Series of Posters for NETFLIX Transformers WFC Earthrise Cartoon
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The official Transformers Facebook page has released a series of posters for the upcoming Netflix Earthrise series.
Some spotlight the different factions, such as the Decepticon, Autobots and Mercenaries.
The Transformers War For Cybertron: Earthrise cartoon series will premiere on Netflix December 30.
In the meantime, let us know what you hope to see and if you are excited!
Some spotlight the different factions, such as the Decepticon, Autobots and Mercenaries.
The Transformers War For Cybertron: Earthrise cartoon series will premiere on Netflix December 30.
In the meantime, let us know what you hope to see and if you are excited!
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Re: Series of Posters for NETFLIX Transformers WFC Earthrise Cartoon (2090303)
Posted by Sabrblade on December 19th, 2020 @ 8:53am CST
Posted by Sabrblade on December 19th, 2020 @ 8:53am CST
All that red-orange on Cybertron in the first two posters makes it look like it's about to explode.
Re: Series of Posters for NETFLIX Transformers WFC Earthrise Cartoon (2090306)
Posted by blackeyedprime on December 19th, 2020 @ 9:28am CST
Posted by blackeyedprime on December 19th, 2020 @ 9:28am CST
Euwwww on the merc symbols on double dealer -going to be interesting to see how they likely screw up his power masters along with Zarak for Scorponok.
Nice to see the three leaders side by sid...erm swipe, odd choice for a poster.
Nice to see the three leaders side by sid...erm swipe, odd choice for a poster.
Re: Series of Posters for NETFLIX Transformers WFC Earthrise Cartoon (2090371)
Posted by Deadput on December 20th, 2020 @ 4:25pm CST
Screw up his power masters?
Those guys aren't even in his actual toy and are a Selects exclusive, why would they be in the show? Why does including a gimmick for him and Scorp matter?
Posted by Deadput on December 20th, 2020 @ 4:25pm CST
blackeyedprime wrote:Euwwww on the merc symbols on double dealer -going to be interesting to see how they likely screw up his power masters along with Zarak for Scorponok.
Nice to see the three leaders side by sid...erm swipe, odd choice for a poster.
Screw up his power masters?
Those guys aren't even in his actual toy and are a Selects exclusive, why would they be in the show? Why does including a gimmick for him and Scorp matter?
Re: Series of Posters for NETFLIX Transformers WFC Earthrise Cartoon (2090376)
Posted by blackeyedprime on December 20th, 2020 @ 4:47pm CST
It's not a gimmick when it is the actual character/s
Posted by blackeyedprime on December 20th, 2020 @ 4:47pm CST
Deadput wrote:blackeyedprime wrote:Euwwww on the merc symbols on double dealer -going to be interesting to see how they likely screw up his power masters along with Zarak for Scorponok.
Nice to see the three leaders side by sid...erm swipe, odd choice for a poster.
Screw up his power masters?
Those guys aren't even in his actual toy and are a Selects exclusive, why would they be in the show? Why does including a gimmick for him and Scorp matter?
It's not a gimmick when it is the actual character/s
Re: Series of Posters for NETFLIX Transformers WFC Earthrise Cartoon (2090379)
Posted by Deadput on December 20th, 2020 @ 5:43pm CST
Zarak sure but Knok and Skar aren't even characters when their only source of personality is toy bios with otherwise no media appearances.
We have enough characters as is that struggle with screen time, there is no need to include the 2 who are for all purposes a couple of drones.
Posted by Deadput on December 20th, 2020 @ 5:43pm CST
blackeyedprime wrote:It's not a gimmick when it is the actual character/s
Zarak sure but Knok and Skar aren't even characters when their only source of personality is toy bios with otherwise no media appearances.
We have enough characters as is that struggle with screen time, there is no need to include the 2 who are for all purposes a couple of drones.
Re: Series of Posters for NETFLIX Transformers WFC Earthrise Cartoon (2090380)
Posted by ZeroWolf on December 20th, 2020 @ 5:53pm CST
Posted by ZeroWolf on December 20th, 2020 @ 5:53pm CST
To be fair, I can see them doing scorpy as one character, he just as the Headmasters cartoon handled it (assuming they even bother with giving him a character and not just have him as a transforming battleship)
Re: Series of Posters for NETFLIX Transformers WFC Earthrise Cartoon (2090778)
Posted by ScottyP on December 27th, 2020 @ 1:47pm CST
With much closer timing to its namesake toyline, the next part of the Transformers: War for Cybertron Trilogy known as "Chapter Two: Earthrise" is due for release on Netflix in only a few days' time. Picking up where "Chapter One: Siege" left off, Earthrise finds the heroic Autobots adrift in space in search of the Allspark which they themselves sent out there. For a little bit more, here's the official synopsis provided by Netflix:
How does this chapter stack up to the first, and to expectations in general? Read on to find out.
Siege II: Siege Harder
The initial episode ignores the cliffhanger at the end of "Siege" and returns the action to Cybertron. While this does result in the first of many questionable pacing choices, it helps set up the basis for the plot lines to follow effectively while continuing to build on the character of Megatron. It will also serve as a good reset of expectations for any viewers that expect a dramatic shift in tone, acting, or even the quality of production for "Earthrise", in that it really is a sequel to "Siege" and feels like it right from the beginning. Any problems a viewer had with respect to animation, voice acting, or the Tron: Legacy copycat score (my biggest sore point from Siege) will remain in Earthrise. Plan accordingly.
Based on early trailers and promotional images, many fans are looking forward to the new "faction" known as the Mercenaries, featuring some franchise standards like the conehead Seekers alongside new or sparsely used characters such as Exhaust and Doubledealer. They're only especially present within one episode, but they bring some fun and even humor to the mix and help break up the generally slow pace of the first 2/3 of the show. While not given especially deep characterization, they serve a purpose in the story and do so well.
Pictures taken moments before tragedy
The writing isn't a huge departure from Siege, but there are a few lines throughout that feel like they'd be more at home in a soap opera or low budget horror film. When these occur for the purpose of levity, such as Red Alert mentioning how he's "always... alert", that's ok and it ultimately provides some welcome personality. When it's in a serious moment and the show follows it up by having the characters within take it especially serious, then I just feel insulted. Some of the new characters introduced see their plot progress too quickly without earning it, while others still are some of the more egregious uses of "they're here to sell toys" that we've seen in a while. Characters appear who speak lots of words that end up not meaning anything which makes the experience more somniferous than stimulating.
That leads to the big offender with respect to the overall problems carried over from Siege into Earthrise: pacing. Just as the first four episodes of Siege felt like they dragged on, so do three of the first four of Earthrise. Saving almost all of the good stuff for the third act isn't very surprising, but the relative dullness of what comes before it was for me. Some viewers are likely to disagree with this sentiment, and there's definitely an argument to be made that Earthrise does much better at making sure to include action scenes on a regular basis. Unfortunately, when these are padded out with a nearly six minute long conversation between Optimus Prime and Megatron, that loses its luster.
Not lacking in pretty lights
The show looks very nice, and even downright incredible in some scenes, with the texture artists once again providing a visual treat for Transformers fans. More variation in the environments helps here too, with the backdrop of a galactic journey providing more opportunity for variation than the constant scenery of war-torn Cybertron. Sure, characters still move too much while talking, not enough of them transform, and the cost-saving recycling of CGI character models is completely frustrating at times, but within the framework put forth Polygon did an outstanding job. A particular one on one battle in episode five even added characterization through the action for someone familiar to Transformers fans but wholly obscure to casual viewers that only caught the live action movies, which was an impressive feat and part of the show that I really enjoyed.
If this review feels very negative, there's a very good reason for it - reviewers were not allowed to mention details about the final episode. This is a really bizarre thing as it's the strongest episode in the series to date and that's really about all I'm allowed to say about it until December 30th. You'll just have to take my word for it that the end of this show was very good and saved it from a much worse numerical score. The rest of it is quite boring. How boring? To be genuinely honest, I haven't had to actively struggle to pay attention to a Transformers show like this since Transformers: Energon. What was being laid down was clear and nothing went super far off the rails, but a good bit of Earthrise just did not land for me. Eventually it was worth it to have made it through, but I don't see myself coming back to this one anytime soon.
Seibertron.com was provided with complimentary advance screening access to Transformers Chapter Two: Earthrise by Netflix for the purpose of this review. "Thank you" to Netflix and Hasbro for this access!
