Sneak Peek - IDW Optimus Prime #17, Issue #18 to Come Out on Same Day as #17

Hehe my sentiments exactly. I should probably get up to date on this comic. Have not been in a reading mood as of late.

In one sense having 17 and 18 out on the same is a good thing, it's just bad having the preview out that potentially spoils the end of 17. Still will be nice to read a larger chuck of the story then we'd able to otherwise. Though the name sterling just makes me think of cars 3 which my oldest insists on watching a lot recently.

I only saw the original cars movie. I was 16 when it came out and my Grandpa wanted to take me and I was trying to make excuses not to go because I was "too old" to go to kid movies. He kept asking so I finally caved in. It was actually a pretty good movie and now that I am older I am glad I did even if I felt goofy at the time. Grandparents are limited edition. Spend time with em while you have them because you will miss them.

I might watch the sequels for old times sake at some point though.

There are many, MANY examples where the sequel surpasses the original in terms of quality.

Cars 2 is not an example.

:Reads review samples that a few of us get:

Do not read even one page of 18 before 17. Don't do it. Don't do it. You'll want to but wow, indeed, don't you dare do it.

Page 1 of 18 gives you the super high level cliff's notes of 17 and you'll be pissed at yourself for checking it. Consider yourself warned, again!

Noted ScottyP. Bout time these issues came out. Though occupied, the time gap felt like an eternity. 2 issues really does make up for it. lol

Thanks to regular source for this type of comics news Multiversity Comics, we now have the full preview for next week's issue of the IDW Publishing ongoing Transformers series Optimus Prime! Issue 17 is the one shown below, though both 17 and 18 will be released on Wednesday - and as we have told you in our previous story, avoid ALL previews for issue 18 until you've read the one below.

Check it out, and share your thoughts on where this series is leading in its penultimate arc in the Energon Pub!

Written by John Barber
Art and cover by Kei Zama
Colored by Josh Burcham
Lettered by Tom B. Long

“The Falling,” Part 3: Onyx Prime sows the seeds of chaos and panic on Cybertron as he reveals dark secrets… but nothing will prepare Optimus Prime and his allies for Onyx’s darkest revelation!

FC • 32 pages • $3.99
Variant cover by Thomas Deer!

Synopsis
“The Falling,” Part 3: Onyx Prime sows the seeds of chaos and panic on Cybertron as he reveals dark secrets… but nothing will prepare Optimus Prime and his allies for Onyx’s darkest revelation!

“The Falling,” Interlude. All hope seems lost as Onyx Prime confronts Optimus—but why has Onyx returned? What’s his ultimate goal? Millions of years worth of mysteries are solved as the secret history of Onyx Prime is finally revealed!



Story
If you read the synopsis section just above, you will notice that there are two of them rather than the single issue - that is because this week, and this review, has two issue of the Optimus Prime ongoing series being released by IDW Publishing. To avoid spoilers as much as possible, we decided to talk about both in the same text, and I am taking extra care to talk more about narrative and execution than plot specifically. Nothing different than usual, just a little more vagueness, if you'll bear with me.



With that all said and out of the way, then: John Barber has decided to take a very different turn for The Falling. Weird, even. His writing hasn't shied away from time displacement and travel, black hole paradoxes, and the consequences of all of the above notions at play (just look at Syndromica and Dark Cybertron, or even Revolutionaries). But here, we reach a whole new level of temporal and narrative freedom - to varying degrees of success.



In #17, the story continues, as the aftermath of Soundwave's actions in #16 is addressed and Onyx Primal gets more terrifying by the frame in his actions, words, and clear direction forward (which looks a lot like backwards). And it's a build-up that reverberates with a lot of the themes address in the series so far, with Aileron taking the narration spot and looking at the category of Primes and heroes from a vantage point, really.



Then we have a reveal. A big one. A narrative, time-shattering one, on the very last page. And issue #18 (aptly named Interlude) deals with this instead, charging the story being told in a way that is yes, entirely exposition, but exposition that is surprisingly well woven and doesn't feel like a pause too long or any kind of slog.

So where is the variation in the success I mention? General agreement on staff was that not everything landed immediately but, at the same time, risks were taken and the pay-off is yet fully to come with more of the arc to follow in the coming months. And the aspects played upon in these issues are not entirely out of nowhere, in Barber's repertoire and I'm very pleased with the editing assist of David Mariotte, keeping all things in check as Barber lets himself loose.

