Sneak Peek - IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #38 iTunes Preview
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JOURNEY'S END! Across time, across space, from prewar Messatine to postwar CYBERTRON—it's all been heading towards this—the moment when the fate of the AUTOBOTS and the DECEPTICONS is sealed. At the heart of it all: three killers, two outcomes... and one terrible, terrible choice.
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Posted by prjkt on February 26th, 2015 @ 4:41am CST
This series just keeps getting better
Posted by Nemesis Maximo on February 26th, 2015 @ 5:56am CST
Does this mean we see that Megatron is Constructed Cold? Or is it still as ambiguous as Roberts has kept it thus far?
Posted by Randomhero on February 26th, 2015 @ 10:40am CST
Nemesis Maximo wrote:"Th havn't finished building you [...]?"
Does this mean we see that Megatron is Constructed Cold? Or is it still as ambiguous as Roberts has kept it thus far?
Maybe...MAYBE.
Here's the thing, Megatron has been IDd as a point-one-percentor yet he still doesn't want to talk about it and his reasoning has always been that even though classism is gone, it's still around if you identify your spark. Anyway, megatrons spark is blue here and point-one-percentors are green. It just so happens Brainstorm has a POP in his possession from Luna One and he has it with him because the briefcase only allows 2 spark types. That's how so many different types of bots went back to stop brainstorm.
Here's the theory, the original Megatron(guy not finished being built) is going to die and they use the point-one-percentor spark to give life to the Megatron we all know and love/hate. Possibly making his birth as forged or constructed cold and touchy issue.
Posted by SimianProphet on February 26th, 2015 @ 11:26am CST
I wonder if Megatron's Potential-Point-One-Percenter spark coming from Cybertron's lost moon 5 million years in the future will have any further story implications..
I have no idea what, but I could see it having some significance.
Posted by Nemesis Maximo on February 26th, 2015 @ 1:01pm CST
Randomhero wrote:Nemesis Maximo wrote:"Th havn't finished building you [...]?"
Does this mean we see that Megatron is Constructed Cold? Or is it still as ambiguous as Roberts has kept it thus far?
Maybe...MAYBE.
Here's the thing, Megatron has been IDd as a point-one-percentor yet he still doesn't want to talk about it and his reasoning has always been that even though classism is gone, it's still around if you identify your spark. Anyway, megatrons spark is blue here and point-one-percentors are green. It just so happens Brainstorm has a POP in his possession from Luna One and he has it with him because the briefcase only allows 2 spark types. That's how so many different types of bots went back to stop brainstorm.
Here's the theory, the original Megatron(guy not finished being built) is going to die and they use the point-one-percentor spark to give life to the Megatron we all know and love/hate. Possibly making his birth as forged or constructed cold and touchy issue.
Almost as if the time-travel paradox is that Brainstorm is meant to do whatever he plans on doing anyway, and that Rodimus and Friends preventing him from doing so would actually be worse than allowing him to follow through!
Posted by Randomhero on February 26th, 2015 @ 3:09pm CST
Nemesis Maximo wrote:Randomhero wrote:Nemesis Maximo wrote:"Th havn't finished building you [...]?"
Does this mean we see that Megatron is Constructed Cold? Or is it still as ambiguous as Roberts has kept it thus far?
Maybe...MAYBE.
Here's the thing, Megatron has been IDd as a point-one-percentor yet he still doesn't want to talk about it and his reasoning has always been that even though classism is gone, it's still around if you identify your spark. Anyway, megatrons spark is blue here and point-one-percentors are green. It just so happens Brainstorm has a POP in his possession from Luna One and he has it with him because the briefcase only allows 2 spark types. That's how so many different types of bots went back to stop brainstorm.
Here's the theory, the original Megatron(guy not finished being built) is going to die and they use the point-one-percentor spark to give life to the Megatron we all know and love/hate. Possibly making his birth as forged or constructed cold and touchy issue.
Almost as if the time-travel paradox is that Brainstorm is meant to do whatever he plans on doing anyway, and that Rodimus and Friends preventing him from doing so would actually be worse than allowing him to follow through!
