Steve Jablonsky Exclusive Track for Transformers: The Last Knight Now Live

My wife and I just got back from seeing the movie. I have been disappointed by every live action ablution beside the first one, which was cool as a live action realization of the Transformers but plotless and boring otherwise.
I went in to this one with the lowest of expectations. I expected to see moving images and hear loud noises for two and a half hours. And I was still incredibly disappointed by this movie. I know there's a word filter that will block swear words, so there isn't a way I can express my feelings about this film. But this, like the last three movies, is a bad, bad, nonsensical and stupid movie.

Deadput wrote:So this movie has a 13 percent on RT right now which is lower from ROTF and AOE's 19 and 18 percent.

I'm calling Bull since everyone believes Bay's the god damn devil.

Why do people expect more out of transforming robot action movie Transformers as an idea will never be good only entertaining just like how every cartoon has been objectively bad but entertaining even if Bay and every other person left the film or if Disney made them they would still be the same!

It god damn bombed and with the lackluster mostly unknown Rid cartoon and the dwindling comic sales this franchise is going to crash and burn and end just like GI Joe and every other "franchise" Hasbro has made into films.


And people think the Star Wars films are "good" instead of just simply entertaining.

I think people expect a good movie. Not Citizen Kane, but a decent movie. That's not too lofty or unreasonable of an expectation. And, it's not impossible for TF fiction to be quality. The movies are just bad.

Deadput wrote:Why do people expect more out of transforming robot action movie Transformers as an idea will never be good only entertaining just like how every cartoon has been objectively bad but entertaining even if Bay and every other person left the film or if Disney made them they would still be the same!

As long as objectively good quality Transformers stories like "Code of Hero" exist, this argument will never ever be true.

Dagon wrote:I think people expect a good movie. Not Citizen Kane, but a decent movie. That's not too lofty or unreasonable of an expectation. And, it's not impossible for TF fiction to be quality. The movies are just bad.

I don't know man I just got back from the movie expecting a trash heap and I'm surprised to say...I enjoyed the whole movie besides three nitpicks!

The fact that Cogman's headmaster scenes were cut. (As well as many scenes from filming that are just gone like at least 20 minutes of it)

Topspin randomly having Leadfoot's head (Still enjoy the confirmation he is alive regardless)

That random Contructicon Autobot at the junkyard who is there for 10 seconds before never showing up again ( Did not hate it but I'm just confused on what the point of him was)

But honestly am I crazy, everyone else is, or do I just have a terrible sense of taste?

Sabrblade wrote:

Deadput wrote:Why do people expect more out of transforming robot action movie Transformers as an idea will never be good only entertaining just like how every cartoon has been objectively bad but entertaining even if Bay and every other person left the film or if Disney made them they would still be the same!

As long as objectively good quality Transformers stories like "Code of Hero" exist, this argument will never ever be true.

One offs that can't be repeated especially not in movie format unless the cast is incredibly small and has only one or two main characters as opposed to... well most Transformers media.

We have never gotten another Code of Hero or Last stand of the Wreckers even when people have attempted to (Hi Sins of the Wreckers as enjoyable as you were you were also disappointing)

Just came back from watching it. it wasnt good. So little time spent on bot on bot action they might as well not be in the film. Its just humans running away from explosions and trying to get a stick for 2.5 hours.

At least now i know Berserker was indeed in the film.

Deadput wrote:

Dagon wrote:I think people expect a good movie. Not Citizen Kane, but a decent movie. That's not too lofty or unreasonable of an expectation. And, it's not impossible for TF fiction to be quality. The movies are just bad.

I don't know man I just got back from the movie expecting a trash heap and I'm surprised to say...I enjoyed the whole movie besides three nitpicks!

Spoilers, man! This is the spoiler-free thread.

Deadput wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Deadput wrote:Why do people expect more out of transforming robot action movie Transformers as an idea will never be good only entertaining just like how every cartoon has been objectively bad but entertaining even if Bay and every other person left the film or if Disney made them they would still be the same!

As long as objectively good quality Transformers stories like "Code of Hero" exist, this argument will never ever be true.

One offs that can't be repeated especially not in movie format unless the cast is incredibly small and has only one or two main characters as opposed to... well most Transformers media.

We have never gotten another Code of Hero or Last stand of the Wreckers even when people have attempted to (Hi Sins of the Wreckers as enjoyable as you were you were also disappointing)

I was responding to your claim of "since no Transformers fiction has ever been objective good, the films shouldn't be either."[/paraphrasing]

Sabrblade wrote:Spoilers, man! This is the spoiler-free thread.

What spoilers?

The only thing I can think of is nitpick number two and it had nothing to do with spoilers.

Nitpick number 1 wasn't in the movie and neither were things in the trailers.

Nitpick number 3 was about some completely pointless and unsignificant thing in the background in the first 30 minutes that had nothing to do with anything before or afterwards like honestly that's not a spoiler.

Edit: I went and spoil marked it anyways.