Art

In #17, Kei Zama and Josh Burcham are - I think - showing off their skills. We have a ridiculous range of emotive and dynamic in frame layouts, with interactions being silent as the overwhelming and overpowering presence of Onyx takes up most of the space. Things get out of hand, and space and colour are used to the best of their effects, with some truly incredible compositions and transformation sequences, too.



In #18, Sara Pitre Durocher offers the general framework of the current events (opening and closing), along with colours by master of technicolour continuity Burcham - both of whom, together, maintain the stage in the same light and tone as the final act of the previous issue, and chillingly set up the Interlude story.

Livio Ramondelli has the main duties for the latter, and his style, once more, proves perfectly suited to the past, mythology infused Weird!Barber script. The Aligned continuity that once was part of another narrative universe definitely takes shape and form in his lines and colours, and the Primes of old can easily be identified in their rise and expansion - awingly so.



There is little more that can be said about Tom B. Long's work on lettering for these books, but as Barber (and Mariotte) stick to their captioning and name tagging techniques, his fonts and placing don't skip a beat, and allow for the story - with a lot of exposition, as I said - to flow as organically as a twisted story as this one can.

The covers are multiple, and glorious, with the main ones taken care of by Zama and Burcham, including some clear lineart of Solus Prime from the former, and Casey Coller / JP Bove for issue #17's B cover (in the style of its predecessors, as seen in our database, plus the #18 Megatronus variant from Livio Ramondelli (others also in database!). But the one featured in the thumbnail is Thomas Teyowisonte Deer's gorgeous take on the Autobot leader, the Arisen, and seemingly the pivot of the entire storyline.

Thoughts
Spoilerish ahead

As I said above, Barber has taken the weird, paradox route, and by doing so taking some really big risks that may not please a section of the readership (and unfortunately proving some clichés about comics narratives in general in the doing, too) - but, some of those risks are still not fully revealed, and where they may not work in these issues for now, two more chapters of The Falling are still due before the final arc. In the words of Onyx, this is indeed just the prelude to the finale, and we are bound to return to its topics and characters very very soon.



The multiple art teams, with Burcham working as continuity lynchpin, do some wonders with what could've been an extremely, frustratingly confusing story, and the aftermath of Onyx's arrival is dealt with in perhaps the most personal and brutal way that this series has seen this far - also partly due to Aileron's perspective, and Soundwave's involvement. I do not believe we are seeing the entire truth, yet, but next month will confirm suspicions - and let me tell you, I am buzzing.

An excellent review va'al, and it must have been hard reviewing both 17 and 18 together and fighting the urge to talk more about the bombshells of 18. I will ask this though, was there anything presented that you make will be important for unicron?

Just read them both, and all I can think is. ...damn. I never thought I'd say this, but this is even more convoluted than the average issue of Lost Light. And I don't know if I mean that in a bad way or a good way.

ZeroWolf wrote:An excellent review va'al, and it must have been hard reviewing both 17 and 18 together and fighting the urge to talk more about the bombshells of 18. I will ask this though, was there anything presented that you make will be important for unicron?

Thank you! It was less hard than I thought, given how the story is presented in #18.

As for the latter point: I actually don't. I think The Falling will lead to the Unicron event, but not in a direct manner. It'll use points that are being shown and developed here, perhaps, but nothing directly tied in, if that makes sense.

I may be entirely wrong, but that's what I think so far!

Bounti76 wrote:Just read them both, and all I can think is. ...damn. I never thought I'd say this, but this is even more convoluted than the average issue of Lost Light. And I don't know if I mean that in a bad way or a good way.

It took me a few days to process it, but I think I like it. It's somewhat based on assumption that everything is still not what it seems.

I do most definitely like it when Barber gets experimental, and this arc has been stuffed full of it so far.

If anyone hasn’t go to TFWIKI and read the article for number 18. It will make your head spin.

Barber told me on Twitter this is a story he’s been planting seeds in for over 4 years now and it insane.

At least he's been given the opportunity to reap that harvest.

Just realized a few issues ago Bludgeon said his master was returning. Well...he did lol

Really enjoyed the review, Va'al.

I feel like this is the kind of mind-bending reveal that LL tried but failed to be able to do. I wasn't thinking of getting into OP, but after all this. I may have to change my mind.

Question - what issue is best to start from?

AlphaBass wrote:Really enjoyed the review, Va'al.

I feel like this is the kind of mind-bending reveal that LL tried but failed to be able to do. I wasn't thinking of getting into OP, but after all this. I may have to change my mind.

