curved visor helmet with tubes near the mouth making it look like a cybertronian version of the oxygen supply mask on firefighter equipment.
Top 5 Best Firetruck Transformers Toys
As I was writing this list I realized something interesting: Quite a few of the best Transformers toys of all time turn into fire trucks. Sure you can say that about other alt modes, like sports cars and jets, but a firetruck is a bit more distinctive. However as distictive as that type of truck is, the amazing fire truck toys we have gotten over the years all showcase different types of firetrucks, from different nations.
5. Transformers Cybertron Optimus Prime (Galaxy Convoy) as a Fire Truck of unknown origins
Don't let this being number 5 take away anything from the fact that this is one of the best Optimus Prime toys out there. It was a new design with some nice homages and while the articulation is lacking, it has fun play features, looks imposing and has this nice chunky feel to him. However, when it comes to its firetruck alt mode there is a lot to be desired. While the show is called Cybertron, this was actually supposed to be a (futuristic?) earth vehicle, specifically a fire truck. I see it enough to let it be on this list, especially given how great the toy is, but the alt mode is clearly not one fo this figure's strongest points.
4. Transformers Universe - Classics 2.0 Infernoas an American pumper/tanker fire truck
This is one of the best molds from the Universe line. I really love how efficient the paneling is at filling in some crucial alt mode details to cover the robot bits and then dissapearing in robot mode. I love the itty bitty toes transforming to give the alt mode smoother surface in the back, and I love the bold firetruck front in bot mode. The G1 headsculpt is fun too and it is simply a great update to the Inferno design within a neo g1 line especially in its alt mode which is of a firetruck that is far more recognisable to western fans today. It is one of the toys I keep coming back to for a fun transformation experience and its great redecos and retools out there give us even more reasons to have it in one's collection multiple times.
3. Transformers Robots In Disguise Optimus Prime (Fire Convoy) as a Japanese Hino Brandlier fire truck
While I am certain this toy could be redone to day to be mroe stable, the quality and look here is probably better than anything we could hope for today. It just looks great thanks to the use of chrome, clear plastic and generous paint. I really like the super form's head sculpt too which was a very different version of a Prime headsculpt but still has some call backs to both Optimus Prime and Optimus Primal. And this is the Transformers firetruck which has by far the most awesome ladder. It can extend to a ludicrous degree, become one hell of a canon in robot mode and it has a series of pop out missiles to boot.
2. Transformers Dark of the Moon Leader Sentinel Prime as a Rosenbauer Panther 6x6 airport fire truck
This is a masterpiece in all but name. The engineering is masterful and this is the last great movie leader we got with its imposing size and complexity. When Transformers toys are compared to origami and rearanging parts to create another form, I think of this toy (and MP 36 Megatron) most. Anyone who loves Transformer toys, regardless of their opinions on live action movie designs, owes it to themselves to transform this bot and see how the robot feet and chest come toform in a series minute steps which take parts seen in the alt mode and flip, turn or fold them to create something new. There are no fake parts on this bot which is also very impressive.
1. Transformers Masterpiece Inferno and Artfire as a Mitsubishi Fuso F-Series FT fire ladder truck
We have none other than site owner Seibertron to thank for the following review:
While I still think the legs are in need of some much needed line/panel details to make it look a little less cartoony (ala Masterpiece Grapple), I can't express enough how impressed I am by this toy. Every now and then, there's an ingenious new Transformers figure that just blows me away. Masterpiece Wheeljack comes to mind, Masterpiece Prowl, Transformers Prime RID Vehicon (love the accordion style transformation), Transformers Prime First Edition Cliffjumper, and I'm sure there are a few others but those immediately jump out at me as some of my favorites from the past 5 years.
Inferno is now one of those. Not only is there "ladder magic" happening here, part of the "ladder magic" happens extremely early as in the first step or two of his transformation. There are several really cool things going on with him to achieve a realistic vehicle mode and his beautiful robot mode. While the shoulders/upper arms have a very unique transformation going on (once I figure out how to do them), I would advise caution with this part of his transformation as I foresee broken arms on future loose samples of Masterpiece Inferno and Grapple. Still a very clever transformation, as are the various panels on his legs and cab, the hoses repositioning lower in robot mode, etc. He's also very large. I don't have Ironhide out at the moment but I'm assuming he's as tall if not taller than Ironhide.
Masterpiece MP-33 Inferno is a great, great, great figure. I haven't been this excited about a Masterpiece figure since Wheeljack or Prowl, so it's great to see them do something that really amazes me once again, enough so that I have to come on here to share my excitement.
David Copperfield would be impressed. - Seibertron
Honourable Mention: Transformers Power Core Combiners Smolder as a fire department brush truck. I like that this is not a typical firetruck but still serves the same purpose. I always like when Transformers intriduce new alt modes. There is a nice fire rescue theme with the robot too with the minicon turning into an axe and the combiner head having a curved visor helmet with tubes near the mouth making it look like a cybertronian version of the oxygen supply mask on firefighter equipment.
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Re: Top 5 Best Firetruck Transformers Toys (2013006)
Posted by Quantum Surge on March 2nd, 2019 @ 2:15pm CST
Posted by Quantum Surge on March 2nd, 2019 @ 2:15pm CST
Even with the ladder trick, it doesn't make up for how MP Inferno is a plain looking fire truck. I'd rank RID Optimus, Universe Inferno, and DOTM Sentinel up on top.
Re: Top 5 Best Firetruck Transformers Toys (2013008)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on March 2nd, 2019 @ 2:35pm CST
Posted by -Kanrabat- on March 2nd, 2019 @ 2:35pm CST
I never had nor handled MP Inferno so I can't have an opinion. But for me, the #1 firetruck and maybe the #1 transformers mold of all times is Universe Inferno. I love that mold so much that I did catch 'em all!
Re: Top 5 Best Firetruck Transformers Toys (2013014)
Posted by Nathaniel Prime on March 2nd, 2019 @ 2:52pm CST
Posted by Nathaniel Prime on March 2nd, 2019 @ 2:52pm CST
I have to agree with all your choices. MP Inferno is a great figure, and MP Artfire just takes that greatness through the roof with that wicked deco.