Posted by ScottyP on December 27th, 2020 @ 1:47pm CST
Target: 2020
A Review of Transformers: War for Cybertron, "Chapter Two: Earthrise"
Spoiler Free-ish
Images in this review courtesy of Netflix
A Review of Transformers: War for Cybertron, "Chapter Two: Earthrise"
Spoiler Free-ish
Images in this review courtesy of Netflix
With much closer timing to its namesake toyline, the next part of the Transformers: War for Cybertron Trilogy known as "Chapter Two: Earthrise" is due for release on Netflix in only a few days' time. Picking up where "Chapter One: Siege" left off, Earthrise finds the heroic Autobots adrift in space in search of the Allspark which they themselves sent out there. For a little bit more, here's the official synopsis provided by Netflix:
The WAR FOR CYBERTRON continues with the second chapter, EARTHRISE! With the Allspark gone, Megatron is forced to confront the harsh reality that his Decepticons are trapped on a dying Cybertron while also fighting off the persistent threat of Elita-1 and her Autobots. Meanwhile, lost in the darkest reaches of space, Optimus Prime and his team embark on a desperate mission that will push them to the breaking point as they travel to uncharted new worlds to face spacefaring mercenaries, enigmatic figures from long ago and even their own creators…the Quintessons.
How does this chapter stack up to the first, and to expectations in general? Read on to find out.
Siege II: Siege Harder
The initial episode ignores the cliffhanger at the end of "Siege" and returns the action to Cybertron. While this does result in the first of many questionable pacing choices, it helps set up the basis for the plot lines to follow effectively while continuing to build on the character of Megatron. It will also serve as a good reset of expectations for any viewers that expect a dramatic shift in tone, acting, or even the quality of production for "Earthrise", in that it really is a sequel to "Siege" and feels like it right from the beginning. Any problems a viewer had with respect to animation, voice acting, or the Tron: Legacy copycat score (my biggest sore point from Siege) will remain in Earthrise. Plan accordingly.
Based on early trailers and promotional images, many fans are looking forward to the new "faction" known as the Mercenaries, featuring some franchise standards like the conehead Seekers alongside new or sparsely used characters such as Exhaust and Doubledealer. They're only especially present within one episode, but they bring some fun and even humor to the mix and help break up the generally slow pace of the first 2/3 of the show. While not given especially deep characterization, they serve a purpose in the story and do so well.
Pictures taken moments before tragedy
The writing isn't a huge departure from Siege, but there are a few lines throughout that feel like they'd be more at home in a soap opera or low budget horror film. When these occur for the purpose of levity, such as Red Alert mentioning how he's "always... alert", that's ok and it ultimately provides some welcome personality. When it's in a serious moment and the show follows it up by having the characters within take it especially serious, then I just feel insulted. Some of the new characters introduced see their plot progress too quickly without earning it, while others still are some of the more egregious uses of "they're here to sell toys" that we've seen in a while. Characters appear who speak lots of words that end up not meaning anything which makes the experience more somniferous than stimulating.
That leads to the big offender with respect to the overall problems carried over from Siege into Earthrise: pacing. Just as the first four episodes of Siege felt like they dragged on, so do three of the first four of Earthrise. Saving almost all of the good stuff for the third act isn't very surprising, but the relative dullness of what comes before it was for me. Some viewers are likely to disagree with this sentiment, and there's definitely an argument to be made that Earthrise does much better at making sure to include action scenes on a regular basis. Unfortunately, when these are padded out with a nearly six minute long conversation between Optimus Prime and Megatron, that loses its luster.
Not lacking in pretty lights
The show looks very nice, and even downright incredible in some scenes, with the texture artists once again providing a visual treat for Transformers fans. More variation in the environments helps here too, with the backdrop of a galactic journey providing more opportunity for variation than the constant scenery of war-torn Cybertron. Sure, characters still move too much while talking, not enough of them transform, and the cost-saving recycling of CGI character models is completely frustrating at times, but within the framework put forth Polygon did an outstanding job. A particular one on one battle in episode five even added characterization through the action for someone familiar to Transformers fans but wholly obscure to casual viewers that only caught the live action movies, which was an impressive feat and part of the show that I really enjoyed.
Verdict
All Earthrise for the honorable judge
All Earthrise for the honorable judge
If this review feels very negative, there's a very good reason for it - reviewers were not allowed to mention details about the final episode. This is a really bizarre thing as it's the strongest episode in the series to date and that's really about all I'm allowed to say about it until December 30th. You'll just have to take my word for it that the end of this show was very good and saved it from a much worse numerical score. The rest of it is quite boring. How boring? To be genuinely honest, I haven't had to actively struggle to pay attention to a Transformers show like this since Transformers: Energon. What was being laid down was clear and nothing went super far off the rails, but a good bit of Earthrise just did not land for me. Eventually it was worth it to have made it through, but I don't see myself coming back to this one anytime soon.
Final Score
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½
out of
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½ out of
Seibertron.com was provided with complimentary advance screening access to Transformers Chapter Two: Earthrise by Netflix for the purpose of this review. "Thank you" to Netflix and Hasbro for this access!
Re: Series of Posters for NETFLIX Transformers WFC Earthrise Cartoon (2090820)
Posted by Quantum Surge on December 28th, 2020 @ 9:14am CST
Posted by Quantum Surge on December 28th, 2020 @ 9:14am CST
Funny how this popped up as I was just about done with my review on Earthrise Runamuck and Runabout. I mentioned that if Earthrise sucks then I'd be at least binge-watching Beavis & Butt-Head given how fans associate those two with the animated duo...if it's easy to find it on a good streaming service, that is. But something that I'm starting to realize is that given how Kingdom's next, I fear that the Beast Wars characters would sound like or be written like these WFC characters. I wouldn't want to imagine Cheetor or Rattrap sounding like Bumblebee or Mirage in this show.
Re: Series of Posters for NETFLIX Transformers WFC Earthrise Cartoon (2090825)
Posted by morganprime on December 28th, 2020 @ 11:58am CST
Posted by morganprime on December 28th, 2020 @ 11:58am CST
The designs too look like toys is a huge mistake IMO it has always been the other way around. It just looks like a super serious Toy Story movie with the budget and engineering limitations in the toy design translated to the screen is very visually off putting. WFC, Siege and ER have been some of my favorite TF releases of all time but I can pass on these toons easily.
Re: Series of Posters for NETFLIX Transformers WFC Earthrise Cartoon (2090829)
Posted by o.supreme on December 28th, 2020 @ 1:02pm CST
Posted by o.supreme on December 28th, 2020 @ 1:02pm CST
I'm still looking forward to it. While I wont be waking up early before work this time. I'll enjoy binging on Wednesday evening. I was reading a review on another website and something has me a bit concerned.
The reviewer states "Scorponok! Not classic toon size…" (I take this as he is not a giant City Bot, although I could be wrong). This would defeat the whole purpose of being a Titan Class toy in the ER line, and would go against all other portrayals of his Classic personna in Animation (I know the comics are different), but while this is a whole new continuity, I think most viewers tend to skew it closer to the original animated series than any comic book continuity. A non-city bot Scorponok would definitely be disappointing.
The reviewer states "Scorponok! Not classic toon size…" (I take this as he is not a giant City Bot, although I could be wrong). This would defeat the whole purpose of being a Titan Class toy in the ER line, and would go against all other portrayals of his Classic personna in Animation (I know the comics are different), but while this is a whole new continuity, I think most viewers tend to skew it closer to the original animated series than any comic book continuity. A non-city bot Scorponok would definitely be disappointing.
Re: Series of Posters for NETFLIX Transformers WFC Earthrise Cartoon (2090830)
Posted by Sabrblade on December 28th, 2020 @ 1:08pm CST
Posted by Sabrblade on December 28th, 2020 @ 1:08pm CST
Maybe he could still be big but not city-sized big. Like, Combiner-sized big.o.supreme wrote:I'm still looking forward to it. While I wont be waking up early before work this time. I'll enjoy binging on Wednesday evening. I was reading a review on another website and something has me a bit concerned.
The reviewer states "Scorponok! Not classic toon size…" (I take this as he is not a giant City Bot, although I could be wrong). This would defeat the whole purpose of being a Titan Class toy in the ER line, and would go against all other portrayals of his Classic personna in Animation (I know the comics are different), but while this is a whole new continuity, I think most viewers tend to skew it closer to the original animated series than any comic book continuity. A non-city bot Scorponok would definitely be disappointing.
