Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece Inferno Die-Cast Accessory Revealed

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Autobase Aichi has released to us a picture of what is to come with Masterpiece Inferno as his die-cast accessory. This time it's not a coin though, but rather a small die cast Optimus Prime! The little Prime looks to be based on the MP 10 style of design and will stand an inch and a half tall. Check out the image below, and let us know if this is something you will like to see with your Inferno!

Credit(s): Autobase Aichi

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Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece Inferno Die-Cast Accessory Revealed (1808101)
Posted by Evil Eye on July 22nd, 2016 @ 1:05pm CDT

Well that's completely nonsensical and unnecessary.

I love it.

Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece Inferno Die-Cast Accessory Revealed (1808152)
Posted by joeprime276 on July 22nd, 2016 @ 2:13pm CDT

That accessory is.. interesting.
I'll definitely be getting this. I don't know why but ever since I was a little kid I've always been drawn to rescue vehicles, so Inferno has always had a special place in my heart ever since I started watching G1

Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece Inferno Die-Cast Accessory Revealed (1808156)
Posted by WeatherManNX01 on July 22nd, 2016 @ 2:21pm CDT

And just like the Masterpiece coins, I don't give a rat's behind about this die cast accessory. I don't need it; I don't want it. It does nothing for me. It'll just sit in the box (or standalone packaging, if it's like the coins) in storage until the day I choose to sell the figure (God forbid!).

Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece Inferno Die-Cast Accessory Revealed (1808170)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on July 22nd, 2016 @ 2:37pm CDT

Sigma Magnus wrote:...okay...why?

Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece Inferno Die-Cast Accessory Revealed (1808177)
Posted by Sigma Magnus on July 22nd, 2016 @ 2:40pm CDT

...fair enough. :lol:

Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece Inferno Die-Cast Accessory Revealed (1808603)
Posted by Cyberpath on July 24th, 2016 @ 2:25am CDT

Size comparison... kind of..

So about Ironhide's height?

Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece Inferno Die-Cast Accessory Revealed (1808636)
Posted by Sabrblade on July 24th, 2016 @ 7:59am CDT

Cyberpath wrote:So about Ironhide's height?

Rightfully so, given he and Ironhide were within a similar height range.

Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece Inferno Die-Cast Accessory Revealed (1808684)
Posted by Oberon22 on July 24th, 2016 @ 10:21am CDT

Inferno was the first 2nd season deluxe Autobot to appear in the cartoon. I love how he and Beachcomber show up out of nowhere in the Insecticon Syndrome episode.

The masterpiece looks awesome even though a bit too cartoony for my taste. Some more chrome would have been nice

Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece Inferno Die-Cast Accessory Revealed (1808890)
Posted by chuckdawg1999 on July 25th, 2016 @ 1:09am CDT

D-Maximus_Primal wrote:Autobase Aichi has released to us a picture of what is to come with Masterpiece Inferno as his die-cast accessory. This time it's not a coin though, but rather a small die cast Optimus Prime! The little Prime looks to be based on the MP 10 style of design and will stand an inch and a half tall. Check out the image below, and let us know if this is something you will like to see with your Inferno!

So this is instead of the coin?

Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece Inferno Die-Cast Accessory Revealed (1821082)
Posted by Ironhidensh on September 2nd, 2016 @ 11:36am CDT

Any word on Grapple yet?

Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece Inferno Die-Cast Accessory Revealed (1821141)
Posted by Sabrblade on September 2nd, 2016 @ 6:06pm CDT

Ironhidensh wrote:Any word on Grapple yet?

None yet.

Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece Inferno Die-Cast Accessory Revealed (1821144)
Posted by Ironhidensh on September 2nd, 2016 @ 6:11pm CDT

Sabrblade wrote:
Ironhidensh wrote:Any word on Grapple yet?
None yet.

Odd. I really expected him to be 35, right after cheetor.

Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece Inferno Die-Cast Accessory Revealed (1821149)
Posted by Kurona on September 2nd, 2016 @ 6:23pm CDT

He probably will be. But no word yet on any MPs after Cheetor.

Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece Inferno Die-Cast Accessory Revealed (1821908)
Posted by Big Grim on September 6th, 2016 @ 4:47am CDT

TFSource have MP Grapple up with an image.

http://tfsource.com/masterpiece/mp-35-grapple/

*Edit*

And it's in the news already! D'oh!

Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece Inferno Die-Cast Accessory Revealed (1821913)
Posted by Kurona on September 6th, 2016 @ 5:00am CDT

Eh, it's worth bringing MP35 up here for comparison.

Curious, since this is a G1 cartoon collector's line - does anyone here count Grapple among their Season 1 autobots due to the error in the original pilot?

Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece Inferno Die-Cast Accessory Revealed (1821923)
Posted by Cyberpath on September 6th, 2016 @ 5:41am CDT

Technically Grapple and the others made their debut in Season 2. But in Desertion of the Dinobots they all suffered from Cybertonium depletion due to "millions of years of being exposed to Earth's atmosphere." So in the context of the show it means that Grapple and the others crashed landed on Earth along with the Season 1 cast four millions years ago.

But yeah, to me "Hauler" is Grapple.

Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece Inferno Die-Cast Accessory Revealed (1821941)
Posted by Cyberpath on September 6th, 2016 @ 7:30am CDT

Kurona wrote:Eh, it's worth bringing MP35 up here for comparison.

MP33MP35-1.jpg

MP33MP35-2.jpg

Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece Inferno Die-Cast Accessory Revealed (1821962)
Posted by Big Grim on September 6th, 2016 @ 8:50am CDT

As I said in the Grapple thread, he looks great. Better than Inferno in my opinion. Makes me think I'll buy him rather than Maketoys Wrestle, since I have their Hellfire.

Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece Inferno Die-Cast Accessory Revealed (1823416)
Posted by Va'al on September 10th, 2016 @ 2:53am CDT

http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/ ... ece/36317/

Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece Inferno Die-Cast Accessory Revealed (1829380)
Posted by Logan. on September 29th, 2016 @ 7:08am CDT

TransformersAsia

"Masterpiece MP-33 Inferno Promotion
Get this special design die-cast metal mini figure free when preorder “ MP-33 lnferno " at selected stores in Asia, while supplies Last !
Available to Asia (Exclude Japan)"

Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece Inferno Die-Cast Accessory Revealed (1829414)
Posted by william-james88 on September 29th, 2016 @ 9:32am CDT

It is a confusing time for Masterpiece releases. While we usually get the Japanese release and the Hasbro Asia release (whos only difference is the inclusion of a coin), Transformers Asia is a third player that introduced itself with the reissue of Masterpiece Ironhide, giving him a new drill accessory. Since then, they seem to have taken over the releases of Masterpiece figures in Asia (and maybe Australia, that is still to be seen). This new direction for the Asian release of Masterpiece figures preffers to offer die cast figures rather than collector coins, as there is currently no indication that these Transformers Asia releases also come with coins. Masterpiece Inferno started what is now a trend of Masterpiece figures coming with die cast mini statues and this first mini statue is finally fully revealed. It is a small monochrome die cast statue of Optimus Prime and it comes in a box with a clear plastic window. The indication of it being #1 on the box hints at a new long line of figures that is sure to either frustrate or please completionists.

This image comes from Transformers Asia's Facebook page which also states the following:

"Masterpiece MP-33 Inferno Promotion
Get this special design die-cast metal mini figure free when preorder “ MP-33 lnferno " at selected stores in Asia, while supplies Last !
Available to Asia (Exclude Japan)"

Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece Inferno Die-Cast Accessory Revealed (1829422)
Posted by triKlops on September 29th, 2016 @ 10:16am CDT

Wasn't the MP-05G release the first different HasAsia exclusive figure?
If so, that means the Reflector he came with would be the first example of coin substitution.