One thing I would like to mention; would you consider CW Hot Spot/POTP Inferno as an honorable mention?
Btw, I have never experienced any if these figures, but I do know that each one is good, and so I have no issue with this list
As always, a great list to read Will
One thing I would like to mention; would you consider CW Hot Spot/POTP Inferno as an honorable mention?
Btw, I have never experienced any if these figures, but I do know that each one is good, and so I have no issue with this list
As always, a great list to read Will
Re: Top 5 Best Firetruck Transformers Toys (2013018)
Posted by frogbat on March 2nd, 2019 @ 3:11pm CST
Posted by frogbat on March 2nd, 2019 @ 3:11pm CST
I have the g1 and mp inferno and the generations mould... I’m a bigger fan of grapple but usually end up getting inferno too... really hoped to see a siege version, think the generations version is one of my least favourite chug figures. Don’t think that will happen due to the potp version,
Re: Top 5 Best Firetruck Transformers Toys (2013023)
Posted by Fires_Of_Inferno on March 2nd, 2019 @ 3:51pm CST
Posted by Fires_Of_Inferno on March 2nd, 2019 @ 3:51pm CST
Niiiice! I absolutely love Smolder! So few Decepticons take the form of emergency response vehicles! It's such a missed opportunity for treachery, to be honest. In a G1 sense, the idea of the Protectobots coming to aid the humans after a Decepticon attack, only for the humans to run screaming because they were attacked by Decepticons with rescue vehicle alt modes is awesome. Or even making humans afraid of their own emergency responders!
Re: Top 5 Best Firetruck Transformers Toys (2013025)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on March 2nd, 2019 @ 4:00pm CST
I made a custom combiner for my friend with that exact theme.
The main unit is a firetruck... literally.
Posted by -Kanrabat- on March 2nd, 2019 @ 4:00pm CST
Fires_Of_Inferno wrote:Niiiice! I absolutely love Smolder! So few Decepticons take the form of emergency response vehicles! It's such a missed opportunity for treachery, to be honest. In a G1 sense, the idea of the Protectobots coming to aid the humans after a Decepticon attack, only for the humans to run screaming because they were attacked by Decepticons with rescue vehicle alt modes is awesome. Or even making humans afraid of their own emergency responders!
I made a custom combiner for my friend with that exact theme.
The main unit is a firetruck... literally.
Re: Top 5 Best Firetruck Transformers Toys (2013029)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on March 2nd, 2019 @ 4:32pm CST
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on March 2nd, 2019 @ 4:32pm CST
OBJECTION!
Artfire >>> Inferno. He fixed up those little pieces that Inferno needed, so I would technically use MP-37 Artfire instead of Inferno for #1.
The PotP Inferno is a pretty swell mold too, that one would rank pretty high for me. It's a really fun mold that also makes a great combiner torso.
I don't have Universe Inferno, but I have Grapple, and he is pretty swell! He would probably rank above the PotP/CW mold, but it's a close race for me
Artfire >>> Inferno. He fixed up those little pieces that Inferno needed, so I would technically use MP-37 Artfire instead of Inferno for #1.
The PotP Inferno is a pretty swell mold too, that one would rank pretty high for me. It's a really fun mold that also makes a great combiner torso.
I don't have Universe Inferno, but I have Grapple, and he is pretty swell! He would probably rank above the PotP/CW mold, but it's a close race for me
Re: Top 5 Best Firetruck Transformers Toys (2013040)
Posted by Rodimus Prime on March 2nd, 2019 @ 6:37pm CST
Posted by Rodimus Prime on March 2nd, 2019 @ 6:37pm CST
I will rank Fire Convoy and Galaxy Convoy above MP Inferno every time. As good as DoTM Sentinel is in robot mode, his transformation is annoying so he's at #4. For me, the 5th spot goes to the CW/PotP voyager fire truck mold in general, regardless of which character (even Onslaught, who's not a fire truck) uses it. My personal favorite is Megaempress, because of the color scheme.
Re: Top 5 Best Firetruck Transformers Toys (2013044)
Posted by Epsilon Delta on March 2nd, 2019 @ 7:02pm CST
Posted by Epsilon Delta on March 2nd, 2019 @ 7:02pm CST
Cybertron Prime is one of my favorite Transformers ever. Just so many things to do with him. Super mode, combinations, fire power, and even his small Prime robot is so much fun. His firetruck is funky, but I will always be grateful for the joke the cartoon made about it.
I have a special fondness for Sentinel Prime because I work at Palo Verde Nuclear Generating Station and we actually have one of the real firetrucks from the movie (we even got to keep the Autobot emblem on it). I really want to add him to my collection.
I also think Combiner Wars inferno deserves an honorable mention. It's a really great looking toy, both firetruck and robot. Also his Combiner mode is nice too. But I think he really shines in his scorpion mode. Haha
I have a special fondness for Sentinel Prime because I work at Palo Verde Nuclear Generating Station and we actually have one of the real firetrucks from the movie (we even got to keep the Autobot emblem on it). I really want to add him to my collection.
I also think Combiner Wars inferno deserves an honorable mention. It's a really great looking toy, both firetruck and robot. Also his Combiner mode is nice too. But I think he really shines in his scorpion mode. Haha
Re: Top 5 Best Firetruck Transformers Toys (2013045)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on March 2nd, 2019 @ 7:04pm CST
Man, that is pretty damn SWEET!
Posted by -Kanrabat- on March 2nd, 2019 @ 7:04pm CST
Epsilon Delta wrote:dat fire truck dot jpeg
Man, that is pretty damn SWEET!
Re: Top 5 Best Firetruck Transformers Toys (2013046)
Posted by Ironhidensh on March 2nd, 2019 @ 7:08pm CST
Posted by Ironhidensh on March 2nd, 2019 @ 7:08pm CST
I'm sorry Will, I love ya kid, but the failure to put Super Fire Convoy in the number one spot is simply unforgivable. 
