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... Takara...

ULTRA MAGNUS


NOW HE CAN DEAL WITH THAT!!!

Cyber Bishop wrote:... Takara...

ABSOLUTELY!!!

Ultra Magnus looks sexy.

Grimlock looks neat.

xMXUx wrote:Another picture showing Magnus in Robot mode and site comparison with MP-10.
Saw this on the TF Upgrader Facebook page.

The transformation in the legs is quite different than the G1 figure. The size looks good. I just wish his feet were better defined and the inner lower leg could get covered a bit more.

Does anyone know what is up with the head shot in this picture? Is this showing Convoy's head with the back half of Magnus's helmet?

Stormrider wrote:

xMXUx wrote:Another picture showing Magnus in Robot mode and site comparison with MP-10.
Saw this on the TF Upgrader Facebook page.

The transformation in the legs is quite different than the G1 figure. The size looks good. I just wish his feet were better defined and the inner lower leg could get covered a bit more.

Does anyone know what is up with the head shot in this picture? Is this showing Convoy's head with the back half of Magnus's helmet?

I dunno what it says, but I'm guessing that the naked magnus head will come with removable parts to be replaced with the actual Magnus helmet, so that pic is of the original head with said parts removed.

Yes.

>:oP

Masterpiece is living up to its name.

Cool piece of work...nuf said

Stormrider wrote:The transformation in the legs is quite different than the G1 figure. The size looks good. I just wish his feet were better defined and the inner lower leg could get covered a bit more.

Does anyone know what is up with the head shot in this picture? Is this showing Convoy's head with the back half of Magnus's helmet?

Perhaps Magnus will have alternative expressions like MP-21?

I really liked what KFC did with their version and would've been tempted if I hadn't known about this. I'm a huge ultra magnus fan so much so I want to get a G1 encore

I'm pretty glad I didn't get the mp10 as this will fill in nicely all I'm concerned about (besides the price obviously) is its head... looks weird but i'm sure it'll look better once painted. You think they'll be release the magnus parts separately? Or perhaps, could it lead to a powermaster upgrade for mp10s... one can only hope.

Movie Dinos in G1 colours look better i think but that might be nostalgia...

Did anyone find my jaw? I lost it when it fell on the floor.

As the countdown begins........this are based on an online Japanese retailer's ETA

WJ= end of August 2014

Bumble= end of December 2014

UM= barring delays like Soundwave.........end of April 2015? Just 12 months from now. Not even talking about my wallet getting r@ped by Star saber.

Magnus is looking AWESOME!!!!
Way to knock it out of the park, Takara.

The G1 Dinobot recolors are looking good too, I very well may import these.

But, but, but ... is that an Autobot Mach 5 next to Grimlock?????

Hm, looks like someone posted English translation in the comments section: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=611705112248562

And here: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=611690878916652

Among other things it says Magnus will cost $190 in Japan.

Blazemaster is so trying to be Armada Jolt.

Not sure who the others are trying to mimmick.

Mindmaster wrote:Blazemaster is so trying to be Armada Jolt.

Not sure who the others are trying to mimmick.

Funny you should ask, I can barely make out one of the names: Buzz Saw, out of Waspinator.

Fellow Seibertron.com user Cyberpath has found a useful translation of the text accompanying the images of Takara Transformers MP-22 Ultra Magnus reported earlier, courtesy of poster Li Tian on the TF Upgrader Facebook page. Check it out below, next to the images again!

Main paragraph: Masterpiece #22 is confirmed to be Ultra Magnus. G1 toy was a combination of a Convoy same sized robot and a big body part which transforms into a car carrier. However, Masterpiece toy is going to make its transformation as shown in the cartoon series. The cab truck will still have its own robot mode, but it will be able to transform with the car carrier body as one. Its vehicle mode includes a cab truck in the same size as MP-10, tires and front grill will be the same parts. In addition, shoulder missile launcher will be removable, but it does not have to be removed in order to transform.

