Takara Tomy Transformers Legends Super Ginrai Image Leaked

Super Ginrai: I need you in my life. I adore masterforce and Ginrai and this is superb. They didn't need to do half of these upgrades but I guess with Ginrai you go all out or go home

Other pics: anyone else notice a distinct lack of fortress/cerebros figures?

Sigma Magnus wrote:...aren't a few of those the Hasbro versions?

It's definitely the Hasbro Fortress Maximus.

ZeroWolf wrote:Other pics: anyone else notice a distinct lack of fortress/cerebros figures?

Remember, the Hasbro Cerebros/Emissary figure uses the US cartoon head design with the mouthplate which does not match the toy at all. TakaraTomy must want to keep their retool a surprise.

I just can't wait to see Takara do a Legends Brave Maximus or a Grand Maximus.

I can't wait to see them do Metrotitan

I hope takaras dumped the headmaster gimmick for this.

Sorry to break it to you two but I don't think any of them are happening

Prowl4 wrote:I hope takaras dumped the headmaster gimmick for this.

They didn't...we've known that for awhile now...

Sigma Magnus wrote:

Prowl4 wrote:I hope takaras dumped the headmaster gimmick for this.

They didn't...we've known that for awhile now...

And what department of takaras do you work in?

Sigma Magnus wrote:

Prowl4 wrote:I hope takaras dumped the headmaster gimmick for this.

They didn't...we've known that for awhile now...

I think he means for super ginrai, it's possible that they redesigned the cab to allow a new ginrai figure to attach to it like the godmasters of old.

Prowl4 wrote:

Sigma Magnus wrote:

Prowl4 wrote:I hope takaras dumped the headmaster gimmick for this.

They didn't...we've known that for awhile now...

And what department of takaras do you work in?

...are we really doing this again? Look at the packaging pictures a few pages back. Very clearly some Headmasters. Hell, look at the display, there are little Headmasters everywhere!

ZeroWolf wrote:

Sigma Magnus wrote:

Prowl4 wrote:I hope takaras dumped the headmaster gimmick for this.

They didn't...we've known that for awhile now...

I think he means for super ginrai, it's possible that they redesigned the cab to allow a new ginrai figure to attach to it like the godmasters of old.

Prowl4, if that's the case, please be more specific...

ZeroWolf wrote:Sorry to break it to you two but I don't think any of them are happening

I know sarcasm when I read it.

I think since they are going as far as they are with this retool, I'd say it's certainly a possibility they're making Ginrai a Powermaster instead of a Headmaster. That said, that's just pure speculation as we have nothing to prove either way; it's just a possibility - but one I feel is likely due to how far they are shown to be going with the retool.

Hell, this can be backed up by the fact that so far, we have not been shown any Takara takes on TR figures that were target/powermasters turned into headmasters.
"But wait, most beautiful supreme goddess Kurona!" I hear you cry, if greatly paraphrased and peppered with compliments in my head. "They've shown Scourge and Blurr who are still headmasters and not targetmasters!"
This is true. However... Blurr, Hot Rod, Kup, Cyclonus and Scourge were only rereleased and retooled as Targetmasters in 1987 by Hasbro. In Japan, they were not. So from the perspective of Takara, this is not changing Targetmasters into Headmasters - just changing characters with no notable gimmicks originally into Headmasters, like Galvatron and Astrotrain.

Therefore, the possibility remains open that Triggerhappy and all the rest could be given their Targetmaster status and such back with the Headmaster gimmick omitted. At the very least, it remains very possible for Ginrai - especially given the extent of his retool and given we had comments on the smaller Ginrai figure apparently being altered.


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Prowl4 wrote:

Sigma Magnus wrote:

Prowl4 wrote:I hope takaras dumped the headmaster gimmick for this.

They didn't...we've known that for awhile now...

And what department of takaras do you work in?

Dear Primus, you are not seriously starting this again

There are clearly headmasters on the figures you want 'remolded', the figures show off the headmaster gimmick on the display, and Yuki's facebook page, among other places; time to cut the trolling, and accept things the way they are

Kurona wrote:I think since they are going as far as they are with this retool, I'd say it's certainly a possibility they're making Ginrai a Powermaster instead of a Headmaster. That said, that's just pure speculation as we have nothing to prove either way; it's just a possibility - but one I feel is likely due to how far they are shown to be going with the retool.

