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So wave 4 is Brawn, Roadborn, and restocking of bumblebee?

kurthy wrote:So wave 4 is Brawn, Roadborn, and restocking of bumblebee?

Yup! Kids love Bumblebee so much you can viably shove him into a wave with his new-head redeco!

Kurona wrote:

kurthy wrote:So wave 4 is Brawn, Roadborn, and restocking of bumblebee?

Yup! Kids love Bumblebee so much you can viably shove him into a wave with his new-head redeco!

I'd say that's quite unusual, but apparently new heads/parts count as a different figure. I mean, didn't RiD have Blizzard Strike and Power Surge Optimus Prime in the same case at one point?

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Kurona wrote:

kurthy wrote:So wave 4 is Brawn, Roadborn, and restocking of bumblebee?

Yup! Kids love Bumblebee so much you can viably shove him into a wave with his new-head redeco!

I'd say that's quite unusual, but apparently new heads/parts count as a different figure. I mean, didn't RiD have Blizzard Strike and Power Surge Optimus Prime in the same case at one point?

If they did, I think that's just the same case as 'Bee here - kids friggin' love Prime, they don't care that two of the same mold are on the shelf at the same time; they care that they can get two Optimus Primes

Wolfwire Weirdwire Wolfwolf Weirdwolf gets a lot better once you accept that he can't always have his feet perfectly planted on the ground...... *twitch*




Also, Rewind and Chromedome (do they have a couple name?) pic of the day. I enjoy these two way too much.

whos more likely to get a figure in a boxset, g2 megatron or flywheels

Bumblebee21 wrote:whos more likely to get a figure in a boxset, g2 megatron or flywheels

Unless head molds get switched around between figures, I'd say G2 Megatron. Either that or a Blitzwing based on his Platinum release:


Transformers Platinum Edition Blitzwing Gallery

Or maybe even Overcharge:


Transformers e-Hobby Exclusives Overcharge Gallery

The Velocitron has 2 retools (Rodimus and Nautica), 1 pretool I'm assuming (Quickswitch) and a redeco (Prime), while the Cybertron one has 2 retools (Thunderwing and Metalhawk?), 1 pretool (Tidal Wave) and 1 redeco (Prime) as well. I think we can expect the same for the other 2.

Kurona wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Kurona wrote:

kurthy wrote:So wave 4 is Brawn, Roadborn, and restocking of bumblebee?

Yup! Kids love Bumblebee so much you can viably shove him into a wave with his new-head redeco!

I'd say that's quite unusual, but apparently new heads/parts count as a different figure. I mean, didn't RiD have Blizzard Strike and Power Surge Optimus Prime in the same case at one point?

If they did, I think that's just the same case as 'Bee here - kids friggin' love Prime, they don't care that two of the same mold are on the shelf at the same time; they care that they can get two Optimus Primes

My 8 year old mind could barely contemplate the existence of regular OP and powermaster OP. Once I had PMOP, I didn't care that I never got regular OP (yet, I've gotten a few since...).

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:The Velocitron has 2 retools (Rodimus and Nautica), 1 pretool I'm assuming (Quickswitch) and a redeco (Prime), while the Cybertron one has 2 retools (Thunderwing and Metalhawk?), 1 pretool (Tidal Wave) and 1 redeco (Prime) as well. I think we can expect the same for the other 2.

Just wondering, how can you tell what is a retool and what is a pretool? Wasnt this whole line designed all at once?
And for nsutica, you only consider the new tooling to be the face right? Because the fans are more like new accesories here, just like the new accessories platinum perceptor had, and that wasnt considered new tooling.

Bumblebee21 wrote:whos more likely to get a figure in a boxset, g2 megatron or flywheels

I'd say Flywheels. He was rumored and the mold would work for him

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:

Bumblebee21 wrote:whos more likely to get a figure in a boxset, g2 megatron or flywheels

I'd say Flywheels. He was rumored and the mold would work for him

Didn't that rumour turn out to be a Wave 4 Titan Master re-release?

