TakaraTomy Transformers Legends LG-14 Ultra Magnus to possibly include Alpha Trion

You mean in order to get a fully comic-accurate Magnus I gotta buy Takara for the body AND Hasbro for Minimus?!

Sabrblade wrote:

You mean in order to get a fully comic-accurate Magnus I gotta buy Takara for the body AND Hasbro for Minimus?!

If you're gonna buy both and mix-and-match, I'm sure you can sell off Alpha quite quick.

I don't want to buy both. I want just one, but Takara just made doing that more difficult.

Yipee-skip!

So, if I want both I get double dipped for the equivalent of a $3 arms micron!

What a privilege to give Hasbro my hard earned cash for the smallest and cheapest to manufacture product that they can produce!!

Wow thats lame. If anyone wants a real classics Alpha Trion, get your hands on Titanian Saint. You wont be disappointed.

It's not really the Alpha Trion that's sellin it for me but Magnus's extra detail and paint apps. Looks sharp, blurry picture and all. Hasbro's inclusion of Minimus makes more sense though if we're following IDW's interpretation of Magnus. Alpha Trion as a minibot? What sense does that make?

Why did Takara go with red thighs for their version of Magnus? As tribute to the original G1 box art? I think I'll be happy with the Hasbro version. It's got a better color scheme and fewer paint detail embellishments that aren't on the G1 screen version.

Wolfman Jake wrote:Why did Takara go with red thighs for their version of Magnus? As tribute to the original G1 box art? I think I'll be happy with the Hasbro version. It's got a better color scheme and fewer paint detail embellishments that aren't on the G1 screen version.

Red thighs for IDW comic accuracy

Wolfman Jake wrote:Why did Takara go with red thighs for their version of Magnus?

Cuz it's comic-accurate?

I posted quite a bit before

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They've been white too in IDW. So, why would Takara go with a comic-accurate deco and NOT include Minimus Ambus, who is integral to the character of the version they are trying to emulate? Insanity! Plus, that's one itty-bitty Alpha Trion. Hasbro version still wins for me. A rarity, but I just like it better.

Primeultimus wrote:I posted quite a bit before

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Wolfman Jake wrote:They've been white too in IDW.

That's not the same body.

That's the body from the 2009-2011 ongoing. This toy is based on the MTMTE body.

Wolfman Jake wrote:They've been white too in IDW. So, why would Takara go with a comic-accurate deco and NOT include Minimus Ambus, who is integral to the character of the version they are trying to emulate? Insanity! Plus, that's one itty-bitty Alpha Trion. Hasbro version still wins for me. A rarity, but I just like it better.

That's an older comic I believe. When I said IDW I shouldve said MTMTE.

as to why Alpha Trion? I have no clue.. to make you get both? It's working on me =D

mooncake623 wrote:as to why Alpha Trion? I have no clue.. to make you get both? It's working on me =D

Maybe he's the only facial-haired elderly Autobot from the cartoon that Takara could think of.

Though, you know who might have worked better in Takara's favor for being a facial-haired, elderly, cartoon Autobot who IS small? Governor Raikuru.



Sure, he equally has jack to do with Magnus, but it's someone who hasn't gotten a toy yet and is from a cartoon Takara's audience is familiar with.

mooncake623 wrote:as to why Alpha Trion? I have no clue.. to make you get both? It's working on me =D

Probably to avoid introducing (too many) new characters in a G1-centered line. We already had Windblade, and Minimus Ambus would be practically unknown to the Japanese except for the ones who can read the English comics. Since he has facial hair, Alpha Trin (see my previous post) was a logical choice, especially concerning his connection to Dion and what possibly became of him

Sabrblade wrote:

mooncake623 wrote:as to why Alpha Trion? I have no clue.. to make you get both? It's working on me =D

Maybe he's the only bearded elderly Autobot from the cartoon that Takara could think of.

Though, you know who might have worked better in Takara's favor for being a bearded, elderly, cartoon Autobot who IS small? Governor Raikuru.



Sure, he equally has jack to do with Magnus, but it's someone who hasn't gotten a toy yet and from a cartoon Takara's audience is familiar with.

Wow what epsoide is that from? Don't remember him at all.

mooncake623 wrote:Wow what epsoide is that from? Don't remember him at all.

He's a Micromaster from Transformers: Victory.

http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Riker

Sabrblade wrote:

mooncake623 wrote:Wow what epsoide is that from? Don't remember him at all.

