Seibertron's Roundtable Review for Transformers Rise of the Beasts
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Have you watched Rise of the Beasts yet? Well many of us at Seibertron have and here are our thoughts on the film. You'll notice that me and D-Maximus Primal have very different views on the film, offering two sides of the same coin. Please share yours as well and please note that these reviews are not spoiler free.
This film is ok. It's basically dollar bin Marvel with skybeams, an army of no name villains that come out of nowhere for the finale that takes place in a drab CG landscape. BUT this is still a step in the right direction for a Transformers film. It does a lot of things right like have a focus on the robots, have action scenes you can follow (mostly), no annoying human characters, minimal bathroom humour and lots of transformations. While this all sounds like basic asks for a Transformers film, you'd be hard pressed to find any film from the live action Transformers franchise have all of those requirements outside of Bumblebee. Not to say Bayverse elements are completely gone though.
As I wrote previously, the reboot/not a reboot discussion does not matter if elements from Bayverse are still found within this film. And Bayverse Optimus is here, big time. Not only is it the same face as the earlier Bay films (which looks worse than before in the more G1 style helmet) but his personality is exactly the same, very focused on violence in both his dialogue and his actions. It really surprised me how this film almost goes out of its way to be different from the earlier Bay films, getting a lot of elements right, but sticking the same Optimus at the core of it. So if people want this to be a different continuity, then sure, fine, you now have a new Bayverse continuity, nobody wins here.
The script also suffers from a lack of polish. This is more mcguffin centric then probably any previous Transformers movie to date (which is insane to type) and instead of giving us something clear, you get a really needlessly complicated artifact which turns the writing into utter nonsense. It's a key that hasn't been seen for one thousand years. But it's made by the Maximals who are the future of the autobots and developped this technology that Unicron needs to travel across the universe even though Unicron himself provides Scourge, his henchman, with technology to travel across the universe. It's just nonsense.
More gripes of mine include minimal time spent on Cheetor and Rhinox who have little to no lines in the film and are only seen in their robot modes for a grand total of 15 seconds (not an exageration, you are free to time it yourself), and never in a clear shot. For a film called Rise of the Beasts, you'd think the beasts would be the main selling point, instead of Optimus Prime just wanting to rip spines apart, but no.
So while the film finally has all the pieces there, and gets the idea of what a live action Transformers film should be like, the finished script just isn't compelling and the final action set piece has all the negatives both fans and critics are tired of with Marvel films. I will give it this though, Steven Caple Jr did an excellent job on the pacing. This film just zips right through but the scenes never feel disjointed within the quick pace either. It's very basic go from point A to point B stuff, but I think it's a good foundation for these films going forward, which is why I am still excited for what is to come in this franchise. I would rate this just slightly above average as a film. In terms of Transformers films, I don't think it's on the same level as Bumblebee. It's closer to the first Transformers film, and while that first Michael Bay film might be a better movie, I would say Rise of the Beasts is a better Transformers Movie, which actually matters to me more when all is said and done.
- William-James88
I thought the movie was really good. I enjoyed it a lot. I would probably rank it with DotM right now as my favorite TF movie.
The standout star of the movie absolutely was Mirage. I loved him, and he got a ton of screen time and lines, and he even had a nice character arc throughout the story while keeping it fun. I am so glad that we got him, and I really hope that sequels will use him as well as they did here.
Primal was my 2nd favorite of the movie. Ron Perlman really nailed him. You can tell he learned some stuff from PotP, and had much better direction here. His voice really added gravitas to all of what Primal did. I really liked him. Well done.
Scourge would be the 3rd guy that stood out to me in the movie. Peter Dinklage did a great job as his voice, and he certainly got some great money shots. The opening scene of him coming out of the woods to confront Apelinq was awesome, that was so cool! I also appreciate how it took Mirage, then Noah, then Prime, and finally lava to get to him. He was a cool villain for sure.
The rest of the cast was pretty good too. There really wasn't a bot that was bad. Maybe a few under-used, like Rhinox and Wheeljack, but they are still there for sequels, and pretty much everyone got a stand out character moment. I personally loved how they handled Wheeljack.
Plot of the movie was good, it was definitely breakneak speed, could have used maybe 10 extra minutes to slow some stuff down a smidge. But there really wasn't a lag in the movie at all.
I love how Prime just has bots around the world, so Wheeljack was already prepping for their arrival, and Stratosphere was an uber. Which, BTW, winning line from Mirage: I'm walking to peru!
I think it ended up being a good movie. It was certainly strong, and I would argue that AOE is the only movie that came close to the level of characterization of the cast. There was a strong bot cast, and some good humans, and some good moments as well.
I loved it, glad it's finally here, and I will gladly see it again.
- D-Maximal_Primal
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Re: Seibertron's Roundtable Review for Transformers Rise of the Beasts (2163128)
Posted by Emerje on June 9th, 2023 @ 11:23pm CDT
Ah, that. I'm pretty sure Wheeljack was joking anyway. He turns into a TV truck, the Transformers picked up languages from Earth broadcasts, there's no way he doesn't speak the language, they probably all speak the language.
I had a hunch it was a toy-only design because we never saw a truck like that on set like we did Bumblebee. I feel like this might have been one of those cutting room floor things from the past year. I really wonder how different the movie became during the year delay? Was Unicron always in it? Was the McGuffin different?
HasLab Unicron feels a little ambitious, and really as a movie line they can probably get by with doing it at retail. Personally I think if they do one he should match TLK Primus, maybe be about the same size as Armada Unicron.
But I think a Core class Noah is in order. Or maybe a Battle Master?
I laughed so hard when Noah did the 3-point Iron-Man pose (since he's basically Iron-Man in the last act) followed by Prime doing it right behind him like it was supposed to be some cool visual moment.
He does get an assist from Noah who takes out one of Scourge's knees from behind.
My thoughts on the movie weren't used in the article, but they're here (towards the top of the page) if anyone wants to read them.
Emerje
Posted by Emerje on June 9th, 2023 @ 11:23pm CDT
noctorro wrote:The wokeness was small, but I have pointy ears because of how Hollywood treats its consumers. There was as silly bit on racism and assuming. But it was harmless imho.
Ah, that. I'm pretty sure Wheeljack was joking anyway. He turns into a TV truck, the Transformers picked up languages from Earth broadcasts, there's no way he doesn't speak the language, they probably all speak the language.
noctorro wrote:Optimus didn't get an upgrade (like beefy tank truck toy we got in stores), so why can he defeat Scourge now? I like my movies with power level consistencies.
I had a hunch it was a toy-only design because we never saw a truck like that on set like we did Bumblebee. I feel like this might have been one of those cutting room floor things from the past year. I really wonder how different the movie became during the year delay? Was Unicron always in it? Was the McGuffin different?
D-Maximal_Primal wrote:PS: for SS, on top of what we have coming so far plus what is leaked to finish the main casts, we now need a corrupted Airazor, Apelinq, Stratosphere, All the Mirages mentioned above, Exo-suit Noah, maybe a battle damaged Scourge with his face revealed, Scorponoks, maybe some retooled Freezers (3 pack maybe?), Haslab Unicron, and I'd still like Transit even if he ended up a deleted scene.
HasLab Unicron feels a little ambitious, and really as a movie line they can probably get by with doing it at retail. Personally I think if they do one he should match TLK Primus, maybe be about the same size as Armada Unicron.
But I think a Core class Noah is in order. Or maybe a Battle Master?
william-james88 wrote:I thought of you while watching the film. Remember when you were asking why all reviewers post their figures in the same kneeling pose every damn time? Well it just so happens that 3 seperate characters do the exact same pose in this film. Noah, Prime and Bumblebee. This film went all out on the Ironman pose.
I laughed so hard when Noah did the 3-point Iron-Man pose (since he's basically Iron-Man in the last act) followed by Prime doing it right behind him like it was supposed to be some cool visual moment.
Nope, Prime does it all on his own, but he uses the environment to mess Scourge up, like Lava and the quickly rotating tower.
He does get an assist from Noah who takes out one of Scourge's knees from behind.
My thoughts on the movie weren't used in the article, but they're here (towards the top of the page) if anyone wants to read them.
Emerje
Re: Seibertron's Roundtable Review for Transformers Rise of the Beasts (2163130)
Posted by william-james88 on June 9th, 2023 @ 11:50pm CDT
I tried to see what I could use, but they seemed more like thoughts on very specific scenes and scenarios than soemthing I could use in a review. If you want to jot down a review of what you thought of the film in a more general , I could then edit the article and include it.
Posted by william-james88 on June 9th, 2023 @ 11:50pm CDT
Emerje wrote:My thoughts on the movie weren't used in the article, but they're here (towards the top of the page) if anyone wants to read them.
Emerje
I tried to see what I could use, but they seemed more like thoughts on very specific scenes and scenarios than soemthing I could use in a review. If you want to jot down a review of what you thought of the film in a more general , I could then edit the article and include it.
Re: Seibertron's Roundtable Review for Transformers Rise of the Beasts (2163155)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on June 10th, 2023 @ 7:21pm CDT
Posted by -Kanrabat- on June 10th, 2023 @ 7:21pm CDT
I just saw the movie and here's some bullet points impressions.
-- The "wokeness"
I get this out of the way first. The "woke" was only in the commentaries of the director in some of his interviews. THAT'S IT. In the movie itself, sure there's some social commentary, but it's based in reality. I'm also glad that in the movie itself, the human's problems were not based on race, but on CLASS. Let's face it, if India are on the nose with their caste system, it's pretty much the same all over the world, with more or less subtlety. Also, I was glad to see that the only time "racist" was mentioned in the movie was to mock the over-sensitive concept.
