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Thrown into the mix is also a concept doodle by Yuki of Ginrai - speculation time, or just some social media fodder from the vaults? Let us know what you think in the Energon Pub!
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Posted by fenrir72 on January 3rd, 2015 @ 6:58am CST
Posted by Doubledealer93 on January 3rd, 2015 @ 8:54am CST
Posted by Sabrblade on January 3rd, 2015 @ 9:45am CST
Yeah, I'm likewise thinking they might be sketches from the original 1988 toy's production.fenrir72 wrote:Those doodle are most probably for the original Ginrai/PM Optimus Prime.
But if not, they could instead have been something Yuki-san was drawing for the Fans Choice poll had Super Jinrai won instead of Star Saber.
Posted by fenrir72 on January 3rd, 2015 @ 10:20am CST
Sabrblade wrote:Yeah, I'm likewise thinking they might be sketches from the original 1988 toy's production.fenrir72 wrote:Those doodle are most probably for the original Ginrai/PM Optimus Prime.
But if not, they could instead have been something Yuki-san was drawing for the Fans Choice poll had Super Jinrai won instead of Star Saber.
More or less. But if this would have been another MP Ginrai, having a windshield for a back would be a slap to modern engineering techniques ( that or do the henkei convoy transform sequence) let alone be a Masterpiece.
Edt:
What's weird though is that for the first time, the original PM Optimus USA release had longer stacks while the die-cast cab Ginrai had shorter ones, why that didn't carry over to Yuki's doodle is kind of surprising. Another thing, if you still own the original Hasbro catalogue for the Powermaster/Pretenders, PM Optimus Prime was waaaaaaay different from the final product. That proto hand more angled feet and a proportional head.
Posted by leakin' lubricant on January 3rd, 2015 @ 10:26am CST
Nice, should be getting mine next week, cant wait!
Posted by Sabrblade on January 3rd, 2015 @ 10:29am CST
Not when that makes it show-accurate.fenrir72 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Yeah, I'm likewise thinking they might be sketches from the original 1988 toy's production.fenrir72 wrote:Those doodle are most probably for the original Ginrai/PM Optimus Prime.
But if not, they could instead have been something Yuki-san was drawing for the Fans Choice poll had Super Jinrai won instead of Star Saber.
More or less. But if this would have been another MP Ginrai, having a windshield for a back would be a slap to modern engineering techniques ( that or do the henkei convoy transform sequence) let alone be a Masterpiece.
Besides, MP-1 and MP-10 both had two truck grills, MP-9 had two flame hoods, etc.
Posted by fenrir72 on January 3rd, 2015 @ 10:43am CST
Sabrblade wrote:Not when that makes it show-accurate.fenrir72 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Yeah, I'm likewise thinking they might be sketches from the original 1988 toy's production.fenrir72 wrote:Those doodle are most probably for the original Ginrai/PM Optimus Prime.
But if not, they could instead have been something Yuki-san was drawing for the Fans Choice poll had Super Jinrai won instead of Star Saber.
More or less. But if this would have been another MP Ginrai, having a windshield for a back would be a slap to modern engineering techniques ( that or do the henkei convoy transform sequence) let alone be a Masterpiece.
Besides, MP-1 and MP-10 both had two truck grills, MP-9 had two flame hoods, etc.
I have no problem with the grills, that's were the Godmaster/engine attaches. It's the windshield on his back at an angle (gives Ginrai a stooping appearance)......me no like.
Posted by fenrir72 on January 3rd, 2015 @ 10:45am CST
leakin' lubricant wrote:
Nice, should be getting mine next week, cant wait!
D@mn holidays got my UM and Jetfire stuck at Tokyo expecting them in the next 2 weeks.
Posted by william-james88 on January 3rd, 2015 @ 10:53am CST
fenrir72 wrote:
I have no problem with the grills, that's were the Godmaster/engine attaches. It's the windshield on his back at an angle (gives Ginrai a stooping appearance)......me no like.
Ok, I know I will sound like a newbie but you guys have been nice and understanding before.
Why is this Ginrai and not Convoy?
Posted by Sabrblade on January 3rd, 2015 @ 11:00am CST
When the Powermaster Optimus Prime toy was released in Japan, it was as a new character named Ginrai (with a soft G, like "Jin-rye") since, in the Japanese cartoon continuity, Optimus/Convoy was already dead once again, so they decided to make it into a new character instead of bringing him back to life for a third time.william-james88 wrote:Why is this Ginrai and not Convoy?
