Season 3 Trailer for Transformers: Robots In Disguise - Combiner Force

Even though I don't like the combiner force toys, Blurr looks awesome in the cartoon!

The RID Blurr toy is pretty awesome as well.

Ahhh finally a new Autobot.

This was my only initial problem with Prime while watching the show we only got 3 new Autobots in the entire 65 episodes and two of them were rather late in the show and the first was only around sometimes until season 3, I mean now I have more problems with Prime after talking about it with other fans on other sites but this part was still something that bugged me.

Hopefully Jazz, Windblade, Ratchet and Undertone come back and that we get Stormshot, Blastwave and Twinferno in the show at some point the latter three will probably be part of Optimus's group on Cybertron against the council or something.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee haha yeah!

As cool as this looks and as excited as I am for combiners in a good show, Grimlock totally gets me: "am I the bottom? Yep, figured."

MrBlack wrote:The RID Blurr toy is pretty awesome as well.

The Warrior figure is tempting. I was talking more about those crash combiners battle packs. The RiD line has some gems even though there are some figures that lack details and are hollow. See the Overload Deployer - I swear he is lighter than some of the warrior figures even though he is a bigger toy.

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee haha yeah!

As cool as this looks and as excited as I am for combiners in a good show, Grimlock totally gets me: "am I the bottom? Yep, figured."

Grimlock is the pants!

Also Drift is the sword how racist /s (I don't actually think like that but I can see people saying that especially on Youtube, Twitter and Tumblr)

Man, now Soundwave has his G1 voice too? I miss TFP Soundwave...

That's pretty cool with Drift as the sword, fits with the character well! Wonder what part Slipstream and Jetstorm might have, maybe a shield? Or maybe forgotten entirely since they're not the gimmick this year.

As we know, season 3 (the actual season 3) of Transformers: Robots in Disguise will be arriving on Cartoon Network at the end of the month - we also now have a trailer for the next step in the animated series! Featuring Soundwave's voice, Blurr, Stunticons, and even more Combiners.

It's bad enough when you have to deal with the Decepticons year in and year out, but when they start combining into gargantuan versions of themselves things become even more stressful.

That's the premise of the third season of Transformers: Robots in Disguise, which will hit Cartoon Network on April 29th. Bumblebee's squad of Autobots will have to figure out how to work together to take down the new threat, but the Decepticons aren't going to make it easy. In fact, the only way to beat them might require for the Autobots to do some combining of their own.

Many of your favorite Autobots are making a return, but there will be a few new faces joining the battle as well. Transformers: Robots In Disguise stars Mitchell Whitfield (Fixit), Khary Payton (Grimlock), Will Friedle (Bumblebee), Constance Zimmer (Strongarm), Darren Criss (Sideswipe), Stuart Allan (Russell Clay), Ted McGinley (Denny Clay), Eric Bauza (Drift), Rager Craig Smith (Jetstorm), and Peter Cullen (Optimus Prime).

You can view the synopsis for the new season below, and the new trailer for season 3 "combiner force" can be viewed above.

Created by Hasbro Studios, the series focuses on Bumblebee as the leader of the Autobots as they seek to save the Earth from the Decepticons.

The season 3 theme is “Combiner Force” and the Autobots and Decepticons will take the battle between good and evil to new heights with the creation of Combiners – teams of Transformers who combine forces to create larger, more powerful bots. Bumblebee and the Autobot team must learn how to fight the Decepticons when combined with one another and truly work as one.

Kurona wrote:Man, now Soundwave has his G1 voice too? I miss TFP Soundwave...

He spoke in Prime when he was captured by the Autobots and itsthe same sounding voice,

Soundwave Superior, Autobots inferior

Kurona wrote:Man, now Soundwave has his G1 voice too? I miss TFP Soundwave...

Well, like Randomhero said, when Soundwave spoke in "Minus One" his voice did have the same vocoder effect that he does in this promo. It's ever so slightly heavier, but the vocoder effect has remained relatively consistent.

What I'd like to know, from anyone who bothered keeping up with Rescue Bots (*cough*Sabrblade*cough*), is if Blurr's voice is the same.

Yo, Sabrblade (or anyone else for that matter): does Blurr have the same voice as his Rescue bots version? I can't really tell

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:Yo, Sabrblade (or anyone else for that matter): does Blurr have the same voice as his Rescue bots version? I can't really tell

PrymeStriker wrote:What I'd like to know, from anyone who bothered keeping up with Rescue Bots (*cough*Sabrblade*cough*), is if Blurr's voice is the same.

Cease and desist: stop thinking my thoughts.

That's true, but that scene had a lot of weight and surprise to it because we'd gone over 50 episodes with Soundwave having never spoken. Because he never spoke that made the moment that much more significant; it gave his taunting and victory that much more memorability. It worked because it's something he never did.

While it's true we only hear him speak once in the trailer, the context kinda tells me it's not something he does particularly sparingly anymore. It's just very disappointing to see pretty much everything original, unique and fresh about the TFP version of Soundwave stripped away just to appeal to G1 nostalgia.

Oh no, wait, I mean, uh, as a return to how he was in the High Moon games. Yeah, that's definitely what they're going for and definitely why he looks like this.

PrymeStriker wrote:

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:Yo, Sabrblade (or anyone else for that matter): does Blurr have the same voice as his Rescue bots version? I can't really tell

PrymeStriker wrote:What I'd like to know, from anyone who bothered keeping up with Rescue Bots (*cough*Sabrblade*cough*), is if Blurr's voice is the same.