Kurona wrote:

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:

Bumblebee21 wrote:whos more likely to get a figure in a boxset, g2 megatron or flywheels

I'd say Flywheels. He was rumored and the mold would work for him

Didn't that rumour turn out to be a Wave 4 Titan Master re-release?

That guy is technically called Skytread, and maybe the Boxset will actually use flywheels

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:

Kurona wrote:

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:

Bumblebee21 wrote:whos more likely to get a figure in a boxset, g2 megatron or flywheels

I'd say Flywheels. He was rumored and the mold would work for him

Didn't that rumour turn out to be a Wave 4 Titan Master re-release?

That guy is technically called Skytread, and maybe the Boxset will actually use flywheels

Except Nightbeat suffered the same fate... and weren't there other figures on rumour lists that showed their normal names but when the toy came out they had a different name? We certainly didn't know from the rumour lists that the Autobot Clone would be renamed 'Fastcrash', for instance.

I dunno, not saying it's impossible; but I'm not quite betting on it. Especially when they might figure a G2 Megatron would match Velocitron's G2 Optimus. And the fact that, well, it's friggin' Megatron.

Kurona wrote:

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Kurona wrote:

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:

Bumblebee21 wrote:whos more likely to get a figure in a boxset, g2 megatron or flywheels

I'd say Flywheels. He was rumored and the mold would work for him

Didn't that rumour turn out to be a Wave 4 Titan Master re-release?

That guy is technically called Skytread, and maybe the Boxset will actually use flywheels

Except Nightbeat suffered the same fate... and weren't there other figures on rumour lists that showed their normal names but when the toy came out they had a different name? We certainly didn't know from the rumour lists that the Autobot Clone would be renamed 'Fastcrash', for instance.

I dunno, not saying it's impossible; but I'm not quite betting on it. Especially when they might figure a G2 Megatron would match Velocitron's G2 Optimus. And the fact that, well, it's friggin' Megatron.

Yeah but I am really pulling for Flywheels. He needs a new figure, not another Megatron.

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:

Bumblebee21 wrote:whos more likely to get a figure in a boxset, g2 megatron or flywheels

I'd say Flywheels. He was rumored and the mold would work for him

But on the other hand, G2 Megatron would fit better thematically with Laser Prime (to whatever extent they're trying to tie any box-set figures together, which doesn't seem to be much). I mean it was kind of easy to predict a G2 repaint of mass-retail TR Optimus, since his robot mode had a lot of those visual cues plus his alt-mode of a tanker truck was so distinctly G2.

But what about TR Megatron? Aside from the lack of shoulder-cannon (can the TR toy do that though? I think I remember people saying it can) and the different chest, the robot modes look pretty similar - not as much as TR/G2 Optimus, but look at those lower legs and feet! Plus we have to remember that as common a tank is as an alt-mode for Megatron, his G2 toy was the one that originated that too! I'd say there's pretty good evidence either way, but I'd kind of prefer a Flywheels from Blitzwing just for some extra character variety in my collection.

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Kurona wrote:

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Kurona wrote:

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:

Bumblebee21 wrote:whos more likely to get a figure in a boxset, g2 megatron or flywheels

I'd say Flywheels. He was rumored and the mold would work for him

Didn't that rumour turn out to be a Wave 4 Titan Master re-release?

That guy is technically called Skytread, and maybe the Boxset will actually use flywheels

Except Nightbeat suffered the same fate... and weren't there other figures on rumour lists that showed their normal names but when the toy came out they had a different name? We certainly didn't know from the rumour lists that the Autobot Clone would be renamed 'Fastcrash', for instance.

I dunno, not saying it's impossible; but I'm not quite betting on it. Especially when they might figure a G2 Megatron would match Velocitron's G2 Optimus. And the fact that, well, it's friggin' Megatron.

Yeah but I am really pulling for Flywheels. He needs a new figure, not another Megatron.

