Titans Return Deluxe Krok Review

Final review for this wave? Where were the others?

Bounti76 wrote:Final review for this wave? Where were the others?

They were all newsed a week or 2 ago:

http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/ ... ews/37087/
http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/ ... ide/37074/

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:

Bounti76 wrote:Final review for this wave? Where were the others?

They were all newsed a week or 2 ago:

http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/ ... ews/37087/
http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/ ... ide/37074/

Ah, thanks. Not sure how I missed those.

I would love to be a fly on the wall at Hasbro UK to try to find out where on Earth they went wrong with their Titans Returns distribution, I hope they allow retailer to re-order Wave 1 & 2 as they are just no where in stores.

Aside from some place like VERY getting a few Voyagers they barely seem to have come out at all. and Wave 1 Titanmasters seems to also barely come out too.

RAR wrote:I would love to be a fly on the wall at Hasbro UK to try to find out where on Earth they went wrong with their Titans Returns distribution, I hope they allow retailer to re-order Wave 1 & 2 as they are just no where in stores.

Aside from some place like VERY getting a few Voyagers they barely seem to have come out at all. and Wave 1 Titanmasters seems to also barely come out too.

I've actually seen a recent resurgence in wave 1 figures at ASDA

RAR wrote:I would love to be a fly on the wall at Hasbro UK to try to find out where on Earth they went wrong with their Titans Returns distribution, I hope they allow retailer to re-order Wave 1 & 2 as they are just no where in stores.

Aside from some place like VERY getting a few Voyagers they barely seem to have come out at all. and Wave 1 Titanmasters seems to also barely come out too.

But Hasbro UK doesnt handle that part, they just take the orders and have them ship out. The bad distribution part is on behalf of retailers alone. They order the toys and they put them on the shelves, that part is all up to them. The same situation happened in the US at the end of last year. Hasbro had delivered all their TR figures to retailers but it was retailers who did not put them on the shelves, so it looked like the only place stocking them was a pharmacy. So people moaned about how Hasbro could have such terrible distribution but in reality, Hasbro had no more toys to give, everything was sold out and retailers just didnt stock their shelves. And then they had too much in their wrehouses, so places like Target and Walmart reduced the price.

Its all on the retailer end. A fly on the wall o fHasbro UK would be bored senseless.

Stuartmaximus wrote:NOT HARD TO FIND AT ALL!!! try coming to the UK pal! he's harder to find here than anywhere else in the world

I'm always ready to assist. To any UK fan frustrated with not finding FM. I happen to have a spare one, MISB. Anyone who wants to straight up trade a Generations Metroplex MISB (which apparently was available in the UK according to other fans here) for FM, PM me, I'll even pay for the shipping.

Speaking of stuff coming out....have you seen how much Kapow is charging for Sky Shadow!

https://www.kapowtoys.co.uk/brand-new-t ... hadow.html

now...granted it's a preorder! but still! nearly £55 for a Leader Class fig, WHOLY F!!! not even bricks & mortar UK stores(TRU, Smyths Toys) would charge that!(it's usually around £45 for a leader class fig in those stores)

dunno how Kapow can justify their pricing?

Stuartmaximus wrote:Speaking of stuff coming out....have you seen how much Kapow is charging for Sky Shadow!

https://www.kapowtoys.co.uk/brand-new-t ... hadow.html

now...granted it's a preorder! but still! nearly £55 for a Leader Class fig, WHOLY F!!! not even bricks & mortar UK stores(TRU, Smyths Toys) would charge that!(it's usually around £45 for a leader class fig in those stores)

dunno how Kapow can justify their pricing?

Kapow's prices have generally been very high for Titans Return at first. The Voyagers are especially outrageous at £30.
They seem to all go down later, at least as individuals rather than wave packs.

That price is pretty nuts. Still cheaper than Takara's Ginrai

Jokes aside, Leaders cost about 40 pounds in Canada, is that the usual rate in the UK?

And could it be that they are charging more because he i shipped with another leader that was previously released and thus they have to raise their price on him to cover their losses?

william-james88 wrote:That price is pretty nuts. Still cheaper than Takara's Ginrai

Jokes aside, Leaders cost about 40 pounds in Canada, is that the usual rate in the UK?

And could it be that they are charging more because he i shipped with another leader that was previously released and thus they have to raise their price on him to cover their losses?

Leaders cost £45 at the least in the UK at retail. Kapow tends to have their prices a little higher at first, and there's no way they'd give a new leader with a second one for that insanely cheap.

