Takara Masterpiece Dinobot prototype revealed

It is said that MP Primal comes up to Dinobot's shoulders.

Sabrblade wrote:It is said that MP Primal comes up to Dinobot's shoulders.

If they continue to go cartoon-accurate in size relative to the other characters, that's pretty much a given considering he was quite a tall bot in the show.

I haven't found a size chart yet, but Rhinox and Dinobot were both bigger than Primal, Tigatron was Primal's size, Cheetor and Airazor were slightly smaller, and then Rattrap was even smaller than them.

wilcosu35 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:It is said that MP Primal comes up to Dinobot's shoulders.

If they continue to go cartoon-accurate in size relative to the other characters, that's pretty much a given considering he was quite a tall bot in the show.

I haven't found a size chart yet, but Rhinox and Dinobot were both bigger than Primal, Tigatron was Primal's size, Cheetor and Airazor were slightly smaller, and then Rattrap was even smaller than them.

As they all should be.

Rattrap needs to be much smaller than his Generations Deluxe toy, and Rhinox bigger than his Generations Voyager toy.

I believe Dinobot was the tallest, followed closely by Rhinox. I remember one episode when Rhinox got angry with Dinobot and grabbed him by the throat, lifting him up. His hand had to go upto do so, which made it more impressive that Dinobot was left dangling off the floor.

I believe Rhinox's eye level should be about Dinobot's neck.

Insurgent wrote:I believe Dinobot was the tallest, followed closely by Rhinox. I remember one episode when Rhinox got angry with Dinobot and grabbed him by the throat, lifting him up. His hand had to go upto do so, which made it more impressive that Dinobot was left dangling off the floor.

I believe Rhinox's eye level should be about Dinobot's neck.

Lesson: Never make Rhinox angry. You won't like him when he's angry.

LOL no cellphones, and no cameras allowed. Good luck trying to enforce that.

karyuudo wrote:LOL no cellphones, and no cameras allowed. Good luck trying to enforce that.

there's even literally a camera IN THAT PICTURE.

megamanfan wrote:

karyuudo wrote:LOL no cellphones, and no cameras allowed. Good luck trying to enforce that.

there's even literally a camera IN THAT PICTURE.

Haha, that's either the event organizer or their own people, recording the presentation for record purposes.

Seriously what did they do to that Raptor Head? It looks like something you'd get on a plushy.

Ironhidensh wrote:I just have to say, I'll be super pissed if he doesn't come with an "improvised" stone-age weapon.

Same, same!

Also, HELL YEAH!

Sunova... Well, now I gotta go change my response to Cram saying there is a 4th MP that I am stoked for. Megs reissue, Artfire, Movie Bee, and now this. This guy will most likely be my first BW mp, He looks perfect and I love this so far!

Can't wait for Dinobot to join Primal and Cheetor on my shelf, he was always one of my favorites.

Said shelf should be just tall enough to accommodate him.

Dainobotto, Henshin!

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It's about damn time!

Enhance!



Sculpted scales........ What the F??!
I'm not against it by any means... but where's the consistency? Primal and Cheetor didn't get any fur sculpting

shajaki wrote:I'm not against it by any means... but where's the consistency? Primal and Cheetor didn't get any fur sculpting

Dinobot's Mainframe CG model had sculpted scales.






Primal's and Cheetor's CG models were smooth-surfaced, so it's just Takara's usual fidelity to screen-accuracy.

After months of no news regarding this figure, the latest Figure King magazine finally gives us a new image of the next Beast Wars Masterpiece, Dinobot. It is only of the beast mode but we can make quite a bit from it. We see he has textured skin which is different from Primal and Cheetor who had smooth panels with little sculpting in beast mode. Also, we see his beast mode hands have ports which mean that he may have an accessory to be held in beast mode. Also, we see has a hinge at the top of his dino face with a panel going along his eyes hinting that he will probably have the ability to change beast mode eyes, as was the case with Cheetor. He also has a hinged mouth, but we expected that part. Hopefully this tides you over until next month when we should be getting better images in the same magazine.

Sabrblade wrote:

shajaki wrote:I'm not against it by any means... but where's the consistency? Primal and Cheetor didn't get any fur sculpting

Dinobot's Mainframe CG model had sculpted scales.