Hell, this can be backed up by the fact that so far, we have not been shown any Takara takes on TR figures that were target/powermasters turned into headmasters.
"But wait, most beautiful supreme goddess Kurona!" I hear you cry, if greatly paraphrased and peppered with compliments in my head. "They've shown Scourge and Blurr who are still headmasters and not targetmasters!"
This is true. However... Blurr, Hot Rod, Kup, Cyclonus and Scourge were only rereleased and retooled as Targetmasters in 1987 by Hasbro. In Japan, they were not. So from the perspective of Takara, this is not changing Targetmasters into Headmasters - just changing characters with no notable gimmicks originally into Headmasters, like Galvatron and Astrotrain.

Therefore, the possibility remains open that Triggerhappy and all the rest could be given their Targetmaster status and such back with the Headmaster gimmick omitted. At the very least, it remains very possible for Ginrai - especially given the extent of his retool and given we had comments on the smaller Ginrai figure apparently being altered.


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Well, they're in luck, they should have several targetmaster molds available to them to use (gen cyclonus, Gen scoop's pair, and mp rodimus - if I'm not mistaken) plus it really shouldn't be too difficult to whip up a new mold

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Kurona wrote:I think since they are going as far as they are with this retool, I'd say it's certainly a possibility they're making Ginrai a Powermaster instead of a Headmaster. That said, that's just pure speculation as we have nothing to prove either way; it's just a possibility - but one I feel is likely due to how far they are shown to be going with the retool.

Hell, this can be backed up by the fact that so far, we have not been shown any Takara takes on TR figures that were target/powermasters turned into headmasters.
"But wait, most beautiful supreme goddess Kurona!" I hear you cry, if greatly paraphrased and peppered with compliments in my head. "They've shown Scourge and Blurr who are still headmasters and not targetmasters!"
This is true. However... Blurr, Hot Rod, Kup, Cyclonus and Scourge were only rereleased and retooled as Targetmasters in 1987 by Hasbro. In Japan, they were not. So from the perspective of Takara, this is not changing Targetmasters into Headmasters - just changing characters with no notable gimmicks originally into Headmasters, like Galvatron and Astrotrain.

Therefore, the possibility remains open that Triggerhappy and all the rest could be given their Targetmaster status and such back with the Headmaster gimmick omitted. At the very least, it remains very possible for Ginrai - especially given the extent of his retool and given we had comments on the smaller Ginrai figure apparently being altered.


... Typing something that long on a phone is bloody exhausting send help im dying

Well, they're in luck, they should have several targetmaster molds available to them to use (gen cyclonus, Gen scoop's pair, and mp rodimus - if I'm not mistaken) plus it really shouldn't be too difficult to whip up a new mold

Plus, while including a new mold might be too much for Hasbro due to them needing to keep to an exact price range (they are limited to making only as much for a deluxe as can be justified for $17 or whatever for instance) - Japan's market is a lot more free with no such standard price points, hence if making a new figure for the toy means increasing the price a little, that's fine. That's how they wete able to get away with arms micron Breakdown and how they're able to package titan master vehicles with hardhead, weirdwolf etc just fine.

Interesting, I wasn't aware of their freeform pricing. I'd had just assumed they were like hasbro and priced all the same size together. This makes a lot of sense now as to why they didn't mind the extra tooling on devy.

Thanks kurona You've taught me something quite interesting!

ZeroWolf wrote:Interesting, I wasn't aware of their freeform pricing. I'd had just assumed they were like hasbro and priced all the same size together. This makes a lot of sense now as to why they didn't mind the extra tooling on devy.

Thanks kurona You've taught me something quite interesting!

Very welcome!
Admittedly I don't know why the markets are so different, just that they are... the reason AM Breakdown remains import-exclusive ;-;

Kurona wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:Interesting, I wasn't aware of their freeform pricing. I'd had just assumed they were like hasbro and priced all the same size together. This makes a lot of sense now as to why they didn't mind the extra tooling on devy.

Thanks kurona You've taught me something quite interesting!