Deadput wrote:

Dagon wrote:I think people expect a good movie. Not Citizen Kane, but a decent movie. That's not too lofty or unreasonable of an expectation. And, it's not impossible for TF fiction to be quality. The movies are just bad.

I don't know man I just got back from the movie expecting a trash heap and I'm surprised to say...I enjoyed the whole movie besides three nitpicks!



But honestly am I crazy, everyone else is, or do I just have a terrible sense of taste?

It's not any of those things, man. You enjoyed the movie, and that's all that matters. You're not going to be the only person who enjoyed it, and I won't be the only person who didn't. I'm glad you enjoyed it; and frankly, I think most of the people who dislike the movies are glad for the people who do enjoy them. We just disagree on the quality of them, but don't think the other side is bad for their opinions. Most of us: there are people who take it much more seriously than they should on both sides.

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Deadput, are you happy to know that Berserker is actually in the film?

Am back after a week now I've seen the film so not scared of spoilers.

I f***ing loved it. Have had a rough week so needed something to cheer me up and I was smiling through almost the entire movie. Loved the new guys like Cogman and Hot Rod and Sqweeks, I liked the new human characters, found the reveal about Earth quite similar to an idea I had back during the Marvel comic days and was so damn happy with the gorgeous robot scenes and beautiful views throughout. Yeah I won't say it's perfect but I had so much more fun with this movie than many other supposedly good blockbusters in recent times (that's aimed at The Godawful Force Awakens and pretty much any MCU/DCEU film, haven't seen Wonder Woman yet). Even though I was in the small screen room (as I was seeing it very early in the day) the rest of the audience cheered and laughed at appropiate bits. One kid yelled YAY at the first appearance of Bee. I yayed at the first appearance of Megatron. Dunno why I did that, maybe cos i love the voyager toy so much it was glad to see the character in action and he was awesome.

Am very eager for the Blu Ray so I can pause and examine the robots some more. I'e only really enjoyed a couple new movies in the past couple years. This is one and Logan was the other. Yeah there's somethings I found a bit flawed but on the whole this movie really cheered me up and I'm keen to see it again really soon.

And seriously I want some mini-Dinobots. And Sqweeks. Not toys. The actual robots. Also why aren't all the toys available now? I really wanted to buy Hot Rod and Cogman and Nitro and Skullitron when I left the cinema but not even wave 2 stuff is available around here.

To those who don't like it, that's cool and you got all those animated shows and IDW comics I reeeeally don't like so we're all good.



Oh and I have a small task for you lot. Since Deluxe Hot Rod has no gun, which of the many TF guns over the years would work best for him and look like his rather cool time-slowy-down gun from the film?

Thanks to our friends at Paramount, Seibertron.com was allowed press access to the US Premiere of the Transformers The Last Knight. The red carpet event took place alongside the Chicago Riverfront alongside the famed Civic Opera House in downtown Chicago, IL. My wife and I were there alongside the rest of the press covering the event. We had two cameras and a couple of cell phones to help us provide as much exclusive content for Seibertron.com as we possibly could. One of our cameras was setup for video and the other for photos. For now, we just have the photos posted of the event and are currently editing the video footage to share with all of you later.


Civic Opera House Building in Chicago, IL


Our press badge


Tickets to the US premiere screening and to the Post Party


Ryan Yzquierdo on the red carpet between MTV Snapchat and Univision's Hoy. We are in front of the Barricade blow-up car.




Hasbro's Transformers Brand Team


Producer Tom DeSanto talking to Seibertron.com


Producer Don Murphy (center) and Executive Producer Mark Vahradian (far left)


Peter Cullen and Frank Welker (voices of Optimus Prime and Megatron respectively)


Producer Lorenzo Di Bonaventura


Remi Adeleke (TRF Lieutenant)


Sir Anthony Hopkins signing autographs for fans, alongside Seibertron.com's Ryan Yzquierdo


Sir Anthony Hopkins talking to Seibertron.com's Ryan Yzquierdo


Jerrod Carmichael (Jimmy) talking to Seibertron.com


Santiago_Cabrera (Santos from TRF) talking to Seibertron.com


Juliocesar Chavez gives Seibertron.com 2 thumbs up!


Laura Haddock (Vivian) and Josh Duhamel (Lennox) having fun with fans on the red carpet!


Josh Duhamel (Lennox) talking to Hoy Univision


Isabela Moner (Izabella) strikes a pose for Seibertron.com


Laura Haddock (Vivian) talking to other press.


The stars gathered at the end of the red carpet


Director Michael Bay talks to Seibertron.com for a moment!


Mark Wahlberg (Cade Yaeger) talks to Hoy, checking out Seibertron.com!


