Takara Tomy's Mystery "Raiden" Project

Personally I'd rather have an updated version of the figures.

Updated version yes
But I think they should give us proper liokaizer components like liozack and jallguar

STngAR wrote:Personally I'd rather have an updated version of the figures.

How about both?

Seibertron wrote:

STngAR wrote:Personally I'd rather have an updated version of the figures.

How about both?

Dang it, Seibertron. You beat me to it!

Honestly, either a reissue or update would be ballin'. And really, Raiden is one of the last notable G1 Combiner due for an update (the others being Monstructor/Dinoking, natch, and maybe Road Caesar [and maaaaaaaaybe Landcross if you want to go nuts]). At the very least, maybe newer fans will get to know who Raiden is.

I'm ridin' along for this Raiden project.

Would I buy a Raiden reissue? Absolutely.

Would I buy a Generations-style update of Raiden? Absolutely.

Here's hoping they are doing a new set!

And please Takara, if you are, do it as 1 set, not 6 individual releases

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Here's hoping they are doing a new set!

And please Takara, if you are, do it as 1 set, not 6 individual releases

Takara's response:

Hmmm....you know, if they used the previous combiner molds for the Seacons I wouldn't be surprised if they somehow did the same for a Raiden. They downsized the roster for the Liokaiser set and compromised the membership, I could see them doing it here too.

Take the Onslaught mold and the Moonracer mold, tool them a bit, boom, trains.

I really don't want to see that. I want all new molds but man, I'm having trouble seeing them making all new molds in a new unique six member combiner configuration for an exclusive or limited release.

At some point we're going to see new combiners in WFC, and I bet it will be some new evolution of the combiners we saw in CW through PotP. They've improved on everything else so far I can't wait to see how they up the game on combiners, but maybe whatever that evolution is will be something they can make a real groovy six member Raiden out of.

Raiden needs to square off against his arch rivals Devastator and Predaking.

You can't just have Godzilla go up against Gaigan and Megalon alone, you need Jet Jaguar

I haven't watched enough of the Japanese series - who's Raiden's combiner Robin to his Batman?

Stargrave wrote:Hmmm....you know, if they used the previous combiner molds for the Seacons I wouldn't be surprised if they somehow did the same for a Raiden. They downsized the roster for the Liokaiser set and compromised the membership, I could see them doing it here too.

Take the Onslaught mold and the Moonracer mold, tool them a bit, boom, trains.

I really don't want to see that. I want all new molds but man, I'm having trouble seeing them making all new molds in a new unique six member combiner configuration for an exclusive or limited release.

At some point we're going to see new combiners in WFC, and I bet it will be some new evolution of the combiners we saw in CW through PotP. They've improved on everything else so far I can't wait to see how they up the game on combiners, but maybe whatever that evolution is will be something they can make a real groovy six member Raiden out of.

As far as improvements; I would hope for smaller combiner pegs. But that might be hard with needing to be shoulders and knees. We’ve seen both Titan Devastators do some interesting (old fashion) combining that didn’t use the standard sockets.... so we’ll see. Maybe they can pull some tech from the Diaclone reboot.

Stargrave wrote:At some point we're going to see new combiners in WFC,

Indeed. A new Cybertronian Combiner could look really good. Raiden could certainly look really interesting as a Cybertronian train system. Like how Tom Scioli envisioned "The Astrotrain" in Transformers vs. GI Joe.

Stargrave wrote:You can't just have Godzilla go up against Gaigan and Megalon alone, you need Jet Jaguar

I haven't watched enough of the Japanese series - who's Raiden's combiner Robin to his Batman?

He usually fought by himself, most often against just Predaking.

Was he in the same series as Landcross and Road Caesar? What do you think Sabr all new molds for Raiden? What would you bank on?

Stargrave wrote:Was he in the same series as Landcross and Road Caesar?

Nope. Those two came two years later.

Stargrave wrote:What do you think Sabr all new molds for Raiden? What would you bank on?

Raiden needs all new molds to be done right.

Stargrave wrote:Hmmm....you know, if they used the previous combiner molds for the Seacons I wouldn't be surprised if they somehow did the same for a Raiden. They downsized the roster for the Liokaiser set and compromised the membership, I could see them doing it here too.

