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I like the idea that the whole reason the "empire of stone" arc happened is because Ratchet can't say goodbye.

I see ya creepin', Bombshell!

Incidentally, I hope they don't mean to imply that DELPHI was Prowl's fault. It's not enough that he's a Machiavellian bastard that no one likes, but he's also the Shadow Broker behind EVERY bad thing that happens to our main cast?

Shuttershock wrote: It's not enough that he's a Machiavellian **** that no one likes, but he's also the Shadow Broker behind EVERY bad thing that happens to our main cast?

I thought they already established that. Because prowl's a fascist, like Odo from DS9.

SW's SilverHammer wrote:

Shuttershock wrote: It's not enough that he's a Machiavellian **** that no one likes, but he's also the Shadow Broker behind EVERY bad thing that happens to our main cast?

I thought they already established that. Because prowl's a fascist, like Odo from DS9.

I suppose so. I just get slightly frustrated when EVERYONE makes him out to be the end-all source of their problems. Is it just because he's the only one who isn't sorry for his actions?

Shuttershock wrote:

SW's SilverHammer wrote:

Shuttershock wrote: It's not enough that he's a Machiavellian **** that no one likes, but he's also the Shadow Broker behind EVERY bad thing that happens to our main cast?

I thought they already established that. Because prowl's a fascist, like Odo from DS9.

I suppose so. I just get slightly frustrated when EVERYONE makes him out to be the end-all source of their problems. Is it just because he's the only one who isn't sorry for his actions?

Well it's not because he isn't sorry, it's because for him, the ends justify the means, no matter the cost. I said this before, even though prowl says he wants justice, he's like Odo in that his actual predisposition for order.

Wow so I'm going to go and guess that the reason Pharma is a little cray cray is because Prowl sent him to Delphi?


Because looking at all flashbacks with Pharma around before Delphi he seemed like he was a cool dude.


Not that Prowl did it on purpose or knew anything was going to happen but it really seems that a lot of things that go wrong are Prowl's fault regardless if he did it on purpose or inadvertently.






Doesn't change the fact that Whirl is still above him when it comes to screwing things up.

SW's SilverHammer wrote:

Shuttershock wrote:

SW's SilverHammer wrote:

Shuttershock wrote: It's not enough that he's a Machiavellian **** that no one likes, but he's also the Shadow Broker behind EVERY bad thing that happens to our main cast?

I thought they already established that. Because prowl's a fascist, like Odo from DS9.

I suppose so. I just get slightly frustrated when EVERYONE makes him out to be the end-all source of their problems. Is it just because he's the only one who isn't sorry for his actions?

Well it's not because he isn't sorry, it's because for him, the ends justify the means, no matter the cost. I said this before, even though prowl says he wants justice, he's like Odo in that his actual predisposition for order.

I'll throw this in, as I feel it's relevant:

http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m78uk ... 1_1280.jpg

Maybe Prowl, who can be a *bit* controlling in his ways, is in fact everyone's favourite scapegoat.
I mean, we did see him in Shadowplay as an arrogant but still new to the game detective - and he does have a lot of Batman vibes going on in some of his characterisations (thinking of the Justice League: Doom/Tower of Babel story, here). But it may not be entirely, always, really his fault.

That said, he's probably a bigger evil than Starscream in Combiner Wars.

Va'al wrote:

SW's SilverHammer wrote:

Shuttershock wrote:

SW's SilverHammer wrote:

Shuttershock wrote: It's not enough that he's a Machiavellian **** that no one likes, but he's also the Shadow Broker behind EVERY bad thing that happens to our main cast?

I thought they already established that. Because prowl's a fascist, like Odo from DS9.

I suppose so. I just get slightly frustrated when EVERYONE makes him out to be the end-all source of their problems. Is it just because he's the only one who isn't sorry for his actions?

Well it's not because he isn't sorry, it's because for him, the ends justify the means, no matter the cost. I said this before, even though prowl says he wants justice, he's like Odo in that his actual predisposition for order.

I'll throw this in, as I feel it's relevant:

http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m78uk ... 1_1280.jpg

Maybe Prowl, who can be a *bit* controlling in his ways, is in fact everyone's favourite scapegoat.
I mean, we did see him in Shadowplay as an arrogant but still new to the game detective - and he does have a lot of Batman vibes going on in some of his characterisations (thinking of the Justice League: Doom/Tower of Babel story, here). But it may not be entirely, always, really his fault.