It still doesn't explain the functionist time frame since apparent rodimus's team are creating pre-existing things like rung starting the fight, being sighted building the lost light model or Roller becoming tarn, yet brainstorm can change stuff. My guess and its a stretch is that the funtionalist universe only exists for a small moment of Megatron being dead and coming back to life. A giant WHAT IF situation.
TIMEYWIMEYMUMBLEJUMBLEIVEGONECROSSEYED!!!
Posted by Nemesis Maximo on February 26th, 2015 @ 3:25pm CST
Posted by steve2275 on February 26th, 2015 @ 4:24pm CST
Posted by CaptainMagic on February 26th, 2015 @ 6:06pm CST
SimianProphet wrote:This has me thinking, for no other reason other than that Roberts is sneaky, and likes every action and snippet of dialog to have some meaning..
I wonder if Megatron's Potential-Point-One-Percenter spark coming from Cybertron's lost moon 5 million years in the future will have any further story implications..
I have no idea what, but I could see it having some significance.
Well, for one thing it makes Rodimus responsible for Megatron existing. Remember that that spark only exists because Rodimus had the Matrix with him to ignite the hot spot, which means he and Megatron have the closest thing I can imagine to a father/son relationship in the IDWverse. Seeing how that affects these two should be amazing.
Posted by Nemesis Maximo on February 26th, 2015 @ 8:36pm CST
CaptainMagic wrote:SimianProphet wrote:This has me thinking, for no other reason other than that Roberts is sneaky, and likes every action and snippet of dialog to have some meaning..
I wonder if Megatron's Potential-Point-One-Percenter spark coming from Cybertron's lost moon 5 million years in the future will have any further story implications..
I have no idea what, but I could see it having some significance.
Well, for one thing it makes Rodimus responsible for Megatron existing. Remember that that spark only exists because Rodimus had the Matrix with him to ignite the hot spot, which means he and Megatron have the closest thing I can imagine to a father/son relationship in the IDWverse. Seeing how that affects these two should be amazing.
Where's Madeus when I need his damned meme?
Posted by padfoo on February 26th, 2015 @ 9:07pm CST
Posted by Soundwavesvisor on February 26th, 2015 @ 10:06pm CST
Posted by MrBlack on February 27th, 2015 @ 8:59am CST
CaptainMagic wrote:SimianProphet wrote:This has me thinking, for no other reason other than that Roberts is sneaky, and likes every action and snippet of dialog to have some meaning..
I wonder if Megatron's Potential-Point-One-Percenter spark coming from Cybertron's lost moon 5 million years in the future will have any further story implications..
I have no idea what, but I could see it having some significance.
Well, for one thing it makes Rodimus responsible for Megatron existing. Remember that that spark only exists because Rodimus had the Matrix with him to ignite the hot spot, which means he and Megatron have the closest thing I can imagine to a father/son relationship in the IDWverse. Seeing how that affects these two should be amazing.
Well, we assume that's what ignited the hot spot, but there was one other bot who hit the ground at the same time as Rodimus...
Posted by Nemesis Maximo on February 27th, 2015 @ 9:38am CST
MrBlack wrote:CaptainMagic wrote:SimianProphet wrote:This has me thinking, for no other reason other than that Roberts is sneaky, and likes every action and snippet of dialog to have some meaning..
I wonder if Megatron's Potential-Point-One-Percenter spark coming from Cybertron's lost moon 5 million years in the future will have any further story implications..
I have no idea what, but I could see it having some significance.
Well, for one thing it makes Rodimus responsible for Megatron existing. Remember that that spark only exists because Rodimus had the Matrix with him to ignite the hot spot, which means he and Megatron have the closest thing I can imagine to a father/son relationship in the IDWverse. Seeing how that affects these two should be amazing.
Well, we assume that's what ignited the hot spot, but there was one other bot who hit the ground at the same time as Rodimus...
You mean Rung?