Primal's and Cheetor's CG models were smooth-surfaced, so it's just Takara's usual fidelity to screen-accuracy.

.......Hmmmmmmm... I do see what you're saying.. but how can the argument not me made saying it just looks like that? That the scales are simply painted on the CG skin, made to mimic the look of scales?

Your point is good enough to quell me though. I can see it either way.

shajaki wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

shajaki wrote:I'm not against it by any means... but where's the consistency? Primal and Cheetor didn't get any fur sculpting

Dinobot's Mainframe CG model had sculpted scales.

Primal's and Cheetor's CG models were smooth-surfaced, so it's just Takara's usual fidelity to screen-accuracy.

.......Hmmmmmmm... I do see what you're saying.. but how can the argument not me made saying it just looks like that? That the scales are simply painted on the CG skin, made to mimic the look of scales?

Your point is good enough to quell me though. I can see it either way.

A closer look at some of Dinobot's CG scales reveals some lighting and shading applied to the little tiny scales that emulates the depths and shaping of each scale, which is a little more complex than simply having scale-based lines painted over his skin render. Otherwise, the light ought to be reflecting off each scale in a manner consistent with how light reflect off of smooth surfaces, instead of reflecting inconsistently across multiple bumps and pits of a non-uniform surface.

Looks like Mainframe put much greater detailed effort into designing and rendering Dinobot's (and Megatron's, for that matter) skin than they did for those of Primal and Cheetor. I guess since Jurassic Park was still big at the time, the dinosaurs got extra special treatment.

Wow,he looks really well articulated!

I know a guy who'll love this! definantly into this one more than Primal and Cheetor but srsly where's the Rattrap love Takara?

Choppaface!

They had me a little worried that ol' Dinobutt would never see the light of day.
I have a shelf set up just for Masterpiece Beast Wars figures and to leave me hanging with only Primal and Cheetor would have been a tragedy.

Sabrblade wrote:

shajaki wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

shajaki wrote:I'm not against it by any means... but where's the consistency? Primal and Cheetor didn't get any fur sculpting

Dinobot's Mainframe CG model had sculpted scales.

Primal's and Cheetor's CG models were smooth-surfaced, so it's just Takara's usual fidelity to screen-accuracy.

.......Hmmmmmmm... I do see what you're saying.. but how can the argument not me made saying it just looks like that? That the scales are simply painted on the CG skin, made to mimic the look of scales?

Your point is good enough to quell me though. I can see it either way.

A closer look at some of Dinobot's CG scales reveals some lighting and shading applied to the little tiny scales that emulates the depths and shaping of each scale, which is a little more complex than simply having scale-based lines painted over his skin render. Otherwise, the light ought to be reflecting off each scale in a manner consistent with how light reflect off of smooth surfaces, instead of reflecting inconsistently across multiple bumps and pits of a non-uniform surface.

Looks like Mainframe put much greater detailed effort into designing and rendering Dinobot's (and Megatron's, for that matter) skin than they did for those of Primal and Cheetor. I guess since Jurassic Park was still big at the time, the dinosaurs got extra special treatment.

Realistic fur is really hard to actually create in CGI, let alone to animate it. Studios have only just begun to master it, thanks in part of the computer's abilities, or lack thereof, to render a ridiculous amount of objects on a single model, let alone multiple. Plus, by comparison episodic series have a smaller budget per section than a feature length movie, which doesn't help.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

shajaki wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

shajaki wrote:I'm not against it by any means... but where's the consistency? Primal and Cheetor didn't get any fur sculpting

Dinobot's Mainframe CG model had sculpted scales.

Primal's and Cheetor's CG models were smooth-surfaced, so it's just Takara's usual fidelity to screen-accuracy.

.......Hmmmmmmm... I do see what you're saying.. but how can the argument not me made saying it just looks like that? That the scales are simply painted on the CG skin, made to mimic the look of scales?

Your point is good enough to quell me though. I can see it either way.

A closer look at some of Dinobot's CG scales reveals some lighting and shading applied to the little tiny scales that emulates the depths and shaping of each scale, which is a little more complex than simply having scale-based lines painted over his skin render. Otherwise, the light ought to be reflecting off each scale in a manner consistent with how light reflect off of smooth surfaces, instead of reflecting inconsistently across multiple bumps and pits of a non-uniform surface.