Perhaps, perhaps... but I'd certainly hope he gets a new figure in the form of an actual Duocon, rather than using a body that two characters already use extremely well

Qwan wrote:But what about TR Megatron? Aside from the lack of shoulder-cannon (can the TR toy do that though? I think I remember people saying it can) and the different chest, the robot modes look pretty similar - not as much as TR/G2 Optimus, but look at those lower legs and feet! Plus we have to remember that as common a tank is as an alt-mode for Megatron, his G2 toy was the one that originated that too! I'd say there's pretty good evidence either way, but I'd kind of prefer a Flywheels from Blitzwing just for some extra character variety in my collection.

There is a port on each of Megatron/Blitzwing's shoulders that... certainly did seem odd when I got it rather than some random extra play value. Maybe that's evidence of planning ahead for G2 come to think of it, especially when the G2 figure had a shoulder cannon but not an arm cannon. Hmm...

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D-Maximus_Prime wrote:

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D-Maximus_Prime wrote:

Bumblebee21 wrote:whos more likely to get a figure in a boxset, g2 megatron or flywheels

I'd say Flywheels. He was rumored and the mold would work for him

Didn't that rumour turn out to be a Wave 4 Titan Master re-release?

That guy is technically called Skytread, and maybe the Boxset will actually use flywheels

Except Nightbeat suffered the same fate... and weren't there other figures on rumour lists that showed their normal names but when the toy came out they had a different name? We certainly didn't know from the rumour lists that the Autobot Clone would be renamed 'Fastcrash', for instance.

I dunno, not saying it's impossible; but I'm not quite betting on it. Especially when they might figure a G2 Megatron would match Velocitron's G2 Optimus. And the fact that, well, it's friggin' Megatron.

Yeah but I am really pulling for Flywheels. He needs a new figure, not another Megatron.

Perhaps, perhaps... but I'd certainly hope he gets a new figure in the form of an actual Duocon, rather than using a body that two characters already use extremely well

While I would prefer that, I also do not want a G2 Megatron. I am already thinking about selling off Quickswitch, Tidal Wave, and Pounce. I don't want to add another character to that list

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Kurona wrote:

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Kurona wrote:

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Kurona wrote:

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:

Bumblebee21 wrote:whos more likely to get a figure in a boxset, g2 megatron or flywheels

I'd say Flywheels. He was rumored and the mold would work for him

Didn't that rumour turn out to be a Wave 4 Titan Master re-release?

That guy is technically called Skytread, and maybe the Boxset will actually use flywheels

Except Nightbeat suffered the same fate... and weren't there other figures on rumour lists that showed their normal names but when the toy came out they had a different name? We certainly didn't know from the rumour lists that the Autobot Clone would be renamed 'Fastcrash', for instance.

I dunno, not saying it's impossible; but I'm not quite betting on it. Especially when they might figure a G2 Megatron would match Velocitron's G2 Optimus. And the fact that, well, it's friggin' Megatron.

Yeah but I am really pulling for Flywheels. He needs a new figure, not another Megatron.

Perhaps, perhaps... but I'd certainly hope he gets a new figure in the form of an actual Duocon, rather than using a body that two characters already use extremely well

While I would prefer that, I also do not want a G2 Megatron. I am already thinking about selling off Quickswitch, Tidal Wave, and Pounce. I don't want to add another character to that list

I admire your optimism, though I can almost guarantee you that with the sets being almost purely repaints and minor retools; you may be adding to that list quite a bit... let's just cross our fingers they've got some good stuff planned.

Kurona wrote:kids friggin' love Prime, they don't care that two of the same mold are on the shelf at the same time; they care that they can get two Optimus Primes

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Bumblebee21 wrote:whos more likely to get a figure in a boxset, g2 megatron or flywheels

Unless head molds get switched around between figures, I'd say G2 Megatron. Either that or a Blitzwing based on his Platinum release:


Transformers Platinum Edition Blitzwing Gallery

Ooh, Fever Dream would be a nice choice, yes.



Would also be nice if we could get Astrotrain redecoed as Star Dasher too.

Chase is so sad in the shelves at TRU. Same with BB. Brawn? Haven't seen one since February.

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Kurona wrote:kids friggin' love Prime, they don't care that two of the same mold are on the shelf at the same time; they care that they can get two Optimus Primes

... did... I make a reference? Either I just didn't realise it or it's so ingrained into me I didn't notice

If there was a reference, I didn't get it either.