Posted by MrBlack on February 27th, 2015 @ 9:41am CST
Nemesis Maximo wrote:MrBlack wrote:CaptainMagic wrote:SimianProphet wrote:This has me thinking, for no other reason other than that Roberts is sneaky, and likes every action and snippet of dialog to have some meaning..
I wonder if Megatron's Potential-Point-One-Percenter spark coming from Cybertron's lost moon 5 million years in the future will have any further story implications..
I have no idea what, but I could see it having some significance.
Well, for one thing it makes Rodimus responsible for Megatron existing. Remember that that spark only exists because Rodimus had the Matrix with him to ignite the hot spot, which means he and Megatron have the closest thing I can imagine to a father/son relationship in the IDWverse. Seeing how that affects these two should be amazing.
Well, we assume that's what ignited the hot spot, but there was one other bot who hit the ground at the same time as Rodimus...
You mean Rung?
Yarp.
It may all be a red herring, but it's out there. We still don't quite know what exactly Rung is, even if his status as a historical constant has seemingly been addressed.
Posted by partholon on February 27th, 2015 @ 6:23pm CST
It's not the same blue as the panals around him anyway so the whole moon spark thing could be a red herring ( if ya excuse the chromatic humour ::). -)
Posted by Nemesis Maximo on February 27th, 2015 @ 11:18pm CST
partholon wrote:Am I the only one.that thinks the spark looks green already ?
It's not the same blue as the panals around him anyway so the whole moon spark thing could be a red herring ( if ya excuse the chromatic humour ::). -)
Maybe...it's hard to say...
Posted by Va'al on March 3rd, 2015 @ 4:16am CST
Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #38—Days of Deception
James Roberts (w) • Alex Milne (a & c)
JOURNEY'S END! Across time, across space, from prewar Messatine to postwar CYBERTRON—it's all been heading towards this—the moment when the fate of the AUTOBOTS and the DECEPTICONS is sealed. At the heart of it all: three killers, two outcomes... and one terrible, terrible choice.
FC • 32 pages • $3.99
Bullet points:
Days of Deception continues!
Variant Cover by Jeffrey Veregge!
Posted by SW's SilverHammer on March 3rd, 2015 @ 5:26am CST
Also I think brainstorms endgame was to return functionalist control; but we'll see Wednesday.
Posted by prjkt on March 3rd, 2015 @ 5:52am CST
Posted by SW's SilverHammer on March 3rd, 2015 @ 6:16am CST
Posted by Nemesis Maximo on March 3rd, 2015 @ 9:25am CST
Brainstorm's plan...I keep thinking I might have handle on it, but when I try to put it into words, I lose it.
I SO cannot wait for Wednesday!
Posted by LE0KING on March 3rd, 2015 @ 8:48pm CST
prjkt wrote:there's that number 113 again
I haven't noticed it before, care to share?
Posted by SW's SilverHammer on March 3rd, 2015 @ 8:58pm CST
LE0KING wrote:prjkt wrote:there's that number 113 again
I haven't noticed it before, care to share?
James Robert's first Transformers comic was issue #113. Because of that, the number 113 is constantly showing up in his work. Agent 113, room 113, Datalog 113, 113th Cybertronian Senate, 113th Battalion, Code 113, Sector 113, it goes on and on, and on.
Posted by LE0KING on March 3rd, 2015 @ 10:11pm CST
Posted by Flashwave on March 4th, 2015 @ 12:28am CST
SW's SilverHammer wrote:Oh damn, I just noticed brainstorm's pinky is up! Like a true dandy. Reminds me of Reaver from fable.
Isn't that a nice touch? And the gun, too...
Posted by Va'al on March 4th, 2015 @ 5:16am CST
(Spoiler free-ish)
Synopsis
JOURNEY'S END! Across time, across space, from prewar Messatine to postwar CYBERTRON—it's all been heading towards this—the moment when the fate of the AUTOBOTS and the DECEPTICONS is sealed. At the heart of it all: three killers, two outcomes... and one terrible, terrible choice.