I will agree with others that MP Inferno should be removed and replaced with MP Artfire.
I will agree with others that MP Inferno should be removed and replaced with MP Artfire.
Re: Top 5 Best Firetruck Transformers Toys (2013047)
Posted by Epsilon Delta on March 2nd, 2019 @ 7:09pm CST
The water cannon on the top can actually cut through a van. It's pretty impressive. If it actually transformed it wouldn't even need weapons because that thing would cut down Decepticons... Or Autobots. I'm still salty about them turning him into a bad guy. I don't want to talk about. Still too soon.
Posted by Epsilon Delta on March 2nd, 2019 @ 7:09pm CST
-Kanrabat- wrote:Epsilon Delta wrote:dat fire truck dot jpeg
Man, that is pretty damn SWEET!
The water cannon on the top can actually cut through a van. It's pretty impressive. If it actually transformed it wouldn't even need weapons because that thing would cut down Decepticons... Or Autobots. I'm still salty about them turning him into a bad guy. I don't want to talk about. Still too soon.
Re: Top 5 Best Firetruck Transformers Toys (2013050)
Posted by Giant Purple Griffin on March 2nd, 2019 @ 7:31pm CST
Posted by Giant Purple Griffin on March 2nd, 2019 @ 7:31pm CST
Technically, that Universe Inferno is neo-G2. Just saying' 
Re: Top 5 Best Firetruck Transformers Toys (2013062)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on March 2nd, 2019 @ 9:23pm CST
Now this is pretty darn special!
I too am still salty about that Sentinel twist. That's pretty much why i sold of my voyager Sentinel, not very good and the character irks me. One of only 2 figures I have ever sold too
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on March 2nd, 2019 @ 9:23pm CST
Epsilon Delta wrote:Cybertron Prime is one of my favorite Transformers ever. Just so many things to do with him. Super mode, combinations, fire power, and even his small Prime robot is so much fun. His firetruck is funky, but I will always be grateful for the joke the cartoon made about it.
I have a special fondness for Sentinel Prime because I work at Palo Verde Nuclear Generating Station and we actually have one of the real firetrucks from the movie (we even got to keep the Autobot emblem on it). I really want to add him to my collection.
I also think Combiner Wars inferno deserves an honorable mention. It's a really great looking toy, both firetruck and robot. Also his Combiner mode is nice too. But I think he really shines in his scorpion mode. Haha
Now this is pretty darn special!
I too am still salty about that Sentinel twist. That's pretty much why i sold of my voyager Sentinel, not very good and the character irks me. One of only 2 figures I have ever sold too
Re: Top 5 Best Firetruck Transformers Toys (2013081)
Posted by Epsilon Delta on March 2nd, 2019 @ 11:57pm CST
I don't know the whole truth of the matter, but when Optimus offered the Matrix and Sentinel didn't take it, to me that just shows there was a different movie in the works. Sentinel was supposed to be a good guy and they got Leonard Nimoy to voice him, and who in the world would believe Nimoy would voice an evil Transformer? (Wink wink) Ah you got me venting. I need to go find him so I can add him to my collection and pretend he was a good guy that sacrificed himself to save Optimus and there was no twist of him being a bad guy.
Posted by Epsilon Delta on March 2nd, 2019 @ 11:57pm CST
D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Epsilon Delta wrote:Cybertron Prime is one of my favorite Transformers ever. Just so many things to do with him. Super mode, combinations, fire power, and even his small Prime robot is so much fun. His firetruck is funky, but I will always be grateful for the joke the cartoon made about it.
I have a special fondness for Sentinel Prime because I work at Palo Verde Nuclear Generating Station and we actually have one of the real firetrucks from the movie (we even got to keep the Autobot emblem on it). I really want to add him to my collection.
I also think Combiner Wars inferno deserves an honorable mention. It's a really great looking toy, both firetruck and robot. Also his Combiner mode is nice too. But I think he really shines in his scorpion mode. Haha
Now this is pretty darn special!
I too am still salty about that Sentinel twist. That's pretty much why i sold of my voyager Sentinel, not very good and the character irks me. One of only 2 figures I have ever sold too
I don't know the whole truth of the matter, but when Optimus offered the Matrix and Sentinel didn't take it, to me that just shows there was a different movie in the works. Sentinel was supposed to be a good guy and they got Leonard Nimoy to voice him, and who in the world would believe Nimoy would voice an evil Transformer? (Wink wink) Ah you got me venting. I need to go find him so I can add him to my collection and pretend he was a good guy that sacrificed himself to save Optimus and there was no twist of him being a bad guy.
Re: Top 5 Best Firetruck Transformers Toys (2013086)
Posted by Carnivius_Prime on March 3rd, 2019 @ 4:04am CST
Not true. I think all the Studio Series Leaders have been great (with the possible exception of Grimlock who I sold and got the improved black mamba version instead). I certainly think Blackout and Jetfire are superb figures with great robot and alt-modes. I wasn't keen on the Leader sized Sentinel Prime. Mainly because it was just too large. The voyager suited me better but hoping a SS version gets made sometime that takes the best bits of both.
Not really keen on any of these fire truck TFs. Never liked the RID design at all (and the smaller bot is possibly my least fave uncombined Optimus figure design of all time. I detest it) I've had that Cybertron Optimus for a lil while from car boot sales in various forms but I really didn't like it's design and found the transformation boring. I briefly had G1 Inferno and he was a decent toy in the 80s but I don't care for the characters bot design (though it at least looked better than some of this later toys which cut his more unique characteristics and resulted in a far blander robot such as that nasty looking Universe Inferno up there).
Posted by Carnivius_Prime on March 3rd, 2019 @ 4:04am CST
william-james88 wrote:The engineering is masterful and this is the last great movie leader we got with its imposing size and complexity.