Re: Series of Posters for NETFLIX Transformers WFC Earthrise Cartoon (2090832)
Posted by o.supreme on December 28th, 2020 @ 1:16pm CST
To me, That would still not really make sense. I mean when you look at the amazing artwork on his Titan Sized toy box, and how they portrayed Omega Supreme in Siege...Scorp should be about the same size. The only size/scale anomaly I noticed in Siege was Astrotrain (taking notes from Cyberverse for who knows why). Especially if FJ DeSanto is the fan of Headmasters Anime he claims to be, I would think Scorponok is one character he would not mess up. Of course all this worry will be dismissed, and I apologize in advance if it is revealed that he in fact accurate to the size he should be.
Posted by o.supreme on December 28th, 2020 @ 1:16pm CST
Maybe he could still be big but not city-sized big. Like, Combiner-sized big.[/quote]Sabrblade wrote:
To me, That would still not really make sense. I mean when you look at the amazing artwork on his Titan Sized toy box, and how they portrayed Omega Supreme in Siege...Scorp should be about the same size. The only size/scale anomaly I noticed in Siege was Astrotrain (taking notes from Cyberverse for who knows why). Especially if FJ DeSanto is the fan of Headmasters Anime he claims to be, I would think Scorponok is one character he would not mess up. Of course all this worry will be dismissed, and I apologize in advance if it is revealed that he in fact accurate to the size he should be.
Re: Series of Posters for NETFLIX Transformers WFC Earthrise Cartoon (2090833)
Posted by ScottyP on December 28th, 2020 @ 1:16pm CST
Posted by ScottyP on December 28th, 2020 @ 1:16pm CST
Mild spoiler but I'll tag it anyway: it's more or less toy scale used when Scorponok's in bot mode. He may be a little smaller than toy scale in scorpion mode, there's a scene I'm thinking of involving Optimus where I feel like OP's toy would be too small if recreated. Particulars aside, he's very big but not huge/city-bot sized. For what they do with him, it really doesn't matter, tbh.Sabrblade wrote:Maybe he could still be big but not city-sized big. Like, Combiner-sized big.o.supreme wrote:I'm still looking forward to it. While I wont be waking up early before work this time. I'll enjoy binging on Wednesday evening. I was reading a review on another website and something has me a bit concerned.
The reviewer states "Scorponok! Not classic toon size…" (I take this as he is not a giant City Bot, although I could be wrong). This would defeat the whole purpose of being a Titan Class toy in the ER line, and would go against all other portrayals of his Classic personna in Animation (I know the comics are different), but while this is a whole new continuity, I think most viewers tend to skew it closer to the original animated series than any comic book continuity. A non-city bot Scorponok would definitely be disappointing.
Re: Series of Posters for NETFLIX Transformers WFC Earthrise Cartoon (2090834)
Posted by Rodimus Prime on December 28th, 2020 @ 1:19pm CST
As for the new installment, I was really hoping the creators would listen to the criticisms on Siege and make adjustments to ER accordingly. But I guess they think they know what they're doing. I'll still watch ER, just for the sake of following the story, but as it's been advised, I'll have very low expectations.
As for a 6-minute convo between Prime and Megatron being a downer, I wouldn't consider it that as long as their interaction gives exposition and furthers the story along in an interesting way.
Posted by Rodimus Prime on December 28th, 2020 @ 1:19pm CST
I understand why you would say that. Most fans prefer the version you also do, but I am partial to the other version, since that one was a big part of my favorite TF continuity. So I'm looking forward to seeing my favorite version in animated form.o.supreme wrote:I'm still looking forward to it. While I wont be waking up early before work this time. I'll enjoy binging on Wednesday evening. I was reading a review on another website and something has me a bit concerned.
The reviewer states "Scorponok! Not classic toon size…" (I take this as he is not a giant City Bot, although I could be wrong). This would defeat the whole purpose of being a Titan Class toy in the ER line, and would go against all other portrayals of his Classic personna in Animation (I know the comics are different), but while this is a whole new continuity, I think most viewers tend to skew it closer to the original animated series than any comic book continuity. A non-city bot Scorponok would definitely be disappointing.
As for the new installment, I was really hoping the creators would listen to the criticisms on Siege and make adjustments to ER accordingly. But I guess they think they know what they're doing. I'll still watch ER, just for the sake of following the story, but as it's been advised, I'll have very low expectations.
As for a 6-minute convo between Prime and Megatron being a downer, I wouldn't consider it that as long as their interaction gives exposition and furthers the story along in an interesting way.
Re: Series of Posters for NETFLIX Transformers WFC Earthrise Cartoon (2090837)
Posted by ScottyP on December 28th, 2020 @ 1:27pm CST
Posted by ScottyP on December 28th, 2020 @ 1:27pm CST
It does further the story, ymmv on it being interesting. My biggest issue with it is that it could have been done four times faster and gotten the same job done.Rodimus Prime wrote:As for a 6-minute convo between Prime and Megatron being a downer, I wouldn't consider it that as long as their interaction gives exposition and furthers the story along in an interesting way.
Re: Series of Posters for NETFLIX Transformers WFC Earthrise Cartoon (2090838)
Posted by o.supreme on December 28th, 2020 @ 1:28pm CST
Posted by o.supreme on December 28th, 2020 @ 1:28pm CST
Thank you RP To be fair though...I'm not sure which version is preferred overall. It seems like fans of Animation vs Comics are pretty split. I'm just voicing my concerns based on the tone created for this series thus far. If from the outset this series was heavily inspired by Marvel Comics or IDW, while it wouldn't exactly be my cup-of-tea, I would fully expect Scorponok to be the slightly-taller-than average bot consistent with how he was shown in those comics, and not have a city mode.
Also, thanks Scotty for your clarification, much appreciated.
Also, thanks Scotty for your clarification, much appreciated.
Re: Series of Posters for NETFLIX Transformers WFC Earthrise Cartoon (2090841)
Posted by o.supreme on December 28th, 2020 @ 1:47pm CST
Posted by o.supreme on December 28th, 2020 @ 1:47pm CST
Without getting spoilery, how well do you who previewed it early think the ER toyline was represented? I mean obviously from the outset, they are not 100% beholden to what toys are in what series (BB and Elita was planned as Mainline and became Netflix exclusives, then you have Selects like Bugbite showing up, you also have at least ONE Kingdom Character showing up in ER etc...)
For Sige, I thought the line was represented well. While no Battlemasters or Micromasters appeared (aside from a couple cassette minions of Soundwave & Soundblaster). Pretty much everyone from the Mainline appeared except: Sixgun, Brunt, Crosshairs, Springer, & Apeface.
However due to budgetary constraints, I know only a fraction of the characters from Siege will be appearing in ER, but still, it feels like a LOT of ER characters are going to be left out, unless the previews we've seen have done a really good job of holding back.
For Sige, I thought the line was represented well. While no Battlemasters or Micromasters appeared (aside from a couple cassette minions of Soundwave & Soundblaster). Pretty much everyone from the Mainline appeared except: Sixgun, Brunt, Crosshairs, Springer, & Apeface.
However due to budgetary constraints, I know only a fraction of the characters from Siege will be appearing in ER, but still, it feels like a LOT of ER characters are going to be left out, unless the previews we've seen have done a really good job of holding back.
Re: Series of Posters for NETFLIX Transformers WFC Earthrise Cartoon (2090856)
Posted by Seibertron on December 28th, 2020 @ 9:17pm CST
He's still big. Combiner-sized big is a good comparison. When Optimus Prime was attacking Scorponok in scorpion mode, it seemed very much in scale with the physical Earthrise toys to me. I'm fairly certain he was comparable in size to Omega Supreme, but Mirage's hologram of Omega Supreme that attacked Scorponok might be throwing me off on that.
Posted by Seibertron on December 28th, 2020 @ 9:17pm CST
Sabrblade wrote:Maybe he could still be big but not city-sized big. Like, Combiner-sized big.o.supreme wrote:I'm still looking forward to it. While I wont be waking up early before work this time. I'll enjoy binging on Wednesday evening. I was reading a review on another website and something has me a bit concerned.