-- Easter Eggs
"Grampa Primal" at the beginning wear the mutant mask of the original Optimus Primal toy! That was a nice touch. Also, Mirage have shown that he could transform into the original F1 car if he wanted to. Nice!
-- The humans
Noah may be the best human main character in the Bay movies so far. His struggles are relatable, he's not annoying, and he's believable as a hero. The girl tho, she's just "meh". She's just the same old, same old "strong whamen" on auto-pilot. To be fair, she didn't have enough screen time to be fleshed-out but that was an acceptable sacrifice so that the bots could shine.
-- The
Mirage is a bro and Arcee is pretty cool. Wheeljack is almost a Skids/Mudflap but thankfully, his screen time is short. Breakaway, I just love those old senile veteran bots. And Optimus, it was a bit strange to see him so "immature", but he did "grew" so it was nice to see. As for Bee, I was surprised to see that he was "benched" in order to let the other bots shine. A good call.
-- The
Too bad we don't see much Cheetor and Rhinox, but at least Airaisor and Primal were important. Plus, I wondered why they only maximised for just a little while in the final battle. I supposed they follow the same rule as in the original Beast Wars. They can only be in bot mode for a short period of time before being "poisoned" by the Earth's Energon. That was not explained in the movie, but I have a strong impression that's the case.
-- The
The Terrorcons were cool, especially Scourge. They were menacing and those Freezer minions... Oooooffff.... You don't want to encounter them in a dark place!
-- The Joe reveal:
Will this announce a pure Joe movie, or a TF/Joe X-Over?
Overall, I really appreciated the movie and I think it's as good as the Bee movie at the very least. I'm looking forward the next!
-- The "wokeness"
I get this out of the way first. The "woke" was only in the commentaries of the director in some of his interviews. THAT'S IT. In the movie itself, sure there's some social commentary, but it's based in reality. I'm also glad that in the movie itself, the human's problems were not based on race, but on CLASS. Let's face it, if India are on the nose with their caste system, it's pretty much the same all over the world, with more or less subtlety. Also, I was glad to see that the only time "racist" was mentioned in the movie was to mock the over-sensitive concept.
-- Easter Eggs
"Grampa Primal" at the beginning wear the mutant mask of the original Optimus Primal toy! That was a nice touch. Also, Mirage have shown that he could transform into the original F1 car if he wanted to. Nice!
-- The humans
Noah may be the best human main character in the Bay movies so far. His struggles are relatable, he's not annoying, and he's believable as a hero. The girl tho, she's just "meh". She's just the same old, same old "strong whamen" on auto-pilot. To be fair, she didn't have enough screen time to be fleshed-out but that was an acceptable sacrifice so that the bots could shine.
-- The
Mirage is a bro and Arcee is pretty cool. Wheeljack is almost a Skids/Mudflap but thankfully, his screen time is short. Breakaway, I just love those old senile veteran bots. And Optimus, it was a bit strange to see him so "immature", but he did "grew" so it was nice to see. As for Bee, I was surprised to see that he was "benched" in order to let the other bots shine. A good call.
-- The
Too bad we don't see much Cheetor and Rhinox, but at least Airaisor and Primal were important. Plus, I wondered why they only maximised for just a little while in the final battle. I supposed they follow the same rule as in the original Beast Wars. They can only be in bot mode for a short period of time before being "poisoned" by the Earth's Energon. That was not explained in the movie, but I have a strong impression that's the case.
-- The
The Terrorcons were cool, especially Scourge. They were menacing and those Freezer minions... Oooooffff.... You don't want to encounter them in a dark place!
-- The Joe reveal:
Will this announce a pure Joe movie, or a TF/Joe X-Over?
Overall, I really appreciated the movie and I think it's as good as the Bee movie at the very least. I'm looking forward the next!
Re: Seibertron's Roundtable Review for Transformers Rise of the Beasts (2163173)
Posted by DISCHARGE on June 10th, 2023 @ 11:45pm CDT
Posted by DISCHARGE on June 10th, 2023 @ 11:45pm CDT
I wanna say here so I wouldn't ruin anything for anyone anywhere else.. I liked the movie. I saw the trailer for it
during the surpa bowl, maybe a commercial once or twice.
I stayed away from spoilers.
The tempo was weird but they tried to tell a story in 2 hours time.
My favorite scenes were Airazor's entrance (she was my favorite character next to Nightbird- they tried to give them some development)..
..and the split second shot of Mirage as his G1 version both car and bot modes. I saw that and saw what could have been..
Anywho.. not reading on spoilers I was surprised by the poster and patch at the theater.
during the surpa bowl, maybe a commercial once or twice.
I stayed away from spoilers.
The tempo was weird but they tried to tell a story in 2 hours time.
My favorite scenes were Airazor's entrance (she was my favorite character next to Nightbird- they tried to give them some development)..
..and the split second shot of Mirage as his G1 version both car and bot modes. I saw that and saw what could have been..
Anywho.. not reading on spoilers I was surprised by the poster and patch at the theater.
Re: Seibertron's Roundtable Review for Transformers Rise of the Beasts (2163180)
Posted by william-james88 on June 11th, 2023 @ 8:35am CDT
Posted by william-james88 on June 11th, 2023 @ 8:35am CDT
Now that I think of it, what was the point of off road Bee? His off road alt mode is a big part of the promotional campaign and toyline but the prominent shot we see in the trailer is the only shot we see in the movie. We never see him get that alt mode, he's just suddenly different in one shot.
Also, weird that they gave wheeljack ears for a split second just to have it in the trailer, but then he loses them instantly.
Also, weird that they gave wheeljack ears for a split second just to have it in the trailer, but then he loses them instantly.
Re: Seibertron's Roundtable Review for Transformers Rise of the Beasts (2163182)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on June 11th, 2023 @ 8:48am CDT
Easy.
Marketing.
People complained about Wheeljack's look so they threw them a little bone.
As for Bee, he was benched for half the movie but they didn't dare mention that in the promotions. As for "where" Bee got his off-road look, he must have chosen it out of convenience. There's a "new rule" in ROTB. Transformers can transform into whatever the fuk they want. They just have to think about it, as demonstrated by Mirage.
Now I'll wait for a voyager garbage truck Mirage and a leader class Breakaway.
Posted by -Kanrabat- on June 11th, 2023 @ 8:48am CDT
william-james88 wrote:Now that I think of it, what was the point of off road Bee? His off road alt mode is a big part of the promotional campaign and toyline but the prominent shot we see in the trailer is the only shot we see in the movie. We never see him get that alt mode, he's just suddenly different in one shot.
Also, weird that they gave wheeljack ears for a split second just to have it in the trailer, but then he loses them instantly.
Easy.
Marketing.
People complained about Wheeljack's look so they threw them a little bone.
As for Bee, he was benched for half the movie but they didn't dare mention that in the promotions. As for "where" Bee got his off-road look, he must have chosen it out of convenience. There's a "new rule" in ROTB. Transformers can transform into whatever the fuk they want. They just have to think about it, as demonstrated by Mirage.
Now I'll wait for a voyager garbage truck Mirage and a leader class Breakaway.
Re: Seibertron's Roundtable Review for Transformers Rise of the Beasts (2163185)
Posted by william-james88 on June 11th, 2023 @ 11:04am CDT
Mirage showed that he can use holograms and he's the only one which morphs into a bunch of different modes, so I think everything we saw with him were "illusions". He wasn't an actual garbage truck.
Posted by william-james88 on June 11th, 2023 @ 11:04am CDT
-Kanrabat- wrote:william-james88 wrote:Now that I think of it, what was the point of off road Bee? His off road alt mode is a big part of the promotional campaign and toyline but the prominent shot we see in the trailer is the only shot we see in the movie. We never see him get that alt mode, he's just suddenly different in one shot.
Also, weird that they gave wheeljack ears for a split second just to have it in the trailer, but then he loses them instantly.
Easy.
Marketing.
People complained about Wheeljack's look so they threw them a little bone.
As for Bee, he was benched for half the movie but they didn't dare mention that in the promotions. As for "where" Bee got his off-road look, he must have chosen it out of convenience. There's a "new rule" in ROTB. Transformers can transform into whatever the fuk they want. They just have to think about it, as demonstrated by Mirage.
Now I'll wait for a voyager garbage truck Mirage and a leader class Breakaway.
Mirage showed that he can use holograms and he's the only one which morphs into a bunch of different modes, so I think everything we saw with him were "illusions". He wasn't an actual garbage truck.
Re: Seibertron's Roundtable Review for Transformers Rise of the Beasts (2163186)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on June 11th, 2023 @ 11:08am CDT
Oh yeah, that's valid.
Still, the "off road" version is just a simple mod from Bee's regular Camaro so I think the Transformers can also do that.
That count also for Optimus and Scourge truck modes that are based in real live, but are modded to hell and back.
Posted by -Kanrabat- on June 11th, 2023 @ 11:08am CDT
william-james88 wrote:
Mirage showed that he can use holograms and he's the only one which morphs into a bunch of different modes, so I think everything we saw with him were "illusions". He wasn't an actual garbage truck.
Oh yeah, that's valid.
Still, the "off road" version is just a simple mod from Bee's regular Camaro so I think the Transformers can also do that.
That count also for Optimus and Scourge truck modes that are based in real live, but are modded to hell and back.
Re: Seibertron's Roundtable Review for Transformers Rise of the Beasts (2163194)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on June 11th, 2023 @ 2:32pm CDT
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on June 11th, 2023 @ 2:32pm CDT
I watched the movie a 2nd time last night after my big exam, and I enjoyed it more the 2nd time!
For one thing, the first time I watched it, it was Friday afternoon in a small town. Yesterday, I watched it in a big city theatre, with a sold out theater. It really helped enhance the experience!