Kurona wrote:

william-james88 wrote:That price is pretty nuts. Still cheaper than Takara's Ginrai

Jokes aside, Leaders cost about 40 pounds in Canada, is that the usual rate in the UK?

And could it be that they are charging more because he i shipped with another leader that was previously released and thus they have to raise their price on him to cover their losses?

Leaders cost £45 at the least in the UK at retail. Kapow tends to have their prices a little higher at first, and there's no way they'd give a new leader with a second one for that insanely cheap.

That is not what I meant. I meant that Hasbro is shipping Leaders 2 per box to retailers. And if only one of those leaders is the new Leader, Sky Shadow, then Kapow loses on the other older leader toy which will take longer to sell (and take up space). So to meet the demand of syshadow they would have to get a ton of the other undesired leader. And sicne they wont sell that leader, they have to up the price on skyshadow. Thats what BBTS does all the time. You were talking of charging 30 pounds for voyagers, BBTS did the same thing for Onslought last year since he was packaged with Scttershot, a voyager no one wanted. And then they did it again with Skylynx when he was packaged with Onslought.

But we dont know if Skyshadow is shipped alone from hasbro (so 2 skyshadow's per case) or not. If its not, then I undestand their price. I dont like it, but they might lose money otherwise.

Speaking of shipping Leaders Class...Does anyone know if Hasbro is shipping Soundwave 2 per case, or with another Leader? Since Soundwave *appears* to be pretty scarce still, I'm hoping later that Soundwave and Sixshot are just packaged together, whenever Sixshot comes out, so I can get them both hopefully at the same time. cant even think about Sky Shadow until I get the other two first.

o.supreme wrote:Speaking of shipping Leaders Class...Does anyone know if Hasbro is shipping Soundwave 2 per case, or with another Leader? Since Soundwave *appears* to be pretty scarce still, I'm hoping later that Soundwave and Sixshot are just packaged together, whenever Sixshot comes out, so I can get them both hopefully at the same time. cant even think about Sky Shadow until I get the other two first.

Soundwave showed up before Christmas at 2 per case. My local Walmart had either 2 or 3 fresh cases of it.

o.supreme wrote:Speaking of shipping Leaders Class...Does anyone know if Hasbro is shipping Soundwave 2 per case, or with another Leader? Since Soundwave *appears* to be pretty scarce still, I'm hoping later that Soundwave and Sixshot are just packaged together, whenever Sixshot comes out, so I can get them both hopefully at the same time. cant even think about Sky Shadow until I get the other two first.

One benefit of the UK; there are too many Soundwaves. My local TRU has 12 of them all stacked up, taking up the majority of the TF section.

So...the UK has Too Many Soundwaves, and almost no Fort Max's...nice... Well I would say I'd be willing to trade one Fort Max for four Soundwaves, but I only need one so...I guess I'll be patient and wait.

Counterpunch wrote:

o.supreme wrote:Speaking of shipping Leaders Class...Does anyone know if Hasbro is shipping Soundwave 2 per case, or with another Leader? Since Soundwave *appears* to be pretty scarce still, I'm hoping later that Soundwave and Sixshot are just packaged together, whenever Sixshot comes out, so I can get them both hopefully at the same time. cant even think about Sky Shadow until I get the other two first.

Soundwave showed up before Christmas at 2 per case. My local Walmart had either 2 or 3 fresh cases of it.

Entertainment Earth has Wave 2 as one SOundwave and one Optimus. That is the assortment currently at Walmart Canada:

http://www.entertainmentearth.com/prodi ... H_Of7cvfIU

Also, Sixshot is 2 sixshots per case.

william-james88 wrote:Also, Sixshot is 2 sixshots per case.

Twelveshot? Dozenshot?

So... Leader Boxes are shipped by Hasbro as:

Wave 1: Blaster & PM Prime
Wave 2: PM Prime & Soundwave
Wave 3: Sixshot and Sixshot....

makes...no...sense..., but whatever. I just looked on Targets website, they have a cool little tracker to see if any store has an item in stock. There is actually one Target near me (which my family refers to affectionately as "Ghetto Target", because of the area its located in. But they claim online to have a small stock of TR SW at $39.99. Wish me luck. I'm heading out in the rain now on my lunch break from work to see if it is true.

o.supreme wrote:So... Leader Boxes are shipped by Hasbro as:

Wave 1: Blaster & PM Prime
Wave 2: PM Prime & Soundwave
Wave 3: Sixshot and Sixshot....