Story
What we really get in More Than Meets the Eye #38 is three conclusions. The end of the Elegant Chaos arc, under Days of Deception; the end of the Cybertronian trilogy according to James Roberts, started in Chaos Theory (2011); the end of the world as someone knows it. How we get there, though, is a whole other journey.
There was a strange feeling running through my head as I was reading the issue, the same sense of unease that I had found in the other parts of Elegant Chaos, as if it was just building and building, without really reaching its climax - and it feels even more the case in #38. Discussing it with others on the staff, we believe we've cracked that mutual feeling: this is really not about the action, or even the story itself.
What Chaos Theory, Shadowplay and Elegant Chaos offer are is a an exquisite series of character developments and spotlights, retreading older paths and forking ways, in the wider frame of time travel and end-of-the-world threats. We get, then, to see the origin of Megatron, but also Whirl and Orion Pax; of Rewind, Chromedome and other relationships formed and lost; of Rung's historic constant, and much more beyond that; of Rodimus' leader skills; of quantum jump technology; of the whole MTMTE series.
If you're looking for a semi-linear, action-based story that revolves around and solves all the questions it poses, you may not want to read this just yet. Go back to 2011, and read the three parts from there up to today. This book deserves more of your time than just one read, and sheds a lot of (fragmented) light on what came before it. Give it time.
Art
The story, the arc, the events, are realy about the characters, then - and Alex Milne's character work is probably the most appropriate combination that could've been had. Yes, the backgrounds and settings are as great as always, but it's the body language, the positioning, the interactions, the facial expressions that truly stand out here.
Combine that with the fantastic colouring work provided by Joana Lafuente, and the bodies and faces no longer need to speak for themselves, as the hues of colour, saturation and gradients seeping into the scenes offer not only background but also mood settings and indications.
There is also plenty of space, from the title pages, to the captions, to some of the speeches, for Tom B. Long to flex his fontastic fingerskills, including a number of action-heavier scenes in the latter half of the book. While we've seen the decorative RI cover by Jeffrey Veregge already, the thumbnailed B cover, by Nick Roche and Josh Burcham really makes sense post-reading, too.
Thoughts
Spoilerish ahead
I'd like to thank ScottyP for teasing out some of my own thoughts on this issue, as we briefly discussed why it did and didn't work at certain turning points. And I think I've highlighted most of those further above. But, in no particular order, I hope you pick up on the following: Rewind, Brainstorm, Tailgate, Perceptor. Some major, some minor, but all part of the intricate web of personalities that characterise the Lost Light crew.
There are some very powerful, emotional moments in the overall arc of the issue, and sometimes it can feel as though there are maybe too many, too different and all together. But they have just enough time, and space, to work out, compared to other endings by Roberts' storylines - and then you have that very last page. Good luck.
Posted by budmaloney on March 4th, 2015 @ 11:10am CST
Only thing was that Rewind killing Megatron didn't have the consequences you'd expect. Instead he was justified. It felt a bit immature. I know they want to show more Domey and Rewind scenes, but seriously, the entire universe could have been destroyed because of that action.
MTME's art is always awesome, the expressions and all are what make this series perfect, despite not meeting certain plot expectations.
Posted by Samsonator on March 4th, 2015 @ 12:27pm CST
Rodimus builds the Lost Light's engine, creating the Lost Light as we know it
Brainstorm's Sparkeater Gun, in the hands of Cyclonus, creates the Sparkeater in the basement
The crew records the message from the future that was in the first issue
Megatron is (as was speculated) a spark from the future in a body from the past
Also the bit at the end in the alternate functionist timeline where Rung is about to go full-on revolutionary? Brilliant.
Posted by ScottyP on March 4th, 2015 @ 12:40pm CST
budmaloney wrote:Only thing was that Rewind killing Megatron didn't have the consequences you'd expect. Instead he was justified. It felt a bit immature. I know they want to show more Domey and Rewind scenes, but seriously, the entire universe could have been destroyed because of that action.