That said, he's probably a bigger evil than Starscream in Combiner Wars.

I shudder for the day when someone says, "yeah, the DJD are pretty awful, but you know who's a REAL slag-head? Prowl!"

It's probably going to be dealing with First Aid since we know he's leaving to go back to Cybertron with mirage and the other protectobots. Those two haven't made peace with what happened in 'remain in light'

mirageandjazz1197 wrote:Wow so I'm going to go and guess that the reason Pharma is a little cray cray is because Prowl sent him to Delphi?


Because looking at all flashbacks with Pharma around before Delphi he seemed like he was a cool dude.


Not that Prowl did it on purpose or knew anything was going to happen but it really seems that a lot of things that go wrong are Prowl's fault regardless if he did it on purpose or inadvertently.






Doesn't change the fact that Whirl is still above him when it comes to screwing things up.

Prowl's just the guy calling the shots. delphi happened, because it was in the middle of a REALLY BAD spot and Pharma was desperate, so he took the wrong way out.

Flashwave wrote:
Prowl's just the guy calling the shots. delphi happened, because it was in the middle of a REALLY BAD spot and Pharma was desperate, so he took the wrong way out.

I know that much but if Pharma was not ordered to go to Delphi its possible he would have not gone mad.




As much as a jerk Pharma is I really do feel sympathy for him a lot more then other characters such as Rodimus or Chromedome and I don't know why but I care about Pharma as a character and I hope he gets done with justice in any future appearances regardless if its a flashback or in the present.






Maybe I'm just as crazy as Pharma and I'm just blabbering nonsense.

Fishing rod?

Hover board?

Oh lord, Tailgate is Daniel.

MrBlack wrote:Fishing rod?

Hover board?

Oh lord, Tailgate is Daniel.

"Looks at preview again"






All of Tailgate's watching Back to the Future films has come to this.

mirageandjazz1197 wrote:

MrBlack wrote:Fishing rod?

Hover board?

Oh lord, Tailgate is Daniel.

"Looks at preview again"






All of Tailgate's watching Back to the Future films has come to this.

Could have been worse. Tailgate could have chosen to have a replica of the black "Pit Bull" hoverboard instead of going with the pink.

Sagitta wrote:

mirageandjazz1197 wrote:

MrBlack wrote:Fishing rod?

Hover board?

Oh lord, Tailgate is Daniel.

"Looks at preview again"






All of Tailgate's watching Back to the Future films has come to this.

Could have been worse. Tailgate could have chosen to have a replica of the black "Pit Bull" hoverboard instead of going with the pink.

Yet sadly, he could not avoid looking like a bojo.

Well, at least somebody got a hoverboard in 2015...

I just assumed prowl was the guy assigning people to things. I don't see some nefarious plan in him sending a doctor to a hospital.

sometimes a prowl reference is just a prowl reference.

Optimizzy wrote:I just assumed prowl was the guy assigning people to things. I don't see some nefarious plan in him sending a doctor to a hospital.

sometimes a prowl reference is just a prowl reference.

Agreed. He's Prime's second, so of course he's in charge of handing out assignments. He asked Pharma to handle a tough assignment worthy of his skill, and Pharma agreed. You can't blame Prowl for the fact that Pharma couldn't cope with the stresses of the job.

MrBlack wrote:

Optimizzy wrote:I just assumed prowl was the guy assigning people to things. I don't see some nefarious plan in him sending a doctor to a hospital.

sometimes a prowl reference is just a prowl reference.

Agreed. He's Prime's second, so of course he's in charge of handing out assignments. He asked Pharma to handle a tough assignment worthy of his skill, and Pharma agreed. You can't blame Prowl for the fact that Pharma couldn't cope with the stresses of the job.

Also: Pharma was considering not accepting. So it was his choice to go. Seems it was more Ratchet being sent to Earth that caused the eventual trouble. Pharma seemed to need Ratchet to maybe guide him?

Is that a cerebo-shell that I spy in the leaves.... in that box where Ratchet leaves Hunter on the sidewalk?

pie-man wrote:Is that a cerebo-shell that I spy in the leaves.... in that box where Ratchet leaves Hunter on the sidewalk?

Yup. And so ended the promising character arc of Hunter O'Nion.

Actually I thought it was mcathy who ended his character

ZeroWolf wrote:Actually I thought it was mcathy who ended his character

It was, but it was Bombshell who did it in that story.