Ryan and Lori Yzquierdo inside the Civic Opera House


The cast of Transformers The Last Knight prior to the screening


Ryan Yzquierdo with Producer Tom DeSanto at the Last Knight's after party event. He and I had a great conversation and he completely won me over after he talked to me about Professor X, Magneto, Optimus, Megatron, being a fan in the 80s, the Marvel TF comics, and so on. Even got to talk to him about Jon Bailey's amazing Optimus Prime voice! Tom completely convinced me that he truly is a fan of these properties after talking X-Men and Transformers with me for about 10 minutes.


Ryan Yzquierdo with Ben Montano and John Warden from Hasbro's Transformers Brand Team.

The US Premiere was an absolutely amazing experience, especially for a long time Transformers fan like myself. It was very cool that Paramount let Seibertron.com onto the red carpet alongside regular press such as WGN, ABC, Access Hollywood, Entertainment Tonight, MTV and Univision (to name a few). I wasn't quite prepared to be given access to all of the stars like that, nor had I been on the red carpet of a movie premiere before. It was a massive learning experience and we were figuring things out on the fly!

We got to have some brief one-on-one time with Michael Bay, Josh Duhamel, Anthony Hopkins, Jerrod Carmichael, Isabela Moner, Santiago Cabrera, Peter Cullen, Frank Welker, Remi Adeleke, Juliocesar Chavez, and Tom DeSanto. Unfortunately, due to time constraints at the rushed end of the event, we didn't get to talk to Mark Wahlberg or Laura Haddock but we still managed to get some great pics to share with all of you! All of the stars were very nice and happy to talk to everyone. I was very surprised that they had all of the stars talk to any of the press that wanted to talk to them. I figured we would only be allowed to speak to select stars and didn't think that I'd be getting to shake hands with the likes of Sir Anthony Hopkins!

After the screening of the film, which most of the press did not attend, we headed over to the after party at the Prysm Nightclub. We arrived a little late to the party, which was in full swing, due to seeing the movie. I think Josh Duhamel was one of the few stars that stayed for the film, who was saw briefly the film's showing prior to us leaving for the after party. We only saw Lorenzo Di Bonaventura, Tom DeSanto, Michael Bay, Juliocesar Chavez, Isabela Moner, and the Hasbro Transformers Brand Team at the event though there seemed to be a lot of "big wigs", or something to that effect, along with other Hollywood like people in the packed nightclub, which was closed to the public for the private event (though the club is actually closed on Tuesdays anyway, which I'm assuming is part of the reason why they would choose this club for the evenet). I'm also assuming that a lot of the people that were at the after party were a lot of the "behind-the-scenes" folks that do not get enough recognition for their hard work on these films, such as the writers, artists, costume people, prop people, set designers, etc. It was a lot of fun and the party wrapped up around 2:30am.

I'll share some more thoughts in the topic on our forums. We are still working on putting together a video to share with all of you from our footage of the event.

Thank you again to Paramount for this amazing opportunity. We had a spectacular time! It was truly a once-in-a-lifetime day-to-remember event.

I hope all of you enjoy these pictures!

william-james88 wrote:Deadput, are you happy to know that Berserker is actually in the film?

Well yes and I'm surprised he "survived" only due to the fact he never got out of jail when I thought he was only a minor Con much less important and was going to get the treatment that well all the other cons besides Megatron, Barricade and Nitro did but hey maybe he shows up in the next film.

Doesn't explain why he's more of a focus for toys then say Mohawk, Dreadbot or Onslaught who were (technically) in the film for longer then him and they had more changes to their designs or in the case of Mohawk his very own while Berserker is just a straight up repaint or why his alt mode was briefly on set.

Actual movie spoilers With how much all the Decepticons were spotted in vehicle mode during filming you would think they would be in the movie for longer especially after that intro then again like over half the scenes that they were filmed in never made it to the movie for example there was a scene filmed where the Decepticons and the Autobots were charging towards each other in alt mode and it looked pretty cool so that sucks

We never do see Optimus Transform into his alt mode though. Kinda crazy how he is the one bot you dont see transforming in this film. Its usually a big deal when that happens.

Our own epic voice and all around awesome Seibertronian Jon 3.0 (better known as John Bailey) has taken part of a once in a lifetime experience at a Transformers The Last Knight event at Auto Club Speedway in Fontana, CA. High profile media outlets, including John, were invited to try out exotic car racing in the spirit of the high performance cars one may find in these films. While the cars were not of makes or cars found in the film, they all had Transformers: the last Knight logos on them. The ones John got to drive were the Lamborghini Gallardo and Ferrari F430.

You can see the videos below, enjoy!

william-james88 wrote:We never do see Optimus Transform into his alt mode though. Kinda crazy how he is the one bot you dont see transforming in this film. Its usually a big deal when that happens.

Yeah that now that I think about it was also a (minor) nitpick but I understand why he did not considering his location in this movie not really giving him a decent place to drive.

Mlive.com has written an article on how the filming of The Last Knight has helped the local economy in Michigan. Some of the scenes were filmed at the old Paccard Plant in Detroit and the now abandoned Pontiac Silverdome (The former stadium of the Detroit Lions). Filming in these locations has brought revenue in the form of rentals, transportation, custom props, catering and other supplies sold in Michigan.

