TakaraTomy Transformers Adventure TAV-09 Swoop In hand

Not sure what it is but I just dont like it.

I will stick with all my original TF Animated Dinobots.

Looks like Black Shadow on crack.

Still wonder what the source of inspiration was for that deco.

I am guessing this is G1 toy deco Swoop right?

william-james88 wrote:I am guessing this is G1 toy deco Swoop right?

Not even.



No gray/silver, and too much black and gold.

Sabrblade wrote:

william-james88 wrote:I am guessing this is G1 toy deco Swoop right?

Not even.



No gray/silver, and too much black and gold.

But it has all that centralized red.

william-james88 wrote:But it has all that centralized red.

Red is a common centralizing color.

Sabrblade wrote:

william-james88 wrote:I am guessing this is G1 toy deco Swoop right?

Not even.

No gray/silver, and too much black and gold.

Yeah. But it's the closest thing to.

Sabrblade wrote:

william-james88 wrote:But it has all that centralized red.

Red is a common centralizing color.

Haha, I see what you did there. I can think of a few transformers with a red chest

But still, for a pteranodon, the central red chest to me is a direct call back to G1 Swoop. At least as much as Big Convoy's red chest is a callback to G1 Optimus.

Sabrblade wrote:Still wonder what the source of inspiration was for that deco.

Graphy with a hint of Decibel?





Mini-con Swoop?

Snarl, the one with the most obvious homage (to the AOE Snarl figure) isn't a perfect likeness either. It lacks gray on the arms and legs, choosing to use black instead, but we still know what they were going for. If it's the G1 Swoop then it's matter of replacing the clear and silver parts with gray, but I think they would have made his head red and face silver.

I've heard others suggest Laserbeak, the original package art did show him with a gold beak and the package art for Swoop makes his face look like a turned up beak. I can't help but think the yellow triangles on the chest are significant.

Personally I like to think of him as a homage to Skyjack/Skyfall thanks to the black and red placement. Particularly Universe Skyfall with the gold face and gray hands.



Of course there's that whole Decepticon thing, but in Prime Grimlock starts as a Decepticon so it kinda works. Eh, maybe it's just me.

Emerje

Colours are close enough to G1 toy that that's probably where the inspiration came from, it doesn't have to be a 1:1 match to the source though. I quite like the coloration

Easy. Grimlock is black and green. Swoop is black and red. And so on.

-Kanrabat- wrote:Easy. Grimlock is black and green. Swoop is black and red. And so on.

So you're saying that it's something along the lines of Dinobots meets Power Rangers Samurai? That's just disturbing!

CrankyOldTruck wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:Easy. Grimlock is black and green. Swoop is black and red. And so on.

So you're saying that it's something along the lines of Dinobots meets Power Rangers Samurai? That's just disturbing!

Nah, more like Kyoryu Sentai Zyuranger from 1992, which was adapted into Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers the following year Or given we only have 3 Dinos (technically 2 and a Pterosaur), Bakuryu Sentai Abaranger from 2003, the basis for Power Rangers Dino Thunder of 2004.

OK, now I'm done

Seibertron sponsors BigBadToyStore and TFsource has listed a bunch of new preorders for the Transformers Adventure TAV and TED lines! The most notable members of this batch are likely Hasbro's Legends Class Groove and Blackjack, seen here as Overdrive and Runabout (G1 Runabout being the obvious homage). The new listings consist of:
-TAV21 Optimus Prime
-TAV22 Sideswipe
-TAV23 Jazz
-TAV24 Microshooter Fracture
-TAV25 Runabout
-TAV26 Overdrive
-TAV27 Microshooter Drift
-TAV28 Grand Vehicon General
-TAV29 Bumblebee Sublime Mode
-TAVVS Sideswipe & Stepper
-TED10 Strongarm
-TED11 Steeljaw
-TED12 Thunderhoof

Keep scrolling to see some shots of the all the new Adventure figures, and be sure to check out TFsource and BigBadToyStore to preorder if you like what you see!

You sure it's Overdrive and not Override?


Transformers G1 1988 Override Gallery

I think he's still called Runabout (and I called it ). Never trust the translation the stores give. I mean, "sublime" is most likely "Supreme"

Still a nice list, and a confirmation of some sort that Groove remains in Unite Warriors.