Pic 1 with Leader's Metrics: MP-10 Metrics can be stored inside its chest.

Pic 2: Truck mode (in the middle) - Carrier mode gimmick will include movable ramp.

Pic 3: This is the size comparison with MP-10. It is made to be very show accurate.

Continued 2nd Paragraph: MP-22 Ultra Magnus will be released around second half of December, selling price will be 19,440 Japanese yen ($190). (Actual available date and price may be changed.)

For the pic on the right: With respect to the G1 Toy, under the helmet, it will have a smaller head of Magnus (same as Optimus Prime).

Mindmaster wrote:He needs one, I need one, most of the human population needs one...

If you have a problem with this, then the problem is with you.

I don't think so.

I do have a problem with what I am seeing. I will wait to judge until we get clear, full-color shots. But I am not wetting myself like most of you, because this doesn't look "Perfect" by any means. But, as I said, the final product images may change that. It does make KFC's look simple, but as of now, if I had to choose between the 2, I would take theirs. With a new head. I do think the final product images will show this figure to be better than what it looks like now.

oh god, i can hardly wait *drool*

This sounds like a very big undertaking, engineering-wise. Its own small-robot mode, but transforming with the trailer as a single part, ala the show? Sounds like more complex engineering than MP-9 Rodimus.

I suppose the implication is that there would be a redeco or two (Shining, Diaclone, Powered) to offset the work involved.

The good thing, of course, is that not being a licensed vehicle mode, a U.S. release seems like a slam-dunk, offering more opportunities to recoup.

But December seems so far away...

A repaint movie accurate devastator legends/legion ??? That is great news, so takara will continue legends/legion toys

Nailed it.

That is pure awesomesauce!
So it can pull of both, a white Optimus mode and a direct from vehicle to Ultra Magnus Transformation that just sounds incredibly cool.

I cannot wait to see colour pics of this!

Ugh, $190.00?? At least it's better than the pre-order prices I've been seeing floating around, but that's still a lotta' dough. So difficult to maintain this hobby.

Even after an early look, man, that thing is perfect. Sure, there's time for them to screw something up, but wow, I'm blown away. My only problem: I love Magnus and now I'm not sure there could ever be a better toy in the future.

I can't believe there are comments about the KFC one with a totally hollow cab and out of scale bot mode being better. If you think that, please send me whatever crazy pills you take, because they must give one hell of a buzz.

AutoBorst wrote:Ugh, $190.00?? At least it's better than the pre-order prices I've been seeing floating around, but that's still a lotta' dough. So difficult to maintain this hobby.

I think that's a fantastic price, and the HLJ preorder should put it around $155, or around the same amount as MP Soundblaster.

Holy F*** December!

Best X'mas ever!

Va'al wrote:

For the pic on the right: With respect to the G1 Toy, under the helmet, it will have a smaller head of Magnus (same as Optimus Prime).

im also a little worried about this, and surprised no one else is scrutinizing it. with how perfect everything is on this figure, this CAN NOT be his head. there has to be some explanation. when i first saw it i thought it was the back of his head. maybe?

I'm very interested in seeing how it can transform like the cartoon.

While I have great confidence about how incredible the combined Ultra Magnus will appear, I am very interested in seeing what the white Optimus Prime looks like. Hopefully it will have the blue face shield!

shajaki wrote:

Va'al wrote:

For the pic on the right: With respect to the G1 Toy, under the helmet, it will have a smaller head of Magnus (same as Optimus Prime).

im also a little worried about this, and surprised no one else is scrutinizing it. with how perfect everything is on this figure, this CAN NOT be his head. there has to be some explanation. when i first saw it i thought it was the back of his head. maybe?

That's his head without the face on though.

This is his proper head:

shajaki wrote:

Va'al wrote:

For the pic on the right: With respect to the G1 Toy, under the helmet, it will have a smaller head of Magnus (same as Optimus Prime).

im also a little worried about this, and surprised no one else is scrutinizing it. with how perfect everything is on this figure, this CAN NOT be his head. there has to be some explanation. when i first saw it i thought it was the back of his head. maybe?