If I had to guess, this scene takes place at the end of Maximum Dinobots.

Shuttershock wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:Actually I thought it was mcathy who ended his character

It was, but it was Bombshell who did it in that story.

If I had to guess, this scene takes place at the end of Maximum Dinobots.

McCarthy ended a bunch of promising storylines....but perhaps then we wouldn't have MTMTE today?

That is true, though story wise there's not much lingering from that story arc. We may of still got to thus point but we'll never know unless someone creates a window to alternate realities or the Holly hop drive

Hmm... three unsuccessful attempts...

Well, we know that Pharma's life spiraled into the dark side after this last meeting with Ratchet.

And we know that Hunter's life got seriously messed up after this last meeting with Ratchet.

So we can PROBABLY guess that Roller's life, post meeting with Ratchet, is not sunshine and roses. I mean, we already KNOW that since Roller's not running around in current stories (unless he's wearing a Decepticon mask ) but it's still an interesting theme going on here.

It makes me worried for whoever's going to be Ratchet's FOURTH unsuccessful attempt...

Optimizzy wrote:

MrBlack wrote:

Optimizzy wrote:I just assumed prowl was the guy assigning people to things. I don't see some nefarious plan in him sending a doctor to a hospital.

sometimes a prowl reference is just a prowl reference.

Agreed. He's Prime's second, so of course he's in charge of handing out assignments. He asked Pharma to handle a tough assignment worthy of his skill, and Pharma agreed. You can't blame Prowl for the fact that Pharma couldn't cope with the stresses of the job.

Also: Pharma was considering not accepting. So it was his choice to go. Seems it was more Ratchet being sent to Earth that caused the eventual trouble. Pharma seemed to need Ratchet to maybe guide him?

Prowl still most likely manipulated Pharma's choice. He probably knew he'd never go if Ratchet was still around, and could've sent Ratchet to Delphi as well, but instead sent him to Earth. He probably knew Pharma would give in and accept his re-assignment as a result.

I love Prowl's image in IDW, and I'd love to see Roberts get his hands on him some more. However, Barber's side of the continuity would tank without Prowl. I'd love to see what would happen if Prowl ever got hooked up to Aequitas.

Syn_13 wrote:

Optimizzy wrote:

MrBlack wrote:

Optimizzy wrote:I just assumed prowl was the guy assigning people to things. I don't see some nefarious plan in him sending a doctor to a hospital.

sometimes a prowl reference is just a prowl reference.

Agreed. He's Prime's second, so of course he's in charge of handing out assignments. He asked Pharma to handle a tough assignment worthy of his skill, and Pharma agreed. You can't blame Prowl for the fact that Pharma couldn't cope with the stresses of the job.

Also: Pharma was considering not accepting. So it was his choice to go. Seems it was more Ratchet being sent to Earth that caused the eventual trouble. Pharma seemed to need Ratchet to maybe guide him?

Prowl still most likely manipulated Pharma's choice. He probably knew he'd never go if Ratchet was still around, and could've sent Ratchet to Delphi as well, but instead sent him to Earth. He probably knew Pharma would give in and accept his re-assignment as a result.

I love Prowl's image in IDW, and I'd love to see Roberts get his hands on him some more. However, Barber's side of the continuity would tank without Prowl. I'd love to see what would happen if Prowl ever got hooked up to Aequitas.

Implode?

Superginraix wrote:Hmm... three unsuccessful attempts...

..So we can PROBABLY guess that Roller's life, post meeting with Ratchet, is not sunshine and roses. I mean, we already KNOW that since Roller's not running around in current stories (unless he's wearing a Decepticon mask )...

Least with Roller Ratchet actually stated something by way of a small farewell of sorts - as much as "Thanks for coming" can be termed as one. Or at least an acknowledgement. Neither Pharma or Hunter had received that much.

Syn_13 wrote:

Optimizzy wrote:

MrBlack wrote:

Optimizzy wrote:I just assumed prowl was the guy assigning people to things. I don't see some nefarious plan in him sending a doctor to a hospital.

sometimes a prowl reference is just a prowl reference.

Agreed. He's Prime's second, so of course he's in charge of handing out assignments. He asked Pharma to handle a tough assignment worthy of his skill, and Pharma agreed. You can't blame Prowl for the fact that Pharma couldn't cope with the stresses of the job.