He's a Micromaster from Transformers: Victory.

http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Riker

Cool!!

Still.. I don't mind a Mini Alpha Trion for Generations Metroplex? hehe

Red or white thighs doesn't mean anything to me. I'll stick with the Hasbro version to get Minimus Ambus.

For me, it will be Hasbro all the way. I don't follow the comics, but I much prefer the principle of UM is in fact, just a suit of armor controlled by a minicon.

Whoops, wrong thread.

Mkall wrote:With Uncle Sam paying me back a bit, I figured I'd get a couple Damashii Gundams that I've have my eye on for a while.

Okay, but... what that to do with Magnus, here?

And technically Tallgeese III isn't a Gundam...

Sabrblade wrote:Okay, but... what that to do with Magnus, here?

Wrong thread, I haven't done that in a while

And technically Tallgeese III isn't a Gundam...

Semantics

sigh. So Japanese fans wont see a Minimus Ambus release? They do have the comics over there I think, so I;m sure there will be some who would have been excited for this. Why even a repaint into Alpha Trion? It makes no sense. It's almost like the designers had no idea what Hasbro was going for and tried to "fix" it.

Optimizzy wrote:sigh. So Japanese fans wont see a Minimus Ambus release? They do have the comics over there I think, so I;m sure there will be some who would have been excited for this. Why even a repaint into Alpha Trion? It makes no sense. It's almost like the designers had no idea what Hasbro was going for and tried to "fix" it.

Japan does have original US comics, the same way we have original manga: imported and not officially translated I think.

Oh you Japan, I like how you're trying to "fix" the figures that are intended to represent a very specific interpretation of the character. It's be like if we got reverse convoy and hasbro painted in regular Megatron colors XD

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

mooncake623 wrote:as to why Alpha Trion? I have no clue.. to make you get both? It's working on me =D

Probably to avoid introducing (too many) new characters in a G1-centered line. We already had Windblade, and Minimus Ambus would be practically unknown to the Japanese except for the ones who can read the English comics. Since he has facial hair, Alpha Trin (see my previous post) was a logical choice, especially concerning his connection to Dion and what possibly became of him

If Takara were that concerned about keeping things as "G1" as possible, then why detail the Magnus figure as the IDW version and not try to make it more faithful to the original cartoon, as is their usual style? Repainting Minimus Ambus was just a WEIRD move, any way you slice it.

Wolfman Jake wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

mooncake623 wrote:as to why Alpha Trion? I have no clue.. to make you get both? It's working on me =D

Probably to avoid introducing (too many) new characters in a G1-centered line. We already had Windblade, and Minimus Ambus would be practically unknown to the Japanese except for the ones who can read the English comics. Since he has facial hair, Alpha Trin (see my previous post) was a logical choice, especially concerning his connection to Dion and what possibly became of him

If Takara were that concerned about keeping things as "G1" as possible, then why detail the Magnus figure as the IDW version and not try to make it more faithful to the original cartoon, as is their usual style? Repainting Minimus Ambus was just a WEIRD move, any way you slice it.

What, you want a red bumper too?

Wait, that's just me?

Dammit now I need this.

Easy decision for me, I was never a fan of UM having a red thigh, so the Hasbro white thigh takes my money
Other than the red thigh, TTomy UM/Alpha is perfect. However, since I'm a cartoon freak when it comes to G1 UM, the white thigh from Hasbro is a bless.

Rated X wrote:Wow thats lame. If anyone wants a real classics Alpha Trion, get your hands on Titanian Saint. You wont be disappointed.

I beg to disagree. The best incarnation for A-3, classic, G1 etc (never transformed btw) is this. And it's official:



But if Tomy is aping for the IDW (Ambus isn't that too familiar to Japanese fans), then the closest thing to label the mini figure would be a modern A3.

that doesnt make sense, alpha trion doesnt operate a transtector!

Sabrblade wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:Why did Takara go with red thighs for their version of Magnus?

Cuz it's comic-accurate?

I was gonna say because it's toy accurate.



But that's just how I like my updates.
They are starting to release the comics in Japan though, right?

mooncake623 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

mooncake623 wrote:Wow what epsoide is that from? Don't remember him at all.

He's a Micromaster from Transformers: Victory.

http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Riker

Cool!!

Still.. I don't mind a Mini Alpha Trion for Generations Metroplex? hehe

The episode which eventually lead to Leokaiser's intro iirc.