Anyway, I'm having a problem. Breakaway Getaway keeps trying to shoot my cats.


Is anyone else experiencing this issue, or is it just a problem on my copy of the figure?

Dont know if it was pointed out before, but for those hwo dont know, Skyshadow doesnt need to remove his headmaster to transform. And unlike Sixshot there is no mode that works better if you plug in the headmaster, like Sicshot's wolf mode. Sure, he has cockpits, but you can fit any titanmaster there and keep Skyshadow instact.

Anyways, I didnt hear much feedback, which Kup do you guys think works better with the season 3 cast?





Lastly, as I was playing with random toys from the past few years along with the TR toys, I noticed how hasbro's looked great and not oversahdowed by the taakra releases. You can see for yourself below, even with an MP around, all the paint apps look good and none of these look obviously Hasbro cheap. Sure, Kup doesnt look like Kup, but the paint is there in robot mode. All I mean is that in terms of quality and paint apps, I found Hasbro and Takara indistinguishable with the toys I was playing with below.

i orignally wanted to get tr kup but im gonna pass in him and keep my generations version.

Depends on your personal preferences and whether or not you're a stickler for the exact silhouette, really. I guess it's worth noting that unless you plan on getting a third party version, Springer doesn't exactly look like his 1986 movie version either, so Generations Kup gets away with that a bit easier.

Still, Takara will almost certainly bring out the mold in the cartoon-accurate colours; so it shouldn't be a question for much longer. ... well, I mean, they're holding off Legends until August, so you'll have to wait for quite a bit. But still.

william-james88 wrote:Dont know if it was pointed out before, but for those hwo dont know, Skyshadow doesnt need to remove his headmaster to transform. And unlike Sixshot there is no mode that works better if you plug in the headmaster, like Sicshot's wolf mode. Sure, he has cockpits, but you can fit any titanmaster there and keep Skyshadow instact.

Anyways, I didnt hear much feedback, which Kup do you guys think works better with the season 3 cast?





Lastly, as I was playing with random toys from the past few years along with the TR toys, I noticed how hasbro's looked great and not oversahdowed by the taakra releases. You can see for yourself below, even with an MP around, all the paint apps look good and none of these look obviously Hasbro cheap. Sure, Kup doesnt look like Kup, but the paint is there in robot mode. All I mean is that in terms of quality and paint apps, I found Hasbro and Takara indistinguishable with the toys I was playing with below.

For season 3, I personally prefer TR Kup thanks to his colors/complement -- but Gen-Kup has the face. Tough call...but since I only own G1 Kup at the moment, I can tell ya I do plan on picking up TR Kup.


Sigma! That Getaway is nothing but trouble!

Kurona wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Kurona wrote:kids friggin' love Prime, they don't care that two of the same mold are on the shelf at the same time; they care that they can get two Optimus Primes

... did... I make a reference? Either I just didn't realise it or it's so ingrained into me I didn't notice

I thought it was to this:

After San Antonio, we have a report of another sighting of Voyager class Titans Return figure Broadside, in a Target in Livonia, MI, for $25.99 - the photo proof is below Fellow Seibertronian Tigertrack sends us the sighting directly from the store, and you can also help out fellow collectors by using our sightings database and forum sections - happy hunting!

As much as I like aircraft carrier mode...space dolphin just doesn't do it for me.

I think the thing that annoys me most about Broadside isn't that he ended up with a bad jet mode - Triple Changers aren't easy to get right so I'm very forgiving if one mode doesn't look fantastic - but that it seems like it would have been so easy to make said jet mode... not exactly great, but at least somewhat passable. A few joints to make the 'space dolphin' fan mode official and fixed, and the wings moved up to the middle instead of lying at the bottom. Sure, it wouldn't be great, but it'd be kind of alright at the least.

While we're on the subject though; how hilarious would it be if Wave 6 did have two new triple changer Voyagers that share a mold... and they're G1-accurate versions of Springer and Sandstorm instead of Apeface and Snapdragon?

