Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece Inferno Figure King Magazine Scans with Ladder Trick
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Posted by Autobot N on June 23rd, 2016 @ 7:07pm CDT
Posted by Sigma Magnus on June 23rd, 2016 @ 7:08pm CDT
Posted by -Kanrabat- on June 23rd, 2016 @ 7:10pm CDT
Cyberpath wrote:
Okay fanboys. Try to complain again about something THIS time.
Posted by Bumblebee21 on June 23rd, 2016 @ 7:20pm CDT
-Kanrabat- wrote:Cyberpath wrote:
Okay fanboys. Try to complain again about something THIS time.
Okay he's too blocky and fat
just kidding actually he's great
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on June 23rd, 2016 @ 7:22pm CDT
Posted by Ironhidensh on June 23rd, 2016 @ 7:30pm CDT
-Kanrabat- wrote:Cyberpath wrote:
Okay fanboys. Try to complain again about something THIS time.
Needs rubber tires.
Posted by william-james88 on June 23rd, 2016 @ 7:50pm CDT
-Kanrabat- wrote:
Okay fanboys. Try to complain again about something THIS time.
Easy:
- I am not fond of the lack of detailing. I understand everything being flat on a cartoon model but on a toy it just looks off to me.
- Speaking of being too cartoon accurate, I am not too fond of the alt mode's sides. Its clearly the arms and I dont know how it will look from an overhead view. Of course the G1 toy couldnt be a perfect fire truck and the show model imitated it, but now that means the MP has a very dodgy alt mode.
Posted by Springer on June 23rd, 2016 @ 8:22pm CDT
william-james88 wrote:-Kanrabat- wrote:
Okay fanboys. Try to complain again about something THIS time.
Easy:
- I am not fond of the lack of detailing. I understand everything being flat on a cartoon model but on a toy it just looks off to me.
- Speaking of being too cartoon accurate, I am not too fond of the alt mode's sides. Its clearly the arms and I dont know how it will look from an overhead view. Of course the G1 toy couldnt be a perfect fire truck and the show model imitated it, but now that means the MP has a very dodgy alt mode.
Wa-a-a-a-a-h!!!! It's too right!!!! -Billy -Jim88
Posted by padfoo on June 23rd, 2016 @ 8:32pm CDT
Posted by -Kanrabat- on June 23rd, 2016 @ 8:37pm CDT
It's perfectly cartoon accurate, and that's what the MP line is all about. You werent complaining about Primal's gorilla mode if I recall.
Also, this is pretty damn close to the original truck anyway.
Posted by william-james88 on June 23rd, 2016 @ 8:41pm CDT
Springer wrote:
Wa-a-a-a-a-h!!!! It's too right!!!! -Billy -Jim88
Calm your horses, I was just humouring the guy
Posted by Emerje on June 23rd, 2016 @ 8:50pm CDT
-Kanrabat- wrote:Also, this is pretty damn close to the original truck anyway
That's a shorter hose truck, not the bigger ladder truck with the extra tires in back. This is as close as we'll likely find.
Emerje
Posted by -Kanrabat- on June 23rd, 2016 @ 9:02pm CDT
Emerje wrote:Out. Of. The. Park! They really nailed this one, he looks perfect to me all around.-Kanrabat- wrote:Also, this is pretty damn close to the original truck anyway
That's a shorter hose truck, not the bigger ladder truck with the extra tires in back. This is as close as we'll likely find.
Emerje
Your Google-fu is better than mine.
Posted by Blozor on June 23rd, 2016 @ 9:14pm CDT
I was turned off from Ocular Max's as soon as I found out he was no bigger than Ironhide in alt-mode. A fire truck should not be the same height as a small van.
I was considering taking a chance on X-Transbots' because the fire truck was about the right size and the detail was supposed to be real-world accurate, but I canceled that as soon as I saw the ladder trick on the official version.
Now my only reservation is the size, but since I very rarely convert them to save wear, I suppose it's not a dealbreaker, but I would like to know the alt-mode wouldn't look ridiculous next to the others if I did decide to display them that way for whatever reason.
