Small Transformers 4 Update from Michael Bay

Bubbah wrote:Ya know, I like the Bay movies, for what they are... Transformer action flicks made by an idiot.

What I really like about the film are the quirky and rich characters.

redoutlander wrote:Well considering the rumors that Season 3 of prime might be the last season with the current characters and the new "Beast Hunters" brand I'd say it looks like a full force Beast wars revivial. I'm not all to sure what to expect. I do have a few younger friends (20s) who love that franchise.

Sodan-1 wrote:Coming from this guy that could mean anything, but it also probably means that I still won't like it.

Bubbah wrote:Ya know, I like the Bay movies, for what they are... Transformer action flicks made by an idiot.

Is he an idiot though? I can't stand the guy and I completely agree with what you said about how highly he seems to rate himself. I really don't like the live-action Transformers movies, and as I've gotten older and become more versed in the ways of the world, I've gone back and watched some other Michael Bay movies that I used to really enjoy and I've realised just how shallow they are. Bad Boys, Bad Boys 2, Armageddon, Pearl Harbour. (OK, so I always knew Pearl Harbour was bad, but I know have a new appreciation of just how bad.) But you have to admit the guy knows how to make movies that appeal to the masses, and he does so with a scary efficiency. I've started to wonder who I should have the bigger problem with: Bay for (in my opinion) mocking a franchise I love to bits, or the popcorn munching masses that have provided the demand that he supplies.

Why do you want to do it? I was under the impression that you were done after "Transformers 3"?
I thought I was done. Then the ride came out [at Universal Studios Hollywood] and the two-and-a-half-hour lines. And then you're thinking, Oh my God, someone's going to take this over. And you start doing a lot of soul-searching. Like, OK, I'm about to do a little movie, "Pain & Gain" ... and the studio says they want to restart the franchise. And someone could come in here and screw it up, you know? So I'm thinking that if I do this last one, we set it on a new footing, we change a lot of things -- but we keep the history of the three in place. But we broaden it so it can be set up and be carried on -- it would have a better chance for survival, I guess. You know?

Right.
So it was just one of those things. It's like, when you look what's going on in the film business with the franchise frenzy right now, why is Cameron doing two more "Avatar" movies? Why is Peter Jackson doing three more "Hobbit" movies that are in the same world as "Lord of the Rings"? When you have a franchise, it's very hard to give it up.

Well, looking at how "Transformers: Dark of the Moon" did at the box office, it's obvious that people like these movies. So I can see your hesitation to give it up.
Well, no, you've got to do different things in life. But it doesn't matter. This is probably the last one.

So with the plot of "Transformers 4," it's not like the other three movies didn't happen? It's not a reboot?
No. We're basically taking from the history of where it was -- or where we left it in Chicago. And we're going to carry it on from there.

I spoke to Peter Cullen at Comic Con earlier this year. He said he doesn't know if he's going to be back as the voice of Optimus Prime or not. He'll be back, right?
Of course! Of course.

Before the first "Transformers," you got some heat for the whole "flames on Optimus" thing.
Yeah, I know.

But if you got rid of Peter Cullen, people would be extremely upset.
Listen, when I heard his voice, it gave me chills.

redoutlander wrote:Oh I didn't know about season 4. all i heard is that Hasbro wants to change to a new cast of characters and that Beast Hunters would be next. Ether way I'll watch it and will probalby get most of the main figs.

Bubbah wrote:As for who to have the problem with, the general public doesn't realize what he's doing to the franchise, hell they think it's all based off a cartoon from the 80's. I would absolutely blame him for the mocking, not the people who go see it, because frankly they don't know better, which is sad.

Mr. Bay, I apologize, you're not an idiot ... You're a giant douche.

And someone could come in here and screw it up, you know?

optimuscarlos wrote:

And someone could come in here and screw it up, you know?

Yeah!!, Because He did it all right.!!!
How much can someone else screw it up?

Evil_the_Nub wrote:

Bubbah wrote:As for who to have the problem with, the general public doesn't realize what he's doing to the franchise, hell they think it's all based off a cartoon from the 80's. I would absolutely blame him for the mocking, not the people who go see it, because frankly they don't know better, which is sad.

Mr. Bay, I apologize, you're not an idiot ... You're a giant douche.

What exactly is he doing that's a problem? Making Transformers more popular than it's ever been? In what twisted universe is that a bad thing?

Megatron Wolf wrote:what i took out of this is prime is going to continue to be a shelf warmer, bay is a greedy little kid, everything to do with these movies is made as they go with no planing at all about the future, & the franchise is still screwed.

Evil_the_Nub wrote:

Bubbah wrote:As for who to have the problem with, the general public doesn't realize what he's doing to the franchise, hell they think it's all based off a cartoon from the 80's. I would absolutely blame him for the mocking, not the people who go see it, because frankly they don't know better, which is sad.

Mr. Bay, I apologize, you're not an idiot ... You're a giant douche.

What exactly is he doing that's a problem? Making Transformers more popular than it's ever been? In what twisted universe is that a bad thing?