Dawww... lil baby A3

It makes almost no sense. But UM himself is my main focus so it doesn't really bug me.

Think the dark red Burgandy thighs look weird, Prefer cartoon white thighs.

Don't see what the big fuss is all about with recoloring Ambus into Alpha Trion colors. Doubt anyone is buying this toy solely for the minicon class toy.

Think that Titanian Saint is a bad example of a good update Alpha Trion toy. As it looks like a combination of a cheap KO and a snap together garage kit toy.

Think the best update G1 Alpha Trion toy. Is that Botcon Alpha Trion repurposed Vector Prime toy.

Tsutsukakushi wrote:Think the best update G1 Alpha Trion toy. Is that Botcon Alpha Trion repurposed Vector Prime toy.

Agreed. BotCon 2007 Alpha Trion is pretty darned good for a "Classics" style update. That's been my neo-G1 Alpha Trion for years now. I wouldn't mind seeing that Million Publishing concept of a repaint/retool of Generations Scourge as Alpha Trion at some point in the future, though.

Is that a Legion (3" tall) firure?

BERSEKAEL wrote:Is that a Legion (3" tall) firure?

No, it's smaller than a lego minifigure,

Tsutsukakushi wrote:Think the dark red Burgandy thighs look weird, Prefer cartoon white thighs.

Don't see what the big fuss is all about with recoloring Ambus into Alpha Trion colors. Doubt anyone is buying this toy solely for the minicon class toy.

Think that Titanian Saint is a bad example of a good update Alpha Trion toy. As it looks like a combination of a cheap KO and a snap together garage kit toy.

Think the best update G1 Alpha Trion toy. Is that Botcon Alpha Trion repurposed Vector Prime toy.

Given that the source of the "big fuss" raised, you should know better tsu

Yeah...nope, I'll stick to Hasbro, the whole point of this was the charm of getting Minimus Ambus.

Wow, is it really that hard to figure out? Why release an accessory figure in a market where nobody knows what the figure is? The U.S. gets Minimus since that is where he will be more likely to be recognized (for those following the IDW comics at least) and Japan gets Alpha Trion. The internal packaging doesn't have to be altered, the only thing that needs changing is the box art. This is such a simple marketing move and yet you folks are wracking your brains over why this is being done. This isn't rocket science and theirs no great mystery or conspiracy here. Please don't make me drag out my crayons and simplify this any more than I already have for you folks.

CrankyOldTruck wrote:Wow, is it really that hard to figure out? Why release an accessory figure in a market where nobody knows what the figure is? The U.S. gets Minimus since that is where he will be more likely to be recognized (for those following the IDW comics at least) and Japan gets Alpha Trion. The internal packaging doesn't have to be altered, the only thing that needs changing is the box art. This is such a simple marketing move and yet you folks are wracking your brains over why this is being done. This isn't rocket science and theirs no great mystery or conspiracy here. Please don't make me drag out my crayons and simplify this any more than I already have for you folks.

Once again, there's no need to talk down to people. Things can be EASILY stated in a way that's not insulting.

I for one think it's really odd since there's no connection between the two that I'm aware of. But either way I don't really care either since I have no connection to Ambus anyways. I'll be buying whichever is the best Ultra Magnus regardless of whatever robot sits in his cockpit.

shajaki wrote:I for one think it's really odd since there's no connection between the two that I'm aware of. But either way I don't really care either since I have no connection to Ambus anyways. I'll be buying whichever is the best Ultra Magnus regardless of whatever robot sits in his cockpit.

The G1 Episode "War Dawn" provides a possible answer. In it, Orion Pax and his friend Dion were killed, and Alpha Trion proceeded to rebuild Orion Pax as Optimus Prime, as we all know. Whatever happened to Dion? One theory suggests he was rebuilt into Ultra Magnus, again by Alpha Trion, but they're being particularly coy with confirming it.
FunPub really teased us by having Dion and Mangum, an Ultra Magnus inspired character. shot down, with Alpha Trion being able to rebuilt only one of the two into Ultra Magnus. Which one was it? We'll never know

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

shajaki wrote:I for one think it's really odd since there's no connection between the two that I'm aware of. But either way I don't really care either since I have no connection to Ambus anyways. I'll be buying whichever is the best Ultra Magnus regardless of whatever robot sits in his cockpit.