Posted by Sabrblade on June 23rd, 2016 @ 10:32pm CDT
But... that's not just show-accuracy, it's also toy accuracy:william-james88 wrote:- Speaking of being too cartoon accurate, I am not too fond of the alt mode's sides. Its clearly the arms and I dont know how it will look from an overhead view. Of course the G1 toy couldnt be a perfect fire truck and the show model imitated it, but now that means the MP has a very dodgy alt mode.
Whether cartoon or toy, that's just how Inferno's altmode is.
Posted by william-james88 on June 23rd, 2016 @ 10:38pm CDT
Sabrblade wrote:But... that's not just show-accuracy, it's also toy accuracywilliam-james88 wrote:- Speaking of being too cartoon accurate, I am not too fond of the alt mode's sides. Its clearly the arms and I dont know how it will look from an overhead view. Of course the G1 toy couldnt be a perfect fire truck and the show model imitated it, but now that means the MP has a very dodgy alt mode.
Whether cartoon or toy, that's just how Inferno's altmode is.
Thats what I said. The animation model was based on the toy, so with the MP referring to the show model, it send up being accurate to the toy as well.
Posted by Sabrblade on June 23rd, 2016 @ 10:56pm CDT
Posted by Cyberpath on June 24th, 2016 @ 2:53am CDT
(But where I'm going to put Inferno and Grapple? Need more shelf space!) (And now I want a "properly" retooled Red Alert even more.)
Do you guys think 3P was a factor in Takara's character choice or that it was just a coincidence? Could this be Takara's way of eliminating the "competition?" Like "there are three 3P infernos. None of them has a magic ladder, or the ability to turn their heads with the wings, or interchanging heads and bumpers. And none are as accurate. So the next time a wannabe MP comes along be patient and wait for the real deal."
Waiting for them to one up the 3P Megatrons personally. ;)
Posted by xMXUx on June 24th, 2016 @ 3:52am CDT
Posted by Ravage XK on June 24th, 2016 @ 5:43am CDT
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on June 24th, 2016 @ 8:09am CDT
Cyberpath wrote:Do you guys think 3P was a factor in Takara's character choice or that it was just a coincidence? Could this be Takara's way of eliminating the "competition?" Like "there are three 3P infernos. None of them has a magic ladder, or the ability to turn their heads with the wings, or interchanging heads and bumpers. And none are as accurate. So the next time a wannabe MP comes along be patient and wait for the real deal."
Waiting for them to one up the 3P Megatrons personally.
you guys did one, we'll do you one and maybe more better
I would not doubt that.
Posted by Optimustard on June 24th, 2016 @ 8:11am CDT
where is jazz?
I could make more money on toys that haven't already successfully been produced, marketed, and sold already by 3rd parties. That being said good job on a toy that someone already did a passable job on.
Posted by -Kanrabat- on June 24th, 2016 @ 8:19am CDT
Optimustard wrote::HEADHURTS: where is trailbreaker?
where is jazz?
I could make more money on toys that haven't already successfully been produced, marketed, and sold already by 3rd parties. That being said good job on a toy that someone already did a passable job on.
By that logic, the ORIGINAL CREATORS of Transformers should just close shop and give the keys to 3rd party companies.
Posted by Optimustard on June 24th, 2016 @ 8:31am CDT
It's just good business. I want Takara to be around for a very long time.
Posted by Optimustard on June 24th, 2016 @ 8:36am CDT
Posted by -Kanrabat- on June 24th, 2016 @ 8:43am CDT
Optimustard wrote:Actually by that logic Takara should give fans toys that they want rather than what they already have.
It's just good business. I want Takara to be around for a very long time.
Your logic is completely flawed. YOU are not "the fans". What most fans want are the official products. The REAL DEAL is what get to increase in value over time and leave it's mark in the Transformers Legacy. 3P products will NEVER be the same as the real deal, no matter how good they get. It's a great alternative for the impatient with much money to burn. However, once the real product is out, the 3rP toy get burried and forgotten.