I think there were 2 different case assortments for Wave 2. One with 2 soundwaves per case and another with prime and soundwave

o.supreme wrote:So... Leader Boxes are shipped by Hasbro as:

Wave 1: Blaster & PM Prime
Wave 2: PM Prime & Soundwave
Wave 3: Sixshot and Sixshot....

makes...no...sense..., but whatever. I just looked on Targets website, they have a cool little tracker to see if any store has an item in stock. There is actually one Target near me (which my family refers to affectionately as "Ghetto Target", because of the area its located in. But they claim online to have a small stock of TR SW at $39.99. Wish me luck. I'm heading out in the rain now on my lunch break from work to see if it is true.

Those are going to be Leader class figures, but chances are they won't be Soundwave. The website only checks the DPCI, which is a code for all Leader class figures. It doesn't know which ones they have.

I did some research, sky shadow comes 2 per case. So yeah, that price from Kapow makes absolutely no sense.

Oh and do you Brits know that Tesco is currently selling TR deluxe toys for 5 pounds?

RodimusConvoy13 wrote:Those are going to be Leader class figures, but chances are they won't be Soundwave. The website only checks the DPCI, which is a code for all Leader class figures. It doesn't know which ones they have.

So yeah...it was Skywarp, oh well, live and learn.

The best price I can find right now for Leader Soundwave anywhere is through Amazon Prime for $43.85 U.S.D.(Free shipping, no tax). That isn't terrible, still I guess I was spoiled by holiday sales and getting PM Prime & Blaster for about $35 each when it was all said and done.

william-james88 wrote:Oh and do you Brits know that Tesco is currently selling TR deluxe toys for 5 pounds?

About 1 in 100 Tescos do by the sounds of it. The only things I see at my Tescos are the occasional RID legend and activators. Not even a hint of TR.

william-james88 wrote:I did some research, sky shadow comes 2 per case. So yeah, that price from Kapow makes absolutely no sense.

Oh and do you Brits know that Tesco is currently selling TR deluxe toys for 5 pounds?

Makes perfect sense, it's the same price as all the other leaders they put up. This is just how it is here.

And I can't find any of those on their website.

I've not seen a single TESCO in 3 counties near me that even sell Titans Returns toys of any size - when I ask the staff they are as perplexed as I am as to why they are not being sent any toys as the customers keep asking them why that is on a constant basis and they have nothing aimed at anyone older than age 6 on their website either.

ASDA went from being reasonable for Transformers to forgetting the brand existed. RID is all most places ever get I NEVER see Titans Returns and I almost never see Rescue Bots except in some very rare exceptions.

EVERYWHERE got that big Optimus with wings & the Rescue Bots Fire station - but that isn't a great toy what with it being a Transformers branded product that doesn't have any transformation play in it all - not so much as even the motorcycle turning into an animal.

It's a shame really as the Rescue Bot Rescue Minicons are terrific and they should be wider distributed I feel. Especially as they are cross-compatible with RID Activators as well.

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I'm pretty sure UK TRU had Soundwave in the 2-per case type of assortment as I've not seen any Optimus for ages now so I hope he gets rotated back into a later wave as otherwise he's going to be just as rare as Combiner Wars Prime was (in either colour).

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RAR wrote:I've not seen a single TESCO in 3 counties near me that even sell Titans Returns toys of any size - when I ask the staff they are as perplexed as I am as to why they are not being sent any toys as the customers keep asking them why that is on a constant basis and they have nothing aimed at anyone older than age 6 on their website either.

ASDA went from being reasonable for Transformers to forgetting the brand existed. RID is all most places ever get I NEVER see Titans Returns and I almost never see Rescue Bots except in some very rare exceptions.

EVERYWHERE got that big Optimus with wings & the Rescue Bots Fire station - but that isn't a great toy what with it being a Transformers branded product that doesn't have any transformation play in it all - not so much as even the motorcycle turning into an animal.

It's a shame really as the Rescue Bot Rescue Minicons are terrific and they should be wider distributed I feel. Especially as they are cross-compatible with RID Activators as well.

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I'm pretty sure UK TRU had Soundwave in the 2-per case type of assortment as I've not seen any Optimus for ages now so I hope he gets rotated back into a later wave as otherwise he's going to be just as rare as Combiner Wars Prime was (in either colour).

Isn't this stuff that's better suited for the UK Sightings thread?

RodimusConvoy13 wrote:Isn't this stuff that's better suited for the UK Sightings thread?

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Sixshot is indeed two per box.