Looks like Mainframe put much greater detailed effort into designing and rendering Dinobot's (and Megatron's, for that matter) skin than they did for those of Primal and Cheetor. I guess since Jurassic Park was still big at the time, the dinosaurs got extra special treatment.

Realistic fur is really hard to actually create in CGI, let alone to animate it. Studios have only just begun to master it, thanks in part of the computer's abilities, or lack thereof, to render a ridiculous amount of objects on a single model, let alone multiple. Plus, by comparison episodic series have a smaller budget per section than a feature length movie, which doesn't help.

Yeah, they made a big deal of showing hair off in Shrek 2 on Prince Charming.

If you watch the end of Beast Wars and then go watch the beginning you see a major change of quality. They got better stuff as the series went on. When I first saw the series I was just impressed that we got 3D transformers.

Oh, and Dinobot is just awesome. Fav char by far from Beast Wars. Definitely lovin' this masterpiece so far.

I just realised how big he's going to be. I presume he'll be show accurate and scale well with the others, which means he'll be head and shoulders above Primal. That's super exciting.

It's been a while since I watched the show so this only just clicked.

butcher31 wrote:I just realised how big he's going to be. I presume he'll be show accurate and scale well with the others, which means he'll be head and shoulders above Primal. That's super exciting.

It's been a while since I watched the show so this only just clicked.

Yep, exciting is the right word! While LG Rattrap and Rhinox are pretty good stand-ins from a scale perspective, this will presumably be the first Dinobot anywhere close to the "correct" size and that's just amazing and kind of surreal.

What do y'all think is next - Tigatron retooling, Megatron, or another Primal repaint?

ScottyP wrote:What do y'all think is next - Tigatron retooling, Megatron, or another Primal repaint?

Hopefully Megatron.

Always count on redecos happening first I honestly think the next thing we'll get is a Dinobot mold re-use. He's certainly got a lot to choose from...
But after that? I'll be surprised if Megatron isn't next.

Kurona wrote:Always count on redecos happening first I honestly think the next thing we'll get is a Dinobot mold re-use. He's certainly got a lot to choose from..

He does? I can see Takara doing a Thrustor retool, maybe a toy deco version, but outside of that it'd have to be Grimlock or Fox Kids or some US toy-only deco that I can't imagine them touching. Would be happy to be way wrong about this, for the record!

ScottyP wrote:

Kurona wrote:Always count on redecos happening first I honestly think the next thing we'll get is a Dinobot mold re-use. He's certainly got a lot to choose from..

He does? I can see Takara doing a Thrustor retool, maybe a toy deco version, but outside of that it'd have to be Grimlock or Fox Kids or some US toy-only deco that I can't imagine them touching. Would be happy to be way wrong about this, for the record!

Original toy, BWN Hardhead, the Season 3 Cyberraptors... they used this mold a lot.

Ah, yep I forgot Hardhead in Neo but good call! Cyber raptors would surprise me but if the mold sells super well I could see it as a quick cash-in

Excited to see that we are finally making ground with this figure. I was hoping to pick Dinobot up, considering how great I found the character. I wasn't that impressed with Cheetor, and I didn't have the money to get Primal, so hopefully he is good and i have money!

As for your question Scotty, Megatron has to come soon. I wouldn't be surprised to see Tigatron soon, but they had better do a Megatron soon.

I had completely forgotten that this figure was coming. I expect the price will be around the seeker range, though, if it is going to be taller than Primal. That is quite deflating.

Kurona wrote:Always count on redecos happening first I honestly think the next thing we'll get is a Dinobot mold re-use. He's certainly got a lot to choose from...
But after that? I'll be surprised if Megatron isn't next.

They could release a Clone version, with his transformation joints glued together

shajaki wrote:

Kurona wrote:Always count on redecos happening first I honestly think the next thing we'll get is a Dinobot mold re-use. He's certainly got a lot to choose from...
But after that? I'll be surprised if Megatron isn't next.

They could release a Clone version, with his transformation joints glued together

Oh man, actually, how many people are gonna buy two MP Dinobots because of the clone?

Kurona wrote:

shajaki wrote:

Kurona wrote:Always count on redecos happening first I honestly think the next thing we'll get is a Dinobot mold re-use. He's certainly got a lot to choose from...
But after that? I'll be surprised if Megatron isn't next.