They're probably saving apeface and snapdragon for a beasts line

It Is Him wrote:They're probably saving apeface and snapdragon for a beasts line

But titans return has a bunch of beasts already. There will be no such thing as a beasts line.

It Is Him wrote:They're probably saving apeface and snapdragon for a beasts line

wave 6 voyagers

im trying not buy any voyager autobots.
so far so good.

The main single-release line is pretty Decepticon-centric, huh?

5 Decepticon Leaders to 2 Autobot Leaders (and both of those were in the first wave - every new Leader for four waves straight has been a Decepticon!)

5 Decepticon Voyagers to 4 Autobot Voyagers...

Pretty impressive considering the original toyline was practically 5:1 when it came to Autobots:Decepticons. I'm certainly not complaining

william-james88 wrote:

It Is Him wrote:They're probably saving apeface and snapdragon for a beasts line

But titans return has a bunch of beasts already. There will be no such thing as a beasts line.

Remember who the boss monkey is next year... and where he's from (in comic terms)

RAR wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

It Is Him wrote:They're probably saving apeface and snapdragon for a beasts line

But titans return has a bunch of beasts already. There will be no such thing as a beasts line.

Remember who the boss monkey is next year... and where he's from (in comic terms)

The vote was only just held a few months ago and the line should be coming out this very year. I highly doubt they have enough time to change the entire direction of the line based on that vote.

Kurona wrote:

RAR wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

It Is Him wrote:They're probably saving apeface and snapdragon for a beasts line

But titans return has a bunch of beasts already. There will be no such thing as a beasts line.

Remember who the boss monkey is next year... and where he's from (in comic terms)

The vote was only just held a few months ago and the line should be coming out this very year. I highly doubt they have enough time to change the entire direction of the line based on that vote.

No But you will likely get a mix of japanese Characters, beasts, and heck maybe fembots or what ever is a touch point to the options offered then they will adjust once they get to later waves in 2018 I think it's fair to see it as a 2018 line even if it might ship in last quarter 2017 - just as everyone ignores that Beast Wars actually came out in 1995 and not 1996. and that is assuming they don't actually release it in March 2018 and then use the extension of Titans Return to sell more Movie toys and perhaps release Titan Scorponok as Prime War II not Prime Wars 3 (if they wanted too).

I expect they likely realise they can claim mechanical animals are either beast related or just normal Decepticons depending on how the vote came out - like if Megatron had won you could still do Apeface Or the Terrorcons with no issues.

Heck they can easily make a 7th or even 8th Wave is they want to of TR and still end around the same sort of time.

I think we are assuming the line ends at wave 6 - But I've heard no solid confirmation of that yet.

Heck i'd much rather get two more TR waves and fill some of the important gaps in than jump tracks to early.

I don't think Prime Wars will be just Beasts - I just think it will have a fair few Beasts in it - especially if they end TR at wave 6.

I also expect some Japanese Zone/Victory Characters too.

Oh yeah, I'll totally be surprised if there aren't any beasts aside from Primal; I just really don't think it'll be centered around beasts.

Much as it pains me there's just too many clues that TR's gonna end at Wave 6. The Movie toys which Hasbro'll want to focus on are starting to be released, as are the Boxsets which, while we only have a single line's precedence of, seems to indicate that the actual waves of a line are starting to end.

I mean hell, we could get a Wave 7; certainly wouldn't mind, but it's not something I'm expecting.

Kurona wrote:Oh yeah, I'll totally be surprised if there aren't any beasts aside from Primal; I just really don't think it'll be centered around beasts.

Much as it pains me there's just too many clues that TR's gonna end at Wave 6. The Movie toys which Hasbro'll want to focus on are starting to be released, as are the Boxsets which, while we only have a single line's precedence of, seems to indicate that the actual waves of a line are starting to end.

I mean hell, we could get a Wave 7; certainly wouldn't mind, but it's not something I'm expecting.

No need for clues, hasbro confirmed at toy fair that it ends at wave 6 with potp starting jan 2018.