Question - what issue is best to start from?

I’ve been telling folks that they’re sleeping on Optimus Prime. This book has consistently blown LL out of the freaking water, and issues 17 and 18 are the perfect encapsulation of that.

As for the best place to start? I’d say read The Death of Optimus Prime, then go to Transformers: Robots in Disguise #1.

Wow... Quite the bombshell.

Its gonna take a while to process this.

Wow, just wow.... I don't think I've ever been stunned as hard as I was here. I read that last part of 17, my jaw dropped, and I sat in silence for several minutes just staring into nowhere and thinking.

First off, that was an incredible job getting Shockwave in like that. And there was no clue even given this would happen, but then it did, and it makes complete logical sense. Everything about it fits, and it makes a great curveball that Barber does not use, but he killed it here.

It's awesome looking back at everything, and then you realize Shockwave basically did everything, he made the Cybertronian universe as it is. And this also makes him the oldest Cybertronian in this continuity behind only Kup, and probably the 2nd oldest Cybertronian ever between all the various continuities.

I find it kinda metal and cool and disturbing that Shockwave killed and then wore Onyx basically to set up Cybertronian history. And that everything he did helped his younger self with all of the ores and the Primes and everything. All of that, how he knew it, how Alpha Trion fit it and everything, it all works.

I also liked how we got a group shot of the Primes, and it included a bit of the Arisen. I really want to see where that goes.

I love Zama's Solus cover too. That may be my favorite cover of OP so far, it's marvelous.

Finally, If Shockwave had won the PotP pole, I wonder if they would have done this

Randomhero wrote:If anyone hasn’t go to TFWIKI and read the article for number 18. It will make your head spin.

Barber told me on Twitter this is a story he’s been planting seeds in for over 4 years now and it insane.

I know it may seem like a stretch, but reading the entry, it's insane how this all ties together, especially when you look at exactly what his ship is.

Combine that with the "in your face" hints - the single eye spaceship, Bumblebee being alive, him basically planting the Primes where he would put his ores - and Shockwave being alive is the kind of twist I can't help but applaud.

Also, I like how the wiki changed Shockwave's pic on his page from "IDW is mostly his fault" to "IDW is ENTIRELY his fault".

I LOL'd. Well done.

My favourite Ratchet panel from Lost Light #17, which I felt was also commenting on Optimus Prime 17-18.

AlphaBass wrote:Really enjoyed the review, Va'al.

I feel like this is the kind of mind-bending reveal that LL tried but failed to be able to do. I wasn't thinking of getting into OP, but after all this. I may have to change my mind.

Question - what issue is best to start from?

FROM THE BEGINNING!

I dont care what anyone says “oh start at death of Optimus prime” “start here with this issue”

No read it all! It deserves it! You might not like one story or one series but so much got called back by James Roberts and John barber that the entire universe deserves to be looked at because as of now it’s now it’s finite so just take the time

Randomhero wrote:

AlphaBass wrote:Really enjoyed the review, Va'al.

I feel like this is the kind of mind-bending reveal that LL tried but failed to be able to do. I wasn't thinking of getting into OP, but after all this. I may have to change my mind.

Question - what issue is best to start from?

FROM THE BEGINNING!

I dont care what anyone says “oh start at death of Optimus prime” “start here with this issue”

No read it all! It deserves it! You might not like one story or one series but so much got called back by James Roberts and John barber that the entire universe deserves to be looked at because as of now it’s now it’s finite so just take the time

Very true, and there is routes available online and physical for those who wish to read everything this continuity offered

Read the cross overs too. I know plenty don’t like them but I do so let yourself be the judge of them. Only series I can say you can skip-not because it bad but it just doesn’t call back to anything- transformers vs avengers. Yes, spotlight ramjet is a sequel to it but I read ramjet first and didn’t have a problem or was confused.

Randomhero wrote:Read the cross overs too. I know plenty don’t like them but I do so let yourself be the judge of them. Only series I can say you can skip-not because it bad but it just doesn’t call back to anything- transformers vs avengers. Yes, spotlight ramjet is a sequel to it but I read ramjet first and didn’t have a problem or was confused.

Thanks to both of you for the recommendations (and I also read someone suggest the Optimus Prime arc from DoOP to his return to now as a way of showing the consequences of his actions, which is brilliant stuff). I had been following since "Dark Cybertron" and got into MTMTE because of the interplay between characters (though tbh, "slaughterhouse" made me a full-on fan).