Plus, the Powermaster concept in Japan was reworked into the Godmaster concept, which would have made it difficult for the toy to represent Convoy anyway, since it put more focus on the human rather than the Transtector.
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on January 3rd, 2015 @ 11:01am CST
william-james88 wrote:fenrir72 wrote:
I have no problem with the grills, that's were the Godmaster/engine attaches. It's the windshield on his back at an angle (gives Ginrai a stooping appearance)......me no like.
Ok, I know I will sound like a newbie but you guys have been nice and understanding before.
Why is this Ginrai and not Convoy?
The short story is that in the Japanese timeline, Convoy gets killed off (again) in The Headmasters. The difference is, he wouldn't be properly revived until after Zone in Return of Convoy, as Star Convoy.
Ginrai's body was meant for Convoy, but for unknown reasons, it was turned into a new character named Ginrai. The fact it was a lifeless Transtector (at first) controlled by a human (the Engine) akin to a Japanese Headmaster probably had something to do with it.
Posted by wetwithwaterwings on January 3rd, 2015 @ 11:19am CST
Posted by wetwithwaterwings on January 3rd, 2015 @ 11:20am CST
Posted by Sabrblade on January 3rd, 2015 @ 11:24am CST
Flanker's been redecoed into being the Micromaster Phaser partner of Blast Master (who is the real identity of Cosmos's Payload figure).wetwithwaterwings wrote:Takara's Flanker is a drastic departure from the U.S. release. I like how the gun mode mimics Swerve's "my first blaster" from MTMTE. Are those Flanker's original colors or is that a nod to something else?
Posted by Agamemnon on January 3rd, 2015 @ 12:23pm CST
Sabrblade wrote:When the Powermaster Optimus Prime toy was released in Japan, it was as a new character named Ginrai (with a hard G, like "Jin-rye")...
[Grammar Nazi] You meant "soft g" as in "jin" and not "hard g" like in "gun," right? [/grammar Nazi]
Sorry, it never happens that I get to correct Sabrblade. His knowledge is truly astounding!!
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on January 3rd, 2015 @ 12:24pm CST
Left: Blast Master (aka "Payload")
Right: Phaser
They each form one half of a Space Shuttle: Phaser is the front, Blast Master is the back.
Posted by Sabrblade on January 3rd, 2015 @ 12:30pm CST
Really? I thought it was the other way, since I figured the "guh" sound was softer to pronounce that the "juh" sound.Agamemnon wrote:Sabrblade wrote:When the Powermaster Optimus Prime toy was released in Japan, it was as a new character named Ginrai (with a hard G, like "Jin-rye")...
[Grammar Nazi] You meant "soft g" as in "jin" and not "hard g" like in "gun," right? [/grammar Nazi]
Sorry, it never happens that I get to correct Sabrblade. His knowledge is truly astounding!!
Fancy that.
Thanks. I'll edit it right away.
Posted by william-james88 on January 3rd, 2015 @ 1:44pm CST
Sabrblade wrote:Flanker's been redecoed into being the Micromaster Phaser partner of Blast Master (who is the real identity of Cosmos's Payload figure).wetwithwaterwings wrote:Takara's Flanker is a drastic departure from the U.S. release. I like how the gun mode mimics Swerve's "my first blaster" from MTMTE. Are those Flanker's original colors or is that a nod to something else?
Takara keeps impressing me. Even though Hasbro is the sole designer of the toys these days, they still make it their own whenever they have the chance, thats awesome!
Posted by Wolfman Jake on January 3rd, 2015 @ 1:45pm CST
Posted by Agamemnon on January 3rd, 2015 @ 1:55pm CST
Wolfman Jake wrote:Actually, Agamemnon, the pronunciation of the "G" in Ginrai is a matter of phonics, not grammar. Yes, I'm being that guy.
Nice call. But I've never heard of a Phonics Nazi... Are you the first?
Posted by william-james88 on January 3rd, 2015 @ 2:04pm CST
What I really was asking is how do we know that these drawing are of Ginrai and not Convoy?