To make you understand, what if I made a "Star Wars" movie that is amazing, but with the names changed for corpyrights reasons. So, Disney should just cancel Episode 8 because of that? Are you getting your nonsense? If you prefer 3rP products, fine. But don't pretend that the thing YOU like should be the only thing available.
Anyway, we're getting way off topic here.
Posted by -Kanrabat- on June 24th, 2016 @ 8:48am CDT
Optimustard wrote:Takara should already have molds for all of the g1 line and snipe the third parties before they can release theirs.
Unfortunately, many of the G1 molds are too damaged or even destroyed. That's why the Dinobots and several others were never re-issued. Still, K.O companies have reverse-engeneered these molds and these K.Os are out as "reissues" on Ebay. Takara could do this as well, but it may be because the ressources are used to make more new things than old ones.
Optimustard wrote:I like third parties because they force takara to up their game
That, we can agree on. Let's hope the recent Appolion will force them to make a new MP Megatron.
Posted by william-james88 on June 24th, 2016 @ 9:09am CDT
-Kanrabat- wrote:Optimustard wrote:Takara should already have molds for all of the g1 line and snipe the third parties before they can release theirs.
Unfortunately, many of the G1 molds are too damaged or even destroyed. That's why the Dinobots and several others were never re-issued. Still, K.O companies have reverse-engeneered these molds and these K.Os are out as "reissues" on Ebay. Takara could do this as well, but it may be because the ressources are used to make more new things than old ones.
Pretty sure he meant Takara should have released MP molds for all the G1 main characters before the 3 p companies have a chance.
But I am of the other mind. I am ok with 3 p companies doing it first. Fans can either wait for takara or buy placeholders and takara can take their time and learn from other people's mistakes. I wouldnt be able to afford all the MPs if they came out all at once. This year is crazy enough.
Posted by -Kanrabat- on June 24th, 2016 @ 9:29am CDT
william-james88 wrote:I am ok with 3 p companies doing it first. Fans can either wait for takara or buy placeholders and takara can take their time and learn from other people's mistakes. I wouldnt be able to afford all the MPs if they came out all at once. This year is crazy enough.
That, I agree 100%. The early impatient bird will get the 3rd Party figure. The patient one will wait for the official MP.
Also, it's not just about MP. Regular figures can blow 3p figures out of the water. Just look at Generations Springer or most of the Combiner Wars line. Many GREAT 3p figures drop down in price dramatically just because the official is out and everyone are selling their 3p figures. That's why I could get the Energon Bruticus team with the 3P "Swindle" and "Blastoff" and all the accessories for peanuts.
Posted by Big Grim on June 24th, 2016 @ 9:37am CDT
It all comes down to personal preference. There's no right or wrong here.
Posted by -Kanrabat- on June 24th, 2016 @ 9:44am CDT
Big Grim wrote:It all comes down to personal preference. There's no right or wrong here.
Posted by Evil Eye on June 24th, 2016 @ 11:47am CDT
-Kanrabat- wrote:Optimustard wrote::HEADHURTS: where is trailbreaker?
where is jazz?
I could make more money on toys that haven't already successfully been produced, marketed, and sold already by 3rd parties. That being said good job on a toy that someone already did a passable job on.
By that logic, the ORIGINAL CREATORS of Transformers should just close shop and give the keys to 3rd party companies.
With the exception of the Masterpiece line (and even that has had stinkers, like Tracks), I'd be happy with that. Most modern mainline Transformers toys are simplified, hollow garbage made of cheap crappy plastic. I, for one, am not about to wait ten years for HasTak to make a competently engineered Defensor with good-quality plastic and proper hands and feet. MakeToys has already done that and once I get my Himed and Vulcan in, they'll be my Protectobots.
My advice to the third parties would be to focus on MPs of characters unlikely to ever get an official Masterpiece release (For example, I can't see us ever getting an MP Clench) or making new, better versions of characters Takara drops the ball on.
