Titus Welliver Seen on Set of Transformers 4

Deadline is reporting that actor Titus Welliver has officially joined the cast of "Transformers 4". We previously reported that he had been sighted on set while during the filming in central Texas. No details regarding his role have been released at the moment.

I don't even know who that guy is.
So, were there this many humans announced for DOTM pre-film?
Because I don't remember.

Transformers: Age of Extinction's Titus Welliver recently spoke to Nerdist about the upcoming film. According to Welliver this film is much darker than the previous trilogy and "not a kids movie". The full interview can be found by clicking here.

How was it for the actor, best known for his roles on The Good Wife and Argo, stepping into the huge Transformers summer movie franchise? “I’ve now won the hard earned respect of my children because I’m in a Transformers film, and I’ve always wanted to work with Michael Bay and certainly Mark Wahlberg and Kelsey Grammer.” And what can fans look forward to in this installment? “It’s a bit more of a darker vision of the Transformers world… It’s not a kids movie, I’ll tell you that much.”

makes sense they'd have a line of toys aimed at young children then.

If this movie is not a kids movie why are they marketing the toys to 4-10 year olds

Interesting article but it will take someone like Cuaron or Nolan to make anyone over the age of 11 take these movies seriously. Or maybe J.J. Abrahms, he did a bang-up job with another slightly hokey sci-fi property (no offence to any Trekkers intended )

Banjo-Tron wrote:Interesting article but it will take someone like Cuaron or Nolan to make anyone over the age of 11 take these movies seriously. Or maybe J.J. Abrahms, he did a bang-up job with another slightly hokey sci-fi property (no offence to any Trekkers intended )

I take these movies seriously and I'm older than 11.

SlyTF1 wrote:

Banjo-Tron wrote:Interesting article but it will take someone like Cuaron or Nolan to make anyone over the age of 11 take these movies seriously. Or maybe J.J. Abrahms, he did a bang-up job with another slightly hokey sci-fi property (no offence to any Trekkers intended )

I take these movies seriously and I'm older than 11.

Sorry, no offence intended

Think about DOTM for a second...was that really a kids movie either? How many children nowadays knew of the Space Race, Chernobyl, Commander Buzz Aldrin, and even Kennedy for that matter unless 10 or older. The historical significance, fictitious or not, and the very dark story line made for a much less family friendly picture. I truly hope this one is much darker and from the scenes with Lockdown possibly torturing Prime/the truly menacing look of the dinobots...this one looks to be just that. I wouldn't take my 6 year old niece to see this movie. I would think hard about taking anyone under the age of 10 to see this thing...just my opinion.

~reluctantyouth~

not a kids movie?

hey, thanks for the huge info, captain obvious! by the looks of the teaser we got in the superbowl, we couldn't have guessed that by ourselves!

the franchise has been dark ever since ROTF hit the theatres!

and the title.. Age of Extinction... its not a huge hint that this movie wont be a kids movie...

eh...

that is good to here finally transformers is becoming bolder as oter pg13 movies batman trilogy, jurrasic park, alien vs predator, after earth showed old sister half face when will smith son was dreaming floating down river, deep blue sea,.

let it have move action destruction some scary moments litte kids will get nightmares off of when dinobots awaken

What I want to know is when the live-action films were not dark.

Not a kids movie, huh? Good thing they thought to add robot dinosaurs, then.

I don't believe this for a second. Neither Bay or Hasbro is going to allow sex or drugs, and I don't see how the violence can be any worse than Prime ripping a Decepticon's head in half or any other robot on robot violence.

I'm likely more conservative in my views on what is and isn't appropriate for children than some, but I don't define any of the Transformers movies as being "kid's movies."

I might even think of AOE as more of a kid's movie if it's darker in the vein of more robot violence and a weightier, more meaningful story, with less crude humor and painfully written human interactions.

AutoBorst wrote:...Neither Bay or Hasbro is going to allow sex or drugs...

So what was with the butt/cleavage shots in all three films, and then we had Wheelie the Humping Autobot?

Mindmaster wrote:

AutoBorst wrote:...Neither Bay or Hasbro is going to allow sex or drugs...

So what was with the butt/cleavage shots in all three films, and then we had Wheelie the Humping Autobot?

And in RoTF Sam's parents outright talked about brownies "baked with reefer in it" and showed Sam's mom actually consuming it and then acting like a total idiot afterwards.

