Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece Gattai MPG Shouki Box Revealed

I love when they are packaged in alt mode and you have to transform them first to see robot mode!

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:

chuckdawg1999 wrote:I hate to think that if these don't sell well we may end up with a bunch of parts that we really can't do anything with. I mean this is how I would do things, I'm just that type of guy.

That's the flipside of leaving the important connecting part til last. If they don't sell in the numbers they are expecting, given the expense of a Masterpiece combiner, would they cut the line short? Just like the failed HasLab projects...

"Enjoy your 5/6 of an MP Gestalt."

I really don't see that happening, and the comparisons to Haslab aren't really a fair comparison. Halslab is an all or noting proposition. If it meets funding, it gets made, that simple. The decisoin to proceed comes after the fans have backed it. For MPG Raiden, they already made the decision to go forward when the offered pre-orders, and its really too late to turn back now without completely trashing their reputation as well as pissing off their online retailers.

Shouki is happening, I can't see them pulling the plug on him if they haven't already. With a combiner team, they should be able to bank on selling about the same numbers of all 6, as it really doesn't make sense that many people would only want one of the figures without the others.

My point is, they already should know whether they have the numbers to proceed just based on Shouki's pre-orders. Aside from financial ruin or death, I can't see someone who ordered Shouki not ordering the rest. On the flip side, they may pull in come customers in the middle of things who missed out on the first few bots, so there is a chance of pulling in some new customers to the line.

It just makes the most sense to me that if they were going to pull the plug, it would have been done already before production of Shouki and before preparing to announce the second bot. There are going to be far too many sunk costs they cannot recover if they pull things now and it will only get worse the further along things go.

I know a lot of comparisons are being made with Moon Studios release ( myself included). However I believe TT Raiden was actually in development first. I mean if you look at the first announcement, it was well over 2 years ago. It was so long ago that most people figured it had been abandoned, when in truth all along they were being very careful to take their time and get it right before revealing anything.

The box layout is interesting. After nearly 20 years of a big Transformers logo on the front of MP boxes it's now overshadowed by a massive MPG logo. They really want to drive home the fact that this is something different from what we're used to, but still an MP. Feels like its own line with several possibilities in the future rather than just a one and done offshoot.

Emerje

I love Transformers and I love trains.
Always wanted Raiden.
MPG Raiden hits it for me.

They are probably packaged this way because they each come with a piece of railway track?

Naturally, the train mode will make sense to save distribution costs. Easier for collectors to keep with the package too.

Getsuei Images from Amazon Japan. It is the very early morning hours of Thursday the 13th, so hopefully the pre-order should be going up sometime today.

http://figure.rash.jp/amazon_gallery.ph ... B09PYVWFLT



*edit* Found It

https://www.amazon.co.jp/-/en/dp/B09PYV ... &keywords=?tag=seibertron00-22&トランスフォーマー+マスターピース&qid=1642008710&sprefix=transformers%2Caps%2C79&sr=8-46

If the rest of the releases are only 3 months apart, we could be getting the complete Raiden sooner than expected ... Well not that much sooner. I initially predicted we would have them all by end of year (December 2023). If all are released 3 months apart, we could have the last one by October 2023, so 2 months earlier... .

Well if SS Devastator Fans can be patient and wait, so can I.

Pre-order for Getsuei is up on Ami-Ami with a lot pictures. With a release date of September 2022.
https://www.amiami.com/eng/detail/?gcode=FIGURE-135365

Great news to those wanting some more MP Raiden news. Amazon japan has revealed the second of six trainbots today. This is MPG-02 – Masterpiece Trainbot Getsuei. You'll let us know what you think from the images posted below since it seems the alt mode was even more favoured than in the first trainbot. While it gives the bot some odd proportions with very tall legs, it does make one of the most gorgeous train modes ever seen on a Transformers toy. And it being revealed on Amazon means you get access to the preorder right away. The price is good news too. The original MSRP is 160000 yen, which is $140 USD. And what's great about this price is that it is lower than the first MP trainbot release, who's price went down to only $127 USD (image below for proof of current price decrease). So these trainbots won't all be the same price and this one is cheaper than the first and will only get cheaper if you stick to Amazon Japan. Other outlets will probably stick to the $140 USD mark.

You can click on any image to be brought to the Amazon Japan page.

william-james88 wrote:

Not sure how you got a price that low, but congrats.