To sort of answer your question Will, I am preferring the look of the TR Kup, mainly because he and his IDW Revolutionaries self are now almost exactly the same look. Also, I will not call the titan master "Flintlock." that titan master's new name in my collection will be Ian Noble AKA Action Man

Kurona wrote:Still, Takara will almost certainly bring out the mold in the cartoon-accurate colours; so it shouldn't be a question for much longer. ... well, I mean, they're holding off Legends until August, so you'll have to wait for quite a bit. But still.

I am sure it could get a more cartoon accurate deco but it wont help, just like Springer's more cartoon acurrate deco doesnt help make it more "season 3"-ish. The chest for Gen Kup is much closer to anything resembling Kup. This TR one does something really off with that chest and those headlights. That top half is all wrong with the way the shoulders are and the overly angular arms which remind me of CW Breakdown.

All in all, this mold doesnt scream kup in robot mode, at least not the Kup I have in my head. I look forward to seeing him decod as a different character. Any really, I am actually warmer towards reuse of molds for characters I dont know since it becomes all new to me.

william-james88 wrote:

Kurona wrote:Still, Takara will almost certainly bring out the mold in the cartoon-accurate colours; so it shouldn't be a question for much longer. ... well, I mean, they're holding off Legends until August, so you'll have to wait for quite a bit. But still.

I am sure it could get a more cartoon accurate deco but it wont help, just like Springer's more cartoon acurrate deco doesnt help make it more "season 3"-ish. The chest for Gen Kup is much closer to anything resembling Kup. This TR one does something really off with that chest and those headlights. That top half is all wrong with the way the shoulders are and the overly angular arms which remind me of CW Breakdown.

All in all, this mold doesnt scream kup in robot mode, at least not the Kup I have in my head. I look forward to seeing him decod as a different character. Any really, I am actually warmer towards reuse of molds for characters I dont know since it becomes all new to me.

maybe its beacuse kup always has a backpack and he doesnt here.

Kurona wrote:While we're on the subject though; how hilarious would it be if Wave 6 did have two new triple changer Voyagers that share a mold... and they're G1-accurate versions of Springer and Sandstorm instead of Apeface and Snapdragon?

Oh, don't even joke! (Though actually if I'm being honest, I would be quite curious to see how that would look...)


As to Will's question also, I actually don't particularly like either of them as Kup to be honest. I don't actually have TR Kup yet so I can't give much of a personally-informed opinion on the figure itself, but I'm pretty turned off by the color-scheme and weird face (won't stop me from buying him as soon as I see him though! Seems like a great mold if not a great Kup). I've never had Gen Kup either, but I do have GDO Swerve, so I can say that I find that mold to be a bit too finicky and kibbly for my tastes. Bottom line, I honestly can't see Kup very much in either of his two Generations molds (nor his PRiD one either, which is my current all-purposes Kup figure). At this point it seems to me that Kup is in pretty much the same boat as Ironhide: perpetually getting toys that almost work but fall just short enough that I'm always disappointed by the end result.

Heh, that didn't actually answer your question at all did it? For what it's worth TR Kup will be my Generations Kup once I get him; mostly because I don't find either version better than the other, and it's a heck of a lot easier to just buy a toy off a shelf than to hunt for a well-priced good-condition secondhand one on eBay.

Kup looks like a fun toy, but my Kup needs are already filled by the Prime figure, which I actually quite like even with its issues. If they retooled/redecoed it though I'd buy it for sure- the question is who they'd do him as. It could work as a decent Ironhide IMO.

Black Hat wrote:Kup looks like a fun toy, but my Kup needs are already filled by the Prime figure, which I actually quite like even with its issues. If they retooled/redecoed it though I'd buy it for sure- the question is who they'd do him as. It could work as a decent Ironhide IMO.

I could see that Ironhide, Black Hat!

I was pleased with the reinvigorated (?) version of him for CW, but that Kup config would suit him better.

I actually think Kup could make a half way decent Crosshairs.

Love the aircraft carrier mode. Other modes...well...

Love the aircraft carrier mode. Other modes...well...

ThunderThruster wrote:I actually think Kup could make a half way decent Crosshairs.

That's the guy I could see them retooling this into. Been my thoughts since the first reviews came out