I disagree on that one. This scene takes the character from feeling like an outsider traveling with Transformers to making him feel like a Heroic Autobot in every sense of the word. The point I got out of it was that he shoots Megatron to save the rest of the galaxy, even if it totally screws up Cybertron. This is Optimus Prime level self-sacrifice kind of stuff, big picture stuff that gives some credibility to the wisdom others seem to look towards him for in other parts of the story.
Posted by Nemesis Maximo on March 4th, 2015 @ 9:34pm CST
Okay, so ...I'm not even sure where to start.. From a writing standpoint, it al felt a bit rushed to me. Taken holistically, it's better, but somethng of an un-epic conclusion.
Now, I loved the ironic bit at the end where Perceptor talks about parrallel universes. And Back to the Future? Awesome. But I am kind of sad to know the origin of the cryptic message at the end of the first issue. Although it is time travel, so jutified.
But now, has Megatron always been a point-one-percenter? It would stand to reason, but that part was still somewhat vague to me.
Also, how did Brainstorm go from dying to suddenly he's okay in a cell in the Lost Light?
And when is Drift coming back aboard?
Goddamn time travel.
Posted by 1984forever on March 5th, 2015 @ 12:13am CST
Posted by Nemesis Maximo on March 5th, 2015 @ 5:11am CST
Posted by 1984forever on March 5th, 2015 @ 5:58am CST
Five years with the same characters! They never did that in G1. They wrote about somebody for maybe a year or two and then we got a break. Roberts uses the same old Autobots nearly month after month. It hurts him to write about Decepticons. If he uses 'cons they have to be castrated like Overlord, or driven half-crazy and turned Autobot like Megatron!Nemesis Maximo wrote:Why do you continue to read it if you hate it so much? All you do is bring suffering to yourself and others. Same old characters? Roberts has been writhing these characters for five years tops, whereas Prime, Megs, Screamer and Bee have been the focus of stories for THIRTY YEARS.
Posted by ScottyP on March 5th, 2015 @ 8:16am CST
Nemesis Maximo wrote:Also, how did Brainstorm go from dying to suddenly he's okay in a cell in the Lost Light?
And when is Drift coming back aboard?
Goddamn time travel.
Probably saving more of the first question there for later.
Also, I'd expect "soon" is the answer, they just had to tie up EoS first.
Finally, yeah, in the overall scheme of things, the time travel here was executed cleverly and served the needs of the plot, but I'm glad it's over. A bit worn down on the extra dimensional/hyper spatial/paradox hula hoop stuff.
Posted by Russimus Prime on March 5th, 2015 @ 9:03am CST
Over all I must say that I haven't been as excited to read an single issue of a comic book as I was for this one in quite some time. Well done Roberts and Milne, a truly complimentary partnership. Milne not only sets the scenery for Roberts' words but furthers the story visually and in certain cases is just as important as the spoken word.
While I grew up on G1, and have often times considered myself a G1 purist, IDW (particularly Roberts) has created a universe so vast and rich that IDW is becoming my favorite continuity. For all the haters, IDW has now run well beyond the length of the original Marvel continuity, and in many ways has surpassed it in terms of story telling and art. Nothing against Furman, Wildman, Budiansky, Senior et all, I love your work and grew up on it, but this is a more evolved universe and story.
Certainly there have been missteps in the IDW universe, Drift: Empire of Stone being one of recent memory (someone said it simply read as words and pictures and I couldn't agree more), they are trailblazing here in Transformers terms.
Beat Roberts up for "focusing on the same characters," but lets face it, he has made people care about characters that no one cared about before. Obviously MTME has Rodimus, Magnus, Ratchet and now Megatron anchoring the story but he has made us care about many other "fringe" characters. I had always liked Cyclonus, but he has become a very intriguing character that has grown from his experiences. Drift is a far more interesting character with Roberts writing him. Chromedome, Rewind, Whirl, Tailgate, Swerve who cared about these guys before this MTME? And don't forget Rung. While he maybe a self indulgent "Mary Sue" of a character he also serves as a bit of a window into this Transformers universe for us the reader. As he is the character out of place, if you will -not being from the original G1 continuity.
I'm ranting...
Well done Roberts and Milne, I look forward to what the furthering adventures of the Lost Light crew.