The reviewer states "Scorponok! Not classic toon size…" (I take this as he is not a giant City Bot, although I could be wrong). This would defeat the whole purpose of being a Titan Class toy in the ER line, and would go against all other portrayals of his Classic personna in Animation (I know the comics are different), but while this is a whole new continuity, I think most viewers tend to skew it closer to the original animated series than any comic book continuity. A non-city bot Scorponok would definitely be disappointing.
He's still big. Combiner-sized big is a good comparison. When Optimus Prime was attacking Scorponok in scorpion mode, it seemed very much in scale with the physical Earthrise toys to me. I'm fairly certain he was comparable in size to Omega Supreme, but Mirage's hologram of Omega Supreme that attacked Scorponok might be throwing me off on that.
Re: Series of Posters for NETFLIX Transformers WFC Earthrise Cartoon (2090857)
Posted by Seibertron on December 28th, 2020 @ 9:21pm CST
I'd really like to see Leader Class versions of Scorponok and Fortress Maximus at some point in the future. They really need both versions! It'd be a great way to keep two main Transformers on shelves and give us a new way to have those characters in our collections.
Posted by Seibertron on December 28th, 2020 @ 9:21pm CST
Rodimus Prime wrote:I understand why you would say that. Most fans prefer the version you also do, but I am partial to the other version, since that one was a big part of my favorite TF continuity. So I'm looking forward to seeing my favorite version in animated form.
I'd really like to see Leader Class versions of Scorponok and Fortress Maximus at some point in the future. They really need both versions! It'd be a great way to keep two main Transformers on shelves and give us a new way to have those characters in our collections.
Re: Series of Posters for NETFLIX Transformers WFC Earthrise Cartoon (2090859)
Posted by Quantum Surge on December 28th, 2020 @ 9:42pm CST
Posted by Quantum Surge on December 28th, 2020 @ 9:42pm CST
While the size of Scorpy would be one understandable complaint, I'd be more concerned if Earthrise actually improves on Siege or not given how I hated Siege.
Re: Series of Posters for NETFLIX Transformers WFC Earthrise Cartoon (2090860)
Posted by Razorbeast88 on December 28th, 2020 @ 9:44pm CST
Posted by Razorbeast88 on December 28th, 2020 @ 9:44pm CST
I wouldnt mind some of the city bots as leader class or commander class
Re: Series of Posters for NETFLIX Transformers WFC Earthrise Cartoon (2090867)
Posted by Rodimus Prime on December 28th, 2020 @ 11:50pm CST
Posted by Rodimus Prime on December 28th, 2020 @ 11:50pm CST
In the comics both of them were about a head taller than Powermaster Prime IIRC, so maybe Commander Class might be more suitable, if we're going for accurate scale. Good thing is in the comics they didn't have a city mode, so their alt modes and transformations don't have to be compromised. I wonder, would we get a smaller version of TR Maximus or the original '87 version?Seibertron wrote:Rodimus Prime wrote:I understand why you would say that. Most fans prefer the version you also do, but I am partial to the other version, since that one was a big part of my favorite TF continuity. So I'm looking forward to seeing my favorite version in animated form.
I'd really like to see Leader Class versions of Scorponok and Fortress Maximus at some point in the future. They really need both versions! It'd be a great way to keep two main Transformers on shelves and give us a new way to have those characters in our collections.
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Posted by Seibertron on December 28th, 2020 @ 11:53pm CST
For a "head taller", I'd be fine with Leader Class. Commander Class would be too big. I just want to see them at the standard Leader Class size along the lines of Double Dealer or Overlord. No need to be that specific with scale. Head-to-head with Super Ginrai / Powermaster Optimus Prime is fine with me.
Though, after looking at some of the old school Marvel Comics, I'm not sure that Fortress Maximus and Scorponok were taller than Powermaster Optimus Prime. You might have mis-remembered this, as it seems in one example below, it's the other way around. In the others, Scorponok is shown as the same height as Optimus. Either way, I wouldn't take this scale that serious. Just a Leader Class toy comparable in size to Powermaster Optimus Prime would be sufficient.
Posted by Seibertron on December 28th, 2020 @ 11:53pm CST
Rodimus Prime wrote:In the comics both of them were about a head taller than Powermaster Prime IIRC, so maybe Commander Class might be more suitable, if we're going for accurate scale. Good thing is in the comics they didn't have a city mode, so their alt modes and transformations don't have to be compromised. I wonder, would we get a smaller version of TR Maximus or the original '87 version?
For a "head taller", I'd be fine with Leader Class. Commander Class would be too big. I just want to see them at the standard Leader Class size along the lines of Double Dealer or Overlord. No need to be that specific with scale. Head-to-head with Super Ginrai / Powermaster Optimus Prime is fine with me.
Though, after looking at some of the old school Marvel Comics, I'm not sure that Fortress Maximus and Scorponok were taller than Powermaster Optimus Prime. You might have mis-remembered this, as it seems in one example below, it's the other way around. In the others, Scorponok is shown as the same height as Optimus. Either way, I wouldn't take this scale that serious. Just a Leader Class toy comparable in size to Powermaster Optimus Prime would be sufficient.
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Posted by william-james88 on December 29th, 2020 @ 1:17am CST
I agree. Leader would be fun for Scorponok and Fort Max. And instead of making them toy accurate, their designs would take cues from the comics (G1 comics for Scoponok and IDW Comics for Fort Max).
Posted by william-james88 on December 29th, 2020 @ 1:17am CST
Seibertron wrote:Rodimus Prime wrote:In the comics both of them were about a head taller than Powermaster Prime IIRC, so maybe Commander Class might be more suitable, if we're going for accurate scale. Good thing is in the comics they didn't have a city mode, so their alt modes and transformations don't have to be compromised. I wonder, would we get a smaller version of TR Maximus or the original '87 version?
For a "head taller", I'd be fine with Leader Class. Commander Class would be too big. I just want to see them at the standard Leader Class size along the lines of Double Dealer or Overlord. No need to be that specific with scale. Head-to-head with Super Ginrai / Powermaster Optimus Prime is fine with me.
I agree. Leader would be fun for Scorponok and Fort Max. And instead of making them toy accurate, their designs would take cues from the comics (G1 comics for Scoponok and IDW Comics for Fort Max).
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Posted by Rodimus Prime on December 29th, 2020 @ 1:49am CST
Posted by Rodimus Prime on December 29th, 2020 @ 1:49am CST
Yeah I guess I did get it wrong, it's been a while since I read the comics. I just remembered them being bigger than most other bots. Willy-J, as for Maximus, I would like to see the original version. IDW Max looks good, but if we only get 1, it should be the OG.
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Posted by Seibertron on December 29th, 2020 @ 1:52am CST
Yah, I'd want to see the same style on both. Either a hybrid look or a G1 miniature look. I'd also be good with a simplified Titan Class bodies as Leader Class. Only requirement I have is that they look like Fortress Maximus and Scorponok and that they retain Spike and Lord Zarak headmasters with Titans Return compatibility.
Posted by Seibertron on December 29th, 2020 @ 1:52am CST
Rodimus Prime wrote:Yeah I guess I did get it wrong, it's been a while since I read the comics. I just remembered them being bigger than most other bots. Willy-J, as for Maximus, I would like to see the original version. IDW Max looks good, but if we only get 1, it should be the OG.
Yah, I'd want to see the same style on both. Either a hybrid look or a G1 miniature look. I'd also be good with a simplified Titan Class bodies as Leader Class. Only requirement I have is that they look like Fortress Maximus and Scorponok and that they retain Spike and Lord Zarak headmasters with Titans Return compatibility.
Re: Series of Posters for NETFLIX Transformers WFC Earthrise Cartoon (2090874)
Posted by william-james88 on December 29th, 2020 @ 2:01am CST
Posted by william-james88 on December 29th, 2020 @ 2:01am CST
Netflix sent us a whole slew of stills from the first two episodes of Transformers War for Cybertron Trilogy Earthrise. You can click here to be sent to the full gallery or on any image below. We also have a review of the series.
The gallery features screen captures from the first two episodes of Earthrise. Some of the primary characters featured in the stills are newcomers Mercenary Doubledealer, a Quintesson named Deeseeus, and previous Siege characters Optimus Prime, Megatron, Elita-1, Jetfire and others.
The series comes out tomorrow, December 30th, 2020. Be sure to let us know what you think on our forums.
