TakaraTomy Transformers Legends: LG-23 Galvatron and LG-21 Hardhead In Package
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Posted by Sabrblade on June 11th, 2016 @ 12:01am CDT
Posted by Gunmetal on June 11th, 2016 @ 12:03am CDT
Posted by Gunmetal on June 11th, 2016 @ 12:09am CDT
Sabrblade wrote:Odd how they parsed "Headmaster" as "Head Master".
Also, Hardhead's TM is in head-mode while Galvatron's isn't. Perhaps because Nebulon (or whatever his name is) doesn't technically form the complete face?
Posted by Wolfman Jake on June 11th, 2016 @ 12:10am CDT
Posted by Carnivius_Prime on June 11th, 2016 @ 2:27am CDT
Randomus wrote:Speaking for myself alone, I'd rather have the Hasbro Hardhead. My 1987 self never liked how cartoon Hardhead didn't have the "cool mouth plate" that my toy had.
Same. He just looked more badass with the mouthplate toy look.
Posted by King Kuuga on June 11th, 2016 @ 4:09am CDT
Posted by Va'al on June 11th, 2016 @ 4:43am CDT
Development in the Japan Edition ginrai!!
It something considerably different from the power master op ginrai?!
Redesign of the cab, ginrai, breast changes, changes, arms and legs are different and such?!
Which seem to suggest that chest, cab, arms and legs of the figure will be modified to get close to the big robot mode, including something happening to the Titanmaster feature to accommodate the Ginrai character. Are we to see the Godbomber directly? Let us know what you think in the Energon Pub!
Posted by Kurona on June 11th, 2016 @ 5:11am CDT
Posted by xMXUx on June 11th, 2016 @ 6:36am CDT
Posted by william-james88 on June 11th, 2016 @ 8:46am CDT
Randomus wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Odd how they parsed "Headmaster" as "Head Master".
Also, Hardhead's TM is in head-mode while Galvatron's isn't. Perhaps because Nebulon (or whatever his name is) doesn't technically form the complete face?
Yeah it could be that, but I thought it was to sell the look of this new titan master, which looks like Megatron. The head transformed as a robot is more recognizable than it just as a head.
That Bot wrote:Now I miss when Hasbro toys were packaged in alt mode.
I do too. The last time it happened was the AOE deluxe Dinobots, right?
Its odd, they've even been rereleasing many G1s in robot mode. I guess it's to differentiate themselves from other brands and it makes it easy for parent to tell that it is an action figure.
Randomus wrote:Speaking for myself alone, I'd rather have the Hasbro Hardhead. My 1987 self never liked how cartoon Hardhead didn't have the "cool mouth plate" that my toy had.
I preffer the grey on hasbro's hardhead over the brown on Takara's. Both are cool though, I am really impressed at how both companies took the same toy but modified it for it to resemble 2 different looks of the character: toy and show model. I really love when Hasbro and Takara offer different takes rather than both going for a similar look with one of them doing a better job at it.
Posted by Va'al on June 11th, 2016 @ 8:57am CDT
Posted by Sabrblade on June 11th, 2016 @ 9:07am CDT
Posted by Agamemnon on June 11th, 2016 @ 9:15am CDT
You know, Takara, I'm getting really tired of buying more than one of these figures because of your awesome remolds and paint....
Posted by william-james88 on June 11th, 2016 @ 9:40am CDT
Sabrblade wrote:Hm, based on that artwork, it looks to still be Super Ginrai rather than God Ginrai. No visible Godbomber armor components.
Yup, and you know, how they wrote Super Ginrai on it
Posted by Mindmaster on June 11th, 2016 @ 10:14am CDT
Posted by Evil Eye on June 11th, 2016 @ 12:11pm CDT
Posted by Gunmetal on June 11th, 2016 @ 1:26pm CDT
Could be, but at least PMOP doesn't have omissions on the level of the Constructicon elbows (but I wouldn't be surprised if the leg modifications include ankle tilts).Delta Magnus wrote:So Ginrai is getting heavy retooling from PMOP huh? Sounds like it could be Devastator all over again.