Posted by Nemesis Maximo on March 5th, 2015 @ 11:45am CST
1984forever wrote:Five years with the same characters! They never did that in G1. They wrote about somebody for maybe a year or two and then we got a break. Roberts uses the same old Autobots nearly month after month. It hurts him to write about Decepticons. If he uses 'cons they have to be castrated like Overlord, or driven half-crazy and turned Autobot like Megatron!Nemesis Maximo wrote:Why do you continue to read it if you hate it so much? All you do is bring suffering to yourself and others. Same old characters? Roberts has been writhing these characters for five years tops, whereas Prime, Megs, Screamer and Bee have been the focus of stories for THIRTY YEARS.
Which is exactly why this is better than G1 in every way. Instead of only one or two or on rare occasions three episodes devoted to somebody who wasn't Optimus or Spike or Rodimus, we have this thing called character developement.
Posted by MrBlack on March 5th, 2015 @ 3:59pm CST
Nemesis Maximo wrote:All I can say is: wait, what? What just happened?
Okay, so ...I'm not even sure where to start.. From a writing standpoint, it al felt a bit rushed to me. Taken holistically, it's better, but somethng of an un-epic conclusion.
Now, I loved the ironic bit at the end where Perceptor talks about parrallel universes. And Back to the Future? Awesome. But I am kind of sad to know the origin of the cryptic message at the end of the first issue. Although it is time travel, so jutified.
But now, has Megatron always been a point-one-percenter? It would stand to reason, but that part was still somewhat vague to me.
Also, how did Brainstorm go from dying to suddenly he's okay in a cell in the Lost Light?
And when is Drift coming back aboard?
Goddamn time travel.
Megatron's status as a point one percenter has been hinted at in the past, and I think Roberts straight out said it on Twitter at some point (consult TFWiki). It seemed pretty obvious that the spark Brainstorm had with him would end up being Megatron's spark since the beginning of this storyline, although it was interesting to see that Whirl of all bots was the one who put it in him.
Brainstorm always exaggerates. He was hurt, but not dying (Cyclonus even said he would be fine at the beginning of the issue).
It looks like Ratchet convinced Drift to come back in the last issue of Empire of Stone. I would guess that the mini takes place a bit after the current MTMTE arc. There is an upcoming issue with Ratchet holding the crew on the cover, and I surmise that this is where Ratchet leaves to find Drift.
Posted by 1984forever on March 6th, 2015 @ 6:21am CST
That's YOUR opinion. IDWs characters have developed Into characters who are not even real Transformers! Nothing has surpassed G1. G1 was a craze back in '84, it was Transformers mania! No one feels that way about MTMTE. Roberts book is so great in your opinion, but it can't even outsell the original Marvel run that so many G1 haters claim is so poorly written. Transformers as a whole now is just another franchise, it can't measure up to G1. It has no passion.Nemesis Maximo wrote:1984forever wrote:Five years with the same characters! They never did that in G1. They wrote about somebody for maybe a year or two and then we got a break. Roberts uses the same old Autobots nearly month after month. It hurts him to write about Decepticons. If he uses 'cons they have to be castrated like Overlord, or driven half-crazy and turned Autobot like Megatron!Nemesis Maximo wrote:Why do you continue to read it if you hate it so much? All you do is bring suffering to yourself and others. Same old characters? Roberts has been writhing these characters for five years tops, whereas Prime, Megs, Screamer and Bee have been the focus of stories for THIRTY YEARS.
Which is exactly why this is better than G1 in every way. Instead of only one or two or on rare occasions three episodes devoted to somebody who wasn't Optimus or Spike or Rodimus, we have this thing called character developement.
Roberts' Megatron is feeble, the DJD are weak carnival sideshow freaks, and every Autobot on the Lost Light has aluminum siding for armor plating. Roberts has gone soft since the Last Days of the Wreckers. I feel like I'm reading "Archie" every time I pick up an issue of MTMTE. Only with Betty and Veronica replaced with Chromedome and Rewind.
