Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece MP-22 Ultra Magnus RobotKingdom.com Preorder and Official Images

Cyberpath wrote:Pre-orders are up on HLJ! With their discount it comes out to $141. A December release.

And pre-ordered, thanks for pointing it out.

And, not only does it look better, and is official but it's also cheaper than KFC's.
I cannot wait.

Burn wrote:

kirbenvost wrote:Okay, where's the discussion for Grimlock?

Unfortunately it's locked up in this topic.

I'm getting everything to link to this thread instead, moved out all the posts pertaining to Grimlock and the clear Targetmasters.

amiami

http://www.amiami.com/top/detail/detail ... agecnt%3D1

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hobbysearch

http://www.1999.co.jp/eng/10273140

UM MP-22 (clearer pics)












ETA mid December 2014

Price range Y 14500 to Y 15300 (around $ 140.00 +) not including shipping

So this might be taking a page from IDW then? The cab serves as a transitional mounting figure for the armor and not a white "naked" Convoy? Either way.....this fig is going to make me go on a diet this coming New Year.

I like how the gun stores in between the 'arms' on the carrier.

looks like Magnus wont have chromed smokestacks...

megatronus wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Hey megatronus, your "Optimus inside Ultra Magnus" image changed.

All I have to say is:




The image appears the same on my screen, but looking at the BBTS product page I sourced the image from... it's different.

I have no idea what's going on...

Well, it looks to me like, since BBTS changed their original source picture, your hotlinked image changed with it since the source code for it is directly connected to BBTS instead of uploaded to a different image host.

I apologize if this is beating a dead horse, but will this be shorter than KFC's figure standing up in robot mode?

Based on the pics, looks like it.

Trikeboy wrote:

Seibertron wrote:

Trikeboy wrote:Spike again? That is now three Masterpiece Spike figures. Why not use Carly?

I imagine it'll be adult Spike and Daniel with their "futuristic" white suits from the Animated 1986 movie, the 3rd season and Headmasters.

Yeah, I'm sure it will with Daniel being included it's just the third time they have done the character. Also, am I the only one who see's this:

That would be cool, if it's colored like that. I feel like the camera angle is not capturing the nose and details right because the inner head can't look that bad, right?


No big gun for Ultra Magnus?

There are a few things I don't like about the design but only one that really bothers me - the roof of the cab hanging off his waist. This seems like an unnecessary design because based on the hinge line, the roof could have been designed to fold up onto the windshield and out of the way. I really hope he is just mistransformed because there is no reason why Ultra Magnus needs to be sporting suit jacket tails.

xMXUx wrote:looks like Magnus wont have chromed smokestacks...

Actually he might, all the chrome parts here on the proto seem to be taken from an MP10.

The front wheels of this proto here seem to also be taken from an MP10, look at the pice, it's the exact same as the piece on MP10, it's even still red with the silver trimming.

It's weird, because we know it doesn't have a white MP10 robot, yet it shares the pieces that become its sides.

Can't wait to see colour shots and a few detailed in hand pics that let us guess at it's transformation more.

Anime-export has this for $121. But you have to pay upfront. which I did. =D


http://www.anime-export.com/product/19423

I find it rather disturbing that I've come to this conclusion, but... the lack of an internal white cab robot figure is a deal breaker to me as a 'Masterpiece' figure in this line.

I think we can now put the whole claim of wanting to finish the 84 an 85 guys up before moving on as no-longer the case. After all, the original excuse for this coming out now was that it's just a repaint of MP10 with armor.

mooncake623 wrote:Anime-export has this for $121. But you have to pay upfront. which I did. =D


http://www.anime-export.com/product/19423

What was the total with shipping?

Also, HLJ patrons: what do you think shipping at HLJ will be on Magnus, based on prior experience?

I havn't wanted a Masterpiece so badly since Soundwave. My only worry is that his legs don't look too secure.

Dead Metal wrote:I think we can now put the whole claim of wanting to finish the 84 an 85 guys up before moving on as no-longer the case. After all, the original excuse for this coming out now was that it's just a repaint of MP10 with armor.