Also: Pharma was considering not accepting. So it was his choice to go. Seems it was more Ratchet being sent to Earth that caused the eventual trouble. Pharma seemed to need Ratchet to maybe guide him?

Prowl still most likely manipulated Pharma's choice. He probably knew he'd never go if Ratchet was still around, and could've sent Ratchet to Delphi as well, but instead sent him to Earth. He probably knew Pharma would give in and accept his re-assignment as a result.

I love Prowl's image in IDW, and I'd love to see Roberts get his hands on him some more. However, Barber's side of the continuity would tank without Prowl. I'd love to see what would happen if Prowl ever got hooked up to Aequitas.

It'd be like the Total Perspective Vortex from Hitchhiker's Guide.

Syn_13 wrote:

Optimizzy wrote:

MrBlack wrote:

Optimizzy wrote:I just assumed prowl was the guy assigning people to things. I don't see some nefarious plan in him sending a doctor to a hospital.

sometimes a prowl reference is just a prowl reference.

Agreed. He's Prime's second, so of course he's in charge of handing out assignments. He asked Pharma to handle a tough assignment worthy of his skill, and Pharma agreed. You can't blame Prowl for the fact that Pharma couldn't cope with the stresses of the job.

Also: Pharma was considering not accepting. So it was his choice to go. Seems it was more Ratchet being sent to Earth that caused the eventual trouble. Pharma seemed to need Ratchet to maybe guide him?

Prowl still most likely manipulated Pharma's choice. He probably knew he'd never go if Ratchet was still around, and could've sent Ratchet to Delphi as well, but instead sent him to Earth. He probably knew Pharma would give in and accept his re-assignment as a result.

I love Prowl's image in IDW, and I'd love to see Roberts get his hands on him some more. However, Barber's side of the continuity would tank without Prowl. I'd love to see what would happen if Prowl ever got hooked up to Aequitas.

It'd be like the Total Perspective Vortex from Hitchhiker's Guide.

Syn_13 wrote:

Optimizzy wrote:

MrBlack wrote:

Optimizzy wrote:I just assumed prowl was the guy assigning people to things. I don't see some nefarious plan in him sending a doctor to a hospital.

sometimes a prowl reference is just a prowl reference.

Agreed. He's Prime's second, so of course he's in charge of handing out assignments. He asked Pharma to handle a tough assignment worthy of his skill, and Pharma agreed. You can't blame Prowl for the fact that Pharma couldn't cope with the stresses of the job.

Also: Pharma was considering not accepting. So it was his choice to go. Seems it was more Ratchet being sent to Earth that caused the eventual trouble. Pharma seemed to need Ratchet to maybe guide him?

Prowl still most likely manipulated Pharma's choice. He probably knew he'd never go if Ratchet was still around, and could've sent Ratchet to Delphi as well, but instead sent him to Earth. He probably knew Pharma would give in and accept his re-assignment as a result.

I love Prowl's image in IDW, and I'd love to see Roberts get his hands on him some more. However, Barber's side of the continuity would tank without Prowl. I'd love to see what would happen if Prowl ever got hooked up to Aequitas.

It'd be like the Total Perspective Vortex from Hitchhiker's Guide.

Syn_13 wrote:

Optimizzy wrote:

MrBlack wrote:

Optimizzy wrote:I just assumed prowl was the guy assigning people to things. I don't see some nefarious plan in him sending a doctor to a hospital.

sometimes a prowl reference is just a prowl reference.

Agreed. He's Prime's second, so of course he's in charge of handing out assignments. He asked Pharma to handle a tough assignment worthy of his skill, and Pharma agreed. You can't blame Prowl for the fact that Pharma couldn't cope with the stresses of the job.

Also: Pharma was considering not accepting. So it was his choice to go. Seems it was more Ratchet being sent to Earth that caused the eventual trouble. Pharma seemed to need Ratchet to maybe guide him?

Prowl still most likely manipulated Pharma's choice. He probably knew he'd never go if Ratchet was still around, and could've sent Ratchet to Delphi as well, but instead sent him to Earth. He probably knew Pharma would give in and accept his re-assignment as a result.

I love Prowl's image in IDW, and I'd love to see Roberts get his hands on him some more. However, Barber's side of the continuity would tank without Prowl. I'd love to see what would happen if Prowl ever got hooked up to Aequitas.