Couple notes from the crowd there:
-People laughed a lot at Mirage, he was clearly the star for everyone there.
-Wheeljack turned out to be a favorite as well, he got a bunch of laughs too, and a bunch of "aww!" as well with his butterflies.
-I heard kids cry when Bumblebee died.
-And then a bunch of high school and college ages boys were loving the "Don't call it a comeback!" section. They were talking about it and re-enacting it after the movie even! They seemed to have fun.
-I heard someone yell out "NO!" when Mirage "died".
Some notes of my own to add to what I had said previously following the 2nd viewing:
-I love the Sonic/Tails/Knuckles codenames used. that was an enjoyable little piece.
-Reek ends up being a pretty funny characters, especially at the end when mirage comes back.
-I appreciated just how beat up Optimus' sword gets during his final fight with Scourge. By the end, it is but a stub. 2nd movie that has happened in too.
-One thing that I didn't like was the seeming lack of battle damage on most of the bots. I'd say that may be the weakest point of the new CGI compared to the old.
-Scourge's introduction walking through the woods still gave me goosebumps. with the glowing chest and stuff, he was awesome there.
-Optimus Prime, for the first half of the movie, was definitely a tired dad rolling his eyes at Mirage, with Bee and Arcee being the annoyed older siblings. That dynamic is great.
-I also figured out part of the reason I love mirage so much: Pretty sure he and I are about 80% the same personality. My wife confirmed that fact too.
Also, final note:
IT IS STRATOSPHERE, NOT BREAKAWAY
For one thing, the first time I watched it, it was Friday afternoon in a small town. Yesterday, I watched it in a big city theatre, with a sold out theater. It really helped enhance the experience!
Couple notes from the crowd there:
-People laughed a lot at Mirage, he was clearly the star for everyone there.
-Wheeljack turned out to be a favorite as well, he got a bunch of laughs too, and a bunch of "aww!" as well with his butterflies.
-I heard kids cry when Bumblebee died.
-And then a bunch of high school and college ages boys were loving the "Don't call it a comeback!" section. They were talking about it and re-enacting it after the movie even! They seemed to have fun.
-I heard someone yell out "NO!" when Mirage "died".
Some notes of my own to add to what I had said previously following the 2nd viewing:
-I love the Sonic/Tails/Knuckles codenames used. that was an enjoyable little piece.
-Reek ends up being a pretty funny characters, especially at the end when mirage comes back.
-I appreciated just how beat up Optimus' sword gets during his final fight with Scourge. By the end, it is but a stub. 2nd movie that has happened in too.
-One thing that I didn't like was the seeming lack of battle damage on most of the bots. I'd say that may be the weakest point of the new CGI compared to the old.
-Scourge's introduction walking through the woods still gave me goosebumps. with the glowing chest and stuff, he was awesome there.
-Optimus Prime, for the first half of the movie, was definitely a tired dad rolling his eyes at Mirage, with Bee and Arcee being the annoyed older siblings. That dynamic is great.
-I also figured out part of the reason I love mirage so much: Pretty sure he and I are about 80% the same personality. My wife confirmed that fact too.
Also, final note:
IT IS STRATOSPHERE, NOT BREAKAWAY
Re: Seibertron's Roundtable Review for Transformers Rise of the Beasts (2163207)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on June 11th, 2023 @ 3:13pm CDT
Posted by -Kanrabat- on June 11th, 2023 @ 3:13pm CDT
Strataway. 
I still want a leader toy of him.
Also, they should make a big-ass Scourge toy with LIGHTS and sounds. This bad-ass villain deserves it.
I still want a leader toy of him.
Also, they should make a big-ass Scourge toy with LIGHTS and sounds. This bad-ass villain deserves it.
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Posted by TulioDude on June 11th, 2023 @ 4:19pm CDT
Posted by TulioDude on June 11th, 2023 @ 4:19pm CDT
Post some of my detailed thoughts in the spoler tags in case anyone clicks this thread by accident
The films is awesome! I had a good time watching it. The Maximals look pretty good. The opening
is pretty effective in setting up the story. I liked the deepcut of bringing Apelink.
It's hinted that Maximals are from the future, but not outright stated, leaving it a little ambiguous. But for what it was, this didn't get in the way of my enjoyment.
Noah and Elena were used pretty well. They were introduced, their motivations are pretty clear and relatable. They have cool moments with the bots and are part of the the larger themes of the movie.
Noah and his brohter were pretty adorable.
Mirage is pretty fun, I liked all the ways they used his transformation abilities. His partnership with Noah feels familiar, but without just being a repeat of the previous films.
Arcee, Bumblebee and Stratosphere all pretty distinct from each other and had at least one moment to shine. Glad too see Bee's use of the radio and quotes to talk again. This movie has one of the better uses of this part.
Optimus Prime is pretty cool. His fights are pretty amazing. I get what Steven Caple Jr was talking about this being an less experienced version him.Him being distrustful of humans, then seeing with own eyes their potential is an cool direction to take him. With this, when he is says in 2007 movie he see the potential for good in humans hits harder
Optimus Primal felt pretty solid. He can feel he is strong as a leader, but his fear for friends safety is palpable. Airazor has a very calming presence, too bad we didn't get more of her. Cheetor and Rhinox could have used more lines, maybe a more clear look at their robot modes.
Also did anyone get this impression?That there were more Maximals traveling to Earth than the ones we saw? It was clear the Maximals have split up during the years, Optimus Primal was asking Airazor about the "other ones"
The final scene with the GI Joe character feels more like a setup for future films, but it1s nice to know that Noah won't have the same financial difficulties. I really thought that it was going be Sector Seven.
Maybe I will add more later.
The films is awesome! I had a good time watching it. The Maximals look pretty good. The opening
is pretty effective in setting up the story. I liked the deepcut of bringing Apelink.
It's hinted that Maximals are from the future, but not outright stated, leaving it a little ambiguous. But for what it was, this didn't get in the way of my enjoyment.
Noah and Elena were used pretty well. They were introduced, their motivations are pretty clear and relatable. They have cool moments with the bots and are part of the the larger themes of the movie.
Noah and his brohter were pretty adorable.
Mirage is pretty fun, I liked all the ways they used his transformation abilities. His partnership with Noah feels familiar, but without just being a repeat of the previous films.
Arcee, Bumblebee and Stratosphere all pretty distinct from each other and had at least one moment to shine. Glad too see Bee's use of the radio and quotes to talk again. This movie has one of the better uses of this part.
Optimus Prime is pretty cool. His fights are pretty amazing. I get what Steven Caple Jr was talking about this being an less experienced version him.Him being distrustful of humans, then seeing with own eyes their potential is an cool direction to take him. With this, when he is says in 2007 movie he see the potential for good in humans hits harder
Optimus Primal felt pretty solid. He can feel he is strong as a leader, but his fear for friends safety is palpable. Airazor has a very calming presence, too bad we didn't get more of her. Cheetor and Rhinox could have used more lines, maybe a more clear look at their robot modes.
Also did anyone get this impression?That there were more Maximals traveling to Earth than the ones we saw? It was clear the Maximals have split up during the years, Optimus Primal was asking Airazor about the "other ones"
The final scene with the GI Joe character feels more like a setup for future films, but it1s nice to know that Noah won't have the same financial difficulties. I really thought that it was going be Sector Seven.
Maybe I will add more later.
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Posted by ScottyP on June 11th, 2023 @ 7:51pm CDT
Posted by ScottyP on June 11th, 2023 @ 7:51pm CDT
Fun movie to watch but here 24 hours later it feels superfluous. Nothing's terrible about it, but nothing really struck home either. Easy to tell that 14 month or whatever release delay was probably spent on editing the nonsense plot to at least be coherent, even if it did jump over some important details several times.
I could've sworn Michael Kelly had played a Sector 7 agent at some point in the past, but IMDB says I'm wrong. Anyhow, that ending was stupid, but entirely unsurprising. Hasbro's gonna will their vapid shared universe to life no matter the cost.
I could've sworn Michael Kelly had played a Sector 7 agent at some point in the past, but IMDB says I'm wrong. Anyhow, that ending was stupid, but entirely unsurprising. Hasbro's gonna will their vapid shared universe to life no matter the cost.
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Posted by -Kanrabat- on June 11th, 2023 @ 8:17pm CDT
I was expecting a Sector 7 card.
But eh, if they can reboot Joe correctly this time around, I would be all for it.
Posted by -Kanrabat- on June 11th, 2023 @ 8:17pm CDT
ScottyP wrote: Hasbro's gonna will their vapid shared universe to life no matter the cost.
I was expecting a Sector 7 card.
But eh, if they can reboot Joe correctly this time around, I would be all for it.
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Posted by ScottyP on June 11th, 2023 @ 8:40pm CDT
Posted by ScottyP on June 11th, 2023 @ 8:40pm CDT
I legit thought that was gonna be Sector 7 then a later scene was going to do the Joe thing. Had heard it was a post-credits scene a couple weeks back, so was still surprised a little. Alternately, they were editing this thing up until the 11th hour.-Kanrabat- wrote:ScottyP wrote: Hasbro's gonna will their vapid shared universe to life no matter the cost.
I was expecting a Sector 7 card.
But eh, if they can reboot Joe correctly this time around, I would be all for it.
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Posted by Whifflefire on June 12th, 2023 @ 1:24pm CDT
Posted by Whifflefire on June 12th, 2023 @ 1:24pm CDT
Saw the film Saturday morning. I liked it! I agree with the general consensus that although it wasn't the greatest movie of all time, it was absolutely an enjoyable and fun action movie. My theater was pretty much full, and the audience responded very well to it, laughing at the jokes and clapping a lot during the final battle, especially Bumblebee's reappearance. A good theater-going experience. As a Transformers fan, I'm happy.