True enough. Now bring on Blurr, Kup, Arcee, and Wheelie!

And a smaller Hot Rod. Seriously. In magenta.

can't wait for this guy's release.. one small thing that bothers me a bit is that the gun is too faithful to the toy's gun (not sure how it was portrayed in the cartoon). The post at the top of the gun was there so that it fit in the optimus prime cab's fists. Aesthetically it always bothered me, even when I had got my UM as a kid. I reckon they could've done without it or made it more streamlined like a normal gun handle.

Dead Metal wrote:

xMXUx wrote:looks like Magnus wont have chromed smokestacks...

Actually he might, all the chrome parts here on the proto seem to be taken from an MP10.

The front wheels of this proto here seem to also be taken from an MP10, look at the pice, it's the exact same as the piece on MP10, it's even still red with the silver trimming.

It's weird, because we know it doesn't have a white MP10 robot, yet it shares the pieces that become its sides.

Can't wait to see colour shots and a few detailed in hand pics that let us guess at it's transformation more.

Good point. Let's hope you're right.

Dead Metal wrote:I think we can now put the whole claim of wanting to finish the 84 an 85 guys up before moving on as no-longer the case. After all, the original excuse for this coming out now was that it's just a repaint of MP10 with armor.

This^

Dead Metal wrote:I think we can now put the whole claim of wanting to finish the 84 an 85 guys up before moving on as no-longer the case. After all, the original excuse for this coming out now was that it's just a repaint of MP10 with armor.

That may have been the original plan but it evolved when they got wind of Citizen Stack and set out to totally out do it, which going by the pics, they have done. This is definitely a case of showing them how it's done.

megatronus wrote:

mooncake623 wrote:Anime-export has this for $121. But you have to pay upfront. which I did. =D


http://www.anime-export.com/product/19423

What was the total with shipping?

Also, HLJ patrons: what do you think shipping at HLJ will be on Magnus, based on prior experience?

Not sure, they charge you shipping when it comes in stock, same with HLJ. Depends on weight but I find shipping out of Japan is usually cheaper than shipping out of China and HK. I believe I was charged 20 bucks for shipping MP Ratbat with soundblaster from HLJ

Dead Metal wrote:I think we can now put the whole claim of wanting to finish the 84 an 85 guys up before moving on as no-longer the case. After all, the original excuse for this coming out now was that it's just a repaint of MP10 with armor.

I was thinking the same thing. I am sure that more Autobot cars will be done, but it's no longer set in stone that they must be done before any other character later in the series.

The cab is a new mold. The panel lines dobt matxh with MP-10

Trikeboy wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:I think we can now put the whole claim of wanting to finish the 84 an 85 guys up before moving on as no-longer the case. After all, the original excuse for this coming out now was that it's just a repaint of MP10 with armor.

That may have been the original plan but it evolved when they got wind of Citizen Stack and set out to totally out do it, which going by the pics, they have done. This is definitely a case of showing them how it's done.

Personally, I'd rather TT put out good product, not Grandstand against competition. (Of course I understand the business side of that...)
However, to be fair Stack was never a thought for me. Everything was pointing to an MP Magnus being built around MP 10. Stack had no chance for me, because I love the play ability and options of the original toy (just to add; I don't like what Dreamwave started. For me, Ultra Magnus was always the big blue and red dude, the character born when combining cab and trailer. I guess I saw the cab robot as more of a drone, like Magnus had the added ability to seperate into components for various reasons. It didn't detract from Magnus to me, it added something cool)
However, after the reveal of this...I did give Stack a look, because now I had options. When the products were different things there was no competition for me-now I thought 'right, let's see who is doing it best'. I'll be honest, from what we have seen so far, Stack seems to have a lot of pluses over this. I like how Stack solved the shoulder articulation issue for one. I also like that whilst Stack has the cab at the back, it does add form, as opposed to Takara's which pretty much flat packs the cab like a cardboard box and hangs it down to his backside like a cape, because hell, where else do we put it?