You can see the "real" face in the other pictures and it's looking quite nice. The idea is you break the helmet apart to reveal this other head underneath - it's supposed to be Prime's original head sans mouthplate, I think...

So, if I am readingthis right, a Titaniums style Transformation with an optional removable cab robot that is not a partformer like the old City Commander set? If so, awesome!

Also, I'd really like me some Targetmasters, too bad they're in Japan, but Jolt is cool.

Cyberpath wrote:That's his head without the face on though.
This is his proper head:

ultramagnushead.jpg

sweeeeet. my reservations are gone. thanks for the clarification!

shajaki wrote:

Cyberpath wrote:That's his head without the face on though.
This is his proper head:

ultramagnushead.jpg

sweeeeet. my reservations are gone. thanks for the clarification!

What is the precedence for this alternate head?

Seibertron wrote:

shajaki wrote:

Cyberpath wrote:That's his head without the face on though.
This is his proper head:

ultramagnushead.jpg

sweeeeet. my reservations are gone. thanks for the clarification!

What is the precedence for this alternate head?

I'm guessing it's just an incomplete aspect of the prototype that isn't finished or something.

Seibertron wrote:I'm very interested in seeing how it can transform like the cartoon.

While I have great confidence about how incredible the combined Ultra Magnus will appear, I am very interested in seeing what the white Optimus Prime looks like. Hopefully it will have the blue face shield!

From what I'm hearing there is no white Optimus, it shares some parts with MP-10 but is specifically not just MP-10 plus armor. I'd still leave that as a rumor at this point though.

Seibertron wrote:What is the precedence for this alternate head?

It's the sculpting underneath the proper Magnus face. Apparently an homage to this:
http://www.seibertron.com/transformers- ... s/25/2/30/

Looks like an "Easter egg" type of thing.

I agree with Scotty. Takara beat KFC to the ground so hard, I can't imagine any future versions of Citizen Stack are going to sell well.

Hasbro, are you listening? Here's a third opportunity to give us MP10 here in the states, just don't mess up and not include the trailer/armor.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Mindmaster wrote:Blazemaster is so trying to be Armada Jolt.

Not sure who the others are trying to mimmick.

Funny you should ask, I can barely make out one of the names: Buzz Saw, out of Waspinator.

If it's Buzz Saw, then he needs purple, not blue.

Cyberpath wrote:

Seibertron wrote:What is the precedence for this alternate head?

It's the sculpting underneath the proper Magnus face. Apparently an homage to this:
http://www.seibertron.com/transformers- ... s/25/2/30/

Looks like an "Easter egg" type of thing.

Isn't that just a picture of Encore UM without it's Magnus head? I don't get it. Homaging people losing UM's head as a kid?

anyway this thing looks awesome! can't wait for pre-orders from Japan so I can finally drop the ridiculous pre-order prices of US retailers.

Mindmaster wrote:

Jelze Bunnycat wrote:Funny you should ask, I can barely make out one of the names: Buzz Saw, out of Waspinator.

If it's Buzz Saw, then he needs purple, not blue.

Another thing I've been wondering. Even though the colors are off, wouldn't it be plausible that they're made with clear plastic?

welcometothedarksyde wrote:You know the movie generations toys being marketed to collectors seems suspicious so far. The stuff that Takara is doing is homaging differing elements of the franchise from the past e.g. Dispensor, G1 Grimlock, stuff that younger fans might not know about. Meanwhile Hasbro's toys are no different than what we've been having for a long time. Does anyone think that Hasbro is just saying that the toys are marketed to collectors, meanwhile knowing that most kids are just going to buy them anyway. I mean is we hadn't been told that it was marketed towards collectors that wouldn't have been anywhere close to my first reaction. Really makes you wonder what's going on behind the scenes.

I think Hasbro's doing 'movie accurate' decos and the part about catering to the adult collectors on Hasbro's part has more to do with the fact that they don't use the same over-simplified transformations as the other movie lines (the flip changers and 2~3 step changers etc.).