Deadput wrote:

william-james88 wrote:We never do see Optimus Transform into his alt mode though. Kinda crazy how he is the one bot you dont see transforming in this film. Its usually a big deal when that happens.

Yeah that now that I think about it was also a (minor) nitpick but I understand why he did not considering his location in this movie not really giving him a decent place to drive.

Well,he was in alt-mode briefly, but his transformation was behind the smoke.

Transformers 5 Disappoints with Lowest Opening Day in Franchise History
http://movieweb.com/transformers-last-knight-opening-day-box-office/

Could this be the final straw for Bayformers?

WreckerJack wrote:Mlive.com has written an article on how the filming of The Last Knight has helped the local economy in Michigan. Some of the scenes were filmed at the old Paccard Plant in Detroit and the now abandoned Pontiac Silverdome (The former stadium of the Detroit Lions). Filming in these locations has brought revenue in the form of rentals, transportation, custom props, catering and other supplies sold in Michigan.

One of the only good things to come out of these movies. This is wonderful news

While the hype is hypin and the reviews keep comin, we also have some numbers to report on Transformers: The Last Knight. According to a number of sources, including Variety and Deadline, the fifth movie had a rough first day. The film reported the lowest opening day income in the whole franchise so far: a $15.65M first day for Transformers: The Last Knight inclusive of Tuesday night’s $5.5M previews.

However, this has yet to consider the international market - with the weekend seeing the release in China and Hong Kong, among other audiences - and the expected significant impact it should have on the reception overall, as reported previously. For more information, check out the snippets below, and follow through to the articles to join our discussion in the Energon Pub!

Its opening-day number is also below that of any other movie in the modern franchise. The 2007 original grossed $36.6 million when it opened on a Tuesday. 2009’s “Revenge of the Fallen” earned $62 million on a Wednesday, and 2011’s “Dark of the Moon” — also launched on a Wednesday — brought in $37.7 million. “Age of Extinction,” the most recent installment before “Last Knight” opened on a Friday to $41.9 million.

Males repped 57% of Last Knight‘s Wednesday crowd to 43% females. Those under 18 at 29% love the movie with an A CinemaScore. If only more of them showed up. The 18-24 age group were even more tolerant of the Michael Bay title giving it an A-, along with the under 25 set who repped 49% of the crowd. Twenty-two percent bought tickets to Last Knight because of Mark Wahlberg, while 53% came out because it’s a Transformers movie.

Via the official Transformers Facebook page, we have what is probably the last version of a trailer for Transformers: The Last Knight, soon to see worldwide release outside of the US! Clocking in at one minute, and featuring the Torches track, by X Ambassadors - as we previously discussed here and covered by Chinese artist Zhang Jie here. We've embedded the clip below for your viewing, enojoy!

Check out “Torches” by X Ambassadors in #Transformers: The Last Knight, NOW PLAYING in theatres, RealD 3D and IMAX 3D.

It was better than the last one...transformers actually transform not melt into goop. does it have plotholes absolutely...it is a Michael bay movie...the plot of the movie is defined by plothole...but it is fun.

Sounds like you had a blast, Ryan! Musta been a hell of an experience!

Via ComicBook.com we have an interview with Transformers: The Last Knight cast member Mark Wahlberg, who returns from Age of Extinction as Cade Yaeger, discussing the role that director Michael Bay has created for himself within the franchise - and he does not expect him to leave as he has said a number of times already.

The point he makes though, is probably also tied to the amounts of money made at the box office for Paramount, which may not be the case with this fifth movie, as reported here. Check the relevant point below, and the whole piece here!

While he might be a bit fried at the moment, Wahlberg thinks after some time has passed, Bay won't be so willing to let go.

"So he'll decide that and I would be hard pressed to see him walk away and put it in somebody else's control and care. I mean, that's just the Michael that I know, but you never know, sometimes people decide to move on, so we'll see what happens."

The franchise has been heavily criticized at times, but still manages to bring in signifgant box office receipts. How The Last Knight fares at the box office will likely have some impact on Bay's ultimate decision.

Seibertron wrote:Thanks to our friends at Paramount, Seibertron.com was allowed press access to the US Premiere of the Transformers The Last Knight. The red carpet event took place alongside the Chicago Riverfront alongside the famed Civic Opera House in downtown Chicago, IL. My wife and I were there alongside the rest of the press covering the event. We had two cameras and a couple of cell phones to help us provide as much exclusive content for Seibertron.com as we possibly could. One of our cameras was setup for video and the other for photos. For now, we just have the photos posted of the event and are currently editing the video footage to share with all of you later.


Civic Opera House Building in Chicago, IL


Our press badge


Tickets to the US premiere screening and to the Post Party


Ryan Yzquierdo on the red carpet between MTV Snapchat and Univision's Hoy. We are in front of the Barricade blow-up car.