The G1 Episode "War Dawn" provides a possible answer. In it, Orion Pax and his friend Dion were killed, and Alpha Trion proceeded to rebuild Orion Pax as Optimus Prime, as we all know. Whatever happened to Dion? One theory suggests he was rebuilt into Ultra Magnus, again by Alpha Trion, but they're being particularly coy with confirming it.
FunPub really teased us by having Dion and Mangum, an Ultra Magnus inspired character. shot down, with Alpha Trion being able to rebuilt only one of the two into Ultra Magnus. Which one was it? We'll never know

Jelze is it the wings universe which has the reference to UM either being Dion or Delta Magnus. Also has Delta appeared in any more fiction.

Ginrai Minor wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

shajaki wrote:I for one think it's really odd since there's no connection between the two that I'm aware of. But either way I don't really care either since I have no connection to Ambus anyways. I'll be buying whichever is the best Ultra Magnus regardless of whatever robot sits in his cockpit.

The G1 Episode "War Dawn" provides a possible answer. In it, Orion Pax and his friend Dion were killed, and Alpha Trion proceeded to rebuild Orion Pax as Optimus Prime, as we all know. Whatever happened to Dion? One theory suggests he was rebuilt into Ultra Magnus, again by Alpha Trion, but they're being particularly coy with confirming it.
FunPub really teased us by having Dion and Mangum, an Ultra Magnus inspired character. shot down, with Alpha Trion being able to rebuilt only one of the two into Ultra Magnus. Which one was it? We'll never know

Jelze is it the wings universe which has the reference to UM either being Dion or Delta Magnus. Also has Delta appeared in any more fiction.

Magnum is not Delta Magnus. And it is the Wings Universe, which is basically the G1 cartoon with a lot of subtle differences. Plus Delta Magnus appeared only in IDW comics, alongside its version of Orion Pax.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Ginrai Minor wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

shajaki wrote:I for one think it's really odd since there's no connection between the two that I'm aware of. But either way I don't really care either since I have no connection to Ambus anyways. I'll be buying whichever is the best Ultra Magnus regardless of whatever robot sits in his cockpit.

The G1 Episode "War Dawn" provides a possible answer. In it, Orion Pax and his friend Dion were killed, and Alpha Trion proceeded to rebuild Orion Pax as Optimus Prime, as we all know. Whatever happened to Dion? One theory suggests he was rebuilt into Ultra Magnus, again by Alpha Trion, but they're being particularly coy with confirming it.
FunPub really teased us by having Dion and Mangum, an Ultra Magnus inspired character. shot down, with Alpha Trion being able to rebuilt only one of the two into Ultra Magnus. Which one was it? We'll never know

Jelze is it the wings universe which has the reference to UM either being Dion or Delta Magnus. Also has Delta appeared in any more fiction.

Magnum is not Delta Magnus. And it is the Wings Universe, which is basically the G1 cartoon with a lot of subtle differences. Plus Delta Magnus appeared only in IDW comics, alongside its version of Orion Pax.

Thanks Jelze!! Delta Magnus and his guard of autobots watched over the matrix between Prime candidates right? I would love a classics version of both those guys even though the seem to just be diaclone paint scheme rehashes(IDW DM anyways)

CrankyOldTruck wrote:Wow, is it really that hard to figure out? Why release an accessory figure in a market where nobody knows what the figure is? The U.S. gets Minimus since that is where he will be more likely to be recognized (for those following the IDW comics at least) and Japan gets Alpha Trion. The internal packaging doesn't have to be altered, the only thing that needs changing is the box art. This is such a simple marketing move and yet you folks are wracking your brains over why this is being done. This isn't rocket science and theirs no great mystery or conspiracy here. Please don't make me drag out my crayons and simplify this any more than I already have for you folks.

Except that Takara has gone with a color scheme true to the current IDW presentation of Ultra Magnus, so if they're using that source material for the look, why not include Minimus Ambus inside? Hasbro IS including Minimus, but using an altered color scheme that is more akin to the traditional "cartoon G1" layout for Ultra Magnus (thought decidedly not perfect). If Takara is hesitant to use source material they don't think their Japanese fans are familiar with, then why not do their usual routine and make the color scheme as G1 as possible, as is their usual want with these "Classics" releases? If they're not afraid to use Western source material, as evidenced by using the color scheme they chose for this figure, then why do it half way? It IS weird. You have to buy both the Hasbro and Takara version of this figure it you want a perfect IDW representation.

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