Also, my instinct, was that this was detailing the takara release of Combiner Wars Optimus. This is entirely due to that shot of the truck's front with the different windows, drawn near the back of the cab. They look a lot like the chest of the Torso created using Combiner Wars Optimus. That would also explain the fact that he was several set of windows for transformation.
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on January 3rd, 2015 @ 2:09pm CST
william-james88 wrote:
What I really was asking is how do we know that these drawing are of Ginrai and not Convoy?
Also, my instinct, was that this was detailing the takara release of Combiner Wars Optimus. This is entirely due to that shot of the truck's front with the different windows, drawn near the back of the cab. They look a lot like the chest of the Torso created using Combiner Wars Optimus. That would also explain the fact that he was several set of windows for transformation.
Because Yuki said so in his post.
Posted by fenrir72 on January 3rd, 2015 @ 2:36pm CST
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:william-james88 wrote:
What I really was asking is how do we know that these drawing are of Ginrai and not Convoy?
Also, my instinct, was that this was detailing the takara release of Combiner Wars Optimus. This is entirely due to that shot of the truck's front with the different windows, drawn near the back of the cab. They look a lot like the chest of the Torso created using Combiner Wars Optimus. That would also explain the fact that he was several set of windows for transformation.
Because Yuki said so in his post.
And by checking out the Godmaster/PM toy.
Posted by Sabrblade on January 3rd, 2015 @ 3:17pm CST
That he did.JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:william-james88 wrote:
What I really was asking is how do we know that these drawing are of Ginrai and not Convoy?
Also, my instinct, was that this was detailing the takara release of Combiner Wars Optimus. This is entirely due to that shot of the truck's front with the different windows, drawn near the back of the cab. They look a lot like the chest of the Torso created using Combiner Wars Optimus. That would also explain the fact that he was several set of windows for transformation.
Because Yuki said so in his post.
ジンライ = "Jinrai" = "Ginrai".落書き帳の中に、いくつかジンライを検討している物も残っていた。う~ん、当時から好きだったんだなぁ♪
And, like fenrir72 pointed out, the truck mode design matches the original Ginrai toy pretty much exactly:
Posted by Flux Convoy on January 3rd, 2015 @ 3:17pm CST
Posted by Burn on January 3rd, 2015 @ 3:22pm CST
Plus we'd need the obligatory Nucleon Quest and Fire Guts repaints.
Posted by Flux Convoy on January 3rd, 2015 @ 3:31pm CST
Burn wrote:As long as we also get a God Bomber as well. Even if it was sold separately I wouldn't care.
Plus we'd need the obligatory Nucleon Quest and Fire Guts repaints.
Haven't you heard? Ginrai totally already exists, brah! Botcon 2014 fo life! Seriously though. I'd be all in. Also, for serious, I do very much enjoy the con figures this year.
He's a lot nicer in hand. The mock ups make him look kind of cruddy.
http://www.botcon.com/BotCon2014/BC14exclusives.html
Forgot about his gallery to better show him off.
http://www.seibertron.com/transformers- ... ai/3365/1/
Posted by chuckdawg1999 on January 3rd, 2015 @ 6:00pm CST
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:And to illustrate here are the G1 Micros:
Left: Blast Master (aka "Payload")
Right: Phaser
They each form one half of a Space Shuttle: Phaser is the front, Blast Master is the back.
These were fun Micromasters back in the day. I wish they were a little more price/valued on eBay nowadays.
Posted by chuckdawg1999 on January 3rd, 2015 @ 6:02pm CST
fenrir72 wrote:leakin' lubricant wrote:Nice, should be getting mine next week, cant wait!
D@mn holidays got my UM and Jetfire stuck at Tokyo expecting them in the next 2 weeks.
I would've had mine today if I would've caught the postman
Monday it will be then
Posted by Wolfman Jake on January 3rd, 2015 @ 8:04pm CST
Agamemnon wrote:Wolfman Jake wrote:Actually, Agamemnon, the pronunciation of the "G" in Ginrai is a matter of phonics, not grammar. Yes, I'm being that guy.
Nice call. But I've never heard of a Phonics Nazi... Are you the first?
I don't really like to bandy the word "Nazi" around too casually. Still a lot of awful history attached to that word, especially for any people they persecuted.
Posted by SW's SilverHammer on January 3rd, 2015 @ 8:25pm CST
Wolfman Jake wrote:Agamemnon wrote:Wolfman Jake wrote:Actually, Agamemnon, the pronunciation of the "G" in Ginrai is a matter of phonics, not grammar. Yes, I'm being that guy.