Hasbro's Transformers Brand Team


Producer Tom DeSanto talking to Seibertron.com


Producer Don Murphy (center) and Executive Producer Mark Vahradian (far left)


Peter Cullen and Frank Welker (voices of Optimus Prime and Megatron respectively)


Producer Lorenzo Di Bonaventura


Remi Adeleke (TRF Lieutenant)


Sir Anthony Hopkins signing autographs for fans, alongside Seibertron.com's Ryan Yzquierdo


Sir Anthony Hopkins talking to Seibertron.com's Ryan Yzquierdo


Jerrod Carmichael (Jimmy) talking to Seibertron.com


Santiago_Cabrera (Santos from TRF) talking to Seibertron.com


Juliocesar Chavez gives Seibertron.com 2 thumbs up!


Laura Haddock (Vivian) and Josh Duhamel (Lennox) having fun with fans on the red carpet!


Josh Duhamel (Lennox) talking to Hoy Univision


Isabela Moner (Izabella) strikes a pose for Seibertron.com


Laura Haddock (Vivian) talking to other press.


The stars gathered at the end of the red carpet


Director Michael Bay talks to Seibertron.com for a moment!


Mark Wahlberg (Cade Yaeger) talks to Hoy, checking out Seibertron.com!


Ryan and Lori Yzquierdo inside the Civic Opera House


The cast of Transformers The Last Knight prior to the screening


Ryan Yzquierdo with Producer Tom DeSanto at the Last Knight's after party event. He and I had a great conversation and he completely won me over after he talked to me about Professor X, Magneto, Optimus, Megatron, being a fan in the 80s, the Marvel TF comics, and so on. Even got to talk to him about Jon Bailey's amazing Optimus Prime voice! Tom completely convinced me that he truly is a fan of these properties after talking X-Men and Transformers with me for about 10 minutes.


Ryan Yzquierdo with Ben Montano and John Warden from Hasbro's Transformers Brand Team.

The US Premiere was an absolutely amazing experience, especially for a long time Transformers fan like myself. It was very cool that Paramount let Seibertron.com onto the red carpet alongside regular press such as WGN, ABC, Access Hollywood, Entertainment Tonight, MTV and Univision (to name a few). I wasn't quite prepared to be given access to all of the stars like that, nor had I been on the red carpet of a movie premiere before. It was a massive learning experience and we were figuring things out on the fly!

We got to have some brief one-on-one time with Michael Bay, Josh Duhamel, Anthony Hopkins, Jerrod Carmichael, Isabela Moner, Santiago Cabrera, Peter Cullen, Frank Welker, Remi Adeleke, Juliocesar Chavez, and Tom DeSanto. Unfortunately, due to time constraints at the rushed end of the event, we didn't get to talk to Mark Wahlberg or Laura Haddock but we still managed to get some great pics to share with all of you! All of the stars were very nice and happy to talk to everyone. I was very surprised that they had all of the stars talk to any of the press that wanted to talk to them. I figured we would only be allowed to speak to select stars and didn't think that I'd be getting to shake hands with the likes of Sir Anthony Hopkins!

After the screening of the film, which most of the press did not attend, we headed over to the after party at the Prysm Nightclub. We arrived a little late to the party, which was in full swing, due to seeing the movie. I think Josh Duhamel was one of the few stars that stayed for the film, who was saw briefly the film's showing prior to us leaving for the after party. We only saw Lorenzo Di Bonaventura, Tom DeSanto, Michael Bay, Juliocesar Chavez, Isabela Moner, and the Hasbro Transformers Brand Team at the event though there seemed to be a lot of "big wigs", or something to that effect, along with other Hollywood like people in the packed nightclub, which was closed to the public for the private event (though the club is actually closed on Tuesdays anyway, which I'm assuming is part of the reason why they would choose this club for the evenet). I'm also assuming that a lot of the people that were at the after party were a lot of the "behind-the-scenes" folks that do not get enough recognition for their hard work on these films, such as the writers, artists, costume people, prop people, set designers, etc. It was a lot of fun and the party wrapped up around 2:30am.

I'll share some more thoughts in the topic on our forums. We are still working on putting together a video to share with all of you from our footage of the event.

Thank you again to Paramount for this amazing opportunity. We had a spectacular time! It was truly a once-in-a-lifetime day-to-remember event.

I hope all of you enjoy these pictures!

I hope you realize, Ryan, that this compromises any objectivity this site has in regards to the movies and your opinions of them

Why does everyone say tlk is the last movie

philswitch engage wrote:
I hope you realize, Ryan, that this compromises any objectivity this site has in regards to the movies and your opinions of them

I fail to see how, especially when our site and staff is made up of different people who share different views. If you want to see how different we all are, here is the site's review:

https://www.seibertron.com/transformers ... ise/38634/

Plus, our enjoyment of films are dictated by our tastes, there is no such thing as objectivity, its all subjective to what we like. Heaven's Gate is said to be "objectively good" from a Director of Photography's point of view but I think it sucks balls. We are all being subjective.