But you are speaking about 2 different companies. Hasbro downsized the roster for Liokaiser, while takara chose not to touch that combiner since (we are all assuming) they would do it right or not at all. So if they would do a new Raiden, I would think everything would be new. Takara has done totally new combiners on their own in the past already.

Sabrblade wrote:

Stargrave wrote:What do you think Sabr all new molds for Raiden? What would you bank on?

Raiden needs all new molds to be done right.

Agreed. No one else is even remotely designed in the same way as the Train Bots. Even the bulkiest of the Combiner Teams - The Constructicons - aren't even remotely close...

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Stargrave wrote:What do you think Sabr all new molds for Raiden? What would you bank on?

Raiden needs all new molds to be done right.

Agreed. No one else is even remotely designed in the same way as the Train Bots. Even the bulkiest of the Combiner Teams - The Constructicons - aren't even remotely close...

Agreed, Takara will want to do it right, as in new/correct molds, or just re-issue. That isn't to say they won't economize in their designs, where both leg bots could be retools/reshells of each other, and same with the arm bots.

About the only thing I can see them re-using would possibly be some weapons and a combiner fist from one of the previous combiners. I'm fine with that type of re-use, but they had better make the leg bots use the front of the trains for the feet instead of a combiner foot. I need my Raiden to have choo-choo toes.

I'm ready for trains man. And i am ready for more trainbots to join my non-combining Shouki

If they go make new toys, would the models be updated, especially those of Shouki and Yukikaze who were 0-series and 200-series Shinkansen respectively? Which models are currently riding on the Tokaido and Tohoku/Joetsu/Hokuriku lines?

Also, Shinkalion crossover?

I imagine if it's an all new combiner that they'd try to match the size of Predaking and Devastator as they were listed / depicted as the Trainbots main adversaries.

If they're retools, then I fully expect them to be normal CW / UW size.

"Titan Raiden" sorta rhymes, so I'd be down with that.

Here's a thought that's kinda scary. If we do get a new Raiden, how would it be budgeted? I mean, Devastator and Predaking were designed and budgeted as a whole set, not figure by figure like the rest of the CW line, and the differences are really noticeable in engineering. Can't comment on material, I own neither of them (I'm hoping Ross will get Predaking later)

I'm hoping a Titan budget

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Here's a thought that's kinda scary. If we do get a new Raiden, how would it be budgeted? I mean, Devastator and Predaking were designed and budgeted as a whole set, not figure by figure like the rest of the CW line, and the differences are really noticeable in engineering. Can't comment on material, I own neither of them (I'm hoping Ross will get Predaking later)

I still think Devastator (well particularly the Unite Warriors version) is one of the best Titans we've gotten. The individual figures on their own are not great, they're good (particularly the TakaraTomy versions). But the combined form together is really excellent. Barring kind of thin upper arms, I think he's pretty much perfect.

Predaking is less so, but he's still quite a feat.

Event officially starts tonight, but there is already a display setup. The text mentions that Masterpiece Raiden is coming.

https://twitter.com/takaratomytoys/stat ... 56000?s=19



I imagine he'll be something like Unite Warriors Devastator.

Oh, this just escalated in a wonderful way.

Takara Tomy is attending a Japanese railroad toys show and they have many toys from their Plarail line on display. They also have a poster featuring Transformers Raiden in silhouette along with the G1 figures nearby. Fellow Seibertronian Powered Convoy sent us this info and says that the text on the poster "mentions that Masterpiece Raiden is coming". Still, take this with a grain of salt since we don't know exactly what that would mean for combiners in the MP line. We will update you when we learn more.

I'd have been incredibly happy with a reissue or a titan sized combiner...but MP raiden has made me incredibly happy with a very sad wallet.

Imagine how much it’d cost to buy 4 raidens to display like that. It’d be cool if they made a masterpiece raiden, but I’d rather get a generations one or a reissue so I don’t break the bank.

MP Raiden!?! Wow, that's out of left field! Still, sounds kinda cool, and the anime trilogy designs were less simplistic than the Western G1 designs, so hopefully they'll turn out looking nice and not too underdetailed.