I did some backtracking through the rumors for the next wave, after painstakingly recording the product codes for the line (can anyone supply me the ones for the upcoming wave with Shuffler, Roadburn, Perceptor, Megatron and Sixshot?). These rumored figures already have codes assigned to them, so they're confirmed in my book:

Titan Master Class (B4697)
Optimus Prime (C2389)
Trizer (C2390)
Ramhorn (C2391)

Legends Class (B7771)
Autobot Cosmos (C2398)
Seaspray (C2390)

Voyager Class (B7769)
Octane/Tankor (C2396)
Blitzwing (C2397)

Leader Class (B7997)
Overlord/Powermaster Gigatron (C2388)

Ramhorn catches my special attention because as a Titan Master it may seem... odd at first. But those who have the Transformers: The Ark II book may remember the concept art for the Cybertron Master Warriors, like Sawback/Lione, Shuffler and Trizer. Supposedly there's an unused one for a rhino in there. Wouldn't it be neat if it was used for Ramhorn?

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Ramhorn catches my special attention because as a Titan Master it may seem... odd at first. But those who have the Transformers: The Ark II book may remember the concept art for the Cybertron Master Warriors, like Sawback/Lione, Shuffler and Trizer. Supposedly there's an unused one for a rhino in there. Wouldn't it be neat if it was used for Ramhorn?

I couldn't track down a rhino, but, these guys were in there:


Truth be told they could include one of the other humanoid (Kirk, Rodney, Loafer) with a generic animal partner or repainted vehicle. I mean Ramhorn could be their release of one of the humanoid ones. I seriously doubt it, but it's just an idea to float by.

In fact, what's to say that this Ramhorn is even at all related to the one we know? Considering the number of characters in this line that have received name-changes or even taken the names of other known characters, I honestly wouldn't say it's out of the ballpark for TR "Ramhorn" to indeed be entirely based on the rhino-Master, and just use cassette-Ramhorn's name since they have it (presumably; 'Ramhorn' seems to be more-or-less safely trademarked by Hasbro based on recent releases). That wouldn't be too far off from the situation with Lione/Sawback, except that this time the transplanted name would be from a character we're more familiar with.

Were that the case I'd be up for it, since that would mean that 1) We'd probably (maybe?) have better chances of receiving a proper cassette-bot-type update of G1 Ramhorn in the foreseeable future; and 2) I'd get to see what the unused Master Warrior concept actually looks like. I've found text references to it but no actual images, so now I'm really curious to actually see what the original design was, approximately at least.

EDIT: Ninja'd with images by Madeus! Out of the concepts pictured, Ramhorn could in fact be the buffalo. (Again, nothing to really say this one's a rhino except that previous Ramhorns have usually been so.) Though how they might do the horns if that is the case, I have no idea...

With what they've done with Lione, Shuffler, and probably Toraizer, the chances of Ramhorn being a head that turns directly into a rhino without the vehicle are pretty slim.

Emerje

Emerje wrote:With what they've done with Lione, Shuffler, and probably Toraizer, the chances of Ramhorn being a head that turns directly into a rhino without the vehicle are pretty slim.

Emerje

Did we ever say that? I don't think so, I said "used" as in as a basis, like Hasbro's done for Sawback and Shuffler.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Titan Master Class (B4697)
Optimus Prime (C2389)
Trizer (C2390)
Ramhorn (C2391)

Legends Class (B7771)
Autobot Cosmos (C2398)
Seaspray (C2390)

FYI - you have the same code for Trizer and Seaspray

TF-fan kev777 wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Titan Master Class (B4697)
Optimus Prime (C2389)
Trizer (C2390)
Ramhorn (C2391)

Legends Class (B7771)
Autobot Cosmos (C2398)
Seaspray (C2390)

FYI - you have the same code for Trizer and Seaspray

Oops: Seaspray is C2399. Also, I hate how Hasbro's codes are wave-dependent.

TF-fan kev777 wrote:FYI - you have the same code for Trizer and Seaspray

Thats becuse Seaspray is C2399 http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/ ... ter/36221/

I hope to see him at the next show in a month (gonna be a looooooong month).

Ok, so I played a bit (but not that much) wht Fort Max and have some feedback.



He's cool in robot mode and I appreciate the articulation on such a big figure as well as how good the robot mode looks.
And thats it for the positives, its all downhill from there. To me, a good Transformer toy means that the most important part must be the conversion and the metamorphosis that takes place. Because if all I wanted was a cool looking giant robot, I could get that from other outlets. And for a Transformer toy, this is very underwhelming. I knew the base mode would be ass in looks, but I wasnt ready for how limited the play value was. I never really looked at a review not to spoil the fun and it turns out there wasnt much fun to be had. The only feature you get in the base mode is the obvious compartment that opens which is used also as the "jail". Unless I missed something, the ramp doesnt do anything and doesnt connect anywhere. There is no projection of vehicles or secret passages, no parking in the feet, no elevator. And I really dont like the look of that base mode. I dont like how obvious the legs are with that skinnier white thigh section showing. It really looks like the robot lying down, there is nothing much to the conversion. And that central tower doesnt look right. It doesnt look like anything, with the robot arms exposed front and centre, it just looks like a mishmash and doesnt serve much purpose to the overall look. It doesnt add to it.