Not true. I think all the Studio Series Leaders have been great (with the possible exception of Grimlock who I sold and got the improved black mamba version instead). I certainly think Blackout and Jetfire are superb figures with great robot and alt-modes. I wasn't keen on the Leader sized Sentinel Prime. Mainly because it was just too large. The voyager suited me better but hoping a SS version gets made sometime that takes the best bits of both.
Not really keen on any of these fire truck TFs. Never liked the RID design at all (and the smaller bot is possibly my least fave uncombined Optimus figure design of all time. I detest it) I've had that Cybertron Optimus for a lil while from car boot sales in various forms but I really didn't like it's design and found the transformation boring. I briefly had G1 Inferno and he was a decent toy in the 80s but I don't care for the characters bot design (though it at least looked better than some of this later toys which cut his more unique characteristics and resulted in a far blander robot such as that nasty looking Universe Inferno up there).
Re: Top 5 Best Firetruck Transformers Toys (2013091)
Posted by Toizarus on March 3rd, 2019 @ 5:55am CST
Posted by Toizarus on March 3rd, 2019 @ 5:55am CST
Something I've noticed about a lot of these "best of" lists - Masterpieces usually win them. Isn't that a bit unfair considering they cost many times more than their retail counterparts? It's getting so the only surprises/discussion points are in the runners-up because if there's a Masterpiece figure involved it'll usually take the top slot.
Re: Top 5 Best Firetruck Transformers Toys (2013092)
Posted by Evil Eye on March 3rd, 2019 @ 6:03am CST
Oh my, that is cool.
On topic: I agree wholeheartedly with this list, and was very pleased to see Smolder on here too. He's such a fun little toy, and I wouldn't mind a TF Select retool of CW First Aid into him. Plus it's so rare to see an emergency vehicle Decepticon that isn't Barricade.
Whilst I don't own them and thus can't in good conscience recommend them, I will say that G1 Hot Spot and Energon Inferno are a pair of fire engine TFs I'm rather fond of, at least aesthetically. Hot Spot is a good old fashioned G1 chunk with nice proportions, lovely colours and detailing and forms the torso of IMO one of the best looking G1 combiners, whilst Inferno is from what I've seen one of the better Energon Autobots, with actual articulation and a pretty neat design covered in interesting detail and sculptwork.
Also, as a side note: Am I the only one who actually prefers Optimus Prime as a fire engine than as a regular truck? It seems more "heroic" somehow- plus fire engines are just really, really cool.
Posted by Evil Eye on March 3rd, 2019 @ 6:03am CST
Epsilon Delta wrote:Cybertron Prime is one of my favorite Transformers ever. Just so many things to do with him. Super mode, combinations, fire power, and even his small Prime robot is so much fun. His firetruck is funky, but I will always be grateful for the joke the cartoon made about it.
I have a special fondness for Sentinel Prime because I work at Palo Verde Nuclear Generating Station and we actually have one of the real firetrucks from the movie (we even got to keep the Autobot emblem on it). I really want to add him to my collection.
I also think Combiner Wars inferno deserves an honorable mention. It's a really great looking toy, both firetruck and robot. Also his Combiner mode is nice too. But I think he really shines in his scorpion mode. Haha
Oh my, that is cool.
On topic: I agree wholeheartedly with this list, and was very pleased to see Smolder on here too. He's such a fun little toy, and I wouldn't mind a TF Select retool of CW First Aid into him. Plus it's so rare to see an emergency vehicle Decepticon that isn't Barricade.
Whilst I don't own them and thus can't in good conscience recommend them, I will say that G1 Hot Spot and Energon Inferno are a pair of fire engine TFs I'm rather fond of, at least aesthetically. Hot Spot is a good old fashioned G1 chunk with nice proportions, lovely colours and detailing and forms the torso of IMO one of the best looking G1 combiners, whilst Inferno is from what I've seen one of the better Energon Autobots, with actual articulation and a pretty neat design covered in interesting detail and sculptwork.
Also, as a side note: Am I the only one who actually prefers Optimus Prime as a fire engine than as a regular truck? It seems more "heroic" somehow- plus fire engines are just really, really cool.
Re: Top 5 Best Firetruck Transformers Toys (2013096)
Posted by Emerje on March 3rd, 2019 @ 7:01am CST
I love a good firetruck! My dad used to a be a small town volunteer fire chief when I was a kid so I have a lot of memories being around the trucks and playing with the backpack water tanks. I've got a ton of firetruck Transformers and my favorites just happen to be the same five in the list, but my list is a little different:
5) Sentinel Prime
4) Universe Inferno et al
3) Cybertron Optimus Prime
2) MP Inferno/Artfire
1) RID Optimus Prime/Fire Convoy
Honorable mention to Titanium RID Optimus Prime because that figure is amazing and under rated (if you can ignore the lower legs being hollow. They should revisit this figure's transformation for another truck figure because it's unlike anything else we've ever seen, just add another side to the leg boxes and it would be perfection!
Emerje
Posted by Emerje on March 3rd, 2019 @ 7:01am CST
I love a good firetruck! My dad used to a be a small town volunteer fire chief when I was a kid so I have a lot of memories being around the trucks and playing with the backpack water tanks. I've got a ton of firetruck Transformers and my favorites just happen to be the same five in the list, but my list is a little different:
5) Sentinel Prime
4) Universe Inferno et al
3) Cybertron Optimus Prime
2) MP Inferno/Artfire
1) RID Optimus Prime/Fire Convoy
Honorable mention to Titanium RID Optimus Prime because that figure is amazing and under rated (if you can ignore the lower legs being hollow. They should revisit this figure's transformation for another truck figure because it's unlike anything else we've ever seen, just add another side to the leg boxes and it would be perfection!
Emerje
Re: Top 5 Best Firetruck Transformers Toys (2013097)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on March 3rd, 2019 @ 7:26am CST
Posted by -Kanrabat- on March 3rd, 2019 @ 7:26am CST
Having gotten rid of my RID Fire Convoy, I'd really want that Titanium version for my collection. Look very good and will be more displayable because of his smaller size.