I'm not glad but kinda am that the series is being rebooted - if only because having that kind of payoff after years of setting up is the only way to go out.

See now I'm curious what does Shockwave know about Unicron coming. Also I feel sorry for whatever writer comes next as this is the Shockwave story to end all Shockwave stories. Going to be very hard to top this

New writers do so all the time. It's how comics work!

Couple more comments to add.

Firstly, With the revelation that Shockwave basically wrote history, we can now look at him, Brainstorm, and Whirl as being the 3 guys who basically wrote IDW. Shockwave handled everything pre-civil war, basically, and a lot of things that happened during and after too. Brainstorm is the reason the universe and the war started as it did, and Whirl is the reason Megatron went to violence and started the war.

Who would ever have thought those 3 would be the ones to write history eh?

Secondly: Whatever Shockwave's involvement with Unicron, and it is apparent thanks to the Unicron #1 cover, I think we can almost call him the herald of Unicron, if he really does know of his existence and what is about to come and how he set things up for that coming.

Finally: these past 2 issues made it really hard to decide between Onyx and Solus for my new profile pic here. But Onyx fit my name so much better, and I love Zama's art of him, especially the face

and Whirl is the reason Megatron went to violence and started the war.

So MTMTE/LL retconned Megatron: Origin?

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:

and Whirl is the reason Megatron went to violence and started the war.

So MTMTE/LL retconned Megatron: Origin?

No, MTMTE pre-dated Megatron: Origin. Whirl beat up Megatron after he was arrested for a bar fight he had no part in, but his friend at the time, Impactor, did. After being beat up, he started to think about how words were not enough, and then he was transferred to Luna 2, where then he killed his first bot and then started down his path.

ZeroWolf wrote:so if true then I must admit, I would have never seen that coming, that being Shockwave as a hearld though unless it's actually the opposite and Shockwave being the logical being he is has actually orchestrated everything as it is to give the best chance of beating unicron...

This is not a bad thought either

Maybe it’s becuase I’ve loved IDW almost from the beginning but I look at the reboot and I say “nothing can trump some stuff that IDW reimagined”

Nothing will ever be better than the following:

Shockwave
Galvatron
Cyclonus
Megatron
The wreckers
Stracream
Bumblebee
Rodimus
Magnus/minimus ambus
Human/cybertronian relations
Most importantly the reason for the war!

I don’t want to go back to the status quo that autobots are the good guys and the Decepticon are the bad guys who want galactic domination.

I don’t want a megatron that is evil because he’s evil. That’s nothing fresh and original. I don’t want shockwave to be megatron’s buttler and just hangs around on Cybertron. I don’t want Starscream to always betray megatron and never learn.

We got that stuff for 21 years before IDW decided to go Marvel ultimate universe and reimagine everything.

I guess things that could be improved on is probably Optimus. No fiction has managed to beat the original cartoon Optimus prime. He was heroic, charismatic, a true hero. While that may be generic it’s iconic in so many ways.

ZeroWolf wrote:so if true then I must admit, I would have never seen that coming, that being Shockwave as a hearld though unless it's actually the opposite and Shockwave being the logical being he is has actually orchestrated everything as it is to give the best chance of beating unicron...

Shockwave ain’t no herald of unicron. He’s back to unify Cybertron. He’s here to try and save everyone or what he thinks is saving them. He shows up as onyx with a cure to the tainted energon. Everything he just revealed in 18 was to ensure Cybertron and everyone is what history says.

Remember this is a guy who was almost destroyed the space/time continuum to preserve Cybertron and make it the only thing in the universe.

He’s not working for Unicron

So he's seen the future, seen what is likely to happen, and is looking to unite everyone against Uni.

The brain-bending thing is wondering how Dark Cybertron would have played out had he not been stopped.

AlphaBass wrote:So he's seen the future, seen what is likely to happen, and is looking to unite everyone against Uni.

The brain-bending thing is wondering how Dark Cybertron would have played out had he not been stopped.