Apparently you havent realized yet that 9 times out of 10 going mainstream either kills or slowly kills franchises & genres. More people on board isnt always a good thing. Before the movies was there ever a time where people complained about overpricing, low quality, not being able to find something or having to deal with scalpers every time something comes out? No and why is that, because it wasnt mainstream and only fans and people who stumbled upon it knew about it. It wasnt until the movies that the franchise was thrown into disarray & hasbros greed was flamed to new heights. The franchise as a whole was way better off before bay got his grubby little hands on it and the mainstream morons were mad aware of our beloved franchise. Now if Transformes were to go through cycles like Star Wars & the various comic book properties do then it would be golden but forcing it to stay mainstream is slowly killing it. Like ive been saying Transformers needs a break and needs to take a year or two off and then be started up again from scratch. Thats the only way this franchise is going to be put back on track, either that or fire every one whos involved with it right now. Either way something needs to be done anew.

T-Macksimus wrote:Well, what I get out of this is that there are a lot of a**holes in the fan community that think they know what's going on and think they are any less of a douchebag than Bay is and are totally f'ing wrong.
Seriously, some of you guys are complete dicks, you read way more into one clip than anyone has any right or ability to be able to do and you should be ashamed of yourselves because people like you are the reason that the rest of society thinks that TF fans are bigger pricks than Trek and Star Wars fans COMBINED! The sad part is, they're right.

MINDVVIPE wrote:

T-Macksimus wrote:Well, what I get out of this is that there are a lot of a**holes in the fan community that think they know what's going on and think they are any less of a douchebag than Bay is and are totally f'ing wrong.
Seriously, some of you guys are complete dicks, you read way more into one clip than anyone has any right or ability to be able to do and you should be ashamed of yourselves because people like you are the reason that the rest of society thinks that TF fans are bigger pricks than Trek and Star Wars fans COMBINED! The sad part is, they're right.

Yet, you're the first person to attack the fans (and fellow posters) rather than just state your own view on the subject at hand.... Now who's the prick?

Take your hurt feeling elsewhere.

Evil_the_Nub wrote:

MINDVVIPE wrote:

T-Macksimus wrote:Well, what I get out of this is that there are a lot of a**holes in the fan community that think they know what's going on and think they are any less of a douchebag than Bay is and are totally f'ing wrong.
Seriously, some of you guys are complete dicks, you read way more into one clip than anyone has any right or ability to be able to do and you should be ashamed of yourselves because people like you are the reason that the rest of society thinks that TF fans are bigger pricks than Trek and Star Wars fans COMBINED! The sad part is, they're right.

Yet, you're the first person to attack the fans (and fellow posters) rather than just state your own view on the subject at hand.... Now who's the prick?

Take your hurt feeling elsewhere.

He's got a point though. Some people in this fandom get their panties in a wad over the most trivial stuff and start running off at the keyboard without any thought or reason behind it.

Seriously, death threats because Optimus has flames says it all.

reluctantyouth wrote::michaelbay: Bay will make a lot of dough regardless. Being compared to the likes of Jackson and Cameron in the interview is a complete joke...could you boost the guys ego anymore than it already has been? When it comes to all fandoms there are pricks in every set...bashing each other solves nothing. I have as much respect for the Trekers and Star Wars fans as the TF fans. If Bay wants to do this movie right...then the inevitable has to happen...kill Bumblebee in the opening sequence! Bring in Hot Shot or add some beasts to the bunch and bring in Cheetor. We need a young new hothead in the group with a lot to learn that is not just comic relief. Optimus needs to age a bit...not falling apart like Jetfire but enough to show he has battle scars. Bring in the rest of the seekers and have a new leader emerge among them. Give the Autobots some damn air support...I want to see Sky Linx. There are so many things that can be done. As far as the leader goes...well I'd hate to see Galvatron...but Bay doesn't have much of an imagination.


I'd like to see Galvatron, but only if he is done right.
Also would love to see the following:

Dinobots
Insecticons
Headmasters
Trypticon or Metroplex or Omega Supreme

reluctantyouth wrote::michaelbay: Bay will make a lot of dough regardless. Being compared to the likes of Jackson and Cameron in the interview is a complete joke...could you boost the guys ego anymore than it already has been? When it comes to all fandoms there are pricks in every set...bashing each other solves nothing. I have as much respect for the Trekers and Star Wars fans as the TF fans. If Bay wants to do this movie right...then the inevitable has to happen...kill Bumblebee in the opening sequence! Bring in Hot Shot or add some beasts to the bunch and bring in Cheetor. We need a young new hothead in the group with a lot to learn that is not just comic relief. Optimus needs to age a bit...not falling apart like Jetfire but enough to show he has battle scars. Bring in the rest of the seekers and have a new leader emerge among them. Give the Autobots some damn air support...I want to see Sky Linx. There are so many things that can be done. As far as the leader goes...well I'd hate to see Galvatron...but Bay doesn't have much of an imagination.


Also would love to see the following:

Dinobots
Insecticons
Headmasters
Trypticon or Metroplex or Omega Supreme

Evil_the_Nub wrote:The only problems with the franchise now are due to the global economic situation and Hasbro's mind boggling incompetence. You can't find a Vehicon? Then ask Hasbro why they put an awesome figure that also happens to be an army builder 1 per case. The deluxe figures are getting smaller and more expensive? So is everything else.