The gallery features screen captures from the first two episodes of Earthrise. Some of the primary characters featured in the stills are newcomers Mercenary Doubledealer, a Quintesson named Deeseeus, and previous Siege characters Optimus Prime, Megatron, Elita-1, Jetfire and others.
The series comes out tomorrow, December 30th, 2020. Be sure to let us know what you think on our forums.
Re: Series of Posters for NETFLIX Transformers WFC Earthrise Cartoon (2090882)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on December 29th, 2020 @ 8:59am CST
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on December 29th, 2020 @ 8:59am CST
All I gotta say is: they better not have wasted my boy Doubledealer. He might be the only reason I end up watching this
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Posted by Seibertron on December 29th, 2020 @ 10:51am CST
Posted by Seibertron on December 29th, 2020 @ 10:51am CST
Apparently the Quintesson's name is spelled "Deeseeus", according to the credits. I was expecting it to be spelled "Decius" or "Deecius" or something different.
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Posted by Deadput on December 29th, 2020 @ 12:13pm CST
Since this is the latest post on the subject I just want to chime in and say I don't get this opinion, especially as a criticism of Siege.
For years there were criticisms about toys not looking like their cartoon counterparts, now it's "they look too much like toys".
Literally the only problem that exists on the show models is any 5-mm holes or other gaps which I get could be a bit distracting but honestly if just a few of those were filled up no one would be complaining.
Like take Shockwave's shoulder holes for instance here, if these weren't known as 5 mm holes on the toy people would think it just be detailing if noticed at all.
My opinion on TF shows is that the main toyline should be designed first with the show models taking image after them with a couple changes to streamline them such as filling up gaps/holes and articulating the hands/faces.
Posted by Deadput on December 29th, 2020 @ 12:13pm CST
morganprime wrote:The designs too look like toys is a huge mistake IMO it has always been the other way around. It just looks like a super serious Toy Story movie with the budget and engineering limitations in the toy design translated to the screen is very visually off putting. WFC, Siege and ER have been some of my favorite TF releases of all time but I can pass on these toons easily.
Since this is the latest post on the subject I just want to chime in and say I don't get this opinion, especially as a criticism of Siege.
For years there were criticisms about toys not looking like their cartoon counterparts, now it's "they look too much like toys".
Literally the only problem that exists on the show models is any 5-mm holes or other gaps which I get could be a bit distracting but honestly if just a few of those were filled up no one would be complaining.
Like take Shockwave's shoulder holes for instance here, if these weren't known as 5 mm holes on the toy people would think it just be detailing if noticed at all.
My opinion on TF shows is that the main toyline should be designed first with the show models taking image after them with a couple changes to streamline them such as filling up gaps/holes and articulating the hands/faces.
Re: Series of Posters for NETFLIX Transformers WFC Earthrise Cartoon (2090925)
Posted by Seibertron on December 29th, 2020 @ 12:36pm CST
Posted by Seibertron on December 29th, 2020 @ 12:36pm CST
I agree with Deadput. The fact that the toys have translated so well on screen speaks volumes about the quality of toys that we're getting these days. My biggest complaints about the WFC cartoon characters is the lack of "eye" emotion, exaggerated lips on some (in particular Megatron and Bumblebee), Megatron's eyes being too close together, Bumblebee's head design, and that the face shields don't move when characters like Optimus Prime talk.
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Posted by Quantum Surge on December 29th, 2020 @ 12:39pm CST
Posted by Quantum Surge on December 29th, 2020 @ 12:39pm CST
I never really had an issue with characters not looking like the toys or toys not looking like the characters. What matters is the execution. While not as bad as Energon and Cybertron, WFC Netflix could have really benefitted from making sleeker models rather than copying-pasting the CAD files. Especially considering this was the same studio that did TFP, which kind of hurts that a TV show made 10 years ago looks better than the one we have today (even if you set aside budget differences and episode counts)
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Posted by Deadput on December 29th, 2020 @ 2:38pm CST
You can't just "set aside" the budget, you can only create something as good as budget allows.
Siege is a webseries not a proper tv show it's not even fair to compare the show to Prime. (although Prime at the same time was a show so restricted and brought down by it's budget that Earth looks lifeless and deserted the majority of the time, call me crazy but I think the environments shown in this series looks at least a tad more interesting even if it takes place in a Warzone that should be devoid of life.)
In my opinion besides some execution on the frame rate I think this show actually looks better then Rid-2015 and the Cyberverse cartoon, and I don't mean this as in the "designs" look better or anything, I'm talking about the lighting amongst other effects, with the smaller episode count the show looks pretty good in still images for example.
Posted by Deadput on December 29th, 2020 @ 2:38pm CST
Quantum Surge wrote:I never really had an issue with characters not looking like the toys or toys not looking like the characters. What matters is the execution. While not as bad as Energon and Cybertron, WFC Netflix could have really benefitted from making sleeker models rather than copying-pasting the CAD files. Especially considering this was the same studio that did TFP, which kind of hurts that a TV show made 10 years ago looks better than the one we have today (even if you set aside budget differences and episode counts)
You can't just "set aside" the budget, you can only create something as good as budget allows.
Siege is a webseries not a proper tv show it's not even fair to compare the show to Prime. (although Prime at the same time was a show so restricted and brought down by it's budget that Earth looks lifeless and deserted the majority of the time, call me crazy but I think the environments shown in this series looks at least a tad more interesting even if it takes place in a Warzone that should be devoid of life.)
In my opinion besides some execution on the frame rate I think this show actually looks better then Rid-2015 and the Cyberverse cartoon, and I don't mean this as in the "designs" look better or anything, I'm talking about the lighting amongst other effects, with the smaller episode count the show looks pretty good in still images for example.
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Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on December 29th, 2020 @ 2:55pm CST
I want to pull this specifically out because of another Netflix original series that has aired and is airing a new season around the same time as the TFs: Jurassic World Camp Cretaceous.
Similar platform as a Netflix original show. Similar setup with seasons of 8 x 22 minute episodes. I would estimate a similar budget, considering both have running toylines with collector and kid oriented materials, and both have a sort of equal footing on live action films and games. difference is, this is the FIRST Jurassic park related TV series ever.
And that show was fantastic! Animation was ace. the characters were for the most part interesting, well designed, and the voice acting was great. Plot was good and the story rode out pretty dang well and made for a great story with lots of good stuff for a 2nd season. And it did this as a standalone while also being a great piece set within the actual events of the film universe.
And it did all of this while both being a "for all ages" series and also having some intense and pretty dark moments to it despite not advertising itself as such. People got eaten in the show. They even showed a kid falling to his "death". They showed a dino blown up and burned/scarred up close and with the painful animal noises that would accompany that.
Camp Cretaceous marketed itself differently than WFC did, but it essentially sort of fit the same bill and was DRASTICALLY better than it. It really says something when we are at the point where I would say, in the approximately last decade of TF TV show fiction, Cyberverse season 3 was the best on-screen fiction and the FIRST EVER Jurassic Park-associated TV show did a far better job in every area than the "adult-oriented huge tv show event" TF WFC show did.
To me, it's like Jurassic Park looked at what things like The Mandalorian were doing right and very well and used that rough sketch to make their own great content, while in TFs we looked at Prime Wars and decided to try it again with a larger visual production budget.
To me, it's obvious something about TFs is wrong when The Mandalorian, Camp Cretaceous, and even the Harley Quinn series are far better and significantly more enjoyable.
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on December 29th, 2020 @ 2:55pm CST
Deadput wrote:Siege is a webseries not a proper tv show it's not even fair to compare the show
I want to pull this specifically out because of another Netflix original series that has aired and is airing a new season around the same time as the TFs: Jurassic World Camp Cretaceous.
Similar platform as a Netflix original show. Similar setup with seasons of 8 x 22 minute episodes. I would estimate a similar budget, considering both have running toylines with collector and kid oriented materials, and both have a sort of equal footing on live action films and games. difference is, this is the FIRST Jurassic park related TV series ever.
And that show was fantastic! Animation was ace. the characters were for the most part interesting, well designed, and the voice acting was great. Plot was good and the story rode out pretty dang well and made for a great story with lots of good stuff for a 2nd season. And it did this as a standalone while also being a great piece set within the actual events of the film universe.
And it did all of this while both being a "for all ages" series and also having some intense and pretty dark moments to it despite not advertising itself as such. People got eaten in the show. They even showed a kid falling to his "death". They showed a dino blown up and burned/scarred up close and with the painful animal noises that would accompany that.