Not sure I'd buy the whole set, but a single trainbot would be nice to have.

A re-issue would likely still be expensive but nowhere near as expensive as a Masterpiece not to mention would Raiden transform into six train cars and that is it or would all six care transform into six different robots.

This is gonna hurt the bank account hard. Might have to pass and let my train loving self just keep hoping for a Rail Racer once Titan scorponok gets done.

On he one hand, I don’t want MP Raiden; I want the Season 1/2 cast completed. But at the same time.... MP RAIDEN YES PLEASE

Mp Raiden? Hmm I would love to have it but at the same time I wonder if this will turn out more like unite warriors Devesator (I.e something that that will be as close to masterpiece as possible)

ZeroWolf wrote:Mp Raiden? Hmm I would love to have it but at the same time I wonder if this will turn out more like unite warriors Devesator (I.e something that that will be as close to masterpiece as possible)

I'm thinking something similar too.

never have I ever been so sad about being a child with no abillity to get money

Aaarnhide19 wrote:Imagine how much it’d cost to buy 4 raidens to display like that. It’d be cool if they made a masterpiece raiden, but I’d rather get a generations one or a reissue so I don’t break the bank.

I agree. I would prefer a Generations Raiden that utilized the Combiner Wars ports and solved the problem of using two deluxes for the torso instead of 1 voyager, which could make way for a lot of other uses for the 6 Transformer combiners.

"Masterpiece Raiden"
 

I was hoping for a *mistranslation*, but seeing the MP Prime and BB next to their originla counterparts is pretty convincing.

This is sad, because I'd really like a Raiden set, but was hoping it would be part of the Selects line, or anything to do with the generations line over the next 2 years. Being 2021's Titan (Much like UW/CW Devastator) would be ideal.

MP toys look beautiful, but are way too pricey. I'm still holding out hope for a Generations/Selects release.

Considering the previous stance on MP Gestalts, as a potential "one-off", MP Raiden makes sense. As it isn't tied to Sunbow or the original Western toyline. The possibility of MP Train Bots has piqued my interest far more than MP Devastator, Defensor or Predaking ever would.

Mindmaster wrote:On the one hand, I don’t want MP Raiden; I want the Season 1/2 cast completed.

At this rate, I think you have more chance of a lottery win ...with no ticket

From what I'm able to read and translate, Masterpiece is involved in the planning process for the project. We can safely assume that the end product will be Masterpiece-like in techniques used, but I don't think TakaraTomy knows what it wants yet. In which case, it's better to start high, then dumb down until a more desirable price point can be reached.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:From what I'm able to read and translate, Masterpiece is involved in the planning process for the project. We can safely assume that the end product will be Masterpiece-like in techniques used, but I don't think TakaraTomy knows what it wants yet. In which case, it's better to start high, then dumb down until a more desirable price point can be reached.

So yeah probably will be like unite warriors Devesator then. We'll find out soon enough anyway...now how many people would be annoyed if Hasbro imported it for the 2022 titan bug removed elbows from the individual robots

I bet a MP Raiden would be over 1000$ as a set. :/

This is potentially very cool news! Bring on MP Trainbots, sounds like a blast to me.

ZeroWolf wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:From what I'm able to read and translate, Masterpiece is involved in the planning process for the project. We can safely assume that the end product will be Masterpiece-like in techniques used, but I don't think TakaraTomy knows what it wants yet. In which case, it's better to start high, then dumb down until a more desirable price point can be reached.

So yeah probably will be like unite warriors Devesator then. We'll find out soon enough anyway...now how many people would be annoyed if Hasbro imported it for the 2022 titan bug removed elbows from the individual robots

I'd be surprised yet annoyed. Surprised that Hasbro actually takes an explicit interest in trains, let alone foreign models, annoyed they'd be out of my price range either way

william-james88 wrote:

For shits and giggles I ran the image through Google Lens and it spat this out.

Google Translate wrote:Transformers
Commercialization is decided with the best brand of transformers "Masterpiece" series!
Leiden project started!

I really want to see what happens with this, this sounds exciting! Raiden gets an update, and it's basically an MP!