I eagerly await grand general of the vehicon armada: Steve

That Optimus Prime looks VERY nice. Think Hasbro will release it stateside, or is this another example of Takara Tomy making their own Optimus Prime figure for a line (a la the Transformers: Lost Age line)?

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:You sure it's Overdrive and not Override?

While you might be correct, both sites have him listed as Overdrive:
http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/product.aspx?product=TAK12110&mode=retail
http://tfsource.com/transformers-adventure/tav-26-overdrive/

I had to look it up myself... cause he ain't no red car

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:I think he's still called Runabout (and I called it ). Never trust the translation the stores give. I mean, "sublime" is most likely "Supreme"

Right you are. I picked up that typo from TFsource (which they've actually already fixed now, and so have I)

Dammit Takara, would it kill you to reveal the new deco for the new Warrior Steeljaw figure coming out in June?! That is the picture I am second most eager to see right behind United Warriors Defensor.

I've been dead set against getting into the RID toy line, but I have to admit that Jazz is might tempting.

Also, I love the Blackjack mold; I'm glad we're getting an interesting redeco (at a nice, affordable price to boot!).

Finally, YES. All about the Vehicon General. Maybe this means we'll get a Jet Vehicon re-release sometime in the near future?

megatronus wrote:Also, I love the Blackjack mold; I'm glad we're getting an interesting redeco (at a nice, affordable price to boot!)

No, as he was originally intended to be to boot

That new Optimus is GIGANTIC! Like, the size of God Ginrai or RID Omega Prime or Armada Super Optimus Prime or MP-1 Convoy or MP-22 Ultra Magnus or MP-24 Star Saber!

Sabrblade wrote:That new Optimus is GIGANTIC! Like, the size of God Ginrai or RID Omega Prime or Armada Super Optimus Prime or MP-1 Convoy or MP-22 Ultra Magnus or MP-24 Star Saber!

He also has a working trailer that can be used for storage. I am forgetting things now, is this a figure we will get from Hasbro, or is this another case of the other Big easy Optimus from AOE we never got?

william-james88 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:That new Optimus is GIGANTIC! Like, the size of God Ginrai or RID Omega Prime or Armada Super Optimus Prime or MP-1 Convoy or MP-22 Ultra Magnus or MP-24 Star Saber!

He also has a working trailer that can be used for storage. I am forgetting things now, is this a figure we will get from Hasbro, or is this another case of the other Big easy Optimus from AOE we never got?

We've never seen this Optimus before. Whatever company it comes from, it's brand new to us for now.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Still a nice list, and a confirmation of some sort that Groove remains in Unite Warriors.

Yes, but in what form? It's unlikely they'll use this mold since Takara Tomy is going traditional and keeping with the five bot teams. I doubt they'll be making a new groove figure so maybe Rook has a groove head in his mold?

Runabout is a no-brainer, that's who the mold was intended to be in the first place.

Emerje

Emerje wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Still a nice list, and a confirmation of some sort that Groove remains in Unite Warriors.

Yes, but in what form? It's unlikely they'll use this mold since Takara Tomy is going traditional and keeping with the five bot teams. I doubt they'll be making a new groove figure so maybe Rook has a groove head in his mold?

Runabout is a no-brainer, that's who the mold was intended to be in the first place.

Emerje

What are we getting the groove confirmation from?

Also, Sabr, is that Optimus as big as the giant Hasbro Bumblebee coming out later this year? Does he beat DOTM's supposedly Tallest Optimus figure?

william-james88 wrote:

Emerje wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Still a nice list, and a confirmation of some sort that Groove remains in Unite Warriors.

Yes, but in what form? It's unlikely they'll use this mold since Takara Tomy is going traditional and keeping with the five bot teams. I doubt they'll be making a new groove figure so maybe Rook has a groove head in his mold?

Runabout is a no-brainer, that's who the mold was intended to be in the first place.

Emerje

What are we getting the groove confirmation from?

Legends Groove released as a different character (and probably a new deco). Had Groove not been in Unite Warriors TakaraTomy could have released that mold as is, as Groove.

william-james88 wrote:

Emerje wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Still a nice list, and a confirmation of some sort that Groove remains in Unite Warriors.

Yes, but in what form? It's unlikely they'll use this mold since Takara Tomy is going traditional and keeping with the five bot teams. I doubt they'll be making a new groove figure so maybe Rook has a groove head in his mold?