I kinda reject the idea of Prowl being some big bad dude. When prowl does stuff it seems like he's callous and all, but he's usually trying to do what's right. When he wasn't under bombshells guidance or the constructions he seemed to have good motivations. So he's a planner. i don't think it's a good idea to "one dementionalize" his character into "Machiavellian antagonist". (And has anyone read The Prince? You have to know the context to appreciate it. )

Optimizzy wrote:I kinda reject the idea of Prowl being some big bad dude. When prowl does stuff it seems like he's callous and all, but he's usually trying to do what's right. When he wasn't under bombshells guidance or the constructions he seemed to have good motivations. So he's a planner. i don't think it's a good idea to "one dementionalize" his character into "Machiavellian antagonist". (And has anyone read The Prince? You have to know the context to appreciate it. )

Agreed, overall.
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And as an addition to the Prince point, context - and sequel, intended use and reception - are very much key here.

I don't know, I still like the idea of prowl being a villain to just show what happens when the chaos/order balance tips to the other extreme. After all doing what's good isn't necessarily the same as doing what's right.

So...yeah I'm actually wanting an arc or two against prowl to explore that and to allow him to see the error of going that far himself.

Superginraix wrote:It makes me worried for whoever's going to be Ratchet's FOURTH unsuccessful attempt...

Drift.

Except Ratchet finally realizes that he SHOULDN'T just let things go at an awkward goodbye given what's happened to his other friends. So he goes off to find Drift and we end up with Empire of Stone.

Via entertainment and comics website Comic Book Resources, IDW Publishing has released their full preview for this coming week's release of Trasformers: More Than Meets the Eye #40. So why not take a look below and whet your appetite for the weekend? We'll be back with the Seibertron.com review on Wednesday, to give a chance to more people to have read the issue and join in the discussion, as always!

Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #40
James Roberts (w) • Brendan Cahill (a) • Alex Milne (c)
Having saved the universe—kind of—the Lost Light crew deal with the fallout in a manner befitting the gravity of the situation. Kind of.
FC • 32 pages • $3.99

Bullet points:
The march to issue 50 begins here!
The critically acclaimed MTMTE continues its mind-blowing run!
Variant Cover by Brendan Cahill!

Heh, the room does have a color shade like lilacs! Didn't know Chromedome knew anything about flowers.

And Megatron's absent. He's either late or he's recused himself since he's a former Decepticon.

Love the fact that Tailgate still thinks Whirl's name is actually Nutjob.

I can't begin to describe how happy I am that Hasbro hasn't forced the CW commercial onto this title as well.

Wow, FINALLY Xaaron gets a chance to have a speaking role and not just be treated as window dressing for a scene. I'd been waiting on that for like ever.

I like how Brainstorm has his faceplate off and Chromedome is his "Lawyer" so to speak. Pretty cool stuff.

I think I like the retailer incentive cover best.

Optimizzy wrote:I think I like the retailer incentive cover best.

I am inclined to agree. It looks pretty amazing

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:

Optimizzy wrote:I think I like the retailer incentive cover best.

I am inclined to agree. It looks pretty amazing

That, and it illustrates what Im most interested in: Brainstorms fate.

Optimizzy wrote:

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:

Optimizzy wrote:I think I like the retailer incentive cover best.

I am inclined to agree. It looks pretty amazing

That, and it illustrates what Im most interested in: Brainstorms fate.

With what We've seen in this preview, it will be interesting to see how things go. Brainstorm is one of my favorite characters, so I hope that this turns out good for him and there's a good reason for him to be wearing a decepticon symbol inside his facemask

Saw this on the Itunes sneak preview, but gonna mention it here.

1) I love how Tailgate still seems to have avoided looking like his recent toy.
2)I love how Bombshell is retroactively his new CW figure as he's spying on Hunter.

Ain't I a hypocrite?

I still want to know what's going on with that cover. Ratchet's looking down on his friends from on high, Hot Rod looks forelorn, First Aid is wiping a "tear", Rung is consoling, Nautica is fan--girling, and oh my god is there a lot of emotion in Getaway's face for having no mouth, no nose, indeed no sign of ANYTJING elow his eyes, just a solid metal skin.

Flashwave wrote: I love how Tailgate still seems to have avoided looking like his recent toy.

To be fair, despite the card art, the generations' toy was really just a loose interpretation and approximation for Nick Roche's character design in MTMTE.