Posted by ZeldaTheSwordsman on June 24th, 2016 @ 12:40pm CDT
Also looking at said photos, the arms actually seem to do a decent job of looking like the corresponding area of a Mitsubishi Fuso FT/Fighter fire engine. Unlike the original toy.
Delta Magnus, you literally just said you want the Transformers to die entirely as a brand in favor of (often-ugly, looking at YOU Fansproject) high-price third-party stuff that exists to serve a niche market of GEEWUNners with big wallets. Speaking as someone who got into Transformers via a later series that he very much enjoys and hopes future generations can have the same experience... Sod. Off.
Posted by william-james88 on June 24th, 2016 @ 1:40pm CDT
Delta Magnus wrote:With the exception of the Masterpiece line (and even that has had stinkers, like Tracks), I'd be happy with that. Most modern mainline Transformers toys are simplified, hollow garbage made of cheap crappy plastic. I, for one, am not about to wait ten years for HasTak to make a competently engineered Defensor with good-quality plastic and proper hands and feet. MakeToys has already done that and once I get my Himed and Vulcan in, they'll be my Protectobots.
But the protectobots arent called Himed or Vulcan, so technically those arent the protectobots and that isnt Defensor.
Posted by Evil Eye on June 24th, 2016 @ 2:02pm CDT
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Delta Magnus, you literally just said you want the Transformers to die entirely as a brand in favor of (often-ugly, looking at YOU Fansproject) high-price third-party stuff that exists to serve a niche market of GEEWUNners with big wallets. Speaking as someone who got into Transformers via a later series that he very much enjoys and hopes future generations can have the same experience... Sod. Off.
The way the brand is going at the moment? Too damn right I want the brand as is to die off. Hasbro has no idea how to manage the brand, and they're obviously perfectly willing to sacrifice the quality of their products in favour of higher profits. With the exception of (most) MP releases, the toys have taken a nosedive, ESPECIALLY the new RID stuff. If I had children I wouldn't buy them most RID toys- I'd rather get them Energon/Cybertron toys that actually look good and aren't made of recycled nappies. As for the Generations line, most of it is still made from awful, awful plastic, the engineering and articulation are insultingly simplistic and ultimately sub-par, aesthetically they're often far uglier than even the worst-looking third party figures, lacking in paint and awfully hollow, and 99.9% of the releases are pandering either to G1 or IDW- and they can't even get that right, given their habits of shoehorning in gimmicks the original characters never had (Headmaster everyone, Combiner everyone etc), doing a bare-bones repaint of another mold and calling it a day as the "proper" representation of a character (Hasbro Lightspeed) and of course just really crap engineering/design work (CW Menasor). And that's assuming we even get the toys in the first place (Thank you Hasbro UK for your wonderful 4/5ths of a Superion, thank you SO much).
Besides, even if Hasbro died on its arse, the brand wouldn't necessarily die out. Someone else hopefully less awful would pick it up.
As for the MUH COST argument, you get what you pay for. Simple as that.
So, no. How about YOU sod off?
But the protectobots arent called Himed or Vulcan, so technically those arent the protectobots and that isnt Defensor.
The Protectobots aren't six inches high and made of plastic either. And the Decepticon Headmasters aren't called Terri-Bull, Skullsmasher or Wolfwire.
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on June 24th, 2016 @ 2:13pm CDT
Posted by -Kanrabat- on June 24th, 2016 @ 2:48pm CDT
Posted by Sabrblade on June 24th, 2016 @ 2:52pm CDT
Cuz he can take the heat!-Kanrabat- wrote:I always wondered. Why he's called "Inferno"? It's a name more fitting to a pyromaniac rather than a firefighter .
Posted by Kurona on June 24th, 2016 @ 3:49pm CDT
-Kanrabat- wrote:william-james88 wrote:I am ok with 3 p companies doing it first. Fans can either wait for takara or buy placeholders and takara can take their time and learn from other people's mistakes. I wouldnt be able to afford all the MPs if they came out all at once. This year is crazy enough.