If I am wrong, please correct.
However I have been doing some research on the G release, its been popping up cheap on eBay and I have been trying to determine a difference between an official versus unofficial release before i make a purchase.
In the course of this research, the above info was fresh on my mind.

Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece Inferno Die-Cast Accessory Revealed (1829440)
Posted by william-james88 on September 29th, 2016 @ 10:49am CDT

triKlops wrote:Wasn't the MP-05G release the first different HasAsia exclusive figure?
If so, that means the Reflector he came with would be the first example of coin substitution.

If I am wrong, please correct.
However I have been doing some research on the G release, its been popping up cheap on eBay and I have been trying to determine a difference between an official versus unofficial release before i make a purchase.
In the course of this research, the above info was fresh on my mind.

Ah right, yes. But did Takara release him too or was he only released by Transformers Asia? They rereleased other toys in new decos before so I would see him more along the lines of that. This is different since they are not making their own spin on things but actually being in charge of releasing straight takara products in Asia.

Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece Inferno Die-Cast Accessory Revealed (1829497)
Posted by william-james88 on September 29th, 2016 @ 2:11pm CDT

Where's the shot of him in Prime's trailer?

Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece Inferno Die-Cast Accessory Revealed (1829573)
Posted by triKlops on September 29th, 2016 @ 10:36pm CDT

william-james88 wrote:
triKlops wrote:Wasn't the MP-05G release the first different HasAsia exclusive figure?
If so, that means the Reflector he came with would be the first example of coin substitution.

If I am wrong, please correct.
However I have been doing some research on the G release, its been popping up cheap on eBay and I have been trying to determine a difference between an official versus unofficial release before i make a purchase.
In the course of this research, the above info was fresh on my mind.

Ah right, yes. But did Takara release him too or was he only released by Transformers Asia? They rereleased other toys in new decos before so I would see him more along the lines of that. This is different since they are not making their own spin on things but actually being in charge of releasing straight takara products in Asia.

Fresh from the wiki...
http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Megatron_(G1)/toys#20th_Anniversary.2FMasterpiece
This guy has really intrigued me but to link it to the Inferno, it should be interesting if the die cast item theme continues.

"Megatron Gold Ver. (12/2014)
ID number: MP-05G
Accessories: Fusion cannon, energon mace, energy dagger, laser pistol, Kremzeek figure, Reflector figure
A gold-chrome redeco of the original MP-5 mold, Megatron Gold Version is a Hasbro Asia release under the TakaraTomy label (making it the first TakaraTomy Masterpiece to not be released, thus far, in Japan). It comes with all the same accessories as the original release as well as a new, non-transforming Reflector in camera mode."

Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece Inferno Die-Cast Accessory Revealed (1829584)
Posted by Burn on September 30th, 2016 @ 1:11am CDT

triKlops wrote:(making it the first TakaraTomy Masterpiece to not be released, thus far, in Japan).

Technically (because they hadn't yet merged), that would have been MP-02 Ultra Magnus who was released in Australia in Takara packaging (with stickers added for recommended ages) through Target stores.

Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece Inferno Die-Cast Accessory Revealed (1829612)
Posted by william-james88 on September 30th, 2016 @ 5:59am CDT

triKlops wrote:
Fresh from the wiki...
http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Megatron_(G1)/toys#20th_Anniversary.2FMasterpiece
This guy has really intrigued me but to link it to the Inferno, it should be interesting if the die cast item theme continues.

"Megatron Gold Ver. (12/2014)
ID number: MP-05G
Accessories: Fusion cannon, energon mace, energy dagger, laser pistol, Kremzeek figure, Reflector figure
A gold-chrome redeco of the original MP-5 mold, Megatron Gold Version is a Hasbro Asia release under the TakaraTomy label (making it the first TakaraTomy Masterpiece to not be released, thus far, in Japan). It comes with all the same accessories as the original release as well as a new, non-transforming Reflector in camera mode."