Looking at the picture, it looks like the may have the arm panels hinge higher up so that they aren't underneath his hands. This could allow for wrist swivels, but would leave him without that grip he needs to hold his guns better.
The chest does look different too. At first I thought, "what's the point," since it's not like they still need to distinguish it from Ultra Magnus (they way Takara distinguished their Technobots from their earlier mold partners). Then I realized it: they're different characters (duh) ; giving them distinct chests gives us an excuse to get both to represent the two side-by-side.
Well played.
Posted by Evil Eye on June 11th, 2016 @ 1:28pm CDT
Randomus wrote:Could be, but at least PMOP doesn't have omissions on the level of the Constructicon elbows (but I wouldn't be surprised if the leg modifications include ankle tilts).Delta Magnus wrote:So Ginrai is getting heavy retooling from PMOP huh? Sounds like it could be Devastator all over again.
Looking at the picture, it looks like the may have the arm panels hinge higher up so that they aren't underneath his hands. This could allow for wrist swivels, but would leave him without that grip he needs to hold his guns better.
The chest does look different too. At first I thought, "what's the point," since it's not like they still need to distinguish it from Ultra Magnus (they way Takara distinguished their Technobots from their earlier mold partners). Then I realized it: they're different characters (duh) ; giving them distinct chests gives us an excuse to get both to represent the two side-by-side.
Well played.
Well PMOP has nasty hollow arms, no ankle tilts (as you mentioned) and no wrist swivels so hopefully they'll be on the agenda for upgrading.
Posted by Gunmetal on June 11th, 2016 @ 1:54pm CDT
Delta Magnus wrote:Randomus wrote:Could be, but at least PMOP doesn't have omissions on the level of the Constructicon elbows (but I wouldn't be surprised if the leg modifications include ankle tilts).Delta Magnus wrote:So Ginrai is getting heavy retooling from PMOP huh? Sounds like it could be Devastator all over again.
Looking at the picture, it looks like the may have the arm panels hinge higher up so that they aren't underneath his hands. This could allow for wrist swivels, but would leave him without that grip he needs to hold his guns better.
The chest does look different too. At first I thought, "what's the point," since it's not like they still need to distinguish it from Ultra Magnus (they way Takara distinguished their Technobots from their earlier mold partners). Then I realized it: they're different characters (duh) ; giving them distinct chests gives us an excuse to get both to represent the two side-by-side.
Well played.
Well PMOP has nasty hollow arms, no ankle tilts (as you mentioned) and no wrist swivels so hopefully they'll be on the agenda for upgrading.
I don't know about the arms; they still look hollow in the sketch, and I can't recall any other instance where Takara went back and filled in forearms or thighs. Masterpiece aside, I think both companies are equally guilty of 3-sided limbs (which makes sense since the toys are designed jointly).
Posted by Mindmaster on June 11th, 2016 @ 1:56pm CDT
Posted by Sigma Magnus on June 11th, 2016 @ 1:57pm CDT
Posted by King Kuuga on June 11th, 2016 @ 2:01pm CDT
Posted by Gunmetal on June 11th, 2016 @ 2:03pm CDT
Mindmaster wrote:Somebody snuck in and got this.
Well, okay, Delta, there you go. (In my defense, that's not how the inner forearms are shaped in the sketch.)
Looks like since they were redesigning the hands to swivel, they took the opportunity to make the roof panels a each separate piece and face the open side of the forearms into them. Higher parts count, but less paint.
Posted by Evil Eye on June 11th, 2016 @ 2:03pm CDT
>Arms no longer hollow
>Powermaster
>ANKLE TILTS
TAKARA WINS AGAIN
Posted by galvatron00 on June 11th, 2016 @ 2:19pm CDT
Shiiiiiiiiiiirts. I feel like I should wait for this guy instead of PMOP..Mindmaster wrote:Somebody snuck in and got this.