I guess the toy designers didn't get the memo

Wow, if the previous movies were aimed at kids, then I'm scared to see what they'll have in store. (Revenge of the Fallen. Starring: Wrecking Balls, Black Stereotypes, Humping Robot, and introducing, Chevrolet.)

Godzillabot-2 wrote:Wow, if the previous movies were aimed at kids, then I'm scared to see what they'll have in store. (Revenge of the Fallen. Starring: Wrecking Balls, Black Stereotypes, Humping Robot, and introducing, Chevrolet.)

What else could they do if AOE really is worse?

On the juvenile and outrageous side of things, if AOE went any further, it would turn into an audacious and badly-written comedy, not an action film.

Even on the squicky, gory side of things, they've already shown Sam getting all sorts of miniature Decepticon tech forcefully inserted into him in ROTF and DOTM, and we've had Soundwave and his minions hunting down and killing multiple people in DOTM, and those scenes, if not explicit, were quite disturbing and left just enough to the imagination.

Other than mindless and openly shown murder of civilians by Decepticons, I really wonder how AOE could be much darker or more adult-oriented without turning it into a badly done horror or black comedy film.

Flakmaster wrote:

Godzillabot-2 wrote:Wow, if the previous movies were aimed at kids, then I'm scared to see what they'll have in store. (Revenge of the Fallen. Starring: Wrecking Balls, Black Stereotypes, Humping Robot, and introducing, Chevrolet.)

What else could they do if AOE really is worse?

On the juvenile and outrageous side of things, if AOE went any further, it would turn into an audacious and badly-written comedy, not an action film.

Even on the squicky, gory side of things, they've already shown Sam getting all sorts of miniature Decepticon tech forcefully inserted into him in ROTF and DOTM, and we've had Soundwave and his minions hunting down and killing multiple people in DOTM, and those scenes, if not explicit, were quite disturbing and left just enough to the imagination.

Other than mindless and openly shown murder of civilians by Decepticons, I really wonder how AOE could be much darker or more adult-oriented without turning it into a badly done horror or black comedy film.

Decepticons torturing and killing humans brutally. Maybe just random dudes getting squished by Decepticons. That'd be nice.

SlyTF1 wrote:Maybe just random dudes getting squished by Decepticons.

Would the CGI rendering of Michael Bay being flicked by Megatron in the first film count for this?

Mindmaster wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote:Maybe just random dudes getting squished by Decepticons.

Would the CGI rendering of Michael Bay being flicked by Megatron in the first film count for this?

I mean something like with a quick shot of blood shooting from under the Decepticon's foot (with super shaky cam or something) and crunchy sounds; something more violent than just civilians vanishing into a pile of ash like in DOTM.

Were the other films ever really kids movies? I don't think so. They were quite violent if I recall.

And I'm sick of hearing the whole "Mudflap and Skids are racist" crap. You must first associate their personalities with one specific race in order to say they are racist. They're green and orange for Primus' sake.

I know it's something I'll never get, however I want a hard R Transformers movie

SW's SilverHammer wrote:I know it's something I'll never get, however I want a hard R Transformers movie

Hell yes. That would be the most amazing thing ever.

OptiMagnus wrote:Were the other films ever really kids movies? I don't think so. They were quite violent if I recall.

And I'm sick of hearing the whole "Mudflap and Skids are racist" crap. You must first associate their personalities with one specific race in order to say they are racist. They're green and orange for Primus' sake.

Also, this. They're more like wannabe gangsters like most kids now a days.

do we need any more proof that hasbro has no clue what they are doing? The movie is targeted towards an older crowed but the toy line is targeted towards kids. Granted none of the movies have really been kid movies but they werent so bad that youd cover your kids eyes & ears when it came on. And i thought selling kids toys based on an adult targeted movie or show was a no no these days, or does that just go for R rated movies?

SlyTF1 wrote:

SW's SilverHammer wrote:I know it's something I'll never get, however I want a hard R Transformers movie

Hell yes. That would be the most amazing thing ever.

OptiMagnus wrote:Were the other films ever really kids movies? I don't think so. They were quite violent if I recall.

And I'm sick of hearing the whole "Mudflap and Skids are racist" crap. You must first associate their personalities with one specific race in order to say they are racist. They're green and orange for Primus' sake.