The wiki should be corrected then since he wasn't a Hasbro Asia release, nut a Transformers Asia release instead, as we previously established.

And yeah, this makes him more of a special edition and not part of a larger line, which if what Transformers Asia would usualy do. Up until now, of course, where they are becoming in charge of the MP like in Asia.

Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece Inferno Die-Cast Accessory Revealed (1829747)
Posted by Sabrblade on September 30th, 2016 @ 5:06pm CDT

Burn wrote:
triKlops wrote:(making it the first TakaraTomy Masterpiece to not be released, thus far, in Japan).

Technically (because they hadn't yet merged), that would have been MP-02 Ultra Magnus who was released in Australia in Takara packaging (with stickers added for recommended ages) through Target stores.

But MP-2 did come out in Japan. Twice, even, as he was reissued in 2008.

Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece Inferno Die-Cast Accessory Revealed (1829776)
Posted by triKlops on September 30th, 2016 @ 7:57pm CDT

Burn wrote:
triKlops wrote:(making it the first TakaraTomy Masterpiece to not be released, thus far, in Japan).

Technically (because they hadn't yet merged), that would have been MP-02 Ultra Magnus who was released in Australia in Takara packaging (with stickers added for recommended ages) through Target stores.

Hmmm, very interesting.
I forgot about the ole AustralAsia switcheroo.
Duly Noted. ;)^

Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece Inferno Die-Cast Accessory Revealed (1829777)
Posted by triKlops on September 30th, 2016 @ 7:59pm CDT

william-james88 wrote:
triKlops wrote:
Fresh from the wiki...
http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Megatron_(G1)/toys#20th_Anniversary.2FMasterpiece
This guy has really intrigued me but to link it to the Inferno, it should be interesting if the die cast item theme continues.

"Megatron Gold Ver. (12/2014)
ID number: MP-05G
Accessories: Fusion cannon, energon mace, energy dagger, laser pistol, Kremzeek figure, Reflector figure
A gold-chrome redeco of the original MP-5 mold, Megatron Gold Version is a Hasbro Asia release under the TakaraTomy label (making it the first TakaraTomy Masterpiece to not be released, thus far, in Japan). It comes with all the same accessories as the original release as well as a new, non-transforming Reflector in camera mode."

The wiki should be corrected then since he wasn't a Hasbro Asia release, nut a Transformers Asia release instead, as we previously established.

And yeah, this makes him more of a special edition and not part of a larger line, which if what Transformers Asia would usualy do. Up until now, of course, where they are becoming in charge of the MP like in Asia.

Convoluted but i follow.
Thanks for the clarity.
The sub sub designations are getting more interesting and intricate as time goes on.

Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece Inferno Die-Cast Accessory Revealed (1829780)
Posted by triKlops on September 30th, 2016 @ 8:04pm CDT

Sabrblade wrote:
Burn wrote:
triKlops wrote:(making it the first TakaraTomy Masterpiece to not be released, thus far, in Japan).

Technically (because they hadn't yet merged), that would have been MP-02 Ultra Magnus who was released in Australia in Takara packaging (with stickers added for recommended ages) through Target stores.
But MP-2 did come out in Japan. Twice, even, as he was reissued in 2008.

Another interesting angle on releases.
Especially with more of this becoming prevalent, maybe the inclusion of the die cast figs are to make it stand out from the sea of HAsTakTomy releases in various forms, origins and waves.

Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece Inferno Die-Cast Accessory Revealed (1830606)
Posted by Cyberpath on October 5th, 2016 @ 9:06am CDT

MP33 Inferno back.jpg

Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece Inferno Die-Cast Accessory Revealed (1830607)
Posted by Sabrblade on October 5th, 2016 @ 9:10am CDT

Whoa, Inferno! Don't do that here! Go find a bathroom, man!

Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece Inferno Die-Cast Accessory Revealed (1831330)
Posted by chuckdawg1999 on October 7th, 2016 @ 12:52am CDT

I'm really excited for this figure. It and Grapple look to do the Ironhide thing, where when you're done with the transformation, you marvel at where the figure came from. In the case of Inferno and Grapple it's where the ladder/hook goes.

Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece Inferno Die-Cast Accessory Revealed (1831612)
Posted by Logan. on October 8th, 2016 @ 4:07am CDT

Staircase Transformation Video
https://www.facebook.com/wanna.hobby.co ... 413978875/

Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece Inferno Die-Cast Accessory Revealed (1831614)
Posted by xMXUx on October 8th, 2016 @ 4:53am CDT

I can't wait to experience this ladder-magic in hand :shock:

Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece Inferno Die-Cast Accessory Revealed (1831615)
Posted by Va'al on October 8th, 2016 @ 5:08am CDT

Taiwan-based retailer Wanna-Hobby have posted on their Facebook page a clip showing how the upcoming Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece Inferno operates its engineering magic to make the ladder disappear - and now you can partake of the visual spectacle too, by checking it out below!

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Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece Inferno Die-Cast Accessory Revealed (1831625)
Posted by Relic0037 on October 8th, 2016 @ 8:28am CDT

Looks like another good addition to the Masterpiece line. I wonder when we will get more of the first season Autobots like Jazz, Hound, & Sunstreaker?

Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece Inferno Die-Cast Accessory Revealed (1831671)
Posted by Ironhidensh on October 8th, 2016 @ 11:08am CDT

Relic0037 wrote:Looks like another good addition to the Masterpiece line. I wonder when we will get more of the first season Autobots like Jazz, Hound, & Sunstreaker?

There are options Foss these out there.

Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece Inferno Die-Cast Accessory Revealed (1831674)
Posted by Black Bumblebee on October 8th, 2016 @ 11:13am CDT

Options are out there, yeah, but many want official. Official tends to do it better, and cheaper, than 3rd party.

Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece Inferno Die-Cast Accessory Revealed (1831675)
Posted by Ironhidensh on October 8th, 2016 @ 11:17am CDT

Black Bumblebee wrote:Options are out there, yeah, but many want official. Official tends to do it better, and cheaper, than 3rd party.

Not anymore. Prices have leveled out pretty even, and quality is better in many cases.

Official is just a word that has lost its meaning. Don't let it keep you away from amazing transformer figures.

Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece Inferno Die-Cast Accessory Revealed (1831695)
Posted by RAR on October 8th, 2016 @ 12:41pm CDT

Ironhidensh wrote:
Black Bumblebee wrote:Options are out there, yeah, but many want official. Official tends to do it better, and cheaper, than 3rd party.

Not anymore. Prices have leveled out pretty even, and quality is better in many cases.

Official is just a word that has lost its meaning. Don't let it keep you away from amazing transformer figures.

I appreciate wanting "Official" heck I rely on it that is how I often get 3rd party toys - after the official ones come out the previous 3rd party ones tend to fall off a cliff in terms of pricing.

I expect Maketoys version of Hound will similarly suffer next.

Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece Inferno Die-Cast Accessory Revealed (1831697)
Posted by Kurona on October 8th, 2016 @ 12:44pm CDT

Unless I'm mistaken - and I suspect I am - Isn't the reason most of the currently undone Season 1 bots are undone is because they can't get the licensing for their vehicles yet?
Then again, that doesn't explain Sunstreaker who's vehicle mode is supposed to be the exact same as Sideswipe's.

Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece Inferno Die-Cast Accessory Revealed (1831704)
Posted by Ironhidensh on October 8th, 2016 @ 12:58pm CDT

I was always a little shocked they never made a Sunstreaker. Especially after Wheeljack came out, as Takara, with very little adjustment could probally have made a nice Sunstreaker retool.