Runabout is a no-brainer, that's who the mold was intended to be in the first place.

Emerje

What are we getting the groove confirmation from?

Also, Sabr, is that Optimus as big as the giant Hasbro Bumblebee coming out later this year? Does he beat DOTM's supposedly Tallest Optimus figure?

No. That Bumblebee is, IIRC, 2 feet tall. This Optimus is 30cm tall, about 1/2 the size of Super Bee.

So that Optimus is a new mold and not the redeco/retool of the 3-steper we saw at toy fair? Also is it me or does that Vehicon look like the one from Prime but with something different done for its gun? I see a peg coming out of its arm.

chuckdawg1999 wrote:So that Optimus is a new mold and not the redeco/retool of the 3-steper we saw at toy fair?

Looks like a new mold. Judging from the pic he'll be a foot tall, and feature sounds.

Also is it me or does that Vehicon look like the one from Prime but with something different done for its gun? I see a peg coming out of its arm.

Nope, that's perfectly possible with the regular Vehicon. The gun has two small clamps on the bottom so it can attach to the either the sides of the hood (above the wheel covers), or on his forearms. And yes, the 5mm post is actually on the side of the gun, not the bottom

I wish I'd known about Runabout ~2 weeks ago. I would have foregone Blackjack for that. Oh well, Blackjack's not awful or anything.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

chuckdawg1999 wrote:So that Optimus is a new mold and not the redeco/retool of the 3-steper we saw at toy fair?

Looks like a new mold. Judging from the pic he'll be a foot tall, and feature sounds.

Also is it me or does that Vehicon look like the one from Prime but with something different done for its gun? I see a peg coming out of its arm.

Nope, that's perfectly possible with the regular Vehicon. The gun has two small clamps on the bottom so it can attach to the either the sides of the hood (above the wheel covers), or on his forearms. And yes, the 5mm post is actually on the side of the gun, not the bottom

I forgot about that. I'm still on the fence about the figure.

That Prime is incredibly interesting, I'm already opening my wallet, but I hope it'll be domestic as well so I don't have to squeeze out more money for import prices...

shajaki wrote:Seibertron sponsors BigBadToyStore and TFsource has listed a bunch of new preorders for the Transformers Adventure TAV and TED lines! The most notable members of this batch are likely Hasbro's Legends Class Groove and Blackjack, seen here as Overdrive and Runabout (G1 Runabout being the obvious homage). The new listings consist of:
-TAV21 Optimus Prime
-TAV22 Sideswipe
-TAV23 Jazz
-TAV24 Microshooter Fracture
-TAV25 Runabout
-TAV26 Overdrive
-TAV27 Microshooter Drift
-TAV28 Grand Vehicon General
-TAV29 Bumblebee Sublime Mode
-TAVVS Sideswipe & Stepper
-TED10 Strongarm
-TED11 Steeljaw
-TED12 Thunderhoof

Keep scrolling to see some shots of the all the new Adventure figures, and be sure to check out TFsource and BigBadToyStore to preorder if you like what you see!

TAV21 brings back memories of Action Master Optimus Prime.

My fingers are still crossed for a Unite / Combiner Wars Deluxe Class Groove.

fenrir72 wrote:

shajaki wrote:Seibertron sponsors BigBadToyStore and TFsource has listed a bunch of new preorders for the Transformers Adventure TAV and TED lines! The most notable members of this batch are likely Hasbro's Legends Class Groove and Blackjack, seen here as Overdrive and Runabout (G1 Runabout being the obvious homage). The new listings consist of:
-TAV21 Optimus Prime
-TAV22 Sideswipe
-TAV23 Jazz
-TAV24 Microshooter Fracture
-TAV25 Runabout
-TAV26 Overdrive
-TAV27 Microshooter Drift
-TAV28 Grand Vehicon General
-TAV29 Bumblebee Sublime Mode
-TAVVS Sideswipe & Stepper
-TED10 Strongarm
-TED11 Steeljaw
-TED12 Thunderhoof

Keep scrolling to see some shots of the all the new Adventure figures, and be sure to check out TFsource and BigBadToyStore to preorder if you like what you see!

TAV21 brings back memories of Action Master Optimus Prime.

There's no need to quote everything. We just saw that and it take too much sp...
...
...dammit.