Re: Top 5 Best Firetruck Transformers Toys (2013101)
Posted by blackeyedprime on March 3rd, 2019 @ 8:37am CST
Posted by blackeyedprime on March 3rd, 2019 @ 8:37am CST
I dont really think of Galaxy Convoy as a fire truck and the THS hybrid Galaxy was a nicer version over the original toy, G1 Inferno would be in the list as a replacement.
Re: Top 5 Best Firetruck Transformers Toys (2013187)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on March 3rd, 2019 @ 12:54pm CST
You get a valid point here.
Let me add that (at least for me) a overlong and overcomplicated transformation take points away from a "best" transformers toy. Especially if there is involved steps with over fragile parts that can break off.
Still, we cannot exclude "expensive toys" from the list. Because even normal mainline transformers can become rare and expensive collectibles over time.
Posted by -Kanrabat- on March 3rd, 2019 @ 12:54pm CST
Toizarus wrote:Something I've noticed about a lot of these "best of" lists - Masterpieces usually win them. Isn't that a bit unfair considering they cost many times more than their retail counterparts? It's getting so the only surprises/discussion points are in the runners-up because if there's a Masterpiece figure involved it'll usually take the top slot.
You get a valid point here.
Let me add that (at least for me) a overlong and overcomplicated transformation take points away from a "best" transformers toy. Especially if there is involved steps with over fragile parts that can break off.
Still, we cannot exclude "expensive toys" from the list. Because even normal mainline transformers can become rare and expensive collectibles over time.
Re: Top 5 Best Firetruck Transformers Toys (2013194)
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on March 3rd, 2019 @ 1:10pm CST
Masterpieces do have the (somewhat unfair) advantage of a bigger budget per figure (which is probably what the OP was going for), but that isn't usually for the better given complexity overload and amount of moving parts. On the flipside, some toys can be just too easy: it's all about hitting a sweet spot in the middle.
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on March 3rd, 2019 @ 1:10pm CST
-Kanrabat- wrote:Toizarus wrote:Something I've noticed about a lot of these "best of" lists - Masterpieces usually win them. Isn't that a bit unfair considering they cost many times more than their retail counterparts? It's getting so the only surprises/discussion points are in the runners-up because if there's a Masterpiece figure involved it'll usually take the top slot.
You get a valid point here.
Let me add that (at least for me) a overlong and overcomplicated transformation take points away from a "best" transformers toy. Especially if there is involved steps with over fragile parts that can break off.
Still, we cannot exclude "expensive toys" from the list. Because even normal mainline transformers can become rare and expensive collectibles over time.
Masterpieces do have the (somewhat unfair) advantage of a bigger budget per figure (which is probably what the OP was going for), but that isn't usually for the better given complexity overload and amount of moving parts. On the flipside, some toys can be just too easy: it's all about hitting a sweet spot in the middle.
Re: Top 5 Best Firetruck Transformers Toys (2013203)
Posted by william-james88 on March 3rd, 2019 @ 2:19pm CST
Wouldnt it be more unfair to arbitrarily disqualify toys from being on the list? The discussion for firetrucks is pretty cool actually with about half half on the idea that MP Inferno/Artfire should be number 1 or not. So there is definitely a discussion to be had. Also, MPs are retail toys, so I don't really see where the cut off would be or how it would make sense. And like you said, its not all the time. MPs were not number 1 for neither the ravage or magnus or best seeker molds list. It will happen again.
I never said they werent. All I said was that we used to get big imposing leaders that were also complex and you just proved me right in saying that we no longer get toys like that.
I like G1 Hotspot too. If we were looking at just G1 firetrucks, I would have probably piked him. I just really like the alt mode.
MP Artfire is great, but I really liked being able to use Seibertron's own words for the number 1, there was this great enthusiasm he had towards the figure. Everything said goes to Artfire of course, so I changed it slightly to include both. In any case, its really the mold we are talking about in most cases. There is also the idea that I liked including real life versions of the trucks when I could and red worked better to convey that for this mold.
About CW Hotspot, my favourite part of Hotspot is him (and inferno) as a Torso and that transformation. The part I like least of all is the actual firetruck mode. I think it looks far too anorexic as far as firetrucks go. I do like all the headsculpts for that mold though but since it being a firetruck is kinda important to this list, every other toy I could think of was more deserving of a (hot)spot
Thanks for the kind words, its always appreciated!
Luckily, MP Inferno doesnt have that. He feels really good to transform and I love that leg transformation. Its also very close to the G1 transformation so there is a nice sense of chunky familiarity to it while still having nice surprises and steps, like all that ladder magic.
Thanks for the reply since it shows that MPs dont automatically win for everyone, nor should they. And you arent the only one to say Super Fire Convoy is better than MP Inferno. I don't think so though. While he looks good, I don't find him fun to transform and he does have visible head syndrome. It is a nice head though.
Dude, thats awesome, thanks for sharing!
Posted by william-james88 on March 3rd, 2019 @ 2:19pm CST
Toisarus wrote:Something I've noticed about a lot of these "best of" lists - Masterpieces usually win them. Isn't that a bit unfair considering they cost many times more than their retail counterparts? It's getting so the only surprises/discussion points are in the runners-up because if there's a Masterpiece figure involved it'll usually take the top slot.
Wouldnt it be more unfair to arbitrarily disqualify toys from being on the list? The discussion for firetrucks is pretty cool actually with about half half on the idea that MP Inferno/Artfire should be number 1 or not. So there is definitely a discussion to be had. Also, MPs are retail toys, so I don't really see where the cut off would be or how it would make sense. And like you said, its not all the time. MPs were not number 1 for neither the ravage or magnus or best seeker molds list. It will happen again.
Carnivius_Prime wrote:william-james88 wrote:The engineering is masterful and this is the last great movie leader we got with its imposing size and complexity.
Not true. I think all the Studio Series Leaders have been great (with the possible exception of Grimlock who I sold and got the improved black mamba version instead). I certainly think Blackout and Jetfire are superb figures with great robot and alt-modes.