Stak is simpler in approach, yes. But something about a lot of the moving parts on this guy don't make him better, they just look more pretentious and complex.
Don't get me wrong, ultimately I wouldn't buy Stack. He doesn't look like G1 Magnus enough. I have stuck with Takara's MP's because they give me what I look for-the guys from the cartoon I grew up with. Takara have done that. I also love the attention to little details, and the matrix chamber is awesome. But if Stack wasn't designed by a third party, who is to say he couldn't look just as cartoon accurate? What I mean is, Stack's approach could easily have the cartoon aesthetic. It's design is not the cause of the lack of cartoon accuracy, they simply had to (or chose to) avoid cartoon
accuracy. Stack is weirdly tall and thin, I'll give you that. He looks...stretched...

I know I'm speculating based on early prototypes and lack of different angles and information. I want to be wrong here, but this is my honest thought at this point. I will buy MP-22 regardless, it's still awesome (And better than Stack) it isn't what I wanted, it isn't what seemed to be originally hinted by Mr. Hasui, who all the way back from MP-10's release couldn't help but point out how he had designed Convoy with Magnus in mind (possibly mis-interpreted or translated, but he did say it a few times I think, so I believe it).

If Takara want to present Magnus faithful to the 'impression' the cartoon gave, then fine. Either choice would make sense to somebody. I just can't help but think they have gone the long and weirdly complex way about it, which from here makes him look thin and ready to fly like super man. (again, hopefully I'm wrong and this thing kicks my balls into orbit)

I realise it's time for me to start dodging bullets now, but this is the first MP I have ever spoken of negatively (and hastily at that)...first time for everything right? Right?

Trikeboy wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:I think we can now put the whole claim of wanting to finish the 84 an 85 guys up before moving on as no-longer the case. After all, the original excuse for this coming out now was that it's just a repaint of MP10 with armor.

That may have been the original plan but it evolved when they got wind of Citizen Stack and set out to totally out do it, which going by the pics, they have done. This is definitely a case of showing them how it's done.

I doubt this release has anything to do with KFC personally. Hasbro put out two versions of MP-10 now, Takara moves on to Ultra Magnus. Makes sense to me.

Va'al wrote:

Burn wrote:

kirbenvost wrote:Okay, where's the discussion for Grimlock?

Unfortunately it's locked up in this topic.

I'm getting everything to link to this thread instead, moved out all the posts pertaining to Grimlock and the clear Targetmasters.

Cool, thanks!

Doctor McGrath wrote:

Trikeboy wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:I think we can now put the whole claim of wanting to finish the 84 an 85 guys up before moving on as no-longer the case. After all, the original excuse for this coming out now was that it's just a repaint of MP10 with armor.

That may have been the original plan but it evolved when they got wind of Citizen Stack and set out to totally out do it, which going by the pics, they have done. This is definitely a case of showing them how it's done.

I doubt this release has anything to do with KFC personally. Hasbro put out two versions of MP-10 now, Takara moves on to Ultra Magnus. Makes sense to me.

It also wouldn't make any sense if this was done in response to KFC, just not enough time.
It takes over a year to get a toy from concept drawing to finished product. KFC announced theirs a few months ago when everything had already been finalized, they started production right after the poll for its size were done.
At the time of that poll Takara was already working on Ultra Magnus. It's more a coincidence really.
I believe that the original plan was that he was a repaint of MP10 with armor, but was changed during the concept stages. After all, there is the matter of MP10 having apparently been designed with UM armor in mind, and there was the mock up using the G1 trailer.

Besides if KFC was such a big competition to Takara that they feel the need to change their product accordingly, then why aren't they putting pout everything KFC is doing, like the cassettes?

From how I see it, I'd imagine that the project for MP-22 originally did begin with it being an armored MP-10 (after all, we did see Hasui Tweet a photo that hinted at MP Magnus being exactly that), but a change in plans might have occurred along the way for reasons we don't know, which resulted in them going the extra mile of creating an almost fully new mold figure that takes show-accuracy up to the eleven by having it transform straight from Vehicle to Super Robot while omitting the non-show Standard Robot.