Bumblebee21 wrote:Why does everyone say tlk is the last movie

That was said in some marketing material, such as the trailers.

Because the site owner got wined and dined by paramount.

philswitch engage wrote:Because the site owner got wined and dined by paramount.

so what? he can still think the movie sucks, listen to the upcoming podcast to find out Plus, we are a whole team, not just one guy, read out review to find out if we are biased.

Well there IS such a thing as objectivity, but yes, enjoyment and taste is incredibly subjective.

Also, some of us want to be respectful about disliking the live action films - They have their good points and bad points. I can see their flaws which I sometimes do point out, however I know there are people who like them and with every new movie there are new fans. Imagine you are new to the franchise and you are so exited because "OMG giant robots and cool CGI" and everyone is talking down about the flick that got you here.

If anything seeing the good and the bad is seeing things objectively. To dismiss the bay flicks entirely because of their flaws would be unfair. There are some benefits to these films if you try to keep an open mind:

Great CGI and animation
Action and explosions
Movies bring in new fans
Movies bring old fans back to the community
Movies make money for the franchise (Without the movieverse to fund TFP it would have never happened)
A chance to take your friends to the theater
Cool movie toys
Cool movie merch

I will be the first to say that the live action films have confusing plots and lack substance at times. I wish that more care were taken to represent the characters we know and love. Things could be a lot better. There is nothing wrong with someone voicing their opinions in a way that is polite and constructive regarding these flaws, I am open to that. Maybe if people did that the fans would be heard and we would get flicks that had more story. Until then I am going to enjoy the action and my popcorn.

Point blank... the movie is trash, the worst of them all and that's fact. We don't need to TRY and make sense of this or because we are hardcore fans and trying to salvage something good from this movie. Garbage! and im not talking planet junk

philswitch engage wrote:I hope you realize, Ryan, that this compromises any objectivity this site has in regards to the movies and your opinions of them

LOL! Nah, it doesn't change my opinion at all, nor does it compromise my opinion (nor has anything else that I've been treated to over the past 17 years of running Seibertron.com). At the end of the day, The Last Knight is another installment in the Michael Bay franchise. It still retains most of the same pros and cons that the previous 4 films had so if you're expecting anything radically different, you're probably going to be really disappointed.

Here're my quick thoughts of The Last Knight:

Pros: I liked that the story seemed much more coherent than previous films. It was a much more linear story line that was easier to follow that the films that intertwined multiple stories into one. The special effects looked amazing. I was thrilled at how much screen time the Transformers had. I liked that most of the transformations didn't cheat by happening off screen or behind something. I thought the acting was fairly decent minus a few moments. The absence of sexual humor minus a couple of scenes that I thought were rather funny and would be over my 8 year old daughter's understanding ...

Will write more later ...

You got to meet Anthony Hopkins. I'm feeling slight twangs of jealousy right now.

Hey guys, I've been staying off the web for the most part to keep away from spoilers for TLK, but I saw this and figured you might want to see it!

Those under 18 at 29% love the movie with an A CinemaScore. If only more of them showed up.

LoL, how dare people not like it more

EvasionModeBumblebee wrote:Hey guys, I've been staying off the web for the most part to keep away from spoilers for TLK, but I saw this and figured you might want to see it!

https://youtu.be/vef62MzS6as

The spoiler thread is here my friend - spoiler-thread-for-transformers-the-last-knight-review-with-spoilers-added-6-20--t109402.php

WreckerJack wrote:

EvasionModeBumblebee wrote:Hey guys, I've been staying off the web for the most part to keep away from spoilers for TLK, but I saw this and figured you might want to see it!

https://youtu.be/vef62MzS6as

The spoiler thread is here my friend - spoiler-thread-for-transformers-the-last-knight-review-with-spoilers-added-6-20--t109402.php

Oh, it's not spoilers, its a video of the Man at Arms people forging Prime's sword from AOE/TLK

WreckerJack wrote:Mlive.com has written an article on how the filming of The Last Knight has helped the local economy in Michigan. Some of the scenes were filmed at the old Paccard Plant in Detroit and the now abandoned Pontiac Silverdome (The former stadium of the Detroit Lions). Filming in these locations has brought revenue in the form of rentals, transportation, custom props, catering and other supplies sold in Michigan.

It's Packard, not Paccard

And the Silverdome was also the former home of the Pistons not just the Lions.</nitpick>

The guys at Man at Arms have posted an awesome video (see below) about how they hand crafted a replica of Optimus' sword from The Last Knight. The metalworkers in the video show us every step in the making of the sword from drawing it up on the computer, forging the blade, welding all the details on and constructing the sword to the handle itself. Even the blade itself is highly detailed with Cybertronian writing. If you are interested in metal design or just like swords it is a must watch. These men are dedicated to their craft and it shows!