Is Microshooter Fracture a brand new mold or a redeco of something else?

-Kanrabat- wrote:

fenrir72 wrote:TAV21 brings back memories of Action Master Optimus Prime.

There's no need to quote everything. We just saw that and it take too much sp...
...
...dammit.

Kan, you bring up a good point. Lets give it our best efford to not bog down threads with giant pic heavy quotes people!

-Kanrabat- wrote:

fenrir72 wrote:

shajaki wrote:Seibertron sponsors BigBadToyStore and TFsource has listed a bunch of new preorders for the Transformers Adventure TAV and TED lines! The most notable members of this batch are likely Hasbro's Legends Class Groove and Blackjack, seen here as Overdrive and Runabout (G1 Runabout being the obvious homage). The new listings consist of:
-TAV21 Optimus Prime
-TAV22 Sideswipe
-TAV23 Jazz
-TAV24 Microshooter Fracture
-TAV25 Runabout
-TAV26 Overdrive
-TAV27 Microshooter Drift
-TAV28 Grand Vehicon General
-TAV29 Bumblebee Sublime Mode
-TAVVS Sideswipe & Stepper
-TED10 Strongarm
-TED11 Steeljaw
-TED12 Thunderhoof

Keep scrolling to see some shots of the all the new Adventure figures, and be sure to check out TFsource and BigBadToyStore to preorder if you like what you see!

TAV21 brings back memories of Action Master Optimus Prime.

There's no need to quote everything. We just saw that and it take too much sp...
...
...dammit.

Too many pics.I couldn't cut them off as I wanted too. Besides, you also quoted my long quote.

...and Fen, you just re-quoted it.

THOSE WARRIOR CLASS TOYS ARE RIDING IN THAT PRIME!

Totally super awesome cool!

Let's hope that sees a Christmas time domestic release.

megatronus wrote:Is Microshooter Fracture a brand new mold or a redeco of something else?

Hes not really much of a redeco actually, he's just Deployer Fracture for japanese audiences (and anyone willing to import him). We are getting him stateside.

Cobotron wrote::lol: ...and Fen, you just re-quoted it.

THOSE WARRIOR CLASS TOYS ARE RIDING IN THAT PRIME!

Totally super awesome cool!

Let's hope that sees a Christmas time domestic release.

I wish it to you. But I really fear that this guy will be like Lost age prime.



Both are simpler designs aimed at kids, both are optimus, both are made to interact with other figures, and I fear both wont ever get a US release. Is there any precedent in the past 5 years for a figure made and distributed by hasbro to be leaked first by an official listing for a takara product? Aside from quickslinger and brake-neck (if that counts)?

Also, I have a question. Hasbro is the designer behind most if not all these toys. So when it comes to toys like that Optimus or the Lost Age one pictured above, which might/will only be released by Takara, then is it designed by Takara instead? It's so odd to me since these toys seem ingrained with a line fully designed by Hasbro, based on media that is also from hasbro (Age of Extinction and RID 2015). It puzzles and intrigues me how this works. If anyone has a clue, let me know.

william-james88 wrote:Also, I have a question. Hasbro is the designer behind most if not all these toys. So when it comes to toys like that Optimus or the Lost Age one pictured above, which might/will only be released by Takara, then is it designed by Takara instead? It's so odd to me since these toys seem ingrained with a line fully designed by Hasbro, based on media that is also from hasbro (Age of Extinction and RID 2015). It puzzles and intrigues me how this works. If anyone has a clue, let me know.

TakaraTomy has done designs in-house; while Hasbro may request designs to be made, TakaraTomy, as owner of the brand, can create figures on their own without being asked to, based on the (imported) media used. On the flipside, Hasbro has done designs in-house as well, but they are few and far inbetween:

- G2 Power Masters (suspected)
- Energon Deluxe High Wire
- Energon Mega-Dinobot

The long and short of it is that Hasbro does design all of the figures for its own market on paper, but commissions TakaraTomy to do the actual sculpting and refining. TakaraTomy is free to design any additional figures for its own market, but as they're not "ordered" by Hasbro, I wouldn't expect the Takara-only figures to hit state-side immediately.