What, exactly, the reasons for the change were I can't say. Maybe they figured doing an armored MP-10 was too difficult a task for them to do when trying to maintain their standards of show-accuracy. Maybe the end result of armoring up MP-10 just wasn't up to snuff with their creative visions for this figure. Maybe the figured that it would be easier or simply more beneficial for them to forgo trying to work the Standard Robot of the MP-10 mold into the Super Robot armor, and instead just remove it in favor of easing the transformation from Vehicle to Super Robot.

Whatever the reason, they also probably figured that, despite creating a nearly all new mold for this figure, since they were already this far into the project, they might as well stick to their commitments and finish it, even if it isn't a 1984 character. But, it still does borrow some elements from MP-10, so like Alert, Tigertrack, G2 Lambor, Soundblaster, and Smokescreen, they were able to do this figure partly because of MP-10's existence, and MP-10 is a 1984 character mold.

I'd really like them to continue with the year one cast, but am happy to see Ultra Magnus. If they happen to also make a certain Decepticon to hold onto the top of his cab as he turtles down an overpass, all the better.

You know what would really make this a "masterpiece" to me? Is if it came with a slide down or fold down visor similar to Generations Metroplex so that you can do the visor eye look for Magnus. For some reason I always picture Magnus with the visor and not with regular eyes. And now that I refreshed myself via Google images, I see why ... he's got the visor in the cartoon and the G1 toy has the eyes.

Seibertron wrote:You know what would really make this a "masterpiece" to me? Is if it came with a slide down or fold down visor similar to Generations Metroplex so that you can do the visor eye look for Magnus. For some reason I always picture Magnus with the visor and not with regular eyes. And now that I refreshed myself via Google images, I see why ... he's got the visor in the cartoon and the G1 toy has the eyes.

What? No he didn't. He had eyes in the cartoon. They were just really big. It's not a visor if the nose fully divides it:








Same in Japan:

That is one seriously hefty lookin UM! He's enormous.....in a girthy sorta way. Just big blocky chunks of plastic that remarkably enough look ergonomic and not brickish. Well done. Looking forward to some color pics.

Speaking of hefty, I'm sure the price tag will be much the same.

Sabrblade wrote:From how I see it, I'd imagine that the project for MP-22 originally did begin with it being an armored MP-10 (after all, we did see Hasui Tweet a photo that hinted at MP Magnus being exactly that), but a change in plans might have occurred along the way for reasons we don't know, which resulted in them going the extra mile of creating an almost fully new mold figure that takes show-accuracy up to the eleven by having it transform straight from Vehicle to Super Robot while omitting the non-show Standard Robot.

What, exactly, the reasons for the change were I can't say. Maybe they figured doing an armored MP-10 was too difficult a task for them to do when trying to maintain their standards of show-accuracy. Maybe the end result of armoring up MP-10 just wasn't up to snuff with their creative visions for this figure. Maybe the figured that it would be easier or simply more beneficial for them to forgo trying to work the Standard Robot of the MP-10 mold into the Super Robot armor, and instead just remove it in favor of easing the transformation from Vehicle to Super Robot.

Whatever the reason, they also probably figured that, despite creating a nearly all new mold for this figure, since they were already this far into the project, they might as well stick to their commitments and finish it, even if it isn't a 1984 character. But, it still does borrow some elements from MP-10, so like Alert, Tigertrack, G2 Lambor, Soundblaster, and Smokescreen, they were able to do this figure partly because of MP-10's existence, and MP-10 is a 1984 character mold.

I agree with you both. I don't think there is any way to keep show accuracy by putting armor onto MP-10. The figure would just end up being too big. I'm happy with the decisions made and the way it turned out.

Seibertron wrote:You know what would really make this a "masterpiece" to me? Is if it came with a slide down or fold down visor similar to Generations Metroplex so that you can do the visor eye look for Magnus. For some reason I always picture Magnus with the visor and not with regular eyes. And now that I refreshed myself via Google images, I see why ... he's got the visor in the cartoon and the G1 toy has the eyes.