Camp Cretaceous marketed itself differently than WFC did, but it essentially sort of fit the same bill and was DRASTICALLY better than it. It really says something when we are at the point where I would say, in the approximately last decade of TF TV show fiction, Cyberverse season 3 was the best on-screen fiction and the FIRST EVER Jurassic Park-associated TV show did a far better job in every area than the "adult-oriented huge tv show event" TF WFC show did.
To me, it's like Jurassic Park looked at what things like The Mandalorian were doing right and very well and used that rough sketch to make their own great content, while in TFs we looked at Prime Wars and decided to try it again with a larger visual production budget.
To me, it's obvious something about TFs is wrong when The Mandalorian, Camp Cretaceous, and even the Harley Quinn series are far better and significantly more enjoyable.
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Posted by o.supreme on December 29th, 2020 @ 3:40pm CST
Posted by o.supreme on December 29th, 2020 @ 3:40pm CST
As with all things, that is also a matter of opinion. I found the Camp Cretaceous series to be quite "dumb" in the area of writing, as it seemed to try to play down the intelligence of it's target audience which was obviously children, despite the apparent danger they were often put in. I'm not saying it was totaly awful, but it was closer to the Kong Animated series, also on Netflix for me (which also is not great), in terms of sheer entertainment value then anything else. I mean I know I am not in the majority, but I found Siege far more entertaining than RiD15 or Cyberverse. I have no desire to revisit either of those series, but I have watched Siege a few times (in both English & Japanese), and will occasionally watch again.
I will say CC had better voice direction than Transformers, but that can be said of most animated series. I've heard 2 overall ideas about Siege which seem to ring true. 1. Most of the voice actors seem to be doing their best "Batman" impersonation, and 2. The script was written like a middle-school term paper, double-spaced just to meet the page-length requirement, thus the reason why the dialogue is so slow in its delivery.
Also, I want to preface this with saying Rotten Tomatoes is not the end-all-be-all for authority on whether something is good or not but... currently Siege has a 95% rating while CC has a 75%.
I've spoken often how it seems to be nearly a decade between Transformers series that are really good. The Budget for Prime was insanely expensive, think Clone Wars, (also animated by Polygon). It shares a place along side BW to be the only other TF show to win awards of any kind. Ultimately however, when you have something so great Hasbro thought it was "too expensive", so they pulled the plug on it, and it's been a downward spiral of budget releases ever since. Evidently they went with Boulder Media as it was less expensive to produce oversees, and you don't have to hire "Union" voice talent (which shows). And while The WFC show is not produced by Boulder Media, you can see that Hasbro is giving only a very minimal budget to work with. Thus non-union voice talent again, and, for what its worth, far better visuals than I expected, especially after the Prime Wars fiasco.
Thus far, the only actor to replace a BW character in fiction is Ron Perlman, and. I know fans would have 100% preferred Gary Chalk, but as stand-ins go it could have been far, far worse. I really do like BW, despite being in College when it was on. However I can't wait to see the adult fanbase who's First TF series was BW lose their minds when they see non-union actors portraying their beloved characters in Kingdom. It is going to be interesting.
I will say CC had better voice direction than Transformers, but that can be said of most animated series. I've heard 2 overall ideas about Siege which seem to ring true. 1. Most of the voice actors seem to be doing their best "Batman" impersonation, and 2. The script was written like a middle-school term paper, double-spaced just to meet the page-length requirement, thus the reason why the dialogue is so slow in its delivery.
Also, I want to preface this with saying Rotten Tomatoes is not the end-all-be-all for authority on whether something is good or not but... currently Siege has a 95% rating while CC has a 75%.
I've spoken often how it seems to be nearly a decade between Transformers series that are really good. The Budget for Prime was insanely expensive, think Clone Wars, (also animated by Polygon). It shares a place along side BW to be the only other TF show to win awards of any kind. Ultimately however, when you have something so great Hasbro thought it was "too expensive", so they pulled the plug on it, and it's been a downward spiral of budget releases ever since. Evidently they went with Boulder Media as it was less expensive to produce oversees, and you don't have to hire "Union" voice talent (which shows). And while The WFC show is not produced by Boulder Media, you can see that Hasbro is giving only a very minimal budget to work with. Thus non-union voice talent again, and, for what its worth, far better visuals than I expected, especially after the Prime Wars fiasco.
Thus far, the only actor to replace a BW character in fiction is Ron Perlman, and. I know fans would have 100% preferred Gary Chalk, but as stand-ins go it could have been far, far worse. I really do like BW, despite being in College when it was on. However I can't wait to see the adult fanbase who's First TF series was BW lose their minds when they see non-union actors portraying their beloved characters in Kingdom. It is going to be interesting.
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Posted by Deadput on December 29th, 2020 @ 4:13pm CST
Hey
Pst
Just because their both Netflix doesn't mean they had the same budget or resources.
I don't even think Siege is great or anything, I'm just being fair to the show with the limits it has.
You mean simply the adult-oriented netflix show since that's all Siege was ever marketed to be, there was nothing huge about it in the first place, if anything made it "big" that would be self afflicted fan hype which usually does nothing but make shows worse for people due to ridiculous expectations.
And Mando has the gigantic Disney budget and care put into it way more then a children's toy marketing show, which is all Transformers mostly is, good fiction in the franchise has always been the exception.
Because as it is pretty much no one in an executive position considers Transformers to be some amazing franchise IP, rightfully so since it hasn't had any noteworthy milestones since the first few movies and maybe TFP's reception early on in the show before it died out.
Anyways no insult to the Jurassic Park show since I haven't watched it but those character designs are pretty damn uncanny (mostly the eyes), but even looking at a trailer for the show the animation only looks ok, not great or anything.
I watched some of Harley Quinn and it was enjoyable but I dropped it since the humor wasn't for me and started to grate on me. (I also despise the direction Harley Quinn as a character overall has been pushed towards meta-wise compared to her inception, much like most super-hero comic book characters they were at their best earlier on then otherwise.)
Posted by Deadput on December 29th, 2020 @ 4:13pm CST
D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Deadput wrote:Siege is a webseries not a proper tv show it's not even fair to compare the show
I want to pull this specifically out because of another Netflix original series that has aired and is airing a new season around the same time as the TFs: Jurassic World Camp Cretaceous.
Similar platform as a Netflix original show. Similar setup with seasons of 8 x 22 minute episodes. I would estimate a similar budget, considering both have running toylines with collector and kid oriented materials, and both have a sort of equal footing on live action films and games. difference is, this is the FIRST Jurassic park related TV series ever.
Hey
Pst
Just because their both Netflix doesn't mean they had the same budget or resources.
I don't even think Siege is great or anything, I'm just being fair to the show with the limits it has.
D-Maximal_Primal wrote: the "adult-oriented huge tv show event" TF WFC show did.
You mean simply the adult-oriented netflix show since that's all Siege was ever marketed to be, there was nothing huge about it in the first place, if anything made it "big" that would be self afflicted fan hype which usually does nothing but make shows worse for people due to ridiculous expectations.
D-Maximal_Primal wrote:To me, it's obvious something about TFs is wrong when The Mandalorian, Camp Cretaceous, and even the Harley Quinn series are far better and significantly more enjoyable.
And Mando has the gigantic Disney budget and care put into it way more then a children's toy marketing show, which is all Transformers mostly is, good fiction in the franchise has always been the exception.
Because as it is pretty much no one in an executive position considers Transformers to be some amazing franchise IP, rightfully so since it hasn't had any noteworthy milestones since the first few movies and maybe TFP's reception early on in the show before it died out.
Anyways no insult to the Jurassic Park show since I haven't watched it but those character designs are pretty damn uncanny (mostly the eyes), but even looking at a trailer for the show the animation only looks ok, not great or anything.
I watched some of Harley Quinn and it was enjoyable but I dropped it since the humor wasn't for me and started to grate on me. (I also despise the direction Harley Quinn as a character overall has been pushed towards meta-wise compared to her inception, much like most super-hero comic book characters they were at their best earlier on then otherwise.)