Some things I liked that I haven't seen many people mention:
The Autobots talk in vehicle mode! Something present in every other series, but largely absent in the original movies seemingly to contribute to the realism. It was nice to see here, as it reinforces that the 'Bots are still characters even in vehicle mode.
The shot of Arcee chilling inside Wheeljack behind Noah and Elena is pretty funny.
I like how they used Apelinq. As he's very obscure, his role as the sacrificial stake-building character elevates his status in the franchise, instead of pruning the potential of a more storied character like what happened with Cliffjumper. I recall his death being a sore point with many people in Bumblebee, but I have not seen a single complaint about Apelinq. It also opens the door for plenty of Jokes about how Apelinq made it to the big screen before *insert prominent character here*.
Chris's scenes were actually pretty emotional. I like how his relationship with Noah was portrayed. Both get moments to show how much they care for each other and it pays off for them both at the end.
While the Maximals could have used some more robot mode focus, Cheetor spearing Nightbird out of the sky was a cool if quick bit of nice robot mode action.
The only thing I would have really changed about the movie is let Airazor stick around a little longer (and of course let her transform). I think it could have added to the climactic battle if she ended up being forced to fight alongside the Terrorcons at the end, with the other Maximals having to confront her. Then maybe at that point she has her sad moment with Primal, although of course the best scenario would be that she survives, but I understand the necessity of a protagonist death to make the villain's death more cathartic.
Otherwise, I think the film did a pretty good job. I think it's much more exciting than Bumblebee, but I think Bumblebee still has the better story. I'd agree that a 7-8 out of 10 is where it scores. Right now it ranks right in the middle, but it is much better than the films behind it.
7)TLK (2/10)
6)AOE (4/10)
5)RoTF (6/10)
4)ROTB (7.5/10)
3)TF1 (8/10)
2)BBB (8/10)
1)DOTM (9/10)
Some things I liked that I haven't seen many people mention:
The Autobots talk in vehicle mode! Something present in every other series, but largely absent in the original movies seemingly to contribute to the realism. It was nice to see here, as it reinforces that the 'Bots are still characters even in vehicle mode.
The shot of Arcee chilling inside Wheeljack behind Noah and Elena is pretty funny.
I like how they used Apelinq. As he's very obscure, his role as the sacrificial stake-building character elevates his status in the franchise, instead of pruning the potential of a more storied character like what happened with Cliffjumper. I recall his death being a sore point with many people in Bumblebee, but I have not seen a single complaint about Apelinq. It also opens the door for plenty of Jokes about how Apelinq made it to the big screen before *insert prominent character here*.
Chris's scenes were actually pretty emotional. I like how his relationship with Noah was portrayed. Both get moments to show how much they care for each other and it pays off for them both at the end.
While the Maximals could have used some more robot mode focus, Cheetor spearing Nightbird out of the sky was a cool if quick bit of nice robot mode action.
The only thing I would have really changed about the movie is let Airazor stick around a little longer (and of course let her transform). I think it could have added to the climactic battle if she ended up being forced to fight alongside the Terrorcons at the end, with the other Maximals having to confront her. Then maybe at that point she has her sad moment with Primal, although of course the best scenario would be that she survives, but I understand the necessity of a protagonist death to make the villain's death more cathartic.
Otherwise, I think the film did a pretty good job. I think it's much more exciting than Bumblebee, but I think Bumblebee still has the better story. I'd agree that a 7-8 out of 10 is where it scores. Right now it ranks right in the middle, but it is much better than the films behind it.
7)TLK (2/10)
6)AOE (4/10)
5)RoTF (6/10)
4)ROTB (7.5/10)
3)TF1 (8/10)
2)BBB (8/10)
1)DOTM (9/10)
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Posted by zko on June 12th, 2023 @ 2:06pm CDT
Posted by zko on June 12th, 2023 @ 2:06pm CDT
I liked this one probably the best out of the entire series and have already as of a couple days ago preordered the DVD on amazon.
I really really was hoping to see in IMAX but they are pricey and far away around here so I Just went to the closest local 2D theater and it was still pretty awesome especially the opening with Primal talking about Unicron.
The closing quotes by Optimus always get me a little nostalgia teary eyed in these movies and I thought it was very awesome when the 'my name is Noah Diaz' thing was playing for the autobots and humans uniting because Anthony Ramos really pulled it off through the whole movie and I was glad he got some epic lines at the very end.
I didnt spoil myself too much on plots and stuff outside of what the toys were showing and the cast, and I was glad I didnt.
Some of my family were saying this one was gonna be the "wokest" one because of the new director and the fact it was in rain forest saying that scourge would be a log truck contributing to deforestation etc etc. I kept telling them that this would probably be their favorite one even though they never got with Beast Wars or Dinobots and mostly like the Vehicle TFs. I was pleased to see I was right when they kept laughing at Mirage stealing Noah and other parts that were meant to be funny, and they later admitted that the BW part didn't ruin it.
Optimus Primal's Ape Parkour scenes were all cool to watch, reminded me of how he jumped around in Beast Machines. I hope if Cheetor makes it into another movie we get to see him in Beast Machines style with his dual sabers blocking a bunch of shots jedi style.
Some of my family also didn't know that references to BW are in sports until I explained more of the movie to them and was like: Beastmode in football is from Beast Wars that this is based on. (they are big on football and never made the connection lol) and that the Mirage car was Kim Kardashian's boyfriend for a while / much about Pete Davidson in general.
So while I am a fan of all things TF from G1 to Bayformers and in between I must say this is my favorite by a good margin of the "Hasbro Cinematic Universe" that will probably lead into a GI Joe crossover and make me regret not having ordered that Megatron and Baroness set yet.
Movie even had Noah going full Kicker suit/Cerebros Spike headmaster from series finale of G1 in it. So I was well pleased as that is something Ive been pushing for a long time to have in these movies... and now that Hasbro is basically making Power Rangers, maybe they can eventually get the rights to the weirdly based on Transformers somehow VR Troopers!
Expand the HCU!
EDIT: On the wokeness fears I went into the theater wearing a recent Optimus Prime graffiti shirt I bought with a spraypaint can laying next to him, so I could blend in.
I really really was hoping to see in IMAX but they are pricey and far away around here so I Just went to the closest local 2D theater and it was still pretty awesome especially the opening with Primal talking about Unicron.
The closing quotes by Optimus always get me a little nostalgia teary eyed in these movies and I thought it was very awesome when the 'my name is Noah Diaz' thing was playing for the autobots and humans uniting because Anthony Ramos really pulled it off through the whole movie and I was glad he got some epic lines at the very end.
I didnt spoil myself too much on plots and stuff outside of what the toys were showing and the cast, and I was glad I didnt.
Some of my family were saying this one was gonna be the "wokest" one because of the new director and the fact it was in rain forest saying that scourge would be a log truck contributing to deforestation etc etc. I kept telling them that this would probably be their favorite one even though they never got with Beast Wars or Dinobots and mostly like the Vehicle TFs. I was pleased to see I was right when they kept laughing at Mirage stealing Noah and other parts that were meant to be funny, and they later admitted that the BW part didn't ruin it.
Optimus Primal's Ape Parkour scenes were all cool to watch, reminded me of how he jumped around in Beast Machines. I hope if Cheetor makes it into another movie we get to see him in Beast Machines style with his dual sabers blocking a bunch of shots jedi style.
Some of my family also didn't know that references to BW are in sports until I explained more of the movie to them and was like: Beastmode in football is from Beast Wars that this is based on. (they are big on football and never made the connection lol) and that the Mirage car was Kim Kardashian's boyfriend for a while / much about Pete Davidson in general.
So while I am a fan of all things TF from G1 to Bayformers and in between I must say this is my favorite by a good margin of the "Hasbro Cinematic Universe" that will probably lead into a GI Joe crossover and make me regret not having ordered that Megatron and Baroness set yet.
Movie even had Noah going full Kicker suit/Cerebros Spike headmaster from series finale of G1 in it. So I was well pleased as that is something Ive been pushing for a long time to have in these movies... and now that Hasbro is basically making Power Rangers, maybe they can eventually get the rights to the weirdly based on Transformers somehow VR Troopers!
Expand the HCU!
EDIT: On the wokeness fears I went into the theater wearing a recent Optimus Prime graffiti shirt I bought with a spraypaint can laying next to him, so I could blend in.
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Posted by william-james88 on June 12th, 2023 @ 3:15pm CDT
Posted by william-james88 on June 12th, 2023 @ 3:15pm CDT
To those who watched Transformers Rise of the Beasts, you may be curious about what was cut and how the movie changed during production. We will have 3 articles detailing different aspects such as a cut character, scenes we saw in the trailers and from the set videos that were cut, and the difference between earlier test screenings and the final film.
This article will be about the character Transit. We saw Transit in the marketing material from Takara Tomy's Beast Awakening page (that's what the film is called there). He is a Decepticon that turns into a bus. Now we see Optimus Prime in a bus yard in the film, that is our first shot of him and he was supposed to have an encounter with a Decepticon.
Sources differ slightly, but the gist is that the Decepticons know that Optimus is on Earth and instead of carpet bombing the planet like what might have been planned in the Bumblebee film, they keep sending soldiers to take out Prime. Everytime a Decepticon arrives, they blow up their ship making it unusable for Optimus, guaranteeing that he is trapped there. This notion is replaced by a line in the film which recounts that Earth was supposed to be a pit stop for the Autobots but that now they can't get home.
The scene follows with Optimus fighting Transit, killing him and dumping his body in the Hudson river, where we see other decepticon bodies, showing that this is just the latest attempt in a long line of attempts on Optimus' life.