That’s the fun thing. It never was suppose to succeed! Shockwave created the entire dark Cybertron prophecy knowing it would fail and pretty much unite everyone and the colonies. The real question is was dark Cybertron event the actual prophecy or is it actually unicron that is really the prophecy? All the way back in RID issue 10 Optimus was flung to the future and witnessed the planet he was on in all red and the ground being pulled up with Jhiaxus telling him “you don’t know what real chaos is”

That’s a plot thread still dangling. Something I thought was forgotten becuase I always believed dark Cybertron wasnt always planned and it wasn’t. James and John didn’t come up with dark Cybertron till mid 2012 when they met up with Hasbro to create the event and Syndromica part 1(issue 6) was already out and part 2(issue 10) would have already been produced or was in production. It’s always been my theory John was planning some big event maybe with unicron back in RID before they went with DC and retconned some stuff from the Syndromica story but there still are some threads left from that story. Mainly the time remote Optimus took from Jhiaxus. He still has it! It didn’t play a role in DC. Maybe it’s got a role to play with him getting tossed into the singularity.

Shockwave didn’t do that to get rid of Optimus. He did it to enlighten him.

So he's the true saviour of this continuity, a misunderstood character...yeah it's going to be hard for any future writer to top this Shockwave

ZeroWolf wrote:So he's the true saviour of this continuity, a misunderstood character...yeah it's going to be hard for any future writer to top this Shockwave

I think it’s going to be hard to top most of IDW. They broke almost every rule and remade everything. Where do you go? Back to them crashing on earth and waking up in 1984? Again?

Randomhero wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:So he's the true saviour of this continuity, a misunderstood character...yeah it's going to be hard for any future writer to top this Shockwave

I think it’s going to be hard to top most of IDW. They broke almost every rule and remade everything. Where do you go? Back to them crashing on earth and waking up in 1984? Again?

No one is topping Shockwave. Even if Marvel or someone else gets the license, MTMTE/RID has the multi-layered continuity that will be hard to replicate.

Actually, I do not envy who comes after because they'll be required to perform great almost immediately and won't have the luxury of world building that IDW had. A lot of what makes this stuff awesome are the callbacks and shades of grey.

AlphaBass wrote:

Randomhero wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:So he's the true saviour of this continuity, a misunderstood character...yeah it's going to be hard for any future writer to top this Shockwave

I think it’s going to be hard to top most of IDW. They broke almost every rule and remade everything. Where do you go? Back to them crashing on earth and waking up in 1984? Again?

No one is topping Shockwave. Even if Marvel or someone else gets the license, MTMTE/RID has the multi-layered continuity that will be hard to replicate.

Actually, I do not envy who comes after because they'll be required to perform great almost immediately and won't have the luxury of world building that IDW had. A lot of what makes this stuff awesome are the callbacks and shades of grey.

Oh definitely, in fact the new releases will be judged a lot harsher, especially by the different tribes that have formed ("not as good as marvel g1" "not as good as marvel UK g1" "nor as good as dreamwave" "not as good as furman idw" "not as good as pre-doop idw" "not as good as IDW") in one sense I think it would be good for the writers to throw caution to the wind and just let the creative jucices flow but I fear they are going to play it safe and just try to replicate what made g1 successful (and tie it into what hasbro are doing to boot, essentially getting the comic of the toy line which could work...)

That’s a sad thing about reboots in general nowadays. The big thing now is “play it safe”

Force awakens is a shining example of that. Play it safe and just remake A New Hope. That’s really why I didn’t like force awakens but that’s not what this is about. Just an example.

I will say this. I will do two things.

1. I will go in fresh and unbiased and give the reboot a shot and not try and compare it to this universe.

2. I’ll wait a year and pick up the trades and binge the first year and go monthly

That’s what I did with the first year of IDW becuase I wasn’t 100% sold right at the start. I waited till escalation ended grabbed infiltration, stormbringer, escalation and vol 1 and 2 of the spotlights and and then started going monthly. I read a couple here and there but wasn’t picking it up every month.

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:

and Whirl is the reason Megatron went to violence and started the war.

So MTMTE/LL retconned Megatron: Origin?

No, MTMTE pre-dated Megatron: Origin. Whirl beat up Megatron after he was arrested for a bar fight he had no part in, but his friend at the time, Impactor, did. After being beat up, he started to think about how words were not enough, and then he was transferred to Luna 2, where then he killed his first bot and then started down his path.

That is retconning Origin. He was just a miner and the death of.. Nameless prompted him to strike back and started him down his path. Even his first kill is explicitly stated in Origin!

You know, the kill that was the basis for This Cover:

Retcons are a part and parcel of comic books, especially for long running series. I can live with these as they don't dramatically affect things too much. It's not like they retconned the whole thing to say that he was actually a used car salesman who decided one day that he wanted control. They wanted to look at megatron in a new light but there wasnt too many openings in origins they could use so they went before it.