Very welcome!
Admittedly I don't know why the markets are so different, just that they are... the reason AM Breakdown remains import-exclusive ;-;

Well, that way, they never have to skimp on quality or vision to meet a set of constraints, they price the object at what it's worth, and their customers respect it knowing this. But, at the same time, it also creates loose ends, say they bump up pmop (for instance) to be more expensive, but people don't buy it, they lose money, whereas the Hasbro model probably allows for this through various outs, such as staggered case selections (for instance 2 bumblebee's and prime's for 1 quillfire and thunderhoof)

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Kurona wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:Interesting, I wasn't aware of their freeform pricing. I'd had just assumed they were like hasbro and priced all the same size together. This makes a lot of sense now as to why they didn't mind the extra tooling on devy.

Thanks kurona You've taught me something quite interesting!

Very welcome!
Admittedly I don't know why the markets are so different, just that they are... the reason AM Breakdown remains import-exclusive ;-;

Well, that way, they never have to skimp on quality or vision to meet a set of constraints, they price the object at what it's worth, and their customers respect it knowing this. But, at the same time, it also creates loose ends, say they bump up pmop (for instance) to be more expensive, but people don't buy it, they lose money, whereas the Hasbro model probably allows for this through various outs, such as staggered case selections (for instance 2 bumblebee's and prime's for 1 quillfire and thunderhoof)

Oh yeah, there's definetely pros and cons for each system. Even for the consumer, at least with Hasbro you have consistency - when you buy Weirdwolf, short of scalping or some shops having idiotic pricing you at least know every deluxe will cost the same so you can plan ahead with your money a bit easier. With Takara, it's a little trickier.
And even if you do know every price in advance, it's much easier to remember "titan master 5, legend 10, deluxe 17, voyager 23, leader 45, titan 150" than individual prices for every single figure.
Okay, that is admittedly a bit of a small factor when at the end of the day Takara's system - at least in theory - would assure a more quality package, but even so. Consistency and memory go hand in hand. ... Says the one who failed college psychology

Nah!!!!!!!!!! Too expensive! I'll stick to my Hasbro not Ginrai version. More bang for the buck!

What a lazy repaint! Fortmax is not wort the pound of plastic he's made off! Shame on you Hb and Takara for hoodwinking us fans!

Don't buy it folks! Vote with your wallets and stay away from this piece of turd, PRAY the Titan's line DIES ..............seriously

If you hate the item, naff of the negativity! And the topic. You ain't buying him anyway. But if you dig the mold, prepare your wallet for some serious butt kicking. That is if you can afford it and try not to rain on the people ( who want him) parade.

fenrir72 wrote:Nah!!!!!!!!!! Too expensive! I'll stick to my Hasbro not Ginrai version. More bang for the buck!

But... You know neither the price of ginrai nor how he'll turn out...
Is this a case of sarcasm being hard to detect on the internet? Because I'm not sure I get the joke

Kurona wrote:

fenrir72 wrote:Nah!!!!!!!!!! Too expensive! I'll stick to my Hasbro not Ginrai version. More bang for the buck!

But... You know neither the price of ginrai nor how he'll turn out...
Is this a case of sarcasm being hard to detect on the internet? Because I'm not sure I get the joke

He's taking a pot-shot at me (among others likely), because I dared to say that I thought (like some other's) that Fort Max wasn't worth retail price or higher, due to being an unsubtle remold, he's being unusually salty about it though. Apparently in his mind: not buying Fort Max = an end to the Titan class

Kurona wrote:... Typing something that long on a phone is bloody exhausting send help im dying

Kurona wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:Interesting, I wasn't aware of their freeform pricing. I'd had just assumed they were like hasbro and priced all the same size together. This makes a lot of sense now as to why they didn't mind the extra tooling on devy.

Thanks kurona You've taught me something quite interesting!

Very welcome!
Admittedly I don't know why the markets are so different, just that they are... the reason AM Breakdown remains import-exclusive ;-;

Yup yup, but it works both ways. When Takara rereleased Animated Lockdown as part of TAV, they considered him in between classes since his bot mode was so tall so they priced him higher than a deluxe.

william-james88 wrote:Animated Lockdown

Now, that was a figure

Hellscream9999 wrote:He's taking a pot-shot at me (among others likely), because I dared to say that I thought (like some other's) that Fort Max wasn't worth retail price or higher, due to being an unsubtle remold, he's being unusually salty about it though. Apparently in his mind: not buying Fort Max = an end to the Titan class

I just learnt today that TRU will be charging $229.99 CDN for Fort Max. Thats quite the increase. That's $180 US. Aint no way I'm paying that.

william-james88 wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:He's taking a pot-shot at me (among others likely), because I dared to say that I thought (like some other's) that Fort Max wasn't worth retail price or higher, due to being an unsubtle remold, he's being unusually salty about it though. Apparently in his mind: not buying Fort Max = an end to the Titan class

I just learnt today that TRU will be charging $229.99 CDN for Fort Max. Thats quite the increase. That's $180 US. Aint no way I'm paying that.