Now part of that scene should be in the home video release, we'll see how much of it was finished, and it is said to have been removed for being too dark. But it explains a lot:
- It further shows Optimus' frustration at not getting home, how the Decepticons are basically messing with him, stranding him on Earth where he can't take the fight to them.
- It also explains the look he has when he can't beat Scourge initially. He's been fighting grunts for the past 7 years, taking them out with ease, and now he finally has a real threat to fight. It would also explain how he probably can beat Scourge (and ultimately does) but initially does not due to not making all the use of his skills, strength and ferocity which he finally unleashes in the final showdown.
So there you go, a dark scene for sure, but it would have gone a long way in helping fans understand why Optimus is so grumpy for most of the film and why he can't beat Scourge until he suddenly can (granted that second one still needs a lot of inference).
This article will be about the character Transit. We saw Transit in the marketing material from Takara Tomy's Beast Awakening page (that's what the film is called there). He is a Decepticon that turns into a bus. Now we see Optimus Prime in a bus yard in the film, that is our first shot of him and he was supposed to have an encounter with a Decepticon.
Sources differ slightly, but the gist is that the Decepticons know that Optimus is on Earth and instead of carpet bombing the planet like what might have been planned in the Bumblebee film, they keep sending soldiers to take out Prime. Everytime a Decepticon arrives, they blow up their ship making it unusable for Optimus, guaranteeing that he is trapped there. This notion is replaced by a line in the film which recounts that Earth was supposed to be a pit stop for the Autobots but that now they can't get home.
The scene follows with Optimus fighting Transit, killing him and dumping his body in the Hudson river, where we see other decepticon bodies, showing that this is just the latest attempt in a long line of attempts on Optimus' life.
Now part of that scene should be in the home video release, we'll see how much of it was finished, and it is said to have been removed for being too dark. But it explains a lot:
- It further shows Optimus' frustration at not getting home, how the Decepticons are basically messing with him, stranding him on Earth where he can't take the fight to them.
- It also explains the look he has when he can't beat Scourge initially. He's been fighting grunts for the past 7 years, taking them out with ease, and now he finally has a real threat to fight. It would also explain how he probably can beat Scourge (and ultimately does) but initially does not due to not making all the use of his skills, strength and ferocity which he finally unleashes in the final showdown.
So there you go, a dark scene for sure, but it would have gone a long way in helping fans understand why Optimus is so grumpy for most of the film and why he can't beat Scourge until he suddenly can (granted that second one still needs a lot of inference).
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Posted by Whirlkick on June 12th, 2023 @ 4:56pm CDT
Posted by Whirlkick on June 12th, 2023 @ 4:56pm CDT
We were robbed of our boi Transit smh
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Posted by alphatron10 on June 12th, 2023 @ 5:06pm CDT
Posted by alphatron10 on June 12th, 2023 @ 5:06pm CDT
I don't really understand why this was cut tbh. It adds characterization to Prime and it would be a cool scene.
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Posted by Rodimus Prime on June 12th, 2023 @ 5:28pm CDT
Posted by Rodimus Prime on June 12th, 2023 @ 5:28pm CDT
Incompetent director.alphatron10 wrote:I don't really understand why this was cut tbh. It adds characterization to Prime and it would be a cool scene.
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Posted by Reppi84 on June 12th, 2023 @ 5:41pm CDT
Posted by Reppi84 on June 12th, 2023 @ 5:41pm CDT
I saw it yesterday with my wife. I never watched Bumblebee in the theatres as I gave up on the live action franchise after the Last Knight (my god it was bad). I can honestly say I was pleasantly surprised. It's not going to win any Oscars, but it was fun to watch. Even my wife enjoyed it who isn't the biggest Transformers fan.
Side note, was it just me or did anyone else notice the scenes with Unicron had the Unciron theme from the 84 Movie slightly remixed in the background?
Side note, was it just me or did anyone else notice the scenes with Unicron had the Unciron theme from the 84 Movie slightly remixed in the background?
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Posted by First-Aid on June 12th, 2023 @ 5:46pm CDT
Posted by First-Aid on June 12th, 2023 @ 5:46pm CDT
This could have been reworked into a less dark version with some sarcasm, where Optimus is confronted by transit and just shakes his head.
Prime: 'Another one? Haven't you 'Cons learned your lesson yet? What makes you different from the others?'
Transit: Because I will be the one who destroys you, Prime!
Scene ends with Transit letting out of battle cry, charging Prime. Screen to black with sounds of a brief fight. Then we hear Prime: "This is getting monotonous."
Cut to scene of him dumping the body in the river and walking away and and time-appropriate hip hop song.
Prime: 'Another one? Haven't you 'Cons learned your lesson yet? What makes you different from the others?'
Transit: Because I will be the one who destroys you, Prime!
Scene ends with Transit letting out of battle cry, charging Prime. Screen to black with sounds of a brief fight. Then we hear Prime: "This is getting monotonous."
Cut to scene of him dumping the body in the river and walking away and and time-appropriate hip hop song.
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Posted by Stormshot_Prime on June 12th, 2023 @ 8:48pm CDT
Posted by Stormshot_Prime on June 12th, 2023 @ 8:48pm CDT
I hope this deleted scene is included in a future physical release, seems like it would’ve been fun and interesting!
But I can honestly see why such a scene was ultimately cut, it’s definitely a misleading intro if you’re not as familiar with the lore and goings on. Like I said though, I do hope to see it released in some fashion (and I’d be lying if I said I didn’t want a Transit figure)
But I can honestly see why such a scene was ultimately cut, it’s definitely a misleading intro if you’re not as familiar with the lore and goings on. Like I said though, I do hope to see it released in some fashion (and I’d be lying if I said I didn’t want a Transit figure)
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Posted by william-james88 on June 12th, 2023 @ 9:34pm CDT
Posted by william-james88 on June 12th, 2023 @ 9:34pm CDT
We thank White Bear PR for putting us in touch with Jongnic Bontemps (aka JB), the composer for the film Transformers Rise of the Beasts. While we of course hope you watch the interview, we have a summary of the key points below. While we do mostly talk about the film itself, there are some interesting bits that could interest those wanting to compose in hollywood as well as parents who would want their kids more engaged with the musical instrument they are learning. Also, please note that this interview was done before the movie's release.
Summary of key points:
- JB grew up with the Transformers brand and his favourite transformers toy was G1 Strascream
- We go over the basics of composition, how even though it involves an entire orchestra, it all starts with a single melody and then the various instruments are included at various moments or renditions
- JB discusses how they got Steven Jablonksy involved in the score and the transition from themes of the previous films into this new one.
- JB does include parts of the Unicron theme from the original 86 Transformers movie within the film. He also notes the irony of how those chilling notes for this immense being come from a tiny glass harmonica (originally)
- JB then talks about the leap of faith he took and the massive investment he made to show the studio his vision of the theme for this film and how what you hear in the film came to be.
- We end on a extra tip for parents who are bringing their kids to music lessons and want to keep them engaged. The key is to make them play something they like and weave that with the more classical compositions they need to learn to hone their skills.
Here is the full interview, enjoy!
Summary of key points:
- JB grew up with the Transformers brand and his favourite transformers toy was G1 Strascream
- We go over the basics of composition, how even though it involves an entire orchestra, it all starts with a single melody and then the various instruments are included at various moments or renditions
- JB discusses how they got Steven Jablonksy involved in the score and the transition from themes of the previous films into this new one.
- JB does include parts of the Unicron theme from the original 86 Transformers movie within the film. He also notes the irony of how those chilling notes for this immense being come from a tiny glass harmonica (originally)
- JB then talks about the leap of faith he took and the massive investment he made to show the studio his vision of the theme for this film and how what you hear in the film came to be.
- We end on a extra tip for parents who are bringing their kids to music lessons and want to keep them engaged. The key is to make them play something they like and weave that with the more classical compositions they need to learn to hone their skills.
Here is the full interview, enjoy!
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Posted by cloudballoon on June 12th, 2023 @ 10:42pm CDT
Posted by cloudballoon on June 12th, 2023 @ 10:42pm CDT
Maybe Hasbro ordered the Transit scene cut because they're going for scale and Transit is too minor a character and there won't be enough people to buy a Commander Class toy of it. 
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Posted by william-james88 on June 13th, 2023 @ 1:10pm CDT
Posted by william-james88 on June 13th, 2023 @ 1:10pm CDT
In just 20 minutes, Steven Caple Jr set the world ablaze in an interview with Deadline. You can listen to it below, it is well worth the listen for any Transformers fan, but we will also discuss some key points.
We'll start with the big one since that's what everyone wants to know, it looks like there will indeed be a next film. Not only that, but Steven, the director of Rise of the Beasts, is in talks to direct it and he wants it to pick up on the big GI Joe tease. What's clear is that his vision is to fulfill the what was promised at the end of the movie with a crossover film. What is not clear is if that would replace a Transformers sequel that was said to be part of a "Unicron Trilogy" or if the next Transformers film is indeed that crossover.
He also says that he had 2 drafts of the "GI Joe" reveal scene. As many pointed out, the scene with the beaurocrat made it look a lot like Sector 7 was recruiting Noah, rather than GI Joe. Well, the scene was filmed in a way that it could be both and both versions (with either a Sector 7 reveal of a GI Joe reveal) were shown to test audiences. Obviously, you know which route they went with in the end, but this does explain a lot. It also further highlights that Paramount/Hasbro are not letting go of any aspect of the previous Bay movies which are always an option for returning.
There is a really good segment on Michael Bay, who did talk to Steven about what to look out for in the film. Fans will get a kick out of this, but Bay warned Steven of including emotional or character moments with the robots and just focus on action. This is due to the CG cost being so high regardless of what is happening, so it should be saved for big action moments, rather than reaction shots. Now that explains A LOT about Bay's films.