Quickslinger and Brake-Neck shouldn't count as an argument against the latter statement, as there are signs that the heads were requested and included in the mold from the start, just held back by Hasbro.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

william-james88 wrote:Also, I have a question. Hasbro is the designer behind most if not all these toys. So when it comes to toys like that Optimus or the Lost Age one pictured above, which might/will only be released by Takara, then is it designed by Takara instead? It's so odd to me since these toys seem ingrained with a line fully designed by Hasbro, based on media that is also from hasbro (Age of Extinction and RID 2015). It puzzles and intrigues me how this works. If anyone has a clue, let me know.

The long and short of it is that Hasbro does design all of the figures for its own market on paper, but commissions TakaraTomy to do the actual sculpting and refining. TakaraTomy is free to design any additional figures for its own market, but as they're not "ordered" by Hasbro, I wouldn't expect the Takara-only figures to hit state-side immediately.

Quickslinger and Brake-Neck shouldn't count as an argument against the latter statement, as there are signs that the heads were requested and included in the mold from the start, just held back by Hasbro.

Thanks! This is such an interesting partnership.

So do you suspect this new big RID Optimus to be an in house Takara design or a Hasbro design that is being released in Japan first?

Also I just realized that all masterpiece figures are all examples of inhouse Takara designs that are eventually taken by Hasbro to distribute in their market.

william-james88 wrote:So do you suspect this new big RID Optimus to be an in house Takara design or a Hasbro design that is being released in Japan first?

The fact it has non-standard gimmicks and size point to it being a Takara-only design. The RiD2015 line seems to have done away with figure interaction except for the Mini-Cons and their Deployers.

The funny thing is that Lost Age Battle Command Optimus Prime was made to effectively replace Stomp & Chomp Grimlock, and to avoid "Character Saturation": TakaraTomy lines usually have only 2 versions of any character, tops and Grimlock met that quota with the One-Step and the Flip & Change.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

william-james88 wrote:So do you suspect this new big RID Optimus to be an in house Takara design or a Hasbro design that is being released in Japan first?

The fact it has non-standard gimmicks and size point to it being a Takara-only design. The RiD2015 line seems to have done away with figure interaction except for the Mini-Cons and their Deployers.

The funny thing is that Lost Age Battle Command Optimus Prime was made to effectively replace Stomp & Chomp Grimlock, and to avoid "Character Saturation": TakaraTomy lines usually have only 2 versions of any character, tops and Grimlock met that quota with the One-Step and the Flip & Change.

Thats interesting. I am guessing the character saturation only applies to sublines right? Like Lost age and not AOE in general?

And is this also why they are using Warrior Optimus' RID 2015 toy as nemesis, keeping only Big Optimus and that really big gimicky optimus?

william-james88 wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

william-james88 wrote:So do you suspect this new big RID Optimus to be an in house Takara design or a Hasbro design that is being released in Japan first?

The fact it has non-standard gimmicks and size point to it being a Takara-only design. The RiD2015 line seems to have done away with figure interaction except for the Mini-Cons and their Deployers.

The funny thing is that Lost Age Battle Command Optimus Prime was made to effectively replace Stomp & Chomp Grimlock, and to avoid "Character Saturation": TakaraTomy lines usually have only 2 versions of any character, tops and Grimlock met that quota with the One-Step and the Flip & Change.

Thats interesting. I am guessing the character saturation only applies to sublines right? Like Lost age and not AOE in general?

And is this also why they are using Warrior Optimus' RID 2015 toy as nemesis, keeping only Big Optimus and that really big gimicky optimus?

Per subline, yes. TakaraTomy's penchant for wrapping multiple Hasbro sublines into one or two to avoid customer confusion does work against some figures. As it now stands, the two lines contain the following:

Adventure Series (TAV): Warriors, Mini-Cons and Deployers, Generations Legends, plus redecos of older or previously unreleased figures, and normally "TED" figures for characters with no other suitable toy (like Fixit and Underbite)
Easy Dynamic Series (TED): One-Steps, 3-Steps (denoted with "Big") and the odd unreleased AoE One-Step and Power Battler

That leaves the Legions unaccounted for, sorta. Extra Store Giveaways anyone?

When I first saw this, I thought this killed chances of a deluxe groove. Then I realized this was a separate line.

Hopefully Takara does pull a deluxe groove for their Unite Warriors Defensor. A Bike mold makes sense given how it can be remolded into Afterburner.

Liking the colours on the blackjack repaint. The red will look nice on menasor IMO.