Re: Series of Posters for NETFLIX Transformers WFC Earthrise Cartoon (2090957)
Posted by notsoalex on December 29th, 2020 @ 7:10pm CST
deeseeus nuts
Posted by notsoalex on December 29th, 2020 @ 7:10pm CST
Seibertron wrote:Apparently the Quintesson's name is spelled "Deeseeus", according to the credits. I was expecting it to be spelled "Decius" or "Deecius" or something different.
deeseeus nuts
Re: Series of Posters for NETFLIX Transformers WFC Earthrise Cartoon (2090958)
Posted by Razorbeast88 on December 29th, 2020 @ 7:14pm CST
Posted by Razorbeast88 on December 29th, 2020 @ 7:14pm CST
Lmao
Re: Series of Posters for NETFLIX Transformers WFC Earthrise Cartoon (2090959)
Posted by Quantum Surge on December 29th, 2020 @ 7:16pm CST
Posted by Quantum Surge on December 29th, 2020 @ 7:16pm CST
Notsoalex did the pun before me...darn that Notsoalex
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Posted by The_Cryptid_Person on December 30th, 2020 @ 5:46am CST
Posted by The_Cryptid_Person on December 30th, 2020 @ 5:46am CST
Just finished watching the show, here are my thoughts I guess...
As mentioned in the review, all the lines are still... so... painfully... slow. Not to mention how similar many of the voices sounded (especially Scorponok, who was either oddly generic or nigh-unintelligible during crucial exposition). The Quintesson faces laughing felt exceedingly half-hearted and stretched out, too. This team desperately needs a new voice director, or at least a new voice direction.
There were also some serious continuity/technical errors caused, IMO, by the painfully low budget for character models - Scorponok, who apparently isn't even a cybertronian, has a
? 
I think the animators just dropped the toy CAD model, pulled its tail out a bit, applied the included stickers as textures and called it a day. 
Also, Megatron had his full battle damage and in all the flashbacks, though his symbol's a bit more justified since the factions predate the war in this continuity.
Obviously there's the heavy reuse of character models, as seen in the trailer, and many new characters seemed to have poorer quality faces (looking at you, Doubledealer!) or textures (hi Galvatron! All I could think when he showed up was how much BETTER the 2d-animation from 30+ years ago looked than the effects used for him. If his presence wasn't spoiled by the trailers the relatively poor visuals would have been completely overshadowed by his surprising presence and unusually nimoy-sounding voice.) than the returning ones. I think only one new character was shown in more than one mode, and Elita, Wheeljack, and Bee still don't transform to hide their non-siege shame.
That all said, I did enjoy seeing the plot twists, cameos (such as they are), easter eggs, and occasionally baffling character reinterpretations. I'd rewatch this sooner than Siege, for sure. The WFC toy designs were a visual feast for me, and the show certainly made me rethink skipping Doubledealer for a few seconds. It certainly showed off the products it chose to place.
Although... Scorponok was criminally underutilized aside from being a set piece, and the more important characters seemed to literally forget he existed during their more important interactions. The baffling pacing and line deliveries robbed his "origin story" of almost all the thematic weight it should have carried, IMO, and there was NO EXPLANATION for the majority of his actions. The start of Episode 5 suffered from the same problems.
If Dinobot had transformed at the end, even if he was a wierd/lower-poly 'bot like Galvatron, that would have made Kingdom SO much more hype-worthy. Yes, I know every BW character will sound like Batman on Xanax. I resigned myself to it months ago.
Huge thanks to anyone who read all this - let me know if you disagree with my sleep-deprived hot takes
As mentioned in the review, all the lines are still... so... painfully... slow. Not to mention how similar many of the voices sounded (especially Scorponok, who was either oddly generic or nigh-unintelligible during crucial exposition). The Quintesson faces laughing felt exceedingly half-hearted and stretched out, too. This team desperately needs a new voice director, or at least a new voice direction.
There were also some serious continuity/technical errors caused, IMO, by the painfully low budget for character models - Scorponok, who apparently isn't even a cybertronian, has a
? I think the animators just dropped the toy CAD model, pulled its tail out a bit, applied the included stickers as textures and called it a day. Also, Megatron had his full battle damage and in all the flashbacks, though his symbol's a bit more justified since the factions predate the war in this continuity.Obviously there's the heavy reuse of character models, as seen in the trailer, and many new characters seemed to have poorer quality faces (looking at you, Doubledealer!) or textures (hi Galvatron! All I could think when he showed up was how much BETTER the 2d-animation from 30+ years ago looked than the effects used for him. If his presence wasn't spoiled by the trailers the relatively poor visuals would have been completely overshadowed by his surprising presence and unusually nimoy-sounding voice.) than the returning ones. I think only one new character was shown in more than one mode, and Elita, Wheeljack, and Bee still don't transform to hide their non-siege shame.
That all said, I did enjoy seeing the plot twists, cameos (such as they are), easter eggs, and occasionally baffling character reinterpretations. I'd rewatch this sooner than Siege, for sure. The WFC toy designs were a visual feast for me, and the show certainly made me rethink skipping Doubledealer for a few seconds. It certainly showed off the products it chose to place.
Although... Scorponok was criminally underutilized aside from being a set piece, and the more important characters seemed to literally forget he existed during their more important interactions. The baffling pacing and line deliveries robbed his "origin story" of almost all the thematic weight it should have carried, IMO, and there was NO EXPLANATION for the majority of his actions. The start of Episode 5 suffered from the same problems.
If Dinobot had transformed at the end, even if he was a wierd/lower-poly 'bot like Galvatron, that would have made Kingdom SO much more hype-worthy. Yes, I know every BW character will sound like Batman on Xanax. I resigned myself to it months ago.
Huge thanks to anyone who read all this - let me know if you disagree with my sleep-deprived hot takes
Re: Series of Posters for NETFLIX Transformers WFC Earthrise Cartoon (2090998)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on December 30th, 2020 @ 8:12am CST
I am aware of the opinion, but I am also speaking for the Jurassic Park fanbase, which in the past 18 months I've become deeper in. when I saw Camp Cretaceous was very pleasing to that fanbase and casuals, I speak as both a casual Jurassic Park fan and as someone who is involved with that franchise and has friends who are in the hierarchy (so to speak) of that fandom, similar in positions to Seibertron of this site.
I don't take Rotten tomatoes seriously at all. I would guess that Megatron killing Magnus and the first 2 episodes of CC being more "day to day" than "main event" would easily account for that difference.
No one knows the budget, I was merely making that comparison since they both are in similar positions in fan base, toy lines, and filmography. They could be nearly the same, or maybe CC was given a higher budget, but I am saying that it can be a fairly educated guess that their budget is similar.
Considering it was "the transformers Netflix experience" finally bringing TFs to a big streaming service and was hyped for a year and a half during its production, I would hardly call this a "sleeper" release. It even made the main Netflix "coming soon" page for a month prior to its release. Let's be clear: this was meant to be a big deal to TF fans, the "main media" for consumption until they figure out what they're doing with the franchise.
Comparing to Mando might not be the best comparison because of budget, but considering Star Wars was in a bad place last year, with TLJ being hugely divisive, Solo bombing, and then ROS being a disappointment to pretty much everyone, Mando kinda had a hard spot because it was the thing that needed to pick that franchise up and give it a win.
TFs desperately need some fictional wins.
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on December 30th, 2020 @ 8:12am CST
o.supreme wrote:As with all things, that is also a matter of opinion.
Also, I want to preface this with saying Rotten Tomatoes is not the end-all-be-all for authority on whether something is good or not but... currently Siege has a 95% rating while CC has a 75%.
I am aware of the opinion, but I am also speaking for the Jurassic Park fanbase, which in the past 18 months I've become deeper in. when I saw Camp Cretaceous was very pleasing to that fanbase and casuals, I speak as both a casual Jurassic Park fan and as someone who is involved with that franchise and has friends who are in the hierarchy (so to speak) of that fandom, similar in positions to Seibertron of this site.
I don't take Rotten tomatoes seriously at all. I would guess that Megatron killing Magnus and the first 2 episodes of CC being more "day to day" than "main event" would easily account for that difference.
Deadput wrote:D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Deadput wrote:Siege is a webseries not a proper tv show it's not even fair to compare the show
I want to pull this specifically out because of another Netflix original series that has aired and is airing a new season around the same time as the TFs: Jurassic World Camp Cretaceous.
Similar platform as a Netflix original show. Similar setup with seasons of 8 x 22 minute episodes. I would estimate a similar budget, considering both have running toylines with collector and kid oriented materials, and both have a sort of equal footing on live action films and games. difference is, this is the FIRST Jurassic park related TV series ever.