That, I agree 100%. The early impatient bird will get the 3rd Party figure. The patient one will wait for the official MP.
Also, it's not just about MP. Regular figures can blow 3p figures out of the water. Just look at Generations Springer or most of the Combiner Wars line. Many GREAT 3p figures drop down in price dramatically just because the official is out and everyone are selling their 3p figures. That's why I could get the Energon Bruticus team with the 3P "Swindle" and "Blastoff" and all the accessories for peanuts.
Are you... sure about that? Last I checked, the Fansproject Explorer and Munitioner are really expensive due to their popularity and limited run. Not to mention the Energon Bruticus molds THEMSELVES are really expensive just due to how much Fansproject upgrades them.
As for third party vs official... get what you like, really. Personally I prefer to go official each time as it just kind of feels better, the toys tend to be modern interesting updates rather than just straight-up reproductions of the show, and... uh... cost. Cost is a really big thing, and I'm not willing to dig into Third Party prices every time - especially with a cast as enormous as G1. Hell, even in the first season there were 27 characters! I can't afford Third Party prices for every single one of those!
Ideally, if Third Party offers something HasTak can't, or I just find something interesting about them, I'll go for it. Things like obscure characters, differing sizes like a Voyager-sized Fort Max we'll probably not get from HasTak, or a design from a past comic or game like Fall of Cybertron or Hearts of Steel that in the modern market is likely not going to get made unless it's just the big names of Optimus, Megatron, Starscream and Bumblebee.
Personally I find third parties best for upgrades. Things like the Perfect Effect feet and hands work out well for me in every sense - it's not trying to replace anything so I don't feel bad in any way about it, they don't cost that much, they improve upon the look that's already there instead of drastically changing it; and it's not like I'm saying Hasbro did a bad job - I understand why they done the Hand/Foot/Guns they did, but it just unfortunately can't work out for me. That's where Third Parties come in best for me.
... ANYWAY. Masterpiece Inferno! That ladder magic science is very fun. I wonder if they'll have to face any challenges for Grapple considering he has a crane instead of a ladder...
why do i always bring up the inevitable grapple remold here im thinking too far ahead
Posted by ZeldaTheSwordsman on June 24th, 2016 @ 4:10pm CDT
-Kanrabat- wrote:I always wondered. Why he's called "Inferno"? It's a name more fitting to a pyromaniac rather than a firefighter .
Because it was a cool-sounding fire-related name and they didn't think of the pyromaniac connotations until Beast Wars
Right, Delta Magnus is on my foes list for being a salty baby about the plastic used on retail TFs (I own *actual* bootleg TFs, and while I don't own any figures older than 2011 I've handled them. You people are whining about nothing IMO) and for wanting there to be no more retail TFs. You can mockingly say "BUT MUH COST" all you like, doesn't change the fact that the third-party figures are not something a kid can save their allowance up for and buy from the store, or ask their parents to get them... That kind of callous attitude in a fandom really bothers me. You don't like the retail products? Don't buy them, that's fine. But saying that they shouldn't exist as an option for fans with lesser means or for general consumers is nothing more than spiteful snobbery.
Posted by Kurona on June 24th, 2016 @ 4:17pm CDT
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:-Kanrabat- wrote:I always wondered. Why he's called "Inferno"? It's a name more fitting to a pyromaniac rather than a firefighter .
Because it was a cool-sounding fire-related name and they didn't think of the pyromaniac connotations until Beast Wars
Right, Delta Magnus is on my foes list for being a salty baby about the plastic used on retail TFs (I own *actual* bootleg TFs, and while I don't own any figures older than 2011 I've handled them. You people are whining about nothing IMO) and for wanting there to be no more retail TFs. You can mockingly say "BUT MUH COST" all you like, doesn't change the fact that the third-party figures are not something a kid can save their allowance up for and buy from the store, or ask their parents to get them... That kind of callous attitude in a fandom really bothers me. You don't like the retail products? Don't buy them, that's fine. But saying that they shouldn't exist as an option for fans with lesser means or for general consumers is nothing more than spiteful snobbery.