You can hear the talk at the following link: https://deadline.com/2023/06/transforme ... 235415042/
We'll start with the big one since that's what everyone wants to know, it looks like there will indeed be a next film. Not only that, but Steven, the director of Rise of the Beasts, is in talks to direct it and he wants it to pick up on the big GI Joe tease. What's clear is that his vision is to fulfill the what was promised at the end of the movie with a crossover film. What is not clear is if that would replace a Transformers sequel that was said to be part of a "Unicron Trilogy" or if the next Transformers film is indeed that crossover.
He also says that he had 2 drafts of the "GI Joe" reveal scene. As many pointed out, the scene with the beaurocrat made it look a lot like Sector 7 was recruiting Noah, rather than GI Joe. Well, the scene was filmed in a way that it could be both and both versions (with either a Sector 7 reveal of a GI Joe reveal) were shown to test audiences. Obviously, you know which route they went with in the end, but this does explain a lot. It also further highlights that Paramount/Hasbro are not letting go of any aspect of the previous Bay movies which are always an option for returning.
There is a really good segment on Michael Bay, who did talk to Steven about what to look out for in the film. Fans will get a kick out of this, but Bay warned Steven of including emotional or character moments with the robots and just focus on action. This is due to the CG cost being so high regardless of what is happening, so it should be saved for big action moments, rather than reaction shots. Now that explains A LOT about Bay's films.
You can hear the talk at the following link: https://deadline.com/2023/06/transforme ... 235415042/
Re: Seibertron's Roundtable Review for Transformers Rise of the Beasts (2163387)
Posted by Rodimus Prime on June 13th, 2023 @ 4:39pm CDT
Posted by Rodimus Prime on June 13th, 2023 @ 4:39pm CDT
I understand the cost of CG being high, but as much as I like the action in Bayverse, he could have used some of it to make the Transformers (especially the Cons) a bit more 3-dimensional.
As for the G.I. Joe angle, I welcome a collaboration, if it's done right. Make it about the franchise characters, not some nobodies we haven't heard of before.
As for this guy returning as director, if he can put his prejudices aside, and not go the same way that racist POS jordan peele did, maybe I'll see his next TF movie if he directs it.
As for the G.I. Joe angle, I welcome a collaboration, if it's done right. Make it about the franchise characters, not some nobodies we haven't heard of before.
As for this guy returning as director, if he can put his prejudices aside, and not go the same way that racist POS jordan peele did, maybe I'll see his next TF movie if he directs it.
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Posted by EvasionModeBumblebee on June 13th, 2023 @ 8:04pm CDT
Posted by EvasionModeBumblebee on June 13th, 2023 @ 8:04pm CDT
Just realized I never typed out all my spoiler thoughts on ROTB. I saw it again in Imax on sunday, and the sound is what really made it. Bee and Battletrap's weapons sounded so good!
Overall, I really enjoyed it! There's a lot to talk about, so I'll kinda summarize into my pros and cons!
Pros:
- I really liked Prime in this one! He's still very much like Bayverse Prime, which I appreciate. His interactions with Scourge were some of my favorite parts of the movie, "I'm taking back Scourge's key - and then I'm taking off his head" was an awesome line. He followed up on it too, Scourge got the DOTM Megatron treatment!
- Bee, while not in the movie too long, was used really well! They picked some great movie quotes for him to use, and his arrival later in the movie was a super cool scene.
- Mirage was surprisingly great! His humor was spot on, and the hologram abilities were used in cool ways.
- The action scenes as a whole were much more of what I was hoping for compared to BB. Prime and Primal taking out Battletrap and Prime's final fight with Scourge stood out as highlights, but I like how all the bots in the museum fight got a moment to shine. The fight scenes weren't quite as fast as they were in the Bayverse (which I do prefer), but the ones here were still very cool.
- The music was great! The use of Steve Jablonsky's themes at the end was perfect and I loved it, but the original stuff was really good too. Arrival to Peru, Switchback Chase, and the theme as the Autobots and Maximals line up for the final battle were all notable examples!
Cons:
- The movie does drag a little bit after the opening with all of Noah and Elena's setup. Some of it definitely does pay off later, but it takes a little too long for my liking.
- Not sure what to think of the GI Joe scene - I almost feel like that scene and the mid credits scene should have been swapped, since Mirage was more central to this movie and would have been a more fitting note to end the main movie on.
- Scourge's design felt a little out of place next to the other Terrorcons. The others had more vehicle kibble and felt much more detailed (Battletrap and Nightbird could really almost pass as Bayverse designs IMO), whereas Scourge seemed to have a lower parts count if that makes sense.
I'm still working out my ranking with respect to ROTF, but here's what I have right now:
1. DOTM
2. 2007
3/4. ROTF/B
5. AOE
6. TLK
7. BB
Overall, I really enjoyed this one and I'm excited to see more!
Overall, I really enjoyed it! There's a lot to talk about, so I'll kinda summarize into my pros and cons!
Pros:
- I really liked Prime in this one! He's still very much like Bayverse Prime, which I appreciate. His interactions with Scourge were some of my favorite parts of the movie, "I'm taking back Scourge's key - and then I'm taking off his head" was an awesome line. He followed up on it too, Scourge got the DOTM Megatron treatment!
- Bee, while not in the movie too long, was used really well! They picked some great movie quotes for him to use, and his arrival later in the movie was a super cool scene.
- Mirage was surprisingly great! His humor was spot on, and the hologram abilities were used in cool ways.
- The action scenes as a whole were much more of what I was hoping for compared to BB. Prime and Primal taking out Battletrap and Prime's final fight with Scourge stood out as highlights, but I like how all the bots in the museum fight got a moment to shine. The fight scenes weren't quite as fast as they were in the Bayverse (which I do prefer), but the ones here were still very cool.
- The music was great! The use of Steve Jablonsky's themes at the end was perfect and I loved it, but the original stuff was really good too. Arrival to Peru, Switchback Chase, and the theme as the Autobots and Maximals line up for the final battle were all notable examples!
Cons:
- The movie does drag a little bit after the opening with all of Noah and Elena's setup. Some of it definitely does pay off later, but it takes a little too long for my liking.
- Not sure what to think of the GI Joe scene - I almost feel like that scene and the mid credits scene should have been swapped, since Mirage was more central to this movie and would have been a more fitting note to end the main movie on.
- Scourge's design felt a little out of place next to the other Terrorcons. The others had more vehicle kibble and felt much more detailed (Battletrap and Nightbird could really almost pass as Bayverse designs IMO), whereas Scourge seemed to have a lower parts count if that makes sense.
I'm still working out my ranking with respect to ROTF, but here's what I have right now:
1. DOTM
2. 2007
3/4. ROTF/B
5. AOE
6. TLK
7. BB
Overall, I really enjoyed this one and I'm excited to see more!
Re: Seibertron's Roundtable Review for Transformers Rise of the Beasts (2163411)
Posted by Barricade.it on June 14th, 2023 @ 2:48am CDT
Posted by Barricade.it on June 14th, 2023 @ 2:48am CDT
The thing on Transit's left hand looks like an upside down wolf head.
Maybe He was a triple changer (robot, bus and wolf)!
Maybe He was a triple changer (robot, bus and wolf)!
Re: Seibertron's Roundtable Review for Transformers Rise of the Beasts (2163417)
Posted by DeathReviews on June 14th, 2023 @ 9:24am CDT
Posted by DeathReviews on June 14th, 2023 @ 9:24am CDT
"Why Bay focused more on action"? Like we need anybody to explain that? That's all Bay ever does. It's not like Bay movies are well-known for depth, or emotional appeal, realistic characters, appealing personalities, pathos, or intelligent writing and dialogue. Screaming, mumbling, chases and explosions are what his films are 'known' for. Doesn't take a degree to figure out what you're in for when Bay's name is anywhere in the credits.
Re: Seibertron's Roundtable Review for Transformers Rise of the Beasts (2163418)
Posted by william-james88 on June 14th, 2023 @ 9:27am CDT
There is nuance to this though. We see why in his films we'd never get a reaction shot from a bot and why they werent really characters. Characters emote and that costs money he'd rather spent on something else. Adding to that the need for more details and jagged shapes so that the light can bounce off it and have the transformers appear more like they are sharing the same scene as humans and you get a very clear sense of how all those previous films are the way they are.
Posted by william-james88 on June 14th, 2023 @ 9:27am CDT
DeathReviews wrote:"Why Bay focused more on action"? Like we need anybody to explain that? That's all Bay ever does. It's not like Bay movies are well-known for depth, or emotional appeal, realistic characters, appealing personalities, pathos, or intelligent writing and dialogue. Yelling, mumbling, chases and explosions are what his films are 'known' for.
There is nuance to this though. We see why in his films we'd never get a reaction shot from a bot and why they werent really characters. Characters emote and that costs money he'd rather spent on something else. Adding to that the need for more details and jagged shapes so that the light can bounce off it and have the transformers appear more like they are sharing the same scene as humans and you get a very clear sense of how all those previous films are the way they are.
Re: Seibertron's Roundtable Review for Transformers Rise of the Beasts (2163438)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on June 14th, 2023 @ 1:38pm CDT
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on June 14th, 2023 @ 1:38pm CDT
I agree with a lot of your thoughts EvasionModeBee, except I didn't really get the feeling that Scourge was simpler than the other Terrorcons, I think he still blended in well.
The "welcome to earth" tones in that final charge away from the collapsing portal was awesome. I loved it!
A shame the Transit scene was cut, but glad to hear they will try to get it into the deleted scenes section of the physical release. I still hope Transit gets a toy.