Figured they'd be marking him up, but even so, that's quite a bit

Prowl4 wrote:

Sigma Magnus wrote:

Prowl4 wrote:I hope takaras dumped the headmaster gimmick for this.

They didn't...we've known that for awhile now...

And what department of takaras do you work in?

I already gave you a Takara statement about this many pages ago.

Kurona wrote:I think since they are going as far as they are with this retool, I'd say it's certainly a possibility they're making Ginrai a Powermaster instead of a Headmaster. That said, that's just pure speculation as we have nothing to prove either way; it's just a possibility - but one I feel is likely due to how far they are shown to be going with the retool.

Hell, this can be backed up by the fact that so far, we have not been shown any Takara takes on TR figures that were target/powermasters turned into headmasters.
"But wait, most beautiful supreme goddess Kurona!" I hear you cry, if greatly paraphrased and peppered with compliments in my head. "They've shown Scourge and Blurr who are still headmasters and not targetmasters!"
This is true. However... Blurr, Hot Rod, Kup, Cyclonus and Scourge were only rereleased and retooled as Targetmasters in 1987 by Hasbro. In Japan, they were not. So from the perspective of Takara, this is not changing Targetmasters into Headmasters - just changing characters with no notable gimmicks originally into Headmasters, like Galvatron and Astrotrain.

Therefore, the possibility remains open that Triggerhappy and all the rest could be given their Targetmaster status and such back with the Headmaster gimmick omitted. At the very least, it remains very possible for Ginrai - especially given the extent of his retool and given we had comments on the smaller Ginrai figure apparently being altered.


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While this is a valid stance, the fact that of those 6 targetmaster characters we only know of Triggerhappy, to my recollection, being done by hasbro at the moment. So there is only 1 figure that fits your hypothesis for now.
While I'm not discounting for statement, you are painting it with a rather broad brush

Sigma Magnus wrote:

Prowl4 wrote:

Sigma Magnus wrote:

Prowl4 wrote:I hope takaras dumped the headmaster gimmick for this.

They didn't...we've known that for awhile now...

And what department of takaras do you work in?

...are we really doing this again? Look at the packaging pictures a few pages back. Very clearly some Headmasters. Hell, look at the display, there are little Headmasters everywhere!

In which department of takara do you work Hun?

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Prowl4 wrote:

Sigma Magnus wrote:

Prowl4 wrote:I hope takaras dumped the headmaster gimmick for this.

They didn't...we've known that for awhile now...

And what department of takaras do you work in?

Dear Primus, you are not seriously starting this again

There are clearly headmasters on the figures you want 'remolded', the figures show off the headmaster gimmick on the display, and Yuki's facebook page, among other places; time to cut the trolling, and acceprt things the way they are

Me thinks that you are the troll as you respond to everything i say. What department of takara are you in that makes you privy to this information? Jog on.

Hey everyone: give up the petty bickering.

Thank you.

ThunderThruster wrote:

Kurona wrote:I think since they are going as far as they are with this retool, I'd say it's certainly a possibility they're making Ginrai a Powermaster instead of a Headmaster. That said, that's just pure speculation as we have nothing to prove either way; it's just a possibility - but one I feel is likely due to how far they are shown to be going with the retool.

Hell, this can be backed up by the fact that so far, we have not been shown any Takara takes on TR figures that were target/powermasters turned into headmasters.
"But wait, most beautiful supreme goddess Kurona!" I hear you cry, if greatly paraphrased and peppered with compliments in my head. "They've shown Scourge and Blurr who are still headmasters and not targetmasters!"
This is true. However... Blurr, Hot Rod, Kup, Cyclonus and Scourge were only rereleased and retooled as Targetmasters in 1987 by Hasbro. In Japan, they were not. So from the perspective of Takara, this is not changing Targetmasters into Headmasters - just changing characters with no notable gimmicks originally into Headmasters, like Galvatron and Astrotrain.