Also, this. They're more like wannabe gangsters like most kids now a days.

Hell yes to the R rated version and also, yes they were just like wannabes: laughable and utterly stupid.

I think what a lot of folks are forgetting (or some of the younger ones may not have experienced) is that us "old-timers" grew up with not only the Transformers cartoons but also shows like Star Blazers and Robotech. You haven't seen saturday morning violence until you've seen Roy Fokker and Rick Hunter pump several hundred rounds of ammo into Zentradi Battle Pods and watch the pods start spilling blood as their pilots crawled out the hatch and died. We saw pilots dies violently in Star Blazers as well and I'm not talking about this GI Joe Cartoon, shoot a plane and the pilot parachutes to safety bullsh**, I'm talking fly into the camera and full on blow up with no ejections.
Yeah, back in '07 I previewed the live action film first before taking my kids to it. Hell, I caught the midnight showing with their mother then drug the kids out to catch the following 8:30 a.m. showing. If parents aren't smart enough to do some research first then I say go ahead and let them emotionally scar the little bastards if that's at all humanly possible anymore. I seriously doubt it is if any of them let the kids watch the evening news. If they are blatantly dumb enough to take a 5 year old to see something like this though, they'll regret it in 13 years when they see the Therapists bill. That's their problem though, not ours.

Seriously? This is something that really has to be spelled out? "Not a kids movie"? NO SLAGGING DUH! When have these movies EVER been seen as "kids movies"? In fact, when has there ever been ANY PG-13 movie that was meant to be a kids movie? Isn't the whole point of a film being made to be PG-13 that it appeals to the 13 and up crowd? That's not kids, that's teenagers. Anyone thinking that the first three were children's films are fooling themselves.

SlyTF1 wrote:

SW's SilverHammer wrote:I know it's something I'll never get, however I want a hard R Transformers movie

Hell yes. That would be the most amazing thing ever.

Sure because what this brand totally needs is more doses of drugs/language/sex/violence. That'll get the toys selling.

Sabrblade wrote:Seriously? This is something that really has to be spelled out? "Not a kids movie"? NO SLAGGING DUH! When have these movies EVER been seen as "kids movies"? In fact, when has there ever been ANY PG-13 movie that was meant to be a kids movie? Isn't the whole point of a film being made to be PG-13 that it appeals to the 13 and up crowd? That's not kids, that's teenagers. Anyone thinking that the first three were children's films are fooling themselves.

Stop making so much sense! Don't you know this goes against the sacred practices of the fandom?

Sabrblade wrote:Seriously? This is something that really has to be spelled out? "Not a kids movie"? NO SLAGGING DUH! When have these movies EVER been seen as "kids movies"? In fact, when has there ever been ANY PG-13 movie that was meant to be a kids movie? Isn't the whole point of a film being made to be PG-13 that it appeals to the 13 and up crowd? That's not kids, that's teenagers. Anyone thinking that the first three were children's films are fooling themselves.

SlyTF1 wrote:

SW's SilverHammer wrote:I know it's something I'll never get, however I want a hard R Transformers movie

Hell yes. That would be the most amazing thing ever.

Sure because what this brand totally needs is more doses of drugs/language/sex/violence. That'll get the toys selling.

Most of that, no. But I would like to see more... realistic portrayal of what the Autobot/Decepticon war would look like if brought to Earth. I think they've been pretty realistic so far, but I just want to see a straight up R rated TF movie. Especially one where the Cybertronians are the ones with some kinds of mental scaring and whatnot. Thousands of years fighting a war, you should be pretty screwed up. At least, I'd assume so.

SlyTF1 wrote:Most of that, no. But I would like to see more... realistic portrayal of what the Autobot/Decepticon war would look like if brought to Earth. I think they've been pretty realistic so far, but I just want to see a straight up R rated TF movie. Especially one where the Cybertronians are the ones with some kinds of mental scaring and whatnot. Thousands of years fighting a war, you should be pretty screwed up. At least, I'd assume so.

None of what you are wanting is going to give us an R-rated TF movie. The only things that are going to bump up the rating are the stuff that I listed: More sex, more F-bombs, more drug content, etc. because it's that stuff that helps determine film ratings.