Nice call. But I've never heard of a Phonics Nazi... Are you the first?
I don't really like to bandy the word "Nazi" around too casually. Still a lot of awful history attached to that word, especially for any people they persecuted.
Is Phonics Phascist better ?
Posted by Wolfman Jake on January 3rd, 2015 @ 8:33pm CST
SW's SilverHammer wrote:Is Phonics Phascist better ?
That is genius.
Posted by Ultra Markus on January 3rd, 2015 @ 11:20pm CST
Posted by Burn on January 3rd, 2015 @ 11:28pm CST
Flux Convoy wrote:Burn wrote:As long as we also get a God Bomber as well. Even if it was sold separately I wouldn't care.
Plus we'd need the obligatory Nucleon Quest and Fire Guts repaints.
Haven't you heard? Ginrai totally already exists, brah! Botcon 2014 fo life! Seriously though. I'd be all in. Also, for serious, I do very much enjoy the con figures this year.
He's a lot nicer in hand. The mock ups make him look kind of cruddy.
http://www.botcon.com/BotCon2014/BC14exclusives.html
Forgot about his gallery to better show him off.
http://www.seibertron.com/transformers- ... ai/3365/1/
I don't acknowledge club exclusives. They're over-priced and over-hyped.
Posted by Ginrai Minor on January 4th, 2015 @ 8:02am CST
Posted by william-james88 on January 4th, 2015 @ 8:04am CST
Ultra Markus wrote:i think a masterpiece Ginrai would be spectacular! here is to hoping someday
Would he incorporate the MP 10 cab into his chest? (IMAGINE!)
Posted by Sabrblade on January 4th, 2015 @ 11:29am CST
You'd have to find a way to fold MP-10's legs in.william-james88 wrote:Ultra Markus wrote:i think a masterpiece Ginrai would be spectacular! here is to hoping someday
Would he incorporate the MP 10 cab into his chest? (IMAGINE!)
Posted by shajaki on January 4th, 2015 @ 2:15pm CST
i think if they did (and its a big IF) that they would just make a new base OP. i think itd be to much work to engineer a PM trailer around the MP10 (and retooling of MP10 to boot), which was actually the case of MP22.william-james88 wrote:Ultra Markus wrote:i think a masterpiece Ginrai would be spectacular! here is to hoping someday
Would he incorporate the MP 10 cab into his chest? (IMAGINE!)
Posted by Sabrblade on January 4th, 2015 @ 2:17pm CST
Not to mention that Ginrai's cab body is different from Optimus's.shajaki wrote:i think if they did (and its a big IF) that they would just make a new base OP. i think itd be to much work to engineer a PM trailer around the MP10 (and retooling of MP10 to boot), which was actually the case of MP22.william-james88 wrote:Ultra Markus wrote:i think a masterpiece Ginrai would be spectacular! here is to hoping someday
Would he incorporate the MP 10 cab into his chest? (IMAGINE!)
Posted by william-james88 on January 4th, 2015 @ 2:22pm CST
Sabrblade wrote:Not to mention that Ginrai's cab body is different from Optimus's.shajaki wrote:i think if they did (and its a big IF) that they would just make a new base OP. i think itd be to much work to engineer a PM trailer around the MP10 (and retooling of MP10 to boot), which was actually the case of MP22.william-james88 wrote:Ultra Markus wrote:i think a masterpiece Ginrai would be spectacular! here is to hoping someday
Would he incorporate the MP 10 cab into his chest? (IMAGINE!)
True and the original inrai didnt use the original optimus cab either. It would be a different optimus cab in this case (but it is a HUGE IF indeed).
Posted by Ultra Markus on January 4th, 2015 @ 4:47pm CST
william-james88 wrote:Ultra Markus wrote:i think a masterpiece Ginrai would be spectacular! here is to hoping someday
Would he incorporate the MP 10 cab into his chest? (IMAGINE!)
that would be cool but i think i would want to see something close to the original toy or show much like other masterpieces or maybe something as cool in detail as this: http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-new ... 483624.jpg
Posted by Sabrblade on January 4th, 2015 @ 4:49pm CST
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on January 4th, 2015 @ 5:38pm CST
Sabrblade wrote:Say, how'd we get talking about Masterpieces in the Legends thread, anyway?