There is a bit of truth in that the plastic quality has decreased in recent years, but to me it doesn't necessarily make the figures awful - speaking as someone who had and still has Cybertron toys, I still love Combiner Wars toys as much as them.
Posted by Evil Eye on June 24th, 2016 @ 4:30pm CDT
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:-Kanrabat- wrote:I always wondered. Why he's called "Inferno"? It's a name more fitting to a pyromaniac rather than a firefighter .
Because it was a cool-sounding fire-related name and they didn't think of the pyromaniac connotations until Beast Wars
Right, Delta Magnus is on my foes list for being a salty baby about the plastic used on retail TFs (I own *actual* bootleg TFs, and while I don't own any figures older than 2011 I've handled them. You people are whining about nothing IMO) and for wanting there to be no more retail TFs. You can mockingly say "BUT MUH COST" all you like, doesn't change the fact that the third-party figures are not something a kid can save their allowance up for and buy from the store, or ask their parents to get them... That kind of callous attitude in a fandom really bothers me. You don't like the retail products? Don't buy them, that's fine. But saying that they shouldn't exist as an option for fans with lesser means or for general consumers is nothing more than spiteful snobbery.
OK. Good riddance.
Posted by Bumblebee21 on June 24th, 2016 @ 8:04pm CDT
Posted by Sabrblade on June 24th, 2016 @ 8:07pm CDT
G1 had a lot of red Autobots.Bumblebee21 wrote:Can't wait for inferno. Why do we have another red autobot don't we have enough
Posted by Kurona on June 24th, 2016 @ 8:12pm CDT
... wouldn't mind a Masterpiece Warpath, come to think of it...
Posted by Bumblebee21 on June 24th, 2016 @ 8:24pm CDT
Kurona wrote:Just watch the next batch of Masterpieces be Cliffjumper, Gears, Warpath and Windcharger.
... wouldn't mind a Masterpiece Warpath, come to think of it...
Posted by Bumblebee21 on June 24th, 2016 @ 8:24pm CDT
Sabrblade wrote:G1 had a lot of red Autobots.Bumblebee21 wrote:Can't wait for inferno. Why do we have another red autobot don't we have enough
Wonder why
Posted by Emerje on June 24th, 2016 @ 8:26pm CDT
Emerje
Posted by Kurona on June 24th, 2016 @ 8:38pm CDT
Bumblebee21 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:G1 had a lot of red Autobots.Bumblebee21 wrote:Can't wait for inferno. Why do we have another red autobot don't we have enough
Wonder why
Just in case this isn't sarcastic - hope that didn't sound insulting; it's genuinely hard to detect sarcasm on the internet sometimes - Red in children's franchises is generally used as a warm colour to designate a heroic character. It's often used for leaders of heroic groups; the red ranger and of course Optimus Prime for instance, but due to how appealing it is it can be used for many in a large cast.
... also the fact that since it's transformers we're dealing with here, many of the vehicles are commonly red irl. Inferno's Fire Truck mode for instance.
Posted by Bumblebee21 on June 24th, 2016 @ 8:48pm CDT
Kurona wrote:Bumblebee21 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:G1 had a lot of red Autobots.Bumblebee21 wrote:Can't wait for inferno. Why do we have another red autobot don't we have enough
Wonder why
Just in case this isn't sarcastic - hope that didn't sound insulting; it's genuinely hard to detect sarcasm on the internet sometimes - Red in children's franchises is generally used as a warm colour to designate a heroic character. It's often used for leaders of heroic groups; the red ranger and of course Optimus Prime for instance, but due to how appealing it is it can be used for many in a large cast.
... also the fact that since it's transformers we're dealing with here, many of the vehicles are commonly red irl. Inferno's Fire Truck mode for instance.
It wasn't sarcastic . Probably why the autobot symbol is red to. Forgot that inferno was a fire truck and they are usually red. Except for hotspot. Thanks!