Look at Disney's recent Saving Mr. Banks movie, for example. That film was rated PG-13, but was vastly more tame than any of the TF movies. And yet, it is a film that I would be very hesitant to take any child to see. Not because of any of the questionable content that scored it a PG-13 rating, but because of how mature it is. And I don't mean that in today's use of the word "mature", but in its most literal use in that it's written for adult-minded audiences. And, again, I don't mean "adult" by today's meaning, but by it's literally meaning of "grown ups".

What I'm trying to get at is, I wouldn't take a child to go see that movie because, even though it's a mostly child friendly film, it's not a film for kids. And I mean that in that a child likely wouldn't be able really get into the movie because it's simply too intelligent a movie to be for children. There's so much highbrow, so much emotional and inner character analytical stuff put into it that a child would need to have so much explained to them in order to fully appreciate it.

That is the kind of movie that you seem to want the TF movies to be like, in which there are TF characters with deep, complex exploration and thorough character analyses. Mental scarring and war trauma fits that description very well, but no matter how much of that one would put into a movie, unless it involves violence/drugs/sex/swearing, it won't bump it up to an R-rating. Meaning that to get the content you truly desire, asking for an R-rating isn't the way to go about it.

But with the film staff as it currently is, viewing the TFs as only special effects instead of three-dimensional characters like they think of the lead humans, we're likely not ever gonna get that good stuff with them since the humans currently are, have been, and will remain the stars of these movies for the foreseeable future.

Sabrblade wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote:Most of that, no. But I would like to see more... realistic portrayal of what the Autobot/Decepticon war would look like if brought to Earth. I think they've been pretty realistic so far, but I just want to see a straight up R rated TF movie. Especially one where the Cybertronians are the ones with some kinds of mental scaring and whatnot. Thousands of years fighting a war, you should be pretty screwed up. At least, I'd assume so.

None of what you are wanting is going to give us an R-rated TF movie. The only things that are going to bump up the rating are the stuff that I listed: More sex, more F-bombs, more drug content, etc. because it's that stuff that helps determine film ratings.

Look at Disney's recent Saving Mr. Banks movie, for example. That film was rated PG-13, but was vastly more tame than any of the TF movies. And yet, it is a film that I would be very hesitant to take any child to see. Not because of any of the questionable content that scored it a PG-13 rating, but because of how mature it is. And I don't mean that in today's use of the word "mature", but in its most literal use in that it's written for adult-minded audiences. And, again, I don't mean "adult" by today's meaning, but by it's literally meaning of "grown ups".

What I'm trying to get at is, I wouldn't take a child to go see that movie because, even though it's a mostly child friendly film, it's not a film for kids. And I mean that in that a child likely wouldn't be able really get into the movie because it's simply too intelligent a movie to be for children. There's so much highbrow, so much emotional and inner character analytical stuff put into it that a child would need to have so much explained to them in order to fully appreciate it.

That is the kind of movie that you seem to want the TF movies to be like, in which there are TF characters with deep, complex exploration and thorough character analyses. Mental scarring and war trauma fits that description very well, but no matter how much of that one would put into a movie, unless it involves violence/drugs/sex/swearing, it won't bump it up to an R-rating. Meaning that to get the content you truly desire, asking for an R-rating isn't the way to go about it.

But with the film staff as it currently is, viewing the TFs as only special effects instead of three-dimensional characters like they think of the lead humans, we're likely not ever gonna get that good stuff with them since the humans currently are, have been, and will remain the stars of these movies for the foreseeable future.

More violence towards humans would give it an R rating. And that's mostly what I meant when I said more "realistic."

SlyTF1 wrote:More violence towards humans would give it an R rating. And that's mostly what I meant when I said more "realistic."

Any worse than what DOTM did with that and you'd have to have all of humanity wiped out, and that's certainly not going to happen since that would jeopardize one of the things that these movies are trying to accomplish.

Sabrblade wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote:More violence towards humans would give it an R rating. And that's mostly what I meant when I said more "realistic."

Any worse than what DOTM did with that and you'd have to have all of humanity wiped out, and that's certainly not going to happen since that would jeopardize one of the things that these movies are trying to accomplish.

Humans aren't limited to running and being shot. If a race of sentient alien beings came to Earth in the form of two factions, I'm sure at least one country would want to side with the Decepticons, because they would see it as the most prudent way to deal with them. Just submit and do as they say. While, I'm guessing most countries, would side with the Autobots. There would undoubtedly be war between the human nations. Along with the war between Autobots and Decepticons. I know this will never happen in a movie, but I'm almost certain that it would happen in the real world. The Decepticons would probably just go about destroying the world by having us destroy ourselves, then go ahead and take care of the remaining Autobots.