EvasionModeBumblebee wrote:

WreckerJack wrote:

EvasionModeBumblebee wrote:Hey guys, I've been staying off the web for the most part to keep away from spoilers for TLK, but I saw this and figured you might want to see it!

https://youtu.be/vef62MzS6as

The spoiler thread is here my friend - spoiler-thread-for-transformers-the-last-knight-review-with-spoilers-added-6-20--t109402.php

Oh, it's not spoilers, its a video of the Man at Arms people forging Prime's sword from AOE/TLK

Ironically I just found that on youtube and newsed it. I didn't click your link because I didn't wish to be too spoiled. Great minds think alike

Seibertron wrote:

philswitch engage wrote:I hope you realize, Ryan, that this compromises any objectivity this site has in regards to the movies and your opinions of them

LOL! Nah, it doesn't change my opinion at all, nor does it compromise my opinion (nor has anything else that I've been treated to over the past 17 years of running Seibertron.com). At the end of the day, The Last Knight is another installment in the Michael Bay franchise. It still retains most of the same pros and cons that the previous 4 films had so if you're expecting anything radically different, you're probably going to be really disappointed.

Here're my quick thoughts of The Last Knight:

Pros: I liked that the story seemed much more coherent than previous films. It was a much more linear story line that was easier to follow that the films that intertwined multiple stories into one. The special effects looked amazing. I was thrilled at how much screen time the Transformers had. I liked that most of the transformations didn't cheat by happening off screen or behind something. I thought the acting was fairly decent minus a few moments. The absence of sexual humor minus a couple of scenes that I thought were rather funny and would be over my 8 year old daughter's understanding ...

Will write more later ...

And here's the later part. Trying to do work stuff today amidst getting ready to take my whole family and some friends to go see it again tonight, which will be my 3rd time. This time around, we'll be seeing it in 2D, which brings me to my cons.

Pros (continued): The musical score is fantastic, yet again. I have absolutely loved Steve Jablonsky's scores from all 5 movies. Due to his contributions, I have really gotten into movie scores, but absolutely love his work on Transformers. Very talented. Very appropriate music. It's right up my alley for mood setting in a film, and I don't think his scores have garnered enough appreciation. I liked that Bumblebee was (more-or-less) back to his old look, I liked Quintessa, I actually really liked the big "reveal" of the film, I loved Anthony Hopkins (one of my favorite actors) in this film (despite some of my cons with him regarding the script). I really liked Cogman, which I did a complete 180 on since he was initially revealed (if only all of the Transformers were handled in this manner with as much screentime). I liked Megatron and I even liked the "new" Decepticons for the most part. Hound continues to kick ass and be a personal favorite of mine, though I still wish he had been called Bulkhead. I was really impressed with Izabella and Jerrod Carmichael's characters. Carmichael was much better than TJ Miller (who I actually really like in other media such as HBO's Silicon Valley, but didn't care for in AOE). I liked all of the nods to the previous films (though a bit frustrated at some of the retconning). I loved seeing John Turtorro back, though I think the movie could have been rewritten to eliminate his role altogether. I still enjoyed his scenes and liked seeing him with Topspin (small spoiler, sorry!). I also really liked King Arthur and Merlin, and had no idea that Stanley Tucci from AOE played Merlin ... he's a great actor, despite the 2nd half of his performance in AOE (which has more to do with script or directing).

Cons: 3D, but that's not a problem with this movie in particular, just me with 3D in general. More on that below. Too many characters, particularly on the human side, but I'd even argue that there are too many Transformers fighting for screen time as well. Lack of characterization, outside of Cogman. Again, they don't seem to know what to do with the Decepticons, which is really unfortunate. I could do without all of the swearing. Sometimes, it's funny or really appropriate, but it seemed too much. Sir Anthony Hopkins (with an emphasis on the word Sir), probably doesn't go around saying "bitchin'" or the other swear words he said. It strikes me as really out of character for him and for the character he is playing. Not a fan of the Transformers swearing. For a awe-shocking moment, sure, such as Ultra Magnus saying "dammit" in 1986 movie and Bumblebee's one line during the junkyard scene (no spoiler please). The incomplete love story seems odd. I could totally do with an actual real love story happening inbetween the Transformers battles, but it seems more tacked on than anything. While the story was more comprehensive and linear, it still was just too much going on. Instead of real substance, we get more stuff happening to fill in the time. I don't get the purpose of the Transformers are always having been here and having influenced or been a part of so many historical moments. The non-stop action once they get off the submarine, was a bit much. I wish there had been something in there to break up the last third of the movie which was a non-stop onslaught of action, mostly good, but without any breaks to give your eyes and ears a rest.