Posted by ScottyP on March 6th, 2015 @ 7:47am CST
MrBlack wrote:There is an upcoming issue with Ratchet holding the crew on the cover, and I surmise that this is where Ratchet leaves to find Drift.
Hmm, I always assumed that his conspicuous absence in this latest arc was just him away being pals with Drift on another planet. Seems with his smarts they'd have consulted him on some of this time travel business, but then again they didn't really bother Nautica much with it either.
Posted by Nemesis Maximo on March 6th, 2015 @ 4:53pm CST
1984forever wrote:That's YOUR opinion. IDWs characters have developed Into characters who are not even real Transformers! Nothing has surpassed G1. G1 was a craze back in '84, it was Transformers mania! No one feels that way about MTMTE. Roberts book is so great in your opinion, but it can't even outsell the original Marvel run that so many G1 haters claim is so poorly written. Transformers as a whole now is just another franchise, it can't measure up to G1. It has no passion.Nemesis Maximo wrote:1984forever wrote:Five years with the same characters! They never did that in G1. They wrote about somebody for maybe a year or two and then we got a break. Roberts uses the same old Autobots nearly month after month. It hurts him to write about Decepticons. If he uses 'cons they have to be castrated like Overlord, or driven half-crazy and turned Autobot like Megatron!Nemesis Maximo wrote:Why do you continue to read it if you hate it so much? All you do is bring suffering to yourself and others. Same old characters? Roberts has been writhing these characters for five years tops, whereas Prime, Megs, Screamer and Bee have been the focus of stories for THIRTY YEARS.
Which is exactly why this is better than G1 in every way. Instead of only one or two or on rare occasions three episodes devoted to somebody who wasn't Optimus or Spike or Rodimus, we have this thing called character developement.
Roberts' Megatron is feeble, the DJD are weak carnival sideshow freaks, and every Autobot on the Lost Light has aluminum siding for armor plating. Roberts has gone soft since the Last Days of the Wreckers. I feel like I'm reading "Archie" every time I pick up an issue of MTMTE. Only with Betty and Veronica replaced with Chromedome and Rewind.
How can you say that they're not even real Transformers? That has no base in fact. That's YOUR opinion. The fact that they're Transformers isn't just a gimic anymore, it's a natural part of their lives. Everyone (except you) on this thread has been eagerly awaiting, anticipating, salivating over the release of this issue, and when you say that no one feels anything for the series, I am insulted.
And this has outlasted the original comic. And who here has said the original comic is poorly written? I certainly havn't. Some of my favorite stories were from the Marvel UK run. But this isn't just a redrawn, recolored version of Furman's scripts.
Roberts' Megatron isn't just some lunatic card-carrying villain with a new WMD every week. Here, he actually has motivation and purpose.
Posted by SW's SilverHammer on March 6th, 2015 @ 4:58pm CST
Nemesis Maximo wrote:1984forever wrote:That's YOUR opinion. IDWs characters have developed Into characters who are not even real Transformers! Nothing has surpassed G1. G1 was a craze back in '84, it was Transformers mania! No one feels that way about MTMTE. Roberts book is so great in your opinion, but it can't even outsell the original Marvel run that so many G1 haters claim is so poorly written. Transformers as a whole now is just another franchise, it can't measure up to G1. It has no passion.Nemesis Maximo wrote:1984forever wrote:Five years with the same characters! They never did that in G1. They wrote about somebody for maybe a year or two and then we got a break. Roberts uses the same old Autobots nearly month after month. It hurts him to write about Decepticons. If he uses 'cons they have to be castrated like Overlord, or driven half-crazy and turned Autobot like Megatron!Nemesis Maximo wrote:Why do you continue to read it if you hate it so much? All you do is bring suffering to yourself and others. Same old characters? Roberts has been writhing these characters for five years tops, whereas Prime, Megs, Screamer and Bee have been the focus of stories for THIRTY YEARS.
Which is exactly why this is better than G1 in every way. Instead of only one or two or on rare occasions three episodes devoted to somebody who wasn't Optimus or Spike or Rodimus, we have this thing called character developement.