Revenge of the Fallen: "This movie will have a darker tone than the first."

Dark of The Moon: "We've gone overboard with the jokes, this time it'll be more serious and even darker."

Age of Extinction:"This is not a kid's movie".

Yeah...right.

Banjo-Tron wrote:Interesting article but it will take someone like Cuaron or Nolan to make anyone over the age of 11 take these movies seriously. Or maybe J.J. Abrahms, he did a bang-up job with another slightly hokey sci-fi property (no offence to any Trekkers intended )

wow,

The internet, full of opinions

SlyTF1 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote:More violence towards humans would give it an R rating. And that's mostly what I meant when I said more "realistic."

Any worse than what DOTM did with that and you'd have to have all of humanity wiped out, and that's certainly not going to happen since that would jeopardize one of the things that these movies are trying to accomplish.

Humans aren't limited to running and being shot. If a race of sentient alien beings came to Earth in the form of two factions, I'm sure at least one country would want to side with the Decepticons, because they would see it as the most prudent way to deal with them. Just submit and do as they say. While, I'm guessing most countries, would side with the Autobots. There would undoubtedly be war between the human nations. Along with the war between Autobots and Decepticons. I know this will never happen in a movie, but I'm almost certain that it would happen in the real world. The Decepticons would probably just go about destroying the world by having us destroy ourselves, then go ahead and take care of the remaining Autobots.

To the Decepticons, humans are fodder. Whether or not a country wanted to side with the Cons in the war, the Cons wouldn't treat them as allies or even equals. They would be treated as slaves and pawns to be exploited, and no human wants that.

You may think submission would be beneficial, but the Cons don't care about us and would gladly kill us all once are meager usefulness is over. Especially in the Movies, in which most of the Decepticons were portrayed as monstrous savages.

SlyTF1 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote:While, I'm guessing most countries, would side with the Autobots.

That's what I don't get, Autobots are a small squad of bots with Optimus always being the strongest.

Decepticons can call in backup like crazy.

Back in the G1 day, middle eastern countries sided with the Decepticons right?

noctorro wrote:Back in the G1 day, middle eastern countries sided with the Decepticons right?

Twice, but neither case was ideal.

The first time was because the Cons were offered the country's oil fields in exchange for helping to create some plane drones, but the Cons turned their backs on the country when the oil fields got set ablaze by the Autobots. The whole ordeal was very cartoonish anyway.

The second time, it was all due to Octane bribing Abdul Fakkadi with gold and monuments to let him and Trypticon use Carbombya's oil to make energon cubes, and all this was done behind Galvatron's back, who was outraged at the idea of Decepticons working with humans by this point and just flat out took over the nation instead.

Sabrblade wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote:More violence towards humans would give it an R rating. And that's mostly what I meant when I said more "realistic."

Any worse than what DOTM did with that and you'd have to have all of humanity wiped out, and that's certainly not going to happen since that would jeopardize one of the things that these movies are trying to accomplish.

Humans aren't limited to running and being shot. If a race of sentient alien beings came to Earth in the form of two factions, I'm sure at least one country would want to side with the Decepticons, because they would see it as the most prudent way to deal with them. Just submit and do as they say. While, I'm guessing most countries, would side with the Autobots. There would undoubtedly be war between the human nations. Along with the war between Autobots and Decepticons. I know this will never happen in a movie, but I'm almost certain that it would happen in the real world. The Decepticons would probably just go about destroying the world by having us destroy ourselves, then go ahead and take care of the remaining Autobots.

To the Decepticons, humans are fodder. Whether or not a country wanted to side with the Cons in the war, the Cons wouldn't treat them as allies or even equals. They would be treated as slaves and pawns to be exploited, and no human wants that.

You may think submission would be beneficial, but the Cons don't care about us and would gladly kill us all once are meager usefulness is over. Especially in the Movies, in which most of the Decepticons were portrayed as monstrous savages.

I'm not talking about the movies that have been established. I mean, it's what I would want in a rated R TF movie. Decepticons who use humans to their advantage. They can wipe them all out when they're done with them, but for their time on Earth, it would be likely they would receive aid from humans, since the Autbots always seem to benefit from human involvement.