I agree that Takara is doing a better job of catering to collectors by homaging past generations of toys/characters, but in my opinion, Takara has pretty much always catered more to collectors than Hasbro, but I think that has more to do with the market in which they compete where many, many adults buy toys and the competition is a lot more fierce, particularly when it comes to transforming robot toys (how many lines of transforming robot toys does Bandai currently have active in Japan right now?).

To be honest, I kinda like the wild colors on some of Hasbro's AoE Dinobot offerings so I'll probably end up getting both versions or just Hasbro's (gotta see more of Takara's to decide whether I'm getting theirs at all or not).

Now, as for the main meat, good ol' Ultra Magnus. It looks like Takara has surpassed my expectations in most respects, though I agree with one comment about the legs. I wish there were a panel to cover up the inner legs of the MP-10 base figure, however if they color it so that it matches the rest of the leg/panel, then it probably won't stand out too much (hopefully), and I'm guessing that's what they did/will do.

Either way, I'm glad I didn't bite on what KFC was selling (not that I really liked the look of it anyway, as there's a lot more wrong with the look of that thing's bot mode than just the head) because Takara appears to have yet again created a true 'masterpiece' and I believe that once the color shots of him start to show up, I won't be staring at another version of Ultra Magnus or another Ultra Magnus toy. It will BE Ultra Magnus .

Oh dude, Ultra Magnus looks sweet. My only concerns are that $190 in the middle of December is going to suck, and his legs look a little plain. But I'm sure once he's in color he'll look amazing.

Not sure why we don't have seperate threads for the discussion, but that Grimlock looks pretty great in those colors. IF it ends up being relatively affordable I might be interested.

mooncake623 wrote:

Cyberpath wrote:

Seibertron wrote:What is the precedence for this alternate head?

It's the sculpting underneath the proper Magnus face. Apparently an homage to this:
http://www.seibertron.com/transformers- ... s/25/2/30/

Looks like an "Easter egg" type of thing.

Isn't that just a picture of Encore UM without it's Magnus head? I don't get it. Homaging people losing UM's head as a kid?

anyway this thing looks awesome! can't wait for pre-orders from Japan so I can finally drop the ridiculous pre-order prices of US retailers.

Homage to the fact that the G1 toy had an "Optimus Prime" head underneath the Ultra Magnus "helmet" piece.

It appears that the MP-22 cab has a built-in Ultra Magnus head instead of the MP-10 one, and that you can take off part of the face revealing this G1 toy homage.



Something like this, but with a piece of the face plate missing.

it's really hard to tell though from the LQ photos.

MP-22:

Looking good! Can't wait to see color test shots. Hopefully that $190 price means US retailers drop their preorder prices a bit. If not, I'm canceling in favor of importing from elsewhere.

I never understood, especially since the Yen has weakened, why the price differential is so high between US and foreign retailers. Since the US retailers have a bulk shipment of these things, shouldn't it be somewhat cheaper than the foreign retailers who have to pay expensive shipping on each individual figure? I'm a bit befuddled, but oh well.

Also, the G1 recolors of the TF4 Dinobots look awesome. Definitely on my wish list.

megatronus wrote:MP-22:

Looking good! Can't wait to see color test shots. Hopefully that $190 price means US retailers drop their preorder prices a bit. If not, I'm canceling in favor of importing from elsewhere.

I never understood, especially since the Yen has weakened, why the price differential is so high between US and foreign retailers. Since the US retailers have a bulk shipment of these things, shouldn't it be somewhat cheaper than the foreign retailers who have to pay expensive shipping on each individual figure? I'm a bit befuddled, but oh well.

Also, the G1 recolors of the TF4 Dinobots look awesome. Definitely on my wish list.

It's called Greed. I suggest importing from Japan. Or even eBay basing out of China/Japan is cheaper.

So is it too early to ask if Hasbro will do a TRU release? Does anyone know at this time? Oh yeah it does look amazing BTW.