Posted by shajaki on June 11th, 2016 @ 2:25pm CDT
Posted by Sigma Magnus on June 11th, 2016 @ 2:28pm CDT
Posted by LOST Cybertronian on June 11th, 2016 @ 2:30pm CDT
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Posted by ZeroWolf on June 11th, 2016 @ 2:34pm CDT
Other pics: anyone else notice a distinct lack of fortress/cerebros figures?
Posted by Gunmetal on June 11th, 2016 @ 2:57pm CDT
Sigma Magnus wrote:...aren't a few of those the Hasbro versions?
It's definitely the Hasbro Fortress Maximus.
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on June 11th, 2016 @ 2:58pm CDT
ZeroWolf wrote:Other pics: anyone else notice a distinct lack of fortress/cerebros figures?
Remember, the Hasbro Cerebros/Emissary figure uses the US cartoon head design with the mouthplate which does not match the toy at all. TakaraTomy must want to keep their retool a surprise.
Posted by OptimalOptimus2 on June 11th, 2016 @ 4:29pm CDT
Posted by Kurona on June 11th, 2016 @ 4:56pm CDT
Posted by Prowl4 on June 11th, 2016 @ 5:02pm CDT
Posted by ZeroWolf on June 11th, 2016 @ 5:03pm CDT
Posted by Sigma Magnus on June 11th, 2016 @ 5:04pm CDT
Prowl4 wrote:I hope takaras dumped the headmaster gimmick for this.
They didn't...we've known that for awhile now...
Posted by Prowl4 on June 11th, 2016 @ 5:07pm CDT
Sigma Magnus wrote:Prowl4 wrote:I hope takaras dumped the headmaster gimmick for this.
They didn't...we've known that for awhile now...
And what department of takaras do you work in?
Posted by ZeroWolf on June 11th, 2016 @ 5:08pm CDT
Sigma Magnus wrote:Prowl4 wrote:I hope takaras dumped the headmaster gimmick for this.
They didn't...we've known that for awhile now...
I think he means for super ginrai, it's possible that they redesigned the cab to allow a new ginrai figure to attach to it like the godmasters of old.
Posted by Sigma Magnus on June 11th, 2016 @ 5:09pm CDT
Prowl4 wrote:Sigma Magnus wrote:Prowl4 wrote:I hope takaras dumped the headmaster gimmick for this.
They didn't...we've known that for awhile now...
And what department of takaras do you work in?
...are we really doing this again? Look at the packaging pictures a few pages back. Very clearly some Headmasters. Hell, look at the display, there are little Headmasters everywhere!
Posted by Sigma Magnus on June 11th, 2016 @ 5:11pm CDT
ZeroWolf wrote:Sigma Magnus wrote:Prowl4 wrote:I hope takaras dumped the headmaster gimmick for this.
They didn't...we've known that for awhile now...
I think he means for super ginrai, it's possible that they redesigned the cab to allow a new ginrai figure to attach to it like the godmasters of old.
Prowl4, if that's the case, please be more specific...
Posted by OptimalOptimus2 on June 11th, 2016 @ 5:49pm CDT
ZeroWolf wrote:Sorry to break it to you two but I don't think any of them are happening
I know sarcasm when I read it.
Posted by Kurona on June 11th, 2016 @ 6:40pm CDT
Hell, this can be backed up by the fact that so far, we have not been shown any Takara takes on TR figures that were target/powermasters turned into headmasters.
"But wait, most beautiful supreme goddess Kurona!" I hear you cry, if greatly paraphrased and peppered with compliments in my head. "They've shown Scourge and Blurr who are still headmasters and not targetmasters!"