But I think the part I like least are those blue pieces that go on the back of the legs. I greatly dislike that cheap plastic. Its the same one used for Maximus Optimus, that cheap legion playset from the Prime line. I had to remove them to apply the stickers and removing them alone caused the tabs to get big white stress marks. And now they dont fit back in as well, and wobble when I touch them. Plus, the fact that he has that junk behind his legs means that the legs and feet are not flush against the ground, so it looks less like a fortress erected from the earth and more like a robot who fell. Another reason I dislike those blue pieces is because they exist to further add difference between this toy and Metroplex, but that just makes the seams so much more obvious. They feel like some cheap makeup applied to make it look different. They feel so apart, so tacked on, its a cheap illusion, that I simply couldnt fall for.

I am not very fond of this toy and I feel far more satisfied with the $200 I spent on the G1 version this year than the $100 I spent on this guy. I do look forward to seeing how I can integrate the base mode though, so I will get further enjoyment from this toy.

See for me, the whole set at $106 was worth it for Cerebros. The robot mode is cool for Fort Max, and that is how I keep him, so I'm good with that. Still not as impressive as it could have been though, we agree there

The best Fort Max has is the unofficial battle station.

That sword is way too big for Cerebros.

But is it too big for weirdwolf

Sigma Magnus wrote:That sword is way too big for Cerebros.

Yeah, Weirdwolf might have better luck!

But maybe if Cerebros swings that thing like a greatsword from Dark Souls it should work! Or he could just transform and use the Master Sword properly.

bodrock wrote:

Sigma Magnus wrote:That sword is way too big for Cerebros.

Yeah, Weirdwolf might have better luck!

But maybe if Cerebros swings that thing like a greatsword from Dark Souls it should work! Or he could just transform and use the Master Sword properly.

I'm not going to lie: when I saw that picture, it looks so badass! I thought it was given some work to add some really swish battle details.

And then I realized that's a cat in front of Fort Max adding the swooshing flair that made it look so awesome. And that made it even better since that cat positioned himself perfectly

When I saw the PE sword for the first time, my immediate thought was "Not getting a titan but I want to give that thing to a Voyager for the sheer ridiculous and amazing factor"

Kurona wrote:When I saw the PE sword for the first time, my immediate thought was "Not getting a titan but I want to give that thing to a Voyager for the sheer ridiculous and amazing factor"

Yeah, I felt the same way. I kinda want a second one so I can have one for Fort Max and one for Warden.

bodrock wrote:

Don't ya just love feline photobombs?

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:

bodrock wrote:

Sigma Magnus wrote:That sword is way too big for Cerebros.

Yeah, Weirdwolf might have better luck!

But maybe if Cerebros swings that thing like a greatsword from Dark Souls it should work! Or he could just transform and use the Master Sword properly.

I'm not going to lie: when I saw that picture, it looks so badass! I thought it was given some work to add some really swish battle details.

And then I realized that's a cat in front of Fort Max adding the swooshing flair that made it look so awesome. And that made it even better since that cat positioned himself perfectly

Thanks D-Maximus! My cat Lasagna there definitely photo-bombed us perfectly.

As many of us have mentioned, FM's only cool mode is as a bot - and I've had plenty of fun messing around with him.

bodrock wrote:

Sigma Magnus wrote:That sword is way too big for Cerebros.

Yeah, Weirdwolf might have better luck!

But maybe if Cerebros swings that thing like a greatsword from Dark Souls it should work! Or he could just transform and use the Master Sword properly.

Thats an awesome image! Really smart with the filter, its perfect!

And yeah the battle station is ok but there still arent any features and you end up losing all those titan master connection points. Anyways, I had some fun with the bases, there are actually 5 connection points for bases with FortMax. 2 in the back, 2 on the sides of the runways and one with the compartment opening. I might news this to show the different configurations possible with the leaders out now.

Sigma Magnus wrote:That sword is way too big for Cerebros.

Erm....the sword does come apart y'know? so he can use a small section of it

Stuartmaximus wrote:

Sigma Magnus wrote:That sword is way too big for Cerebros.

Erm....the sword does come apart y'know? so he can use a small section of it

In the picture I was talking about, Cerebros was using the PE sword, not the Takara/SDCC one.