Due to feelings of disorientation and that wearing the glasses disallows me to get fully sucked into a movie, I'm just not a fan of 3D. I'll never understand why they didn't do 3D screens instead of 3D glasses. There's got to be a reason that you do it with glasses instead, maybe it's a perspective thing or something, I don't know. But after forcing myself to try to enjoy the 3D experience ever since Avatar, I just can't do it anymore. I gave Michael Bay the benefit of the doubt after he assured us in person back in March in his office that the reason for the "uncomfortable" (my word, not his) feelings you get watching 3D is because it wasn't on IMAX or because the bulbs weren't right, or something along those lines. Since I was one of the lucky few who got to see the actual US premiere on an IMAX screen, I'm assuming that would be how they want us all to see it and I actually preferred the RealD 3D showing at the press screening, but I also had one of the best seats in the house (by sheer luck) because I was eye level with the middle of the screen, and we were in one of those awesome 21+ (you can drink a beer) fancy lazy boy electronic reclining seat experiences, which might be the next best thing to watching a movie at home (or it might even be better, depending on your objectives).

I'm sure I have more thoughts to share, both good and bad, but I've got to jet for now. As I said above, at the end of the day, it's another Michael Bay movie. I've seen more of his movies than any other director, love them or hate them. I like his style, I like his vision, it just seems like there's no one higher than him saying "hey man, you've got to rein this in a bit".

Sometimes, less is better. Just because you can do something, doesn't mean you should do it.

Where do I rank TLK with the others? I really liked DOTM, so it's more or less a toss up with that one, with the first movie being my favorite. For the time being, I'm ranking TLK as #2 behind the first, but it might be #3 once all of the hype has died down and I've had some real time to process all of this. So in order: #1 TF2007, #2 TLK, #3 DOTM, #4 ROTF, and #5 AOE (yet all of them had things I really liked and didn't like).

Compromised? I don't think so.

Hm ... should I have put my review in a different topic? I didn't mean it to turn into my review, but it seems like it started to happen that way.

Seibertron wrote:Hm ... should I have put my review in a different topic? I didn't mean it to turn into my review, but it seems like it started to happen that way.

Well, we do have the review thread, which include spoilers, even though your posts didn't:
spoiler-thread-for-transformers-the-last-knight-review-with-spoilers-added-6-20--t109402.php

And personally, I feel bad for you not being able to enjoy 3D, this TF film in particular looked amazing in that format.

Love that sword! I think i seen they'd done other pop culture weapons like my fave sword ever The Sword of Omens from the original ThunderCats. Again things I would buy if I won the lottery

Went to see TF:TLK last night.

Sigh. When will this garbage stop?

Given that this franchise is over thirty years old, has had a unified "bible" or continuum in place for some time and has a trove of interesting/diverse/appealing characters to choose from ...

WHY is this junk stil lurching into theatres? Like its predecessors, this movie is shallow, vapid, mindless and far beneath the kind of treatment it deserves.

The film suffers from the same issues as all the rest: a ridiculous premise, infantile dialogue, zero emotional weight and the under-utilization of all the elements listed above. Don't get me wrong - the explosions and over-the-top Bayhem is fine with me. But when it's not pinned to any kind of substantive story, the end result isn't dissimilar to throwing a bunch of sh*t against the wall and hoping something sticks.

We were told that the collaborative "writers room" would lend a new cohesion and/or gravitas to TF: TLK. The best I could say is that they managed to make this thing only slightly less off-putting than the third film.

In my opinion, the best iteration of TF ever was TF: Prime. This was the series I had been waiting for. It struck the perfect balance among all of the elements that make Transformers work: well-paced, cohesive stories; character development, a strong voice cast, amazing visuals and the proper mix of action, adventure and emotional pull. The humans were placed well, too. Story arcs made sense and wrapped up pretty neatly with only a few bumps. No surpise, then, that it was nominated and won several Emmys.

Just imagine the quality of TF: Prime attached to a Bay-sized budget. Think about what that might produce.

If handled properly, Transformers has the potential to reach Star Wars levels of mythic greatness. It's a tremendous vehicle for storytelling and action/adventure in spades.

When will Hasbro get this?

When will we get something better?

I will say this is the first time my eyes felt tired while watching a Transformers movie in theaters but I did wake up early that day with not much sleep (6 hours).

I also felt dizzy and felt like falling over after it was all over and had to stand but that happens with every movie I've watched in theaters for the past 3-4 years so nothing new there.

77Prime84 wrote:When will Hasbro get this?

Hasbro gets it (or at least the Transformers brand team definitely does), or else we wouldn't have Transformers Prime, Transformers Animated, or other examples (though I might argue that some of the greatest Transformers stories of all time are stories where they had outside help such as the G1 cartoons and comics and Beast Wars, though not all of it, which bears some resemblance to how things were initially setup with Paramount). The movies and their stories are out of their hands if I understand everything correctly. I'm assuming that it's similar to Marvel with FOX. Hasbro handed over most of their rights for control of the Transformers films (if I'm wording this incorrectly, someone please advise immediately) over to Paramount and Michael Bay waaaay back in 2001/2002 when these deals were originally made.

But I assure you, Hasbro (or at least the brand team) gets it! Promise!!!