Therefore, the possibility remains open that Triggerhappy and all the rest could be given their Targetmaster status and such back with the Headmaster gimmick omitted. At the very least, it remains very possible for Ginrai - especially given the extent of his retool and given we had comments on the smaller Ginrai figure apparently being altered.


... Typing something that long on a phone is bloody exhausting send help im dying

While this is a valid stance, the fact that of those 6 targetmaster characters we only know of Triggerhappy, to my recollection, being done by hasbro at the moment. So there is only 1 figure that fits your hypothesis for now.
While I'm not discounting for statement, you are painting it with a rather broad brush

Aye, that's fair enough - though we also do know we're getting Getaway (originally a Powermaster) and there's rumours of Quake (originally a Targetmaster), as remolds of Chromedome and Hardhead respectively.
I guess I was saying it that way just to keep it a bit more open in case they expand beyond Triggerhappy and Ginrai, haha. That said, there is also the fact that Triggerhappy being a headmaster could be integral to his transformation; we don't know yet. We know from Magnus that being a headmaster isn't integral to Ginrai so he's fair game.

That said, it's just a possibility. If you're holding your breath over the idea he might become a powermaster, uh, probably don't do that. Could go either way, I just said what I did because we know they're doing an extensive remold already and there isn't exactly precedence for the specific situation of Ginrai, Triggerhappy and whoever Quake and Getaway became in Japan.
Also keep in mind that the only other Masterforce stuff they've shown so far are Headmasters, but they were Headmasters originally anywho. Still holding out for that Minerva though.

Okay so never mind Quake was never released in Japan

agreed, we need to see more before we can confidently say what Takara are doing for those characters.

I would like to think that they will give us Mineva, and then Cab just so Ginrai can have the Headmaster Jr to fight alongside.

Would be nice for them to do a new Metal Hawk for the anniversary of Masterforce

Yeah, personally I think we just haven't got Minerva yet because she requires a retool. Nightbeat's face just... Doesn't work.
I think we will get her though. She and Ginrai always end up being the ones chosen out of those four for new toys and figures. Probably because girl

i would love a Minerva, even if they do just the Titanmaster for her, id try to get it. then id get a 2nd Getaway and paint the body up to be like minerva's with a shapways chestplate just to make it look better

oh and i see your point about minerva possibly needing a retool. for those who dont, enjoy this quick digibash of what nightbeats head mode looks like in minerva colors

Ew, yeah, that face does not fit Minerva at all.

Kurona wrote:Yeah, personally I think we just haven't got Minerva yet because she requires a retool. Nightbeat's face just... Doesn't work.
I think we will get her though. She and Ginrai always end up being the ones chosen out of those four for new toys and figures. Probably because girl

She'd be the only one out of the Juniors/standalone Titan Masters to require one, though.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Kurona wrote:Yeah, personally I think we just haven't got Minerva yet because she requires a retool. Nightbeat's face just... Doesn't work.
I think we will get her though. She and Ginrai always end up being the ones chosen out of those four for new toys and figures. Probably because girl

She'd be the only one out of the Juniors/standalone Titan Masters to require one, though.

Yeah, but it doesn't mean it won't happen. If anything shouldn't the fact that they only have to retool one make it more likely?

Kurona wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Kurona wrote:Yeah, personally I think we just haven't got Minerva yet because she requires a retool. Nightbeat's face just... Doesn't work.
I think we will get her though. She and Ginrai always end up being the ones chosen out of those four for new toys and figures. Probably because girl

She'd be the only one out of the Juniors/standalone Titan Masters to require one, though.

Yeah, but it doesn't mean it won't happen. If anything shouldn't the fact that they only have to retool one make it more likely?

My gut says quite the opposite, if only to maintain design trends. So far, only the Classic Headmasters got retools, but none of the Juniors as they were screen-accurate already. Time will tell I guess

Me likey Super Ginrai. Can't wait to see some colors!

Ooh, Scourge is looking nice.

I'm only just thinking of this now; what makes up the front of the ship? At first it seemed like something that would commonly be made up by the feet but now I'm realising they're a completely different colour and shape.

Kurona wrote:I'm only just thinking of this now; what makes up the front of the ship? At first it seemed like something that would commonly be made up by the feet but now I'm realising they're a completely different colour and shape.

the front of the ship seems to make the back of the feet and legs, with the front of the shins folding under the ship