I would welcome Cable Jr. back for a sequel, I think he did real good here. I also appreciate all that went into Mirage now that we know more about how that character, personality, and design all came along. I also welcome back Noah, he was my favorite of the human leads in the TF movies.
Also, my new favorite bot:
The "welcome to earth" tones in that final charge away from the collapsing portal was awesome. I loved it!
A shame the Transit scene was cut, but glad to hear they will try to get it into the deleted scenes section of the physical release. I still hope Transit gets a toy.
I would welcome Cable Jr. back for a sequel, I think he did real good here. I also appreciate all that went into Mirage now that we know more about how that character, personality, and design all came along. I also welcome back Noah, he was my favorite of the human leads in the TF movies.
Also, my new favorite bot:
Re: Seibertron's Roundtable Review for Transformers Rise of the Beasts (2163475)
Posted by Dr. Caelus on June 14th, 2023 @ 7:56pm CDT
Posted by Dr. Caelus on June 14th, 2023 @ 7:56pm CDT
Saw it a second time this morning and I am still struggling with something.
"If you could follow those symbols to Peru, so will Scourge."
[And]
"We need to hurry, Scourge could already be on his way there."
Okay, but... how?
A native-to-Earth anthropologist managed to connect the symbols at the two sites by way of being incredibly gifted, well-educated, and maybe a little bit lucky (with tens of thousands of pages of history to go through looking for a match to the symbols, she seemed to land on the right ones really quick).
Scourge arrives on a completely alien planet with his posse in their little bitty clown-car spaceship and he is going to quickly find the missing half of the key how? Searching for clues in the museum he incinerated? Rolling into the local library? Cold calling experts on ancient aliens? Setting up a webpage on Geocities? What was Scourge's incredibly efficient research process supposed to be?
"If you could follow those symbols to Peru, so will Scourge."
[And]
"We need to hurry, Scourge could already be on his way there."
Okay, but... how?
A native-to-Earth anthropologist managed to connect the symbols at the two sites by way of being incredibly gifted, well-educated, and maybe a little bit lucky (with tens of thousands of pages of history to go through looking for a match to the symbols, she seemed to land on the right ones really quick).
Scourge arrives on a completely alien planet with his posse in their little bitty clown-car spaceship and he is going to quickly find the missing half of the key how? Searching for clues in the museum he incinerated? Rolling into the local library? Cold calling experts on ancient aliens? Setting up a webpage on Geocities? What was Scourge's incredibly efficient research process supposed to be?
Re: Seibertron's Roundtable Review for Transformers Rise of the Beasts (2163480)
Posted by zerozep on June 14th, 2023 @ 9:28pm CDT
Posted by zerozep on June 14th, 2023 @ 9:28pm CDT
I loved the movie as well with just two complaints- one was Unicrons voice was very underwhelming, it didn’t need to copy 86 but when a being like that speaks I figure it would be a voice that commands attention. Also the “there’s a battle on earth” song. That seemed so ridiculously out of place. Bees return and song were great, then reinforcements were called for and that stupid song came on and for like 10 seconds I was like what is Unicron trying to say!? And to top it off that’s not a 90s song is it?
But quick question, with Scorges mask comes off (sorry about spelling) didn’t his face seem organic? Maybe indicating at that point he was some kind of mutant due to Unicrons corruption but was never originally a transformer?
But quick question, with Scorges mask comes off (sorry about spelling) didn’t his face seem organic? Maybe indicating at that point he was some kind of mutant due to Unicrons corruption but was never originally a transformer?
Re: Seibertron's Roundtable Review for Transformers Rise of the Beasts (2163481)
Posted by william-james88 on June 14th, 2023 @ 9:47pm CDT
Posted by william-james88 on June 14th, 2023 @ 9:47pm CDT
Yes, his face did seem organic
Re: Seibertron's Roundtable Review for Transformers Rise of the Beasts (2163510)
Posted by First-Aid on June 15th, 2023 @ 10:06am CDT
Scourge made several mentions of the biomass (I think?) of the Maximal planet at the beginning of the movie. I wonder if they are setting Unicron up to be a biomechanical organism. The odds of biological life in the universe (normally) would be far higher than mechanical life so being able to utilize both would be advantageous and could open up several potential storylines.
Posted by First-Aid on June 15th, 2023 @ 10:06am CDT
william-james88 wrote:Yes, his face did seem organic
Scourge made several mentions of the biomass (I think?) of the Maximal planet at the beginning of the movie. I wonder if they are setting Unicron up to be a biomechanical organism. The odds of biological life in the universe (normally) would be far higher than mechanical life so being able to utilize both would be advantageous and could open up several potential storylines.
Re: Seibertron's Roundtable Review for Transformers Rise of the Beasts (2163514)
Posted by noctorro on June 15th, 2023 @ 10:51am CDT
Posted by noctorro on June 15th, 2023 @ 10:51am CDT
I love music and I really get hooked into the movie right away.
The Dark Knight Returns (animated movie)
Equalizer
Age of Extinction
The Batman
Batman v Superman
Wakanda Forever (made the movie way better for me than it actually is)
300 Rise of an Empire
Inception
King Arthur
Interstellar
Man of Steel
The Dark Knight Rises
(in short, Hans Zimmer wins the oscar every single year, the man is just a god)
Steve Jablonsky really made cool scores for 2, 3 and 4 (I didn't like TF5's score at all and TF 1 he was still getting into his own).
For Rise of the Beasts I had hope they would have a distinct atmospheric score, but it was generic. Maybe I'll be more impressed on second viewing but nothing jumped out.
Same for Bumblebee, forgettable generic score.
I hope for the next movie we get an engaging and atmosperhic score again.
The Dark Knight Returns (animated movie)
Equalizer
Age of Extinction
The Batman
Batman v Superman
Wakanda Forever (made the movie way better for me than it actually is)
300 Rise of an Empire
Inception
King Arthur
Interstellar
Man of Steel
The Dark Knight Rises
(in short, Hans Zimmer wins the oscar every single year, the man is just a god)
Steve Jablonsky really made cool scores for 2, 3 and 4 (I didn't like TF5's score at all and TF 1 he was still getting into his own).
For Rise of the Beasts I had hope they would have a distinct atmospheric score, but it was generic. Maybe I'll be more impressed on second viewing but nothing jumped out.
Same for Bumblebee, forgettable generic score.
I hope for the next movie we get an engaging and atmosperhic score again.
Re: Seibertron's Roundtable Review for Transformers Rise of the Beasts (2163515)
Posted by noctorro on June 15th, 2023 @ 10:57am CDT
I hope so man, because the story was shallow as a puddle with minor 1 sentence reference to something that's actually interesting and worldbuilding.
If they up that by 500% next time and have connection between these lore moments and effects on the events of the movie then you have something that won't be seen as a shallow sunday morning 30 minute toycommercial. Which it's seen as by virtually everybody. (nothing wrong with it, but I think Transformers can be more, just like video games the transforming gimmick has soooooooooooo much potential, same as Unicron, civil war, factions, minicons etc. etc. etc.)
On potential, the GI Joe Classified line is very cool and has great designs especially the nameless Cobra soldiers. If they somehow take that visual style and god forbid take on the military style/mood of Captain America Winter Soldier/GI Joe 2 mix and then... and then merge that with Rise of the Beasts. ... I don't know man, I can't write that in 5 minutes but I think Hollywood has more than 5 minutes to write that movie.
Posted by noctorro on June 15th, 2023 @ 10:57am CDT
zerozep wrote:
But quick question, with Scorges mask comes off (sorry about spelling) didn’t his face seem organic? Maybe indicating at that point he was some kind of mutant due to Unicrons corruption but was never originally a transformer?
I hope so man, because the story was shallow as a puddle with minor 1 sentence reference to something that's actually interesting and worldbuilding.
If they up that by 500% next time and have connection between these lore moments and effects on the events of the movie then you have something that won't be seen as a shallow sunday morning 30 minute toycommercial. Which it's seen as by virtually everybody. (nothing wrong with it, but I think Transformers can be more, just like video games the transforming gimmick has soooooooooooo much potential, same as Unicron, civil war, factions, minicons etc. etc. etc.)
On potential, the GI Joe Classified line is very cool and has great designs especially the nameless Cobra soldiers. If they somehow take that visual style and god forbid take on the military style/mood of Captain America Winter Soldier/GI Joe 2 mix and then... and then merge that with Rise of the Beasts. ... I don't know man, I can't write that in 5 minutes but I think Hollywood has more than 5 minutes to write that movie.
Re: Seibertron's Roundtable Review for Transformers Rise of the Beasts (2163516)
Posted by First-Aid on June 15th, 2023 @ 11:14am CDT
In this movie and Bee, it was more about the SOUNDTRACK than the SCORE. I think that's why it was generic.
Posted by First-Aid on June 15th, 2023 @ 11:14am CDT
noctorro wrote:I love music and I really get hooked into the movie right away.
The Dark Knight Returns (animated movie)
Equalizer
Age of Extinction
The Batman
Batman v Superman
Wakanda Forever (made the movie way better for me than it actually is)
300 Rise of an Empire
Inception
King Arthur
Interstellar
Man of Steel
The Dark Knight Rises
(in short, Hans Zimmer wins the oscar every single year, the man is just a god)
Steve Jablonsky really made cool scores for 2, 3 and 4 (I didn't like TF5's score at all and TF 1 he was still getting into his own).
For Rise of the Beasts I had hope they would have a distinct atmospheric score, but it was generic. Maybe I'll be more impressed on second viewing but nothing jumped out.
Same for Bumblebee, forgettable generic score.
I hope for the next movie we get an engaging and atmosperhic score again.