Granted, the fan base would have had issues with that, and rightly so, but that has never stopped them before.

Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece Inferno Die-Cast Accessory Revealed (1831705)
Posted by Kurona on October 8th, 2016 @ 1:03pm CDT

I don't think a Wheeljack to Sunstreaker retool would have worked out too well. Maybe for Generations - and, heck, they done that in Combiner Wars - but Masterpiece is supposed to represent the cartoon models to the letter, and Wheeljack and Sunstreaker just look too distinct for that imo.

Plus a new Sunstreaker mold would open up a ton of diaclone repaint possibilities. Which, truth be told, is kind of what I'm starting to get into Masterpiece before. Because I'm a freakin' weirdo.

Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece Inferno Die-Cast Accessory Revealed (1831756)
Posted by Emerje on October 8th, 2016 @ 3:44pm CDT

Ironhidensh wrote:
Black Bumblebee wrote:Options are out there, yeah, but many want official. Official tends to do it better, and cheaper, than 3rd party.

Not anymore. Prices have leveled out pretty even, and quality is better in many cases.

Official is just a word that has lost its meaning. Don't let it keep you away from amazing transformer figures.

For some of us official is all that matters. Maybe it's lost meaning to those of you that don't mind owning knockoffs and bootlegs, but to the rest of us it's everything. I'll always support the companies that actually own the licenses over the ones that have stolen the likenesses.

And I don't know what you mean by the quality being "better in many cases", I've yet to see a single knockoff that I thought was superior to a Hasbro Masterpiece. Don't bother listing any to try to prove me wrong, I've seen them all, my opinion stands.

Emerje

Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece Inferno Die-Cast Accessory Revealed (1831758)
Posted by Kurona on October 8th, 2016 @ 3:46pm CDT

Emerje wrote:
Ironhidensh wrote:
Black Bumblebee wrote:Options are out there, yeah, but many want official. Official tends to do it better, and cheaper, than 3rd party.

Not anymore. Prices have leveled out pretty even, and quality is better in many cases.

Official is just a word that has lost its meaning. Don't let it keep you away from amazing transformer figures.

For some of us official is all that matters. Maybe it's lost meaning to those of you that don't mind owning knockoffs and bootlegs, but to the rest of us it's everything. I'll always support the companies that actually own the licenses over the ones that have stolen the likenesses.

And I don't know what you mean by the quality being "better in many cases", I've yet to see a single knockoff that I thought was superior to a Hasbro Masterpiece. Don't bother listing any to try to prove me wrong, I've seen them all, my opinion stands.

Emerje

They're talking about third parties rather than knockoffs.

Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece Inferno Die-Cast Accessory Revealed (1831766)
Posted by Burn on October 8th, 2016 @ 4:09pm CDT

I still feel Infernos transformation is some form of dark magic.

Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece Inferno Die-Cast Accessory Revealed (1831830)
Posted by Sabrblade on October 8th, 2016 @ 8:43pm CDT

Kurona wrote:They're talking about third parties rather than knockoffs.

Third party figures are a kind of knockoffs. They just knockoff visual IP designs rather than physical ones, regardless of how many artistic liberties and/or adjustments they may or may not make to said visual IP designs.

Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece Inferno Die-Cast Accessory Revealed (1831835)
Posted by Kurona on October 8th, 2016 @ 8:55pm CDT

Sabrblade wrote:
Kurona wrote:They're talking about third parties rather than knockoffs.
Third party figures are a kind of knockoffs. They just knockoff visual IP designs rather than physical ones, regardless of how many artistic liberties and/or adjustments they may or may not make to said visual IP designs.

As far as I knew the definition of a knockoff - at least in the context of Transformers - was to try and replicate an already-existing toy. Third Parties stand distinct from that in that they are completely original toys, just based on existing designs (unless it's something like that fansproject glacialord thing)

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