Also, where are you seeing the MSRP for Getsuei as Y 16,000? Amazon Japan has him currently at Y 17,600. I understand the price will go down, I'm just not seeing these low prices you are. Everything I'm seeing matches what other sites are reporting. Maybe it's cheaper in Canada because of the Canadian Dollar/ Yen exchange rate?

o.supreme wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Not sure how you got a price that low, but congrats.


Also, where are you seeing the MSRP for Getsuei as Y 16,000? Amazon Japan has him currently at Y 17,600. I understand the price will go down, I'm just not seeing these low prices you are. Everything I'm seeing matches what other sites are reporting. Maybe it's cheaper in Canada because of the Canadian Dollar/ Yen exchange rate?

Emerje and I were trying to figure this out earlier, as he and I both got different prices than Will, and now you. I'm at 15888 for Shouki, I don't remember where Emerge was but it was lower than me. The Amazon Japan price will include whatever applicable taxes or import fees. I'm not sure if the US has any import taxes/fees that Canada does not, and I'm not sure if Amazon.jp counts as an extension of Amazon.com for purposes of adding any state taxes. the price difference above Will's for me doesn't match up with Illinois state sales tax, its a little bit higher that just counting IL tax.

Also the price shown in the amazon.jp listing includes Japan sales tax. So the price you get is that price, minus Japan tax, then plus whatever applicable fees they are assessing. As an example of this, MPG-02 is shown at 17600 but after ordering mine is at 17453 plus shipping. If I remember Shouki correctly, it went down even further a day or 2 after I ordered that was not a price drop, so they may still adjust things.

Edit: also forgot to add I believe Japan's tax is 10%, so MSRP of 16000 plus 1600 tax gets you to the 17600 list price.

o.supreme wrote:
Also, where are you seeing the MSRP for Getsuei as Y 16,000? Amazon Japan has him currently at Y 17,600. I understand the price will go down, I'm just not seeing these low prices you are. Everything I'm seeing matches what other sites are reporting. Maybe it's cheaper in Canada because of the Canadian Dollar/ Yen exchange rate?

Same way you see the real price for the first trainbot, just add it to your cart and start checkout. 17600 includes tax for Japanese citizens, that's not the MSRP

And it's unrelated to exchange rates since everything is always in yen.

william-james88 wrote:

o.supreme wrote:
Also, where are you seeing the MSRP for Getsuei as Y 16,000? Amazon Japan has him currently at Y 17,600. I understand the price will go down, I'm just not seeing these low prices you are. Everything I'm seeing matches what other sites are reporting. Maybe it's cheaper in Canada because of the Canadian Dollar/ Yen exchange rate?

Same way you see the real price for the first trainbot, just add it to your cart and start checkout. 17600 includes tax for Japanese citizens, that's not the MSRP

And it's unrelated to exchange rates since everything is always in yen.

facepalm, I just made the same reply on my own above.

^ Yes, Japan's sales tax is now 10%. It's hard to get a solid bead on the the MSRP because retailers can't seem to be able to agree what it is and a lot of retailers that ship to the US stopped giving the MSRP or round it up.

It does seem that everyone agrees that Getsuei will be cheaper than Shouki which is great news! Currently the lowest price I'm seeing is $117.39 at Hobby Search.

It's really interesting to me how much of the leg he actually forms. I think most of us expected the entire thigh to be from Kaen, but now we know he's probably making up the bulk of the torso from hips to head with Shouki filling in the middle. Gives me hope for this being bigger than CW combiners, early info be damned. They used the same trick to get more height out of Titan Predaking and we know Shouki is going to be roughly Voyager size.

Emerje

Ugh! FOMO finally got to me. I stopped collecting Masterpiece a while ago, and really don't want to pay that much for a combiner. But.. I don't know if these will ever be made at the Generations level and would hate to miss a chance to own Raiden in some form.

Lore Keeper wrote:Ugh! FOMO finally got to me. I stopped collecting Masterpiece a while ago, and really don't want to pay that much for a combiner. But.. I don't know if these will ever be made at the Generations level and would hate to miss a chance to own Raiden in some form.

If ever there are some at the generstions level, I am certain the alt modes won't look nearly as good.

Out of curiosity, does anyone know if they ever mentioned the model train scale (or closest fit) of the train modes, or at least the tracks? It would be awesome if they were spaced for 1:64 train tracks. My dad is a train collector and that is his scale.