This is true. However... Blurr, Hot Rod, Kup, Cyclonus and Scourge were only rereleased and retooled as Targetmasters in 1987 by Hasbro. In Japan, they were not. So from the perspective of Takara, this is not changing Targetmasters into Headmasters - just changing characters with no notable gimmicks originally into Headmasters, like Galvatron and Astrotrain.
Therefore, the possibility remains open that Triggerhappy and all the rest could be given their Targetmaster status and such back with the Headmaster gimmick omitted. At the very least, it remains very possible for Ginrai - especially given the extent of his retool and given we had comments on the smaller Ginrai figure apparently being altered.
... Typing something that long on a phone is bloody exhausting send help im dying
Posted by Hellscream9999 on June 11th, 2016 @ 6:42pm CDT
Prowl4 wrote:Sigma Magnus wrote:Prowl4 wrote:I hope takaras dumped the headmaster gimmick for this.
They didn't...we've known that for awhile now...
And what department of takaras do you work in?
Dear Primus, you are not seriously starting this again
There are clearly headmasters on the figures you want 'remolded', the figures show off the headmaster gimmick on the display, and Yuki's facebook page, among other places; time to cut the trolling, and accept things the way they are
Posted by Hellscream9999 on June 11th, 2016 @ 6:45pm CDT
Kurona wrote:I think since they are going as far as they are with this retool, I'd say it's certainly a possibility they're making Ginrai a Powermaster instead of a Headmaster. That said, that's just pure speculation as we have nothing to prove either way; it's just a possibility - but one I feel is likely due to how far they are shown to be going with the retool.
Hell, this can be backed up by the fact that so far, we have not been shown any Takara takes on TR figures that were target/powermasters turned into headmasters.
"But wait, most beautiful supreme goddess Kurona!" I hear you cry, if greatly paraphrased and peppered with compliments in my head. "They've shown Scourge and Blurr who are still headmasters and not targetmasters!"
This is true. However... Blurr, Hot Rod, Kup, Cyclonus and Scourge were only rereleased and retooled as Targetmasters in 1987 by Hasbro. In Japan, they were not. So from the perspective of Takara, this is not changing Targetmasters into Headmasters - just changing characters with no notable gimmicks originally into Headmasters, like Galvatron and Astrotrain.
Therefore, the possibility remains open that Triggerhappy and all the rest could be given their Targetmaster status and such back with the Headmaster gimmick omitted. At the very least, it remains very possible for Ginrai - especially given the extent of his retool and given we had comments on the smaller Ginrai figure apparently being altered.
... Typing something that long on a phone is bloody exhausting send help im dying
Well, they're in luck, they should have several targetmaster molds available to them to use (gen cyclonus, Gen scoop's pair, and mp rodimus - if I'm not mistaken) plus it really shouldn't be too difficult to whip up a new mold
Posted by Kurona on June 11th, 2016 @ 6:57pm CDT
Hellscream9999 wrote:Kurona wrote:I think since they are going as far as they are with this retool, I'd say it's certainly a possibility they're making Ginrai a Powermaster instead of a Headmaster. That said, that's just pure speculation as we have nothing to prove either way; it's just a possibility - but one I feel is likely due to how far they are shown to be going with the retool.
Hell, this can be backed up by the fact that so far, we have not been shown any Takara takes on TR figures that were target/powermasters turned into headmasters.
"But wait, most beautiful supreme goddess Kurona!" I hear you cry, if greatly paraphrased and peppered with compliments in my head. "They've shown Scourge and Blurr who are still headmasters and not targetmasters!"
This is true. However... Blurr, Hot Rod, Kup, Cyclonus and Scourge were only rereleased and retooled as Targetmasters in 1987 by Hasbro. In Japan, they were not. So from the perspective of Takara, this is not changing Targetmasters into Headmasters - just changing characters with no notable gimmicks originally into Headmasters, like Galvatron and Astrotrain.
Therefore, the possibility remains open that Triggerhappy and all the rest could be given their Targetmaster status and such back with the Headmaster gimmick omitted. At the very least, it remains very possible for Ginrai - especially given the extent of his retool and given we had comments on the smaller Ginrai figure apparently being altered.