I never said they werent. All I said was that we used to get big imposing leaders that were also complex and you just proved me right in saying that we no longer get toys like that.
Black Hat wrote:Whilst I don't own them and thus can't in good conscience recommend them, I will say that G1 Hot Spot and Energon Inferno are a pair of fire engine TFs I'm rather fond of, at least aesthetically. Hot Spot is a good old fashioned G1 chunk with nice proportions, lovely colours and detailing and forms the torso of IMO one of the best looking G1 combiners, whilst Inferno is from what I've seen one of the better Energon Autobots, with actual articulation and a pretty neat design covered in interesting detail and sculptwork.
I like G1 Hotspot too. If we were looking at just G1 firetrucks, I would have probably piked him. I just really like the alt mode.
Nathaniel Prime wrote:I have to agree with all your choices. MP Inferno is a great figure, and MP Artfire just takes that greatness through the roof with that wicked deco.
One thing I would like to mention; would you consider CW Hot Spot/POTP Inferno as an honorable mention?
MP Artfire is great, but I really liked being able to use Seibertron's own words for the number 1, there was this great enthusiasm he had towards the figure. Everything said goes to Artfire of course, so I changed it slightly to include both. In any case, its really the mold we are talking about in most cases. There is also the idea that I liked including real life versions of the trucks when I could and red worked better to convey that for this mold.
About CW Hotspot, my favourite part of Hotspot is him (and inferno) as a Torso and that transformation. The part I like least of all is the actual firetruck mode. I think it looks far too anorexic as far as firetrucks go. I do like all the headsculpts for that mold though but since it being a firetruck is kinda important to this list, every other toy I could think of was more deserving of a (hot)spot
Thanks for the kind words, its always appreciated!
-Kanrabat- wrote:Let me add that (at least for me) a overlong and overcomplicated transformation take points away from a "best" transformers toy. Especially if there is involved steps with over fragile parts that can break off.
Luckily, MP Inferno doesnt have that. He feels really good to transform and I love that leg transformation. Its also very close to the G1 transformation so there is a nice sense of chunky familiarity to it while still having nice surprises and steps, like all that ladder magic.
Ironhidensh wrote:I'm sorry Will, I love ya kid, but the failure to put Super Fire Convoy in the number one spot is simply unforgivable.
Thanks for the reply since it shows that MPs dont automatically win for everyone, nor should they. And you arent the only one to say Super Fire Convoy is better than MP Inferno. I don't think so though. While he looks good, I don't find him fun to transform and he does have visible head syndrome. It is a nice head though.
Epsilon Delta wrote:I have a special fondness for Sentinel Prime because I work at Palo Verde Nuclear Generating Station and we actually have one of the real firetrucks from the movie (we even got to keep the Autobot emblem on it). I really want to add him to my collection.
Dude, thats awesome, thanks for sharing!
Re: Top 5 Best Firetruck Transformers Toys (2013297)
Posted by RK_Striker_JK_5 on March 4th, 2019 @ 7:42am CST
Posted by RK_Striker_JK_5 on March 4th, 2019 @ 7:42am CST
I'd rank Cybertron Prime higher and RID 2000 Prime lower. RID 2000's super mode is a bit unstable for me, although that's probably due to age catching up with it. But even with that, it's still top-heavy and frustrating to pose.
Re: Top 5 Best Firetruck Transformers Toys (2013315)
Posted by cruizerdave on March 4th, 2019 @ 10:42am CST
Posted by cruizerdave on March 4th, 2019 @ 10:42am CST
Eh, that Masterpiece toy shows exactly where that line has gone wrong IMOHO — prioritizing cartoon accuracy above detail and finish quality. Honestly, I think the G1 Inferno is better looking in both modes than the masterpiece, even if it is a brick.
The Universe Inferno mold is indeed a great figure, and often under-rated.
The Universe Inferno mold is indeed a great figure, and often under-rated.
Re: Top 5 Best Firetruck Transformers Toys (2013317)
Posted by cruizerdave on March 4th, 2019 @ 10:50am CST
Ha, ha! You guys are trying to make sense out of a Bayformers movie!
Posted by cruizerdave on March 4th, 2019 @ 10:50am CST
Epsilon Delta wrote:D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Epsilon Delta wrote:Cybertron Prime is one of my favorite Transformers ever. Just so many things to do with him. Super mode, combinations, fire power, and even his small Prime robot is so much fun. His firetruck is funky, but I will always be grateful for the joke the cartoon made about it.
I have a special fondness for Sentinel Prime because I work at Palo Verde Nuclear Generating Station and we actually have one of the real firetrucks from the movie (we even got to keep the Autobot emblem on it). I really want to add him to my collection.
I also think Combiner Wars inferno deserves an honorable mention. It's a really great looking toy, both firetruck and robot. Also his Combiner mode is nice too. But I think he really shines in his scorpion mode. Haha
Now this is pretty darn special!
I too am still salty about that Sentinel twist. That's pretty much why i sold of my voyager Sentinel, not very good and the character irks me. One of only 2 figures I have ever sold too
I don't know the whole truth of the matter, but when Optimus offered the Matrix and Sentinel didn't take it, to me that just shows there was a different movie in the works. Sentinel was supposed to be a good guy and they got Leonard Nimoy to voice him, and who in the world would believe Nimoy would voice an evil Transformer? (Wink wink) Ah you got me venting. I need to go find him so I can add him to my collection and pretend he was a good guy that sacrificed himself to save Optimus and there was no twist of him being a bad guy.
Ha, ha! You guys are trying to make sense out of a Bayformers movie!
Re: Top 5 Best Firetruck Transformers Toys (2013347)
Posted by william-james88 on March 4th, 2019 @ 2:28pm CST
At least with MP Inferno we had the option of how toon accurate we wanted it with the different fronts. And unlike Sunstreaker, Bee and Prime every part of the chest was the same kibble we see in alt mode. It could have had more finish, I cant argue that, but it still had a lot going for it in terms of it being a toy everyone could enjoy with elements of both the toon and a real life vehicle.