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Just because their both Netflix doesn't mean they had the same budget or resources.
I don't even think Siege is great or anything, I'm just being fair to the show with the limits it has.
No one knows the budget, I was merely making that comparison since they both are in similar positions in fan base, toy lines, and filmography. They could be nearly the same, or maybe CC was given a higher budget, but I am saying that it can be a fairly educated guess that their budget is similar.
Deadput wrote:D-Maximal_Primal wrote: the "adult-oriented huge tv show event" TF WFC show did.
You mean simply the adult-oriented netflix show since that's all Siege was ever marketed to be, there was nothing huge about it in the first place, if anything made it "big" that would be self afflicted fan hype which usually does nothing but make shows worse for people due to ridiculous expectations.
Considering it was "the transformers Netflix experience" finally bringing TFs to a big streaming service and was hyped for a year and a half during its production, I would hardly call this a "sleeper" release. It even made the main Netflix "coming soon" page for a month prior to its release. Let's be clear: this was meant to be a big deal to TF fans, the "main media" for consumption until they figure out what they're doing with the franchise.
Deadput wrote:D-Maximal_Primal wrote:To me, it's obvious something about TFs is wrong when The Mandalorian, Camp Cretaceous, and even the Harley Quinn series are far better and significantly more enjoyable.
And Mando has the gigantic Disney budget and care put into it way more then a children's toy marketing show, which is all Transformers mostly is, good fiction in the franchise has always been the exception.
Because as it is pretty much no one in an executive position considers Transformers to be some amazing franchise IP, rightfully so since it hasn't had any noteworthy milestones since the first few movies and maybe TFP's reception early on in the show before it died out.
Anyways no insult to the Jurassic Park show since I haven't watched it but those character designs are pretty damn uncanny (mostly the eyes), but even looking at a trailer for the show the animation only looks ok, not great or anything.
I watched some of Harley Quinn and it was enjoyable but I dropped it since the humor wasn't for me and started to grate on me. (I also despise the direction Harley Quinn as a character overall has been pushed towards meta-wise compared to her inception, much like most super-hero comic book characters they were at their best earlier on then otherwise.)
Comparing to Mando might not be the best comparison because of budget, but considering Star Wars was in a bad place last year, with TLJ being hugely divisive, Solo bombing, and then ROS being a disappointment to pretty much everyone, Mando kinda had a hard spot because it was the thing that needed to pick that franchise up and give it a win.
TFs desperately need some fictional wins.
Re: Series of Posters for NETFLIX Transformers WFC Earthrise Cartoon (2091000)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on December 30th, 2020 @ 9:02am CST
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on December 30th, 2020 @ 9:02am CST
Well, I watched episode 6 (I listened to the podcast and got what I need from 1-5)
I can honestly say, disappointment is real. Not that I had any expectation whatsoever.
The final 15 seconds of the show were better than the entirety of Siege and the rest of Earthrise combined. It gave me some small slim hope of a better Kingdom
I can honestly say, disappointment is real. Not that I had any expectation whatsoever.
The final 15 seconds of the show were better than the entirety of Siege and the rest of Earthrise combined. It gave me some small slim hope of a better Kingdom
Re: Series of Posters for NETFLIX Transformers WFC Earthrise Cartoon (2091040)
Posted by Burn on December 30th, 2020 @ 5:02pm CST
Posted by Burn on December 30th, 2020 @ 5:02pm CST
Good grief ... shouldn't watch this show when you're getting tired, listening to Megatron will completely put you to sleep, only to be jarred awake by a screeching angry Optimus Prime.
Seriously ... angry Prime's voice just becomes someone else entirely.
Did Jetfire sound like Starscream in Siege? Because he sounded like Starscream this time round and it just didn't work.
The pacing was just terrible. From certain characters just monologuing until the cows come home and then things jumping to compensate for the monologuing it was just badly paced.
The constant re-use of character models was a little annoying. Yeah, I get it saves on the budget but it's just annoying.
So much potential, slight improvement over Siege but but in the end it's still a let down.
Seriously ... angry Prime's voice just becomes someone else entirely.
Did Jetfire sound like Starscream in Siege? Because he sounded like Starscream this time round and it just didn't work.
The pacing was just terrible. From certain characters just monologuing until the cows come home and then things jumping to compensate for the monologuing it was just badly paced.
The constant re-use of character models was a little annoying. Yeah, I get it saves on the budget but it's just annoying.
So much potential, slight improvement over Siege but but in the end it's still a let down.
Re: Series of Posters for NETFLIX Transformers WFC Earthrise Cartoon (2091047)
Posted by william-james88 on December 30th, 2020 @ 6:12pm CST
Posted by william-james88 on December 30th, 2020 @ 6:12pm CST
FYI, no need for spoiler tags, the show is out for all to see. This is a discussion thread, please discuss to your heart's content
Re: Series of Posters for NETFLIX Transformers WFC Earthrise Cartoon (2091048)
Posted by Quantum Surge on December 30th, 2020 @ 6:29pm CST
Posted by Quantum Surge on December 30th, 2020 @ 6:29pm CST
Well, I guess I can say it was neat to see Doubledealer in a TF cartoon for once if you discount Doubleclouder from Masterforce, and to his credit, he didn't seem as somewhat out of character as Impactor.
Re: Series of Posters for NETFLIX Transformers WFC Earthrise Cartoon (2091053)
Posted by Sabrblade on December 30th, 2020 @ 7:08pm CST
Posted by Sabrblade on December 30th, 2020 @ 7:08pm CST
Yep, same sinister voice.Burn wrote:Did Jetfire sound like Starscream in Siege? Because he sounded like Starscream this time round and it just didn't work.
Re: Series of Posters for NETFLIX Transformers WFC Earthrise Cartoon (2091058)
Posted by Sabrblade on December 30th, 2020 @ 7:40pm CST
Posted by Sabrblade on December 30th, 2020 @ 7:40pm CST
Where the first season felt like one decent-length movie needlessly stretched out to accommodate the runtime of six TV episodes, this season instead felt like one long full-length TV season needlessly chopped up and condensed down to just six episodes.
It felt so rushed and yet was somehow still a slog to sit through.
It felt so rushed and yet was somehow still a slog to sit through.
Re: Series of Posters for NETFLIX Transformers WFC Earthrise Cartoon (2091060)
Posted by william-james88 on December 30th, 2020 @ 8:01pm CST
Just to clarify, they are not the same voice actor though.
Posted by william-james88 on December 30th, 2020 @ 8:01pm CST
Sabrblade wrote:Yep, same sinister voice.Burn wrote:Did Jetfire sound like Starscream in Siege? Because he sounded like Starscream this time round and it just didn't work.
Just to clarify, they are not the same voice actor though.
Re: Series of Posters for NETFLIX Transformers WFC Earthrise Cartoon (2091061)
Posted by Sabrblade on December 30th, 2020 @ 8:04pm CST
Keith Silverstein voices Jetfire, Frank Todaro voices Starscream, and they each voice their respective characters in both Siege and Earthrise.
By "same sinister voice", I meant Jetfire's voice is the same in Earthrise as it was in Siege.
Posted by Sabrblade on December 30th, 2020 @ 8:04pm CST
Further clarification:william-james88 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Yep, same sinister voice.Burn wrote:Did Jetfire sound like Starscream in Siege? Because he sounded like Starscream this time round and it just didn't work.
Just to clarify, they are not the same voice actor though.
Keith Silverstein voices Jetfire, Frank Todaro voices Starscream, and they each voice their respective characters in both Siege and Earthrise.
By "same sinister voice", I meant Jetfire's voice is the same in Earthrise as it was in Siege.
Re: Series of Posters for NETFLIX Transformers WFC Earthrise Cartoon (2091063)
Posted by Burn on December 30th, 2020 @ 8:04pm CST
Makes sense, obviously Siege wasn't as noticeable. This new one just didn't work at all.
Posted by Burn on December 30th, 2020 @ 8:04pm CST
william-james88 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Yep, same sinister voice.Burn wrote:Did Jetfire sound like Starscream in Siege? Because he sounded like Starscream this time round and it just didn't work.
Just to clarify, they are not the same voice actor though.
Makes sense, obviously Siege wasn't as noticeable. This new one just didn't work at all.