... Typing something that long on a phone is bloody exhausting send help im dying
Well, they're in luck, they should have several targetmaster molds available to them to use (gen cyclonus, Gen scoop's pair, and mp rodimus - if I'm not mistaken) plus it really shouldn't be too difficult to whip up a new mold
Plus, while including a new mold might be too much for Hasbro due to them needing to keep to an exact price range (they are limited to making only as much for a deluxe as can be justified for $17 or whatever for instance) - Japan's market is a lot more free with no such standard price points, hence if making a new figure for the toy means increasing the price a little, that's fine. That's how they wete able to get away with arms micron Breakdown and how they're able to package titan master vehicles with hardhead, weirdwolf etc just fine.
Posted by ZeroWolf on June 11th, 2016 @ 7:19pm CDT
Thanks kurona You've taught me something quite interesting!
Posted by Kurona on June 11th, 2016 @ 7:27pm CDT
ZeroWolf wrote:Interesting, I wasn't aware of their freeform pricing. I'd had just assumed they were like hasbro and priced all the same size together. This makes a lot of sense now as to why they didn't mind the extra tooling on devy.
Thanks kurona You've taught me something quite interesting!
Very welcome!
Admittedly I don't know why the markets are so different, just that they are... the reason AM Breakdown remains import-exclusive ;-;
Posted by Hellscream9999 on June 11th, 2016 @ 7:31pm CDT
Kurona wrote:ZeroWolf wrote:Interesting, I wasn't aware of their freeform pricing. I'd had just assumed they were like hasbro and priced all the same size together. This makes a lot of sense now as to why they didn't mind the extra tooling on devy.
Thanks kurona You've taught me something quite interesting!
Very welcome!
Admittedly I don't know why the markets are so different, just that they are... the reason AM Breakdown remains import-exclusive ;-;
Well, that way, they never have to skimp on quality or vision to meet a set of constraints, they price the object at what it's worth, and their customers respect it knowing this. But, at the same time, it also creates loose ends, say they bump up pmop (for instance) to be more expensive, but people don't buy it, they lose money, whereas the Hasbro model probably allows for this through various outs, such as staggered case selections (for instance 2 bumblebee's and prime's for 1 quillfire and thunderhoof)
Posted by Kurona on June 11th, 2016 @ 7:37pm CDT
Hellscream9999 wrote:Kurona wrote:ZeroWolf wrote:Interesting, I wasn't aware of their freeform pricing. I'd had just assumed they were like hasbro and priced all the same size together. This makes a lot of sense now as to why they didn't mind the extra tooling on devy.
Thanks kurona You've taught me something quite interesting!
Very welcome!
Admittedly I don't know why the markets are so different, just that they are... the reason AM Breakdown remains import-exclusive ;-;
Well, that way, they never have to skimp on quality or vision to meet a set of constraints, they price the object at what it's worth, and their customers respect it knowing this. But, at the same time, it also creates loose ends, say they bump up pmop (for instance) to be more expensive, but people don't buy it, they lose money, whereas the Hasbro model probably allows for this through various outs, such as staggered case selections (for instance 2 bumblebee's and prime's for 1 quillfire and thunderhoof)
Oh yeah, there's definetely pros and cons for each system. Even for the consumer, at least with Hasbro you have consistency - when you buy Weirdwolf, short of scalping or some shops having idiotic pricing you at least know every deluxe will cost the same so you can plan ahead with your money a bit easier. With Takara, it's a little trickier.
And even if you do know every price in advance, it's much easier to remember "titan master 5, legend 10, deluxe 17, voyager 23, leader 45, titan 150" than individual prices for every single figure.
Okay, that is admittedly a bit of a small factor when at the end of the day Takara's system - at least in theory - would assure a more quality package, but even so. Consistency and memory go hand in hand. ... Says the one who failed college psychology