Maybe including those sketched wasn't such a good idea after all...
Right, I got a dilemma: Swerve. The US version has Flanker, the Japanese has Phaser. As for Tailgate, the US version has flames (like the Prime version), while the Japanese version is all bare like the G1 original. I like extra deco (US Tailgate), and I like space craft (Japanese Phaser). Which to choose?
Posted by Sabrblade on January 4th, 2015 @ 5:45pm CST
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Say, how'd we get talking about Masterpieces in the Legends thread, anyway?
Maybe including those sketched wasn't such a good idea after all...
Right, I got a dilemma: Swerve. The US version has Flanker, the Japanese has Phaser. As for Tailgate, the US version has flames (like the Prime version), while the Japanese version is all bare like the G1 original. I like extra deco (US Tailgate), and I like space craft (Japanese Phaser). Which to choose?
Posted by william-james88 on January 4th, 2015 @ 6:12pm CST
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Say, how'd we get talking about Masterpieces in the Legends thread, anyway?
Maybe including those sketched wasn't such a good idea after all...
Right, I got a dilemma: Swerve. The US version has Flanker, the Japanese has Phaser. As for Tailgate, the US version has flames (like the Prime version), while the Japanese version is all bare like the G1 original. I like extra deco (US Tailgate), and I like space craft (Japanese Phaser). Which to choose?
Maybe i am missing something but to get the most out of deco, how about getting takara awerve and us tailgate? I myself will just get rakara swerve so that phaser can go with payload.
Posted by Sabrblade on January 4th, 2015 @ 6:17pm CST
Thing is, you can't get Takara Swerve or Takara Taigate separately since they come in a 2-pack.william-james88 wrote:JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Say, how'd we get talking about Masterpieces in the Legends thread, anyway?
Maybe including those sketched wasn't such a good idea after all...
Right, I got a dilemma: Swerve. The US version has Flanker, the Japanese has Phaser. As for Tailgate, the US version has flames (like the Prime version), while the Japanese version is all bare like the G1 original. I like extra deco (US Tailgate), and I like space craft (Japanese Phaser). Which to choose?
Maybe i am missing something but to get the most out of deco, how about getting takara awerve and us tailgate? I myself will just get rakara swerve so that phaser can go with payload.
Posted by Burn on January 4th, 2015 @ 6:32pm CST
william-james88 wrote:True and the original inrai didnt use the original optimus cab either.
He could though if you folded his legs up behind the cab.
Posted by william-james88 on January 4th, 2015 @ 6:38pm CST
Posted by chuckdawg1999 on January 4th, 2015 @ 10:15pm CST
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Say, how'd we get talking about Masterpieces in the Legends thread, anyway?
Maybe including those sketched wasn't such a good idea after all...
Right, I got a dilemma: Swerve. The US version has Flanker, the Japanese has Phaser. As for Tailgate, the US version has flames (like the Prime version), while the Japanese version is all bare like the G1 original. I like extra deco (US Tailgate), and I like space craft (Japanese Phaser). Which to choose?
Buy all of them and support the brand. It's better to be in a cardboard box then not buy toys, we may never get them again!
Posted by Flux Convoy on January 5th, 2015 @ 2:00pm CST
Burn wrote:Flux Convoy wrote:Burn wrote:As long as we also get a God Bomber as well. Even if it was sold separately I wouldn't care.
Plus we'd need the obligatory Nucleon Quest and Fire Guts repaints.
Haven't you heard? Ginrai totally already exists, brah! Botcon 2014 fo life! Seriously though. I'd be all in. Also, for serious, I do very much enjoy the con figures this year.
He's a lot nicer in hand. The mock ups make him look kind of cruddy.
http://www.botcon.com/BotCon2014/BC14exclusives.html
Forgot about his gallery to better show him off.
http://www.seibertron.com/transformers- ... ai/3365/1/
I don't acknowledge club exclusives. They're over-priced and over-hyped.
I can't tell you that your opinion is wrong but... wait. Yes, I can. Your opinion is wrong.
They're certainly not cheap though. I dunno, there's very few club figures I'm not pleased with. The pricing is hardly any more or less absurd than third parties either. I buy those too. Do you buy those? Not picking a fight, I'm making conversation.