Posted by william-james88 on March 4th, 2019 @ 2:28pm CST
cruizerdave wrote:Eh, that Masterpiece toy shows exactly where that line has gone wrong IMOHO — prioritizing cartoon accuracy above detail and finish quality. Honestly, I think the G1 Inferno is better looking in both modes than the masterpiece, even if it is a brick.
The Universe Inferno mold is indeed a great figure, and often under-rated.
At least with MP Inferno we had the option of how toon accurate we wanted it with the different fronts. And unlike Sunstreaker, Bee and Prime every part of the chest was the same kibble we see in alt mode. It could have had more finish, I cant argue that, but it still had a lot going for it in terms of it being a toy everyone could enjoy with elements of both the toon and a real life vehicle.
Re: Top 5 Best Firetruck Transformers Toys (2013435)
Posted by Ultra Markus on March 5th, 2019 @ 1:35am CST
Posted by Ultra Markus on March 5th, 2019 @ 1:35am CST
no honerable mention for hosehead or hotspot?
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Posted by ZeldaTheSwordsman on June 10th, 2019 @ 11:19am CDT
It's perfectly possible to make sense of them, aside from some stupid choices made in Bungledbee.
The way I see it, Sentinel Prime's refusal of the Matrix is a combination of guilt and not knowing what's going on. He doesn't realize that the secret deal and plan he made with Megatron are still on until Sam unwittingly clues him in during the chase.
And why exactly are people so salty over him turning out to be an "ends justify the means" extremist sort of villain? It's hardly unprecedented for Sentinel Primes. IDW (2005-2018) Sentinel Prime was the same way only worse, and without any sign he was once a good bot. Animated Sentinel Prime has that mentality (though to a lesser degree) as acting Magnus, mixed with being a bungler, manchild, and overall jerk.
Posted by ZeldaTheSwordsman on June 10th, 2019 @ 11:19am CDT
cruizerdave wrote:Epsilon Delta wrote:D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Epsilon Delta wrote:Cybertron Prime is one of my favorite Transformers ever. Just so many things to do with him. Super mode, combinations, fire power, and even his small Prime robot is so much fun. His firetruck is funky, but I will always be grateful for the joke the cartoon made about it.
I have a special fondness for Sentinel Prime because I work at Palo Verde Nuclear Generating Station and we actually have one of the real firetrucks from the movie (we even got to keep the Autobot emblem on it). I really want to add him to my collection.
I also think Combiner Wars inferno deserves an honorable mention. It's a really great looking toy, both firetruck and robot. Also his Combiner mode is nice too. But I think he really shines in his scorpion mode. Haha
Now this is pretty darn special!
I too am still salty about that Sentinel twist. That's pretty much why i sold of my voyager Sentinel, not very good and the character irks me. One of only 2 figures I have ever sold too
I don't know the whole truth of the matter, but when Optimus offered the Matrix and Sentinel didn't take it, to me that just shows there was a different movie in the works. Sentinel was supposed to be a good guy and they got Leonard Nimoy to voice him, and who in the world would believe Nimoy would voice an evil Transformer? (Wink wink) Ah you got me venting. I need to go find him so I can add him to my collection and pretend he was a good guy that sacrificed himself to save Optimus and there was no twist of him being a bad guy.
Ha, ha! You guys are trying to make sense out of a Bayformers movie!
It's perfectly possible to make sense of them, aside from some stupid choices made in Bungledbee.
The way I see it, Sentinel Prime's refusal of the Matrix is a combination of guilt and not knowing what's going on. He doesn't realize that the secret deal and plan he made with Megatron are still on until Sam unwittingly clues him in during the chase.
And why exactly are people so salty over him turning out to be an "ends justify the means" extremist sort of villain? It's hardly unprecedented for Sentinel Primes. IDW (2005-2018) Sentinel Prime was the same way only worse, and without any sign he was once a good bot. Animated Sentinel Prime has that mentality (though to a lesser degree) as acting Magnus, mixed with being a bungler, manchild, and overall jerk.
Re: Top 5 Best Firetruck Transformers Toys (2028590)
Posted by Optimum Supreme on July 12th, 2019 @ 8:38pm CDT
Posted by Optimum Supreme on July 12th, 2019 @ 8:38pm CDT
I'd bump RiD Prime to #1 for personal reasons (literally got me back into the series after about a decade away!) but I also just freaking love its design regardless. Add in that he has regular, super, and Omega Prime modes and the thing had the kid in me freaking out. 
I'd also give Cybertron Prime extra points for the absurdity of being able to turn into a FLYING fire engine!
I'd also take out the MP mold and elevate Smolder to the regular list, if only so the cons get some representation (no, Sentinel doesn't really count for that!)
I'd take Sentinel out anyway, nothing against it, just I don't have a lick of experience with the full sized mamma jamma, just one of the smaller cyberverse versions, Anyway, I'd put either g1 Hot Spot or TR Hot Spot in there. g1, I appreciated that he incorporated Defensor's head right into the toy, so unlike most Scramble Cityers you couldn't lose it, TR of course has 30 years or so of improved engineering on his side but none of them had losable heads that time around.
I'd probably put Energon Inferno in as a honorable mention, too. Good figure, but some nitpicky flaws keep him from doing better.
I'd also give Cybertron Prime extra points for the absurdity of being able to turn into a FLYING fire engine!
I'd also take out the MP mold and elevate Smolder to the regular list, if only so the cons get some representation (no, Sentinel doesn't really count for that!)
I'd take Sentinel out anyway, nothing against it, just I don't have a lick of experience with the full sized mamma jamma, just one of the smaller cyberverse versions, Anyway, I'd put either g1 Hot Spot or TR Hot Spot in there. g1, I appreciated that he incorporated Defensor's head right into the toy, so unlike most Scramble Cityers you couldn't lose it, TR of course has 30 years or so of improved engineering on his side but none of them had losable heads that time around.
I'd probably put Energon Inferno in as a honorable mention, too. Good figure, but some nitpicky flaws keep him from doing better.