Amazon Japan exclusive visor? Doctor Wu maybe?

sorry... but i couldnt help myself...

I sincerely cannot recall having ever seen G1 Ultra Magnus with a visor.

Sabrblade wrote:I sincerely cannot recall having ever seen G1 Ultra Magnus with a visor.

Me neither, he's always had eyes, really big eyes at times, but never an actual wisor, you could say he had shades though.

Sabrblade wrote:

Seibertron wrote:You know what would really make this a "masterpiece" to me? Is if it came with a slide down or fold down visor similar to Generations Metroplex so that you can do the visor eye look for Magnus. For some reason I always picture Magnus with the visor and not with regular eyes. And now that I refreshed myself via Google images, I see why ... he's got the visor in the cartoon and the G1 toy has the eyes.

What? No he didn't. He had eyes in the cartoon. They were just really big. It's not a visor if the nose fully divides it:








Same in Japan:

They look like 1980's sunglasses. Raybans!

Sheesh, even MP Magnus's butt flap is show-accurately shaped:





Also, someone came up with this idea as to how the arms transform:

looking at the pics and looking at my MP prime the Ultramagnus cab looks different in the way
some parts are look at where the trailer connects to the cab and compare it to Prime its significantly different plus on the cab it looks like the windows are not split and were the arms on prime would go theres nothing indicating shoulder joints
i dont think there is a smaller robot the way that prime looks

Magnus had a visor in the comics sometimes.

craggy wrote:Magnus had a visor in the comics sometimes.

Got any pics or know of any cases of this?

Sabrblade wrote:

craggy wrote:Magnus had a visor in the comics sometimes.

Got any pics or know of any cases of this?

had a look on his wiki page, can't see any where it goes over the bridge of his nose. know what? you're probably right.

Can't believe he's so cheap I don't know where to preorder him. I was waiting to see whether he comes with Amazon Exclusive or not. MP WJ/BB amazon exclusive were announced real quick after their prototype pic, so maybe UM does not come with one just like Smokscreen...

REMINATOR wrote:Can't believe he's so cheap I don't know where to preorder him. I was waiting to see whether he comes with Amazon Exclusive or not. MP WJ/BB amazon exclusive were announced real quick after their prototype pic, so maybe UM does not come with one just like Smokscreen...

he already comes with enough goodies, so i assume he'll just have a coin.

1st time ordering from Nippon-Yasan.com aka NY, using their pay later option for 129.59, 30 EMS shipping = 160 to NYC. Hopefully their customer service is good and no issue with the transaction like I had with RK. Can't wait to have MP22 from NY.

Now that you mention it, what could be the potential "exclusive" accessory that might come with UM?

For Lambor it was those pile drivers, SW, the energon cubes. Maybe Magnus will come with his own matrix?

fenrir72 wrote:Now that you mention it, what could be the potential "exclusive" accessory that might come with UM?

For Lambor it was those pile drivers, SW, the energon cubes. Maybe Magnus will come with his own matrix?

Doesn't one of these pics show that he already comes with his own Matrix?

But that does raise a good question. What, if any, items has Magnus been shown to wield in episode episodes of season 3 or The Headmasters, that he doesn't already come with?

These are some of the scenarios we could get:
1. The Bomb from fight or flee
2. The Matrix
3. His Human self from Only Human or Jessica Morgan or the dude who sink for C Minor (these 2 people did ride inside UM cab)
4. Another face expression e.g. Open damn it, open, to go with his 2nd hand/ or more articulated hand (I think)
5. 2 small PVC of Hook and Scrapper for him to hold as in Carnage C Minor
6. A red bumper clip to go on top of his existing bumper if it's not red
7. Maybe a hammer even though he never use in G1
8. Autobot flag as seen from DW WW: Age of Wrath
9. Or maybe he doesn't come with one just MP Smokescreen

Amazon Japan has this guy going for roughly $135.00 dollars at the moment. Thats low enough for me to buy it !