My father is a train enthusiast as well. He was mostly into Lionel (O gauge) , but then later went slightly smaller (HO gauge).

I don't think it's been expressly stated if these match any model train scale, but would be neat if they did.

They seem to be doing a pretty good job with the trainbots for Masterpiece, the train modes already look lovely and the 'bot modes look pretty dang good considering they still have combining duties. I don't collect Masterpieces myself, but it would be interesting if they decided to go with Generations "dumbed-down" versions

I keep wanting to cancel my pre-order for Shouki since shelling out $160 for each Trainbot is gonna be really expensive, but then they keep releasing images showing how awesome they look and I can't bring myself to do it

william-james88 wrote:

Lore Keeper wrote:Ugh! FOMO finally got to me. I stopped collecting Masterpiece a while ago, and really don't want to pay that much for a combiner. But.. I don't know if these will ever be made at the Generations level and would hate to miss a chance to own Raiden in some form.

If ever there are some at the generstions level, I am certain the alt modes won't look nearly as good.

I'm just happy these guys seem to scale very well with current toys. They won't look out of place in a CHUG collection.

Lore Keeper wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Lore Keeper wrote:Ugh! FOMO finally got to me. I stopped collecting Masterpiece a while ago, and really don't want to pay that much for a combiner. But.. I don't know if these will ever be made at the Generations level and would hate to miss a chance to own Raiden in some form.

If ever there are some at the generstions level, I am certain the alt modes won't look nearly as good.

I'm just happy these guys seem to scale very well with current toys. They won't look out of place in a CHUG collection.

I think I missed the size comparison. Just how big are these guys again?

First-Aid wrote:

Lore Keeper wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Lore Keeper wrote:Ugh! FOMO finally got to me. I stopped collecting Masterpiece a while ago, and really don't want to pay that much for a combiner. But.. I don't know if these will ever be made at the Generations level and would hate to miss a chance to own Raiden in some form.

If ever there are some at the generstions level, I am certain the alt modes won't look nearly as good.

I'm just happy these guys seem to scale very well with current toys. They won't look out of place in a CHUG collection.

I think I missed the size comparison. Just how big are these guys again?

They're about 7 inches tall, which is about where you'd expect a CHUG scaled character that turns into a train to be.

Which puts them squarely into Voyager size (yes I know MPs don't have scales) like the Constructicons and Predacons. There's no way they're forming a 12" Raiden.

Emerje

I've stated many times, I'd actually be ok at either size; however...this is a crude picture, but it kind of confirms Raiden will be about 12-13 inches when combined... So a little bit bigger than the standard UW/CW/PotP combiner, but not 18 inches like Dev or Predaking.

I'm ok with it. I've got my UW dev to go with Siege Omega, and my scaled down KO CW Dev to go with all my other combiners. Now all we need is someone to make a scaled down KO PotP Predaking.

I think we will be sort of like SS Devy, same height as the CW combiners, but a lot more mass.

Ok, the figure is 170mm, give or take, the real locomotive is 16,500mm... That makes it pretty close to H0 scale. However, the only way to be really certain is to check the gauge (the width of the space between the two rails) of the rails they come with: for H0 scale it's 16.5 mm.

Jelze Bunnycat wrote:Ok, the figure is 170mm, give or take, the real locomotive is 16,500mm... That makes it pretty close to H0 scale. However, the only way to be really certain is to check the gauge (the width of the space between the two rails) of the rails they come with: for H0 scale it's 16.5 mm.

Knowing TT, I'd be surprised if it wasn't HO scale, that would be amazing for model train enthusiasts.

o.supreme wrote:

Jelze Bunnycat wrote:Ok, the figure is 170mm, give or take, the real locomotive is 16,500mm... That makes it pretty close to H0 scale. However, the only way to be really certain is to check the gauge (the width of the space between the two rails) of the rails they come with: for H0 scale it's 16.5 mm.

Knowing TT, I'd be surprised if it wasn't HO scale, that would be amazing for model train enthusiasts.

And knowing them, that's exactly why they're detailed like the real thing

Jelze Bunnycat wrote:

o.supreme wrote:

Jelze Bunnycat wrote:Ok, the figure is 170mm, give or take, the real locomotive is 16,500mm... That makes it pretty close to H0 scale. However, the only way to be really certain is to check the gauge (the width of the space between the two rails) of the rails they come with: for H0 scale it's 16.5 mm.

Knowing TT, I'd be surprised if it wasn't HO scale, that would be amazing for model train enthusiasts.