Kind of old news...*cough* giant Devastator balls, humping robots *cough*.

Sabrblade wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote:More violence towards humans would give it an R rating. And that's mostly what I meant when I said more "realistic."

Any worse than what DOTM did with that and you'd have to have all of humanity wiped out, and that's certainly not going to happen since that would jeopardize one of the things that these movies are trying to accomplish.

Just my two cents' worth, but I think the real problem here isn't so much the scale of human deaths as much as the lack of graphic depiction. I'm not sure if that's what Sly meant, but I do think if soldiers were shown being killed in a more graphic way (instantly charred by plasma bolts, losing limbs, etc.) the movie would definitely be bumped up to R.

Of course, unless the filming of AoE no longer requires any logistics or other forms of support by the US military, that's unlikely to happen.

And since it's filmed in China, they've probably also got representatives from the People's Liberation Army (aka Chinese military) to worry about.

noctorro wrote:

Banjo-Tron wrote:Interesting article but it will take someone like Cuaron or Nolan to make anyone over the age of 11 take these movies seriously. Or maybe J.J. Abrahms, he did a bang-up job with another slightly hokey sci-fi property (no offence to any Trekkers intended )

wow,

The internet, full of opinions

Better to have one than just juxtapose someone elses for comedic effect, right?
Anyway, you have conveniently omitted my subsequent apology because I guess it didn't suit your agenda. Let me clarify. It would be good to see a director/creative visionary at the helm (delete as applicable) who didn't get a boner by salaciously filming parts of young womens anatomies close up, relied on puerile jokes and explosions to string his otherwise incomprehensible action shots together.

Michael Bay makes the movies I would have made with my mates at 12. I blame him. Another director like the ones I mentioned before could actually garner critical acclaim for The Transformers but probably at the expense of kids and the toyline. I guess after reading and watching TF fiction over the past nigh-on 30 years, I would like to see this side of the brand mature, and escape the shackles of hocking plastic to make something to be really proud of. The comics don't talk down to their audience, why should the films?

SlyTF1 wrote:I'm not talking about the movies that have been established. I mean, it's what I would want in a rated R TF movie. Decepticons who use humans to their advantage. They can wipe them all out when they're done with them, but for their time on Earth, it would be likely they would receive aid from humans, since the Autbots always seem to benefit from human involvement.

That's because the Autobots are trustworthy and cooperative enough to want to work with humanity. They strive for peace and harmony, so it's only natural that they would benefit from human involvement.

The Decepticons, however, see humans as nothing more than maggots and worms, as worthless as the scum on their feet. No matter how useful any humans may attempt to make them seem to the Cons, the Decepticons don't give two cents about humans and scoff at the idea of relying on puny fleshlings for aid.

The most good they see in humanity is, as I said before, slave labor and pawns to be exploited, and there is no way on Earth that any human would willingly give up themselves to be the Decepticons' fodder, especially knowing that there'd be nothing rewarding for them in the end, with death their only fate.

All those cartoons and comics that have Decepticons work together with humans usually depicted them in ways that were so far from being realistic and believable that several of them were just laughable. You're wanting realism, but a realistic portrayal isn't going to have humans and Decepticons on good terms with one another simply because of the very nature of the Decepticons putting them above such cooperation.

And even if there were to be a film with a Decepticon/human alliance, that concept in and of itself would not grant the film an R-rating because, as I said, that concept isn't crude enough. A film isn't rated based on how sophisticated and deep it is, but on how dirty and obscene it is.

So unless a human/Decepticon alliance were to have Decepticons having onscreen sex with humans or something, it wouldn't reach passed a PG-13 rating, which just goes to show how ludicrous it is to want an R-rating for a film to be taken seriously.

I mean, look at the original Star Wars trilogy. Those films are all well liked and treated with respect and serious admiration by the general masses and yet they're only PG, not even PG-13. And more recent examples being the Marvel Cinematic Universe and the Dark Knight Trilogy films, all of which are only PG-13 and still garner much acclaim and serious-mindedness. Likewise for Transformers, an R-rating is hardly warranted and would be counterintuitive to the more positive, good nature of the brand.

Good directors can make all the difference, the Dark Knight trilogy being a case in point, after the utterly awful batman and Robin. Bay got 3 Transformers movies, 3 more than he deserved. Quite why he was bought back for a 4th is beyond me. If you really want a reboot (soft or otherwise), change the damn director.