Roberts' Megatron is feeble, the DJD are weak carnival sideshow freaks, and every Autobot on the Lost Light has aluminum siding for armor plating. Roberts has gone soft since the Last Days of the Wreckers. I feel like I'm reading "Archie" every time I pick up an issue of MTMTE. Only with Betty and Veronica replaced with Chromedome and Rewind.
Roberts' Megatron isn't just some lunatic card-carrying villain with a new WMD every week. Here, he actually has motivation and purpose.
Also it has been established that he's an old dude, even by transformers standards. I mean if you where in like 40 to 50, would you still want to carry on with senseless bloodshed that perverted your original beliefs for so, so many years.
Posted by Prowl4 on March 8th, 2015 @ 8:07pm CDT
Posted by Nemesis Maximo on March 8th, 2015 @ 10:24pm CDT
Posted by Prowl4 on March 9th, 2015 @ 4:55am CDT
Nemesis Maximo wrote:That's a good way to put it, Prowl4. Big build up, flat ending. That's not to say I didn't enjoy it, because I did immensely. But I agree with you.
That's exactly it. Roberts has said on twitter brainstorm being a con will be explored but they're really dragging it out now. I have expected a khan like scene with brainstorm in the cell and rodimus or ultra magnus questioning him.
I think since hasbro start making toys of the comics they've dictated the stories as mtmte used to have great resolutions and build up to a great finale whereas this arc and dark cybertron fell flat on their faces.
Posted by Nemesis Maximo on March 9th, 2015 @ 8:56am CDT
Prowl4 wrote:Nemesis Maximo wrote:That's a good way to put it, Prowl4. Big build up, flat ending. That's not to say I didn't enjoy it, because I did immensely. But I agree with you.
That's exactly it. Roberts has said on twitter brainstorm being a con will be explored but they're really dragging it out now. I have expected a khan like scene with brainstorm in the cell and rodimus or ultra magnus questioning him.
I think since hasbro start making toys of the comics they've dictated the stories as mtmte used to have great resolutions and build up to a great finale whereas this arc and dark cybertron fell flat on their faces.
Well, I thought the Slaughterhouse arc ended pretty good, that was a few issues. As far as Dark Cybertron, I did feel that some of the cameos by new toys were shoehorned pretty obviously, but I wouldn't go as far as to Hasbro is TRULY dictating the storylines. More like the characters, perhaps.
Posted by Prowl4 on March 10th, 2015 @ 4:46pm CDT
Toys have been shoe horned in like sky byte rhinox tankor and rattrap but I'm glad to see scoop get used.
Posted by SW's SilverHammer on March 10th, 2015 @ 5:03pm CDT
Prowl4 wrote:I'd have to disagree nemesis maximus I think hasbro is dictating I mean look at the quality of story in the last six months in comparison to 1-2 years ago. Chromedome and rewind have become seriously unlikable.
Okay i've been seeing this so much, how are they unlikable?
Prowl4 wrote:Toys have been shoe horned in like sky byte rhinox tankor and rattrap but I'm glad to see scoop get used.
Soooo, you don't like characters that have been "shoe horned" into the comics but you like a character who was shoe horned into the comic? Also sky byte and rattrap have been in the comics before their toys. Rhinox and tankor? Not so much, but for Rhinox he was a character in a flashback, and they've established Tankor's just some dude you'd see on the streets.
Posted by Nemesis Maximo on March 10th, 2015 @ 5:46pm CDT
Prowl4 wrote:I'd have to disagree nemesis maximus I think hasbro is dictating I mean look at the quality of story in the last six months in comparison to 1-2 years ago. Chromedome and rewind have become seriously unlikable.
Toys have been shoe horned in like sky byte rhinox tankor and rattrap but I'm glad to see scoop get used.
See, I personally feel as though the story quality has remained steady for MTMTE, but has improved (marginally) for TF(RID).
While I agree with you about Rhinox, at least he had an expository reason to be there, given the animosity towards animal robots and his line. But Crosscut makes me cringe.
So I half agree with you.