And knowing them, that's exactly why they're detailed like the real thing

My Dad was big into Lionel (O Gauge) for the longest time, but then switched to HO about 30 years ago because it was smaller, and he could build more detailed set pieces (he had a large plywood display in our garage for years growing up). Sadly, as he got older, the smaller scale made it hard to manage the tinier pieces, and he had to give it up when he moved into a smaller place.

I dread the day when some Transformers will just be "too complicated" for me to handle. I'm just shy of 46, and fear that time might be coming sooner than later.

I'm glad I had no particular attachment to the classic versions of these train bots - otherwise I might be tempted to get these. They look great, but the thought of having to buy six MP figures to complete a combiner? Ow!

Hot DAMN does Getseui look amazing! Train mode is stunningly wonderful, I love it!

Shouki still has the best robot mode, but the level of detail on Getseui's train mode are miles beyond Shouki. He looks great.

Now to go preorder him.

Question: How do we know the leg is 17cm? I see it in that graphic, but is that just somebody's guess, I don't see it mentioned in Japanese anywhere. I wont be satisfied with a Raiden that's not much taller than Ultra Magnus.



Emerje

If you are looking at my crude picture. Look 2 posts above that on the previous page.

O for Primus' sake... The whole accuracy thing is now getting ridiculous, but model train fans are gonna love what I have to say...

Remember how I talked about gauge and how scale can be measured from that? One caveat: The Model 0 Shinkansen Shouki uses 1,435mm or 4'8.5" standard gauge, but the JNR Class EF65 locomotive Getusei uses 1,067mm or 3'6" narrow gauge, and that is reflected in the MPG toys!

o.supreme wrote:If you are looking at my crude picture. Look 2 posts above that on the previous page.

Derp, didn't even notice the leg was in that picture and I commented on it. I think at the time I hadn't realized he was forming the entire leg, I thought he was just forming part of the thigh (like at a mid-thigh swivel), not the whole of it.

Emerje

Jelze Bunnycat wrote:O for Primus' sake... The whole accuracy thing is now getting ridiculous, but model train fans are gonna love what I have to say...

Remember how I talked about gauge and how scale can be measured from that? One caveat: The Model 0 Shinkansen Shouki uses 1,435mm or 4'8.5" standard gauge, but the JNR Class EF65 locomotive Getusei uses 1,067mm or 3'6" narrow gauge, and that is reflected in the MPG toys!

So what you're saying is is that Shouki can run on the North Western Railway while Getsuei can run on the Skarloey Railway.

Sabrblade wrote:

Jelze Bunnycat wrote:O for Primus' sake... The whole accuracy thing is now getting ridiculous, but model train fans are gonna love what I have to say...

Remember how I talked about gauge and how scale can be measured from that? One caveat: The Model 0 Shinkansen Shouki uses 1,435mm or 4'8.5" standard gauge, but the JNR Class EF65 locomotive Getusei uses 1,067mm or 3'6" narrow gauge, and that is reflected in the MPG toys!

So what you're saying is is that Shouki can run on the North Western Railway while Getsuei can run on the Skarloey Railway.

I was thinking the same thing.

And then I was trying to look at the rails to see if they were different sizes. Would kinda suck not being able to couple them all up like that because they use the different rail gauges

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Jelze Bunnycat wrote:O for Primus' sake... The whole accuracy thing is now getting ridiculous, but model train fans are gonna love what I have to say...

Remember how I talked about gauge and how scale can be measured from that? One caveat: The Model 0 Shinkansen Shouki uses 1,435mm or 4'8.5" standard gauge, but the JNR Class EF65 locomotive Getusei uses 1,067mm or 3'6" narrow gauge, and that is reflected in the MPG toys!

So what you're saying is is that Shouki can run on the North Western Railway while Getsuei can run on the Skarloey Railway.

I was thinking the same thing.

And then I was trying to look at the rails to see if they were different sizes. Would kinda suck not being able to couple them all up like that because they use the different rail gauges

You could, but the rails would look kinda off tho. Like I said, it's reflected in the MPG figures, so Getsuei's rails are narrower than Shouki's.

Taken the liberty of looking up the gauges for everyone:

4'8.5" Standard gauge: Shouki, Yukikaze
3'6" Narrow gauge: Getsuei, Kaen, Seizan, Suiken

Jelze Bunnycat wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Jelze Bunnycat wrote:O for Primus' sake... The whole accuracy thing is now getting ridiculous, but model train fans are gonna love what I have to say...