Below is Bay's rotten tomatoes profile:
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/celebrity/michael_bay/

And the profiles of the 3 I think could turn the franchise around so it could garner some critical acclaim rather than just sell toys:
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/celebrity/alfonso_cuaron/
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/celebrity ... her_nolan/
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/celebrity/jeffrey_abrams/

Can any one of you, hand on heart, really say that Bay is a better option than these guys, or indeed pretty much any other director?

Sabrblade wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote:I'm not talking about the movies that have been established. I mean, it's what I would want in a rated R TF movie. Decepticons who use humans to their advantage. They can wipe them all out when they're done with them, but for their time on Earth, it would be likely they would receive aid from humans, since the Autbots always seem to benefit from human involvement.

That's because the Autobots are trustworthy and cooperative enough to want to work with humanity. They strive for peace and harmony, so it's only natural that they would benefit from human involvement.

The Decepticons, however, see humans as nothing more than maggots and worms, as worthless as the scum on their feet. No matter how useful any humans may attempt to make them seem to the Cons, the Decepticons don't give two cents about humans and scoff at the idea of relying on puny fleshlings for aid.

The most good they see in humanity is, as I said before, slave labor and pawns to be exploited, and there is no way on Earth that any human would willingly give up themselves to be the Decepticons' fodder, especially knowing that there'd be nothing rewarding for them in the end, with death their only fate.

All those cartoons and comics that have Decepticons work together with humans usually depicted them in ways that were so far from being realistic and believable that several of them were just laughable. You're wanting realism, but a realistic portrayal isn't going to have humans and Decepticons on good terms with one another simply because of the very nature of the Decepticons putting them above such cooperation.

And even if there were to be a film with a Decepticon/human alliance, that concept in and of itself would not grant the film an R-rating because, as I said, that concept isn't crude enough. A film isn't rated based on how sophisticated and deep it is, but on how dirty and obscene it is.

So unless a human/Decepticon alliance were to have Decepticons having onscreen sex with humans or something, it wouldn't reach passed a PG-13 rating, which just goes to show how ludicrous it is to want an R-rating for a film to be taken seriously.

I mean, look at the original Star Wars trilogy. Those films are all well liked and treated with respect and serious admiration by the general masses and yet they're only PG, not even PG-13. And more recent examples being the Marvel Cinematic Universe and the Dark Knight Trilogy films, all of which are only PG-13 and still garner much acclaim and serious-mindedness. Likewise for Transformers, an R-rating is hardly warranted and would be counterintuitive to the more positive, good nature of the brand.

In regards to the R rating: human army vs human army = graphic human violence. There definitely is possible for the violence to be not graphic, but if the movie were to be an R rating, it would be.

Banjo-Tron wrote:Good directors can make all the difference, the Dark Knight trilogy being a case in point, after the utterly awful batman and Robin. Bay got 3 Transformers movies, 3 more than he deserved. Quite why he was bought back for a 4th is beyond me. If you really want a reboot (soft or otherwise), change the damn director.

Below is Bay's rotten tomatoes profile:
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/celebrity/michael_bay/

And the profiles of the 3 I think could turn the franchise around so it could garner some critical acclaim rather than just sell toys:
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/celebrity/alfonso_cuaron/
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/celebrity ... her_nolan/
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/celebrity/jeffrey_abrams/

Can any one of you, hand on heart, really say that Bay is a better option than these guys, or indeed pretty much any other director?

I can. Never heard of the first guy. Christopher Nolan is too boring for Transformers. And I bet Abrams wouldn't have as many explosions as Bay, so that would probably piss me off.

SlyTF1 wrote:In regards to the R rating: human army vs human army = graphic human violence. There definitely is possible for the violence to be not graphic, but if the movie were to be an R rating, it would be.

...

..."Human army vs. human army"...

...in Transformers...



I think you're in the wrong brand, here.


Plus, as I said, no humans would willingly fight for the Decepticons knowing that they're just going to be killed either way.

Unless the Cons somehow managed to recruit the world's population of masochists all together; a task which would prove too costly and complex to sort out all of the puny fleshlings from one another, rather than the more enjoyable (to the Cons) method of simply disposing of them all in one go.

SlyTF1 wrote:Never heard of the first guy.

Ah well, reason enough to discount him then