MINDVVIPE wrote:

reluctantyouth wrote::michaelbay: Bay will make a lot of dough regardless. Being compared to the likes of Jackson and Cameron in the interview is a complete joke...could you boost the guys ego anymore than it already has been? When it comes to all fandoms there are pricks in every set...bashing each other solves nothing. I have as much respect for the Trekers and Star Wars fans as the TF fans. If Bay wants to do this movie right...then the inevitable has to happen...kill Bumblebee in the opening sequence! Bring in Hot Shot or add some beasts to the bunch and bring in Cheetor. We need a young new hothead in the group with a lot to learn that is not just comic relief. Optimus needs to age a bit...not falling apart like Jetfire but enough to show he has battle scars. Bring in the rest of the seekers and have a new leader emerge among them. Give the Autobots some damn air support...I want to see Sky Linx. There are so many things that can be done. As far as the leader goes...well I'd hate to see Galvatron...but Bay doesn't have much of an imagination.


I'd like to see Galvatron, but only if he is done right.
Also would love to see the following:

Dinobots
Insecticons
Headmasters
Trypticon or Metroplex or Omega Supreme

MINDVVIPE wrote:As someone mentioned, they need a Transformers CGI movie that spawned from the story writers from HIGH MOON, and maybe the author of the books, as I've heard good things about them.

BATTOUSAI XD wrote:I'm glad to see Peter Cullen is returning. I do hope they tone down Prime's eagerness for violence a little bit though. I'm fine with him being a warrior and all but I'd rather ripping heads and appendages off be a last resort and not hear him say "Give me your face," "We'll kill them all," and "You die!" So, basically how he was in the first movie.

I don't know why they haven't just said it is a sequel all along. It's obviously not a reboot and if it picks up from Chicago, then it doesn't seem to be a reinvention or whatever else has been suggested. Anyway I'm all for another movie(s), though I doubt any will be better than the first for me, it got me back interested in Transformers and into collecting in general. And I'm ready to hear some info on the premise and villians of TF 4!

BATTOUSAI XD wrote:I'm glad to see Peter Cullen is returning. I do hope they tone down Prime's eagerness for violence a little bit though. I'm fine with him being a warrior and all but I'd rather ripping heads and appendages off be a last resort and not hear him say "Give me your face," "We'll kill them all," and "You die!" So, basically how he was in the first movie.

SKYWARPED_128 wrote:I'd rather not see him get thrown around like a bitch, like in the first movie. He should hold his own and fight fiercely, but with a visible reluctance. Like any hero, he should reflect on the death of his enemy and wish it didn't have to come to this, which the first movie got right, except it shouldn't have been fricking Sam who offed Megs.

Evil_the_Nub wrote:

SKYWARPED_128 wrote:I'd rather not see him get thrown around like a bitch, like in the first movie. He should hold his own and fight fiercely, but with a visible reluctance. Like any hero, he should reflect on the death of his enemy and wish it didn't have to come to this, which the first movie got right, except it shouldn't have been fricking Sam who offed Megs.

The way the game ended was much better. First he beat Megatron and then...
Personally I prefer it when Optimus is kicking ass and taking faces. It makes the Decepticons seems so much more evil. Here's a guy who has shown immense compassion to the human race, treating them as equals and sacrificing himself to protect them. But when he reacts so violently toward the Decepticons it tells me he's seen the horrible things they're capable of and how dangerous they can be when left unchallenged. Kinda like what makes the Joker a great villain. He's able to bring out the worst in Batman.

Burn wrote:

Evil_the_Nub wrote:The only problems with the franchise now are due to the global economic situation and Hasbro's mind boggling incompetence. You can't find a Vehicon? Then ask Hasbro why they put an awesome figure that also happens to be an army builder 1 per case. The deluxe figures are getting smaller and more expensive? So is everything else.

The other thing you need to factor in too is change in buying habits.

A lot of people are moving their shopping online. Shopping for your kid? Do it from home, you don't have to go running from store to store to find a particular toy, or worse, have to drag the kids along and let them see what they're getting.

People seem to forget all this and just scream "BAY IS TEH EVIL!". Get over it people and look at the bigger picture.

Evil_the_Nub wrote:

SKYWARPED_128 wrote:I'd rather not see him get thrown around like a bitch, like in the first movie. He should hold his own and fight fiercely, but with a visible reluctance. Like any hero, he should reflect on the death of his enemy and wish it didn't have to come to this, which the first movie got right, except it shouldn't have been fricking Sam who offed Megs.

The way the game ended was much better. First he beat Megatron and then...
Personally I prefer it when Optimus is kicking ass and taking faces. It makes the Decepticons seems so much more evil. Here's a guy who has shown immense compassion to the human race, treating them as equals and sacrificing himself to protect them. But when he reacts so violently toward the Decepticons it tells me he's seen the horrible things they're capable of and how dangerous they can be when left unchallenged. Kinda like what makes the Joker a great villain. He's able to bring out the worst in Batman.