Remember how I talked about gauge and how scale can be measured from that? One caveat: The Model 0 Shinkansen Shouki uses 1,435mm or 4'8.5" standard gauge, but the JNR Class EF65 locomotive Getusei uses 1,067mm or 3'6" narrow gauge, and that is reflected in the MPG toys!

So what you're saying is is that Shouki can run on the North Western Railway while Getsuei can run on the Skarloey Railway.

I was thinking the same thing.

And then I was trying to look at the rails to see if they were different sizes. Would kinda suck not being able to couple them all up like that because they use the different rail gauges

You could, but the rails would look kinda off tho. Like I said, it's reflected in the MPG figures, so Getsuei's rails are narrower than Shouki's.

Taken the liberty of looking up the gauges for everyone:

4'8.5" Standard gauge: Shouki, Yukikaze
3'6" Narrow gauge: Getsuei, Kaen, Seizan, Suiken

Maybe the MPs will have adjustable wheels to let fans choose between real-world-accurate different gauges and fiction-accurate same gauges.

Like how MP Sunstreaker gave people the option to choose between real-world accuracy and Transformers-accuracy in either hiding or exposing his rear-mounted engine.

Meanwhile...

The first few hits:

PRE-ORDER Transformers Masterpiece MPG-02 Trainbot Getsuei
Pre-order scheduled to arrive in September

£129.99 - Kapow Toys (10% deposit available)

£129.99 - InDemand Toys (10% deposit available)

$209.99 - TFsource (Estimated Arrival: July '22)

$209.99 - Thechosenprime (Estimated Arrival: July '22)

MPG-02 Getsuei is now available on Pulse for the very competitive price of $140.99. USD Basically it is only the added Tax that Pulse charges(and the prospect of getting the item, before Pulse), that gives Amazon JP the slightest edge.

o.supreme wrote:MPG-02 Getsuei is now available on Pulse for the very competitive price of $140.99. USD Basically it is only the added Tax that Pulse charges(and the prospect of getting the item, before Pulse), that gives Amazon JP the slightest edge.

I'm happy for those who want him that get that price, the fact that the Pulse price is only dollars more than the import is pretty fantastic

I just got an estimated shipping date on MPG-02 from Amazon Japan, which was not unexpected (9/29-10/9). But every once in a while I like to check the price and do the conversion.

The price for Getsui actually went down again slightly. My total now is Y 16,335 which equates to just under $140 shipped. The price for Shouki stayed the same (Y 17,511), but because of the variance in exchange it is now down to just under $150.00 shipped (was closer to $155 before). I know exchange rates are always in fluctuation, and Shouki is still about 4 months away from release, but the price going down, even ever so slightly is never a bad thing.

I got that email too, was a nice update to get.

If my math is right, I have it figured out that within the next 3 weeks we should start getting a tease for the next MPG, and we are about 3 to 4 weeks away from the full reveal.

I had a similar thought. Definitely looking forward to it

I wonder if this Raiden will include the orange secondary chestplate, or if that'll be left out because of the Headmasters animators' negligence.

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:I wonder if this Raiden will include the orange secondary chestplate, or if that'll be left out because of the Headmasters animators' negligence.

Mad Blitzwing: Whaahahahaha! Why not do both?!

Jelze Bunnycat wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:I wonder if this Raiden will include the orange secondary chestplate, or if that'll be left out because of the Headmasters animators' negligence.

Mad Blitzwing: Whaahahahaha! Why not do both?!

What, include it and not include it simultaneously? How very Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy game.

I mean, obviously it would be possible to include the secondary chestplate but make it an optional part of the combination. But outright including it and not including it... I don't think Takara have removed their common sense that completely.

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:

Jelze Bunnycat wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:I wonder if this Raiden will include the orange secondary chestplate, or if that'll be left out because of the Headmasters animators' negligence.

Mad Blitzwing: Whaahahahaha! Why not do both?!

What, include it and not include it simultaneously? How very Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy game.

I mean, obviously it would be possible to include the secondary chestplate but make it an optional part of the combination. But outright including it and not including it... I don't think Takara have removed their common sense that completely.

Exactly!

Sadly I'm pretty sure I'm gonna have to cancel my Trainbots. They look really cool but $150 a pop is just too much, especially since there's other stuff I'm going to need to purchase this year