Nemesis Destron wrote:So is it too early to ask if Hasbro will do a TRU release? Does anyone know at this time? Oh yeah it does look amazing BTW.

Way too early to know. I doubt we'll know anything solid about their potential domestic MP releases until Botcon at the earliest.

I stopped waiting on Hasbro to do things at MP-12, and I've been very very happy with that decision. It is exponentially easier to order from importers than to track down Hasbro MPs at TRU.

xyl360 wrote:

welcometothedarksyde wrote:You know the movie generations toys being marketed to collectors seems suspicious so far. The stuff that Takara is doing is homaging differing elements of the franchise from the past e.g. Dispensor, G1 Grimlock, stuff that younger fans might not know about. Meanwhile Hasbro's toys are no different than what we've been having for a long time. Does anyone think that Hasbro is just saying that the toys are marketed to collectors, meanwhile knowing that most kids are just going to buy them anyway. I mean is we hadn't been told that it was marketed towards collectors that wouldn't have been anywhere close to my first reaction. Really makes you wonder what's going on behind the scenes.

I think Hasbro's doing 'movie accurate' decos and the part about catering to the adult collectors on Hasbro's part has more to do with the fact that they don't use the same over-simplified transformations as the other movie lines (the flip changers and 2~3 step changers etc.).

I agree that Takara is doing a better job of catering to collectors by homaging past generations of toys/characters, but in my opinion, Takara has pretty much always catered more to collectors than Hasbro, but I think that has more to do with the market in which they compete where many, many adults buy toys and the competition is a lot more fierce, particularly when it comes to transforming robot toys (how many lines of transforming robot toys does Bandai currently have active in Japan right now?).

To be honest, I kinda like the wild colors on some of Hasbro's AoE Dinobot offerings so I'll probably end up getting both versions or just Hasbro's (gotta see more of Takara's to decide whether I'm getting theirs at all or not).

Now, as for the main meat, good ol' Ultra Magnus. It looks like Takara has surpassed my expectations in most respects, though I agree with one comment about the legs. I wish there were a panel to cover up the inner legs of the MP-10 base figure, however if they color it so that it matches the rest of the leg/panel, then it probably won't stand out too much (hopefully), and I'm guessing that's what they did/will do.

Either way, I'm glad I didn't bite on what KFC was selling (not that I really liked the look of it anyway, as there's a lot more wrong with the look of that thing's bot mode than just the head) because Takara appears to have yet again created a true 'masterpiece' and I believe that once the color shots of him start to show up, I won't be staring at another version of Ultra Magnus or another Ultra Magnus toy. It will BE Ultra Magnus .

I understand that much, all I'm saying is that the supposedly "collector oriented" toyline upon inspection doesn't at all resemble such a thing, it resembles a main line. Which makes me wonder what's going on behind the scenes of the marketing department. As you say maybe they're trying to present a dichotomy between the toys for very young kids, and the ones for collectors. I personally think that the collector toys look like they were designed with an 8-12 audience in mind. Not commenting on their quality, and with full understanding of the fact that they're trying to cut cost, but they look like they were designed for kids. My only real guess is that they're trying to 'oversell' kids by presenting the product as if it's for an older audience than would realistically buy it. By saying "collector" older kids might think the toys are cooler, when in reality they're essentially the same product.

ScottyP wrote:I stopped waiting on Hasbro to do things at MP-12, and I've been very very happy with that decision. It is exponentially easier to order from importers than to track down Hasbro MPs at TRU.

absolutely. the only takara MP i passed on so far was grimlock. i dont even remember why, probably just apathy, but i was lucky enough to find the TRU one when was released.

does anyone know what the pricepoint for the MP cars (for example) will be at TRU? i wonder how it stacks up against importing. personally i got all my cars (w/coins and extras) for around 60-65, 15 shipping. pending on extras, hunting time, and gas it probably equals out. plus i dont have to wait to see IF hasbro releases them at all.