Re: Top 5 Best Firetruck Transformers Toys (2028599)
Posted by ZeldaTheSwordsman on July 12th, 2019 @ 8:59pm CDT
Posted by ZeldaTheSwordsman on July 12th, 2019 @ 8:59pm CDT
But is there one that can teach you the difference between Titans Return and Combiner Wars? 
Also. the integrated combiner heads in Combiner Wars were a burden on everybody who didn't use the Hot Spot/Onslaught mold. The Silverbolt mold suffered the worst for it.
Taking Leader-class Sentinel Prime out just because you have no experience with him seems a bit dodgy.
Also. the integrated combiner heads in Combiner Wars were a burden on everybody who didn't use the Hot Spot/Onslaught mold. The Silverbolt mold suffered the worst for it.
Taking Leader-class Sentinel Prime out just because you have no experience with him seems a bit dodgy.
Re: Top 5 Best Firetruck Transformers Toys (2028600)
Posted by william-james88 on July 12th, 2019 @ 9:04pm CDT
I read it as him making his own list using mine as a starter point.
I am very curious about what you mean with the burden about intergrating combiner heads. Sounds interesting but I dont see the burden, I thought the silverbolt mode was the best of the torsos.
Posted by william-james88 on July 12th, 2019 @ 9:04pm CDT
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:But is there one that can teach you the difference between Titans Return and Combiner Wars?
Also. the integrated combiner heads in Combiner Wars were a burden on everybody who didn't use the Hot Spot/Onslaught mold. The Silverbolt mold suffered the worst for it.
Taking Leader-class Sentinel Prime out just because you have no experience with him seems a bit dodgy.
I read it as him making his own list using mine as a starter point.
I am very curious about what you mean with the burden about intergrating combiner heads. Sounds interesting but I dont see the burden, I thought the silverbolt mode was the best of the torsos.
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Posted by ZeldaTheSwordsman on July 12th, 2019 @ 9:40pm CDT
Well, Silverbolt's torso mode may be the best once he's actually in it, but there's that matter of how the head can break off when trying to get him there. You know, that thing that was kind of a much-noted issue with CW Silverbolt? That would be why I said it hit him the worst.
Also, integrating the combiner heads limited how big they could be and Superion and Menasor have somewhat dinky heads as a result. The integrated heads (and the integrated kibble in general) also burden the other modes, since it means that the space the head is stashed in can't be used for anything else and the armor becomes clutter.
Posted by ZeldaTheSwordsman on July 12th, 2019 @ 9:40pm CDT
william-james88 wrote:ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:But is there one that can teach you the difference between Titans Return and Combiner Wars?
Also. the integrated combiner heads in Combiner Wars were a burden on everybody who didn't use the Hot Spot/Onslaught mold. The Silverbolt mold suffered the worst for it.
Taking Leader-class Sentinel Prime out just because you have no experience with him seems a bit dodgy.
I read it as him making his own list using mine as a starter point.
I am very curious about what you mean with the burden about intergrating combiner heads. Sounds interesting but I dont see the burden, I thought the silverbolt mode was the best of the torsos.
Well, Silverbolt's torso mode may be the best once he's actually in it, but there's that matter of how the head can break off when trying to get him there. You know, that thing that was kind of a much-noted issue with CW Silverbolt? That would be why I said it hit him the worst.
Also, integrating the combiner heads limited how big they could be and Superion and Menasor have somewhat dinky heads as a result. The integrated heads (and the integrated kibble in general) also burden the other modes, since it means that the space the head is stashed in can't be used for anything else and the armor becomes clutter.
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Posted by william-james88 on July 12th, 2019 @ 9:53pm CDT
Honestly, I dont remember that being a big issue affecting multiple copies, unlike something like MP BW Meg's crotch. Still sucks for those it happened to of course.
Posted by william-james88 on July 12th, 2019 @ 9:53pm CDT
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote: there's that matter of how the head can break off when trying to get him there. You know, that thing that was kind of a much-noted issue with CW Silverbolt? That would be why I said it hit him the worst.
Honestly, I dont remember that being a big issue affecting multiple copies, unlike something like MP BW Meg's crotch. Still sucks for those it happened to of course.
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Posted by Ironhidensh on July 13th, 2019 @ 5:23am CDT
Yeah, first I've heard of this as well. I consider Silverbolt one of the best (regular line) figures in the last 30 years.
Posted by Ironhidensh on July 13th, 2019 @ 5:23am CDT
william-james88 wrote:ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote: there's that matter of how the head can break off when trying to get him there. You know, that thing that was kind of a much-noted issue with CW Silverbolt? That would be why I said it hit him the worst.
Honestly, I dont remember that being a big issue affecting multiple copies, unlike something like MP BW Meg's crotch. Still sucks for those it happened to of course.
Yeah, first I've heard of this as well. I consider Silverbolt one of the best (regular line) figures in the last 30 years.
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Posted by Evil Eye on July 13th, 2019 @ 7:18am CDT
Posted by Evil Eye on July 13th, 2019 @ 7:18am CDT
Yeah, honestly the Silverbolt mold is pretty top-tier IMO. Great robot mode, nice combined mode and about as good a vehicle mode as a gestalt torso is ever going to get from something as flat and thin as a Concorde. The best use of the mold IMO being Scattershot, where the chunky alt mode works even better.
To be honest, the problems of CW largely came from not having enough mass/budget in the first place along with a bit of a lack of refinement, rather than any side effects of integrated combiner bits. Certainly I didn't see any issues with head size. The biggest downfall with the torsos came from the hips due to the ratchets just not being man enough for the job sometimes, or in the case of Menasor and Volcanicus just being really badly designed.
To be honest, the problems of CW largely came from not having enough mass/budget in the first place along with a bit of a lack of refinement, rather than any side effects of integrated combiner bits. Certainly I didn't see any issues with head size. The biggest downfall with the torsos came from the hips due to the ratchets just not being man enough for the job sometimes, or in the case of Menasor and Volcanicus just being really badly designed.