In this movie and Bee, it was more about the SOUNDTRACK than the SCORE. I think that's why it was generic.
Re: Seibertron's Roundtable Review for Transformers Rise of the Beasts (2163534)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on June 15th, 2023 @ 4:49pm CDT
Posted by -Kanrabat- on June 15th, 2023 @ 4:49pm CDT
The Pitch Meeting is pretty much on point!
Re: Seibertron's Roundtable Review for Transformers Rise of the Beasts (2163538)
Posted by TulioDude on June 15th, 2023 @ 6:01pm CDT
Good question, the movie could have conveyed the information in a more clear way, but if I had to guess, is that since they had half of the key, they used it to search for a similar energy or signal.
Posted by TulioDude on June 15th, 2023 @ 6:01pm CDT
Dr. Caelus wrote:Saw it a second time this morning and I am still struggling with something.
"If you could follow those symbols to Peru, so will Scourge."
[And]
"We need to hurry, Scourge could already be on his way there."
Okay, but... how?
A native-to-Earth anthropologist managed to connect the symbols at the two sites by way of being incredibly gifted, well-educated, and maybe a little bit lucky (with tens of thousands of pages of history to go through looking for a match to the symbols, she seemed to land on the right ones really quick).
Scourge arrives on a completely alien planet with his posse in their little bitty clown-car spaceship and he is going to quickly find the missing half of the key how? Searching for clues in the museum he incinerated? Rolling into the local library? Cold calling experts on ancient aliens? Setting up a webpage on Geocities? What was Scourge's incredibly efficient research process supposed to be?
Good question, the movie could have conveyed the information in a more clear way, but if I had to guess, is that since they had half of the key, they used it to search for a similar energy or signal.
Re: Seibertron's Roundtable Review for Transformers Rise of the Beasts (2163545)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on June 15th, 2023 @ 6:42pm CDT
Really don't think it was, it was more DotM Megatron than anything. It was definitely Ultron-like, but it was cool, especially with the chains through the center of the face
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on June 15th, 2023 @ 6:42pm CDT
william-james88 wrote:Yes, his face did seem organic
Really don't think it was, it was more DotM Megatron than anything. It was definitely Ultron-like, but it was cool, especially with the chains through the center of the face
Re: Seibertron's Roundtable Review for Transformers Rise of the Beasts (2163576)
Posted by william-james88 on June 15th, 2023 @ 11:16pm CDT
Posted by william-james88 on June 15th, 2023 @ 11:16pm CDT
To those who watched Transformers Rise of the Beasts, you may be curious about what was cut and how the movie changed during production. We will have 3 articles detailing different aspects such as a cut character, scenes we saw in the trailers and from the set videos that were cut, and the difference between earlier test screenings and the final film.
We already went over the the cut character and now we will look at what was cut/changed from the original trailer. Here it is, you'll probably notice some very different shots (like the one in the thumbnail).
Now compare that transformation for Optimus Primal to this one from the final movie and you'll see that it was completely redone.
The same goes for the Transformation moment of Cheetor as well, which is "shot" from the front in the final edit rather than from the back.
There is a lot more than this, but those are pretty big since we've been told that the CGI is the most expensive aspect about this movie and yet it seems we have different takes on the final battle with different animations, transformations and moments. Plus remember that shot of Rhinox in the cave? Not there either.
And the same goes for the final part of the first trailer where Elena sees Arcee.
There are also lines that were dropped such as:
Mirage saying “He eats planets, so uhhh way bigger than a planet”
Airazor saying “Optimus, we must trust each other to protect the home we all share”
Scourge saying “In the end, everything you ever cared for will be consumed”
You'll let us know of other moments you remember from the trailer that did not end up in the film in the end.
We already went over the the cut character and now we will look at what was cut/changed from the original trailer. Here it is, you'll probably notice some very different shots (like the one in the thumbnail).
Now compare that transformation for Optimus Primal to this one from the final movie and you'll see that it was completely redone.
The same goes for the Transformation moment of Cheetor as well, which is "shot" from the front in the final edit rather than from the back.
There is a lot more than this, but those are pretty big since we've been told that the CGI is the most expensive aspect about this movie and yet it seems we have different takes on the final battle with different animations, transformations and moments. Plus remember that shot of Rhinox in the cave? Not there either.
And the same goes for the final part of the first trailer where Elena sees Arcee.
There are also lines that were dropped such as:
Mirage saying “He eats planets, so uhhh way bigger than a planet”
Airazor saying “Optimus, we must trust each other to protect the home we all share”
Scourge saying “In the end, everything you ever cared for will be consumed”
You'll let us know of other moments you remember from the trailer that did not end up in the film in the end.
Re: Seibertron's Roundtable Review for Transformers Rise of the Beasts (2163577)
Posted by Bounti76 on June 16th, 2023 @ 12:12am CDT
Posted by Bounti76 on June 16th, 2023 @ 12:12am CDT
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't remember Rhinox speaking at all in the movie, yet David Sobolov is credited as his voice actor. I remember Cheetor speaking one or two lines very briefly, but nothing from Rhinox.
Re: Seibertron's Roundtable Review for Transformers Rise of the Beasts (2163578)
Posted by william-james88 on June 16th, 2023 @ 1:02am CDT
Rhinox has one line, he says "clear the way" after Noah talks to him and Primal during the final fight.
Posted by william-james88 on June 16th, 2023 @ 1:02am CDT
Bounti76 wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't remember Rhinox speaking at all in the movie, yet David Sobolov is credited as his voice actor. I remember Cheetor speaking one or two lines very briefly, but nothing from Rhinox.
Rhinox has one line, he says "clear the way" after Noah talks to him and Primal during the final fight.
Re: Seibertron's Roundtable Review for Transformers Rise of the Beasts (2163588)
Posted by First-Aid on June 16th, 2023 @ 9:34am CDT
To me, even if they weren't in the movie, leaving in the trailer makes sense from the standpoint that, although Unicron was briefly mentioned in TLK, I'd wager that the vast majority of the general populace/moviegoers probably aren't aware of what he represents. By leaving those lines in the trailer, it gives a very brief summary of just what is at stake to those unfamiliar to the Chaosbringer.
Posted by First-Aid on June 16th, 2023 @ 9:34am CDT
william-james88 wrote:
And the same goes for the final part of the first trailer where Elena sees Arcee.
There are also lines that were dropped such as:
Mirage saying “He eats planets, so uhhh way bigger than a planet”
Airazor saying “Optimus, we must trust each other to protect the home we all share”
Scourge saying “In the end, everything you ever cared for will be consumed”
You'll let us know of other moments you remember from the trailer that did not end up in the film in the end.
To me, even if they weren't in the movie, leaving in the trailer makes sense from the standpoint that, although Unicron was briefly mentioned in TLK, I'd wager that the vast majority of the general populace/moviegoers probably aren't aware of what he represents. By leaving those lines in the trailer, it gives a very brief summary of just what is at stake to those unfamiliar to the Chaosbringer.
Re: Seibertron's Roundtable Review for Transformers Rise of the Beasts (2163680)
Posted by william-james88 on June 18th, 2023 @ 11:01am CDT
Posted by william-james88 on June 18th, 2023 @ 11:01am CDT
Regardless of what you think of the Rise of the Beasts film, it shows that the director and writers did see the robots as the titular characters that they are rather than giant props in the background. Steven Caple Jr, the director was a fan of the source material and did good on his word to provide a Transformers movie with a focus on the Transformers as much as he could (we previously wrote why that's usually not the norm in these films). So it begs to reason why Wheeljack was such a change from his previous look, especially when he had a more accurate look in the Bumblebee movie. Well, it turns out that this decision and push was out of his hands according to this interview from UPROXX. From the interview below, we see that this more nerdy look came from the higher ups, be that Hasbro or Paramount (not that it matters, both companies must sign off on these decisions) and that Wheeljack's look was changed so that he can be more different from the rest of the cast, both in look and the personality inferred by the look. Also, we've gotten early designs of the film which show that Wheeljack's new design was done at a very preliminary stage of production, before Caple was even attached to the film. And it remained this way. Along with Wheeljack, ee have other "previs" designs to share with you from Fred Pashe, who also worked on Beast Machines back in the day. Enjoy!
"When I got into the film, they had already wanted the Wheeljack part of this picture, but they wanted to redesign it and actually lean more into the science and nerdy part of Wheeljack. They felt like the Wheeljack – I don’t know if this is the studio or Hasbro who was here before me – he was kind of falling into the lane of the other characters. Kind of tough. Ironhide, and those kind of vibes. Just didn’t feel like enough variety across the board. And so, for me as a fan, I was like, “All right, how can I keep some of the essence?” But I was like, I’m going to just dive deep into the lore and just gave him his whole sort of personality and a different look as we start to now develop and move on. But yeah, that was it. It was no shade or callbacks to the other Wheeljack at all. But people started calling Pablo Wheeljack, which I thought was kind of funny. And Cristo likes it too. He’s like, “I’m down for that.” Cristo Fernandez, who plays him, which is cool."
Re: Seibertron's Roundtable Review for Transformers Rise of the Beasts (2163693)
Posted by Bounti76 on June 18th, 2023 @ 12:10pm CDT
Posted by Bounti76 on June 18th, 2023 @ 12:10pm CDT
I mean, to be fair, he wasn't as bad as I'd thought. Also, at least his "glasses" served an actual purpose and weren't just an overly human aspect of the character design.
Re: Seibertron's Roundtable Review for Transformers Rise of the Beasts (2163697)
Posted by Quantum Surge on June 18th, 2023 @ 2:53pm CDT
Posted by Quantum Surge on June 18th, 2023 @ 2:53pm CDT
Previs Wheeljack is how Pablo Haters see him before praying to his Beewun form