They could release a Clone version, with his transformation joints glued together

Oh man, actually, how many people are gonna buy two MP Dinobots because of the clone?

Well, NOW that you guys brought up the idea...

Of course

Come to think of it, this sort of schedule would imply MP Dinobot is coming out sometime next year, right? As are the POTP Dinobots, and any possible redecos of any of those. Year of the friggin' Dinosaurs and related creatures dude!

Sabrblade wrote:

Kurona wrote:

shajaki wrote:

Kurona wrote:Always count on redecos happening first I honestly think the next thing we'll get is a Dinobot mold re-use. He's certainly got a lot to choose from...
But after that? I'll be surprised if Megatron isn't next.

They could release a Clone version, with his transformation joints glued together

Oh man, actually, how many people are gonna buy two MP Dinobots because of the clone?

Well, NOW that you guys brought up the idea...

Because of my Dinobot Shrine, I was actually going to buy 3 right outta the gate

Kurona wrote:Of course

Come to think of it, this sort of schedule would imply MP Dinobot is coming out sometime next year, right? As are the POTP Dinobots, and any possible redecos of any of those. Year of the friggin' Dinosaurs and related creatures dude!

Well, if Dinobot ends up being MP-41 (remember that Primal fiasco with MP-31 going to an out of nowhere Delta Magnus and Primal going back to MP-32, I ain't gonna say for sure yet) he should come out around April or May, seeing as how Sunstreaker is December and Targetmaster Hot Rod is February, that would be my guess

After the latest news about the character - his appearance in the Kabam Studios Forged to Fight mobile game, reported here - we have another update on the next figure in a high-end collectible toyline from Takara Tomy Transformers: Masterpiece MP-41 Dinobot, the third of the Beast Wars character to receive the plastic incarnation treatment!

While we still have very little news about the fan-favourite Predacon turned Maximal, Loopaza Mega Store on Facebook brings us a release date and a price - and you may not be happy about the latter. According to their source, we're looking at 28000 Yen (approx 245 USD at the time of writing), making it the priciest MP figure to date, due in July 2018. What do you make of this new information? Is it a turn-off? Let us know in the Energon Pub!

Takaratomy Transformers Next Masterpiece

We have a confirmation on the coming up Transformers Masterpiece MP-41 will be the expected Dinobot from Beast Wars. But there is surprising pricey on him as we have been told the Retail Price is 28,000 JPY!

Meanwhile, we are not sure how big Dinobot will be or just Takaratomy send out a wrong information on the price. If this is the final case, Dinobot will be the most expensive MP so far.

Price: 28,000 JPY
Release Date: July, 2018

Well that is a massive deal breaker, if true. I won't even pay that for superior 3rd party product.



It has to be an error.

Ironhidensh wrote:Well that is a massive deal breaker, if true. I won't even pay that for superior 3rd party product.



It has to be an error.

We are waiting for other sources to confirm what the situation actually is, but that is currently the price reported by all retailers carrying the figure.

Hell no. Only time I've paid that much was either a 3P combiner, or TM3 Megatron. And even then, they were a rarity because it was my favourite combiner and a Beast Wars botcon that was the last one. But for a regular MP release? Unless it comes with a full sized Axalon control room diorama with tables and chairs, all interest in this has gone instantly.

If they are keeping Dinobot in scale with the other MP figures, he should be a head taller than MP Primal... but... yikes. I don't see that causing such a price hike. What are they expecting to include with him, a MP Rattrap to ride on top of him???

what in the holy hand grenades of antiok are they thinking? what does he come with? the axalon bridge?

Megatron was that price so he’s gotta he that big. I mean he is dinobot after all and he better come with a slew of accessories. His blaster from code of a hero, swappable bartle damage, golden discs etc

Maybe he'll come with his full-size clone who transforms into a wall mount.

BBTS has their preorder up at $249. I assume that's based on the same info Takara sent other retailers.

Unless Dinobot is as complex a figure as MP Megatron I can't see any justification for that price. If this is the new reality for Masterpiece figures, I'm out.

Gonna go ahead and echo what everyone else is saying: unless there's some kind of an error or he really does come with some amazing accessories, I'm out. Shame, too.