ZeroWolf wrote:Retcons are a part and parcel of comic books, especially for long running series. I can live with these as they don't dramatically affect things too much. It's not like they retconned the whole thing to say that he was actually a used car salesman who decided one day that he wanted control. They wanted to look at megatron in a new light but there wasnt too many openings in origins they could use so they went before it.

I've said this before, but having followed comics for two-ish decades, IDWverse is not old enough to warrant any retcon.

If there is some obscure fact from 25 years ago that conflicts with a current story, that can be justified retcon. Megatron Origin is barely 11 years old and still readily available. Not some lost tome that needed a modern redux due to it's rarity.
It speaks more to the ability and/or lack thereof, among the IDW writers for such a thing to be employed. For nothing more than to justify the "early adventures" of their roster in the already documented dawn of IDWverse.

I assume no such retcon of Prime has taken place either? Otherwise uproar would have been noted already.

A good writer would find enough wiggle room within the characterisation of the Origin story to tell their own tale, without lazily resorting to retcon. As shown in the many decades of comic stories featuring Magneto, Dr. Doom, Joker, Darkseid etc

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:Retcons are a part and parcel of comic books, especially for long running series. I can live with these as they don't dramatically affect things too much. It's not like they retconned the whole thing to say that he was actually a used car salesman who decided one day that he wanted control. They wanted to look at megatron in a new light but there wasnt too many openings in origins they could use so they went before it.

I've said this before, but having followed comics for two-ish decades, IDWverse is not old enough to warrant any retcon.

If there is some obscure fact from 25 years ago that conflicts with a current story, that can be justified retcon. Megatron Origin is barely 11 years old and still readily available. Not some lost tome that needed a modern redux due to it's rarity.
It speaks more to the ability and/or lack thereof, among the IDW writers for such a thing to be employed. For nothing more than to justify the "early adventures" of their roster in the already documented dawn of IDWverse.

I assume no such retcon of Prime has taken place either? Otherwise uproar would have been noted already.

A good writer would find enough wiggle room within the characterisation of the Origin story to tell their own tale, without lazily resorting to retcon. As shown in the many decades of comic stories featuring Magneto, Dr. Doom, Joker, Darkseid etc

well retconning means just fixing stuff really. Megatron Origins had some issues that needed retconning. Between issues one and two Megatron went from freaking out he took a life to straight up killing combatants in the arenas. MTMTE/Costa Ongoing showed flashbacks of Megatron before megatron origins who didnt believe in violence as an answer but things done to him started seeding anger in him. Things like Whirl beating him and trying to kill him in jail andTerminus telling him violence is necessary.

another thing retconned was Milne putting female cybertronians around in Megatron Origins when there shouldnt have been thanks to Alex Milne just drawing background characters for no good reason. LL retconned that some cybertronains came home and changed their gender by choice. thats a retcon.

Barber has been retconning problems since he started writing Transformers. They brought him on movie comics and all he did was write stories to fix the movies. Did a damn good job too.

John has also been retconning the IDW-verse since he started RID. The problem with two different reflector groups, Prowls constant personality changes, some of the real wonky stuff from the -ation era.

Its small stuff that later comics decided to fix problems fans pointed out and the current writers wanted to change.

Theres a lot of stuff thats also been retconned not due to error but by choice to make a story. Things like Project Regenesis, Headmasters, the Prime lineage, Prowl, Combiners, the infiltration protocols, etc.

Ah so it was Barber that tried to fix the movies, shame that bay and the writing team never read them.

ZeroWolf wrote:Ah so it was Barber that tried to fix the movies, shame that bay and the writing team never read them.

he did it after Dark of the Moon but before Age of Extcintion. that was when he came on as Editor and writer to RID.

he fixed so much stuff that was in the scripts that went into the comics that were omitted and cut form the final cut of the films.

things like Barricades constant disappearances and a big one like the Fallen being in a sarcophagus in every fiction but the movie. for that he explained that Thundercracker took one of the Spacebridge pilers from the ark and brought it to the nemesis and it broke the Fallen out of his prison. Chris Mowry and Furman who wrote all the comics for the first two movies and their sequels said they were so confused when the saw Revenge of the Fallen because a lot of the stuff in the script that was important and put in the comics wasnt in the movie.

Stuff like that!

he literally took all the errors and continuity problems and fixed it all. just a shame no one read the movie comics. the comics are actually good and went off the final scripts, its the awful editing michael Bay was doing at the zero hour of the movies that caused some stuff.

Hopefully whoever takes over the movies can do a better job with them