Cease and desist: stop thinking my thoughts.

that was really strange....

Kurona wrote:That's true, but that scene had a lot of weight and surprise to it because we'd gone over 50 episodes with Soundwave having never spoken. Because he never spoke that made the moment that much more significant; it gave his taunting and victory that much more memorability. It worked because it's something he never did.

While it's true we only hear him speak once in the trailer, the context kinda tells me it's not something he does particularly sparingly anymore. It's just very disappointing to see pretty much everything original, unique and fresh about the TFP version of Soundwave stripped away just to appeal to G1 nostalgia.

Oh no, wait, I mean, uh, as a return to how he was in the High Moon games. Yeah, that's definitely what they're going for and definitely why he looks like this.

That's exactly what I was going to say. One of the best parts of Soundwave's character in Prime was his eerie silence, it actually made him a bit terrifying. His one line was one of my favorites through the whole show. It's also going to be a bit weird since he didn't talk at all in the RiD episode where he came back from the Shadow Zone.

Anyone else wondering who Soundwave is speaking to?

Its official, that is rescue bots Blurr!

Kurona wrote:Man, now Soundwave has his G1 voice too? I miss TFP Soundwave...

Yup the G1 Soundwave design and voice are really overused and I'm sick of him which is surprising because I don't mind Optimus Prime and Bumblebee that much even though neither are my fave characters since my brain is weird and never loves the main character of anything only side characters end up becoming my fave.

Also at least Prime and Bee do change in design sometimes outside of colors such as the difference between Animated Bee, Prime Bee and Rid Bee make him a bit fresher unlike Soundwave who has only ever had one role in his appearances as the loyal emotionless sound guy and is always the same now boring blue look.

Say what you will about movie Soundwave but at least his voice was a bit different without the vocoder and his design was different such as being a satellite in ROTF which makes a lot of sense and then in DOTM his car design was used to you know actually be a disguise and DOTM Soundwave's arm speakers were so bad ass I want to see them again.

Also his vocoder voice is so damn old and boring now as well as the fact I can't understand half the things he is actually saying because a communications officer with a vital role requiring communicating information should obviously not have a clear voice that everyone can understand.

IDW Soundwave right now has the best version of him ever even with the boring blue look.

If you guys can't tell I'm sick of Soundwave.

PrymeStriker wrote:What I'd like to know, from anyone who bothered keeping up with Rescue Bots (*cough*Sabrblade*cough*), is if Blurr's voice is the same.

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:Yo, Sabrblade (or anyone else for that matter): does Blurr have the same voice as his Rescue bots version? I can't really tell

Okay, okay, guys! Sheesh.

Yeah, from what little we can hear in that clip, it does kinda sound like Max Mittelman is reprising his role as Blurr, thoughh Mittelman does have one of those voices that kinda sounds like a lot of people's voices.

Here's a video with a good amount of dialogue from Blurr in Rescue Bots. Y'all can compare his "I just did!" line from that video with how he sounds in this:



Though, of note is how Sideswipe knows Blurr in this trailer and distinctly uses the word "rescue".

As for Soundwave's voice, Frank Welker used the same Dr. Claw voice for G1 Soundwave, ROTF/DOTM Soundwave, and Prime Soundwave. The difference between the three is just how much of a vocoder effect was placed over it. Here, it's used to a much greater extent than it was in ROTF, DOTM, and Prime.

Compare the following with each other:



Watch the beginning and end of the second video.

I still haven't seen the 2nd season, get a move on Netflix (UK).

You stand two decepticons on top of each other, they'll find a way to combine.


I don't mind the vocoder effect on g1 and prime sounswave, but wfc, animated and this clip overdoes it. It's too difficult to understand him. I'm glad he didn't have it in the movies. Cybertron soundwave was... Borderline ok.

Sabrblade wrote:Though, of note is how Sideswipe knows Blurr in this trailer and distinctly uses the word "rescue".

I noticed that too. We finally get an actual Rescue Bots character in another series and with a good generations toy! There is hope for the others!

"You have done well."

I never thought about it, but I guess his voice can be hard to understand. I still like it though. The silence thing was cool (they used it in IDW too) but it makes it pretty difficult to put him in a command position.


And I like things being different from G1, but when you're changing a character's voice, appearance, role, personality... and *not* as part of dynamic characterization (as in IDW, where Soundwave has become different with time)... there's only so many things you can change before it becomes clear you're just reusing the name for trademark purposes.

Insurgent wrote:You stand two decepticons on top of each other, they'll find a way to combine.


I don't mind the vocoder effect on g1 and prime sounswave, but wfc, animated and this clip overdoes it. It's too difficult to understand him. I'm glad he didn't have it in the movies. Cybertron soundwave was... Borderline ok.

I totally agree that Animated Soundwave overdid it. It was the first time I noticed that.

I can think of one reason to justify Soundwave's vocoder-enhanced voice. We all recognize that his new body is a closer match to his original Cybertronian body from WFC/FOC right? I mean, it's basically no different from how Starscream's new look was called out by Bumblebee as Screamer "going back to [his] old body style", in reference to how Starscream now looks like his more G1-based Cybertronian body from WFC/FOC, complete with forward-spread wings in his altmode, even. Thus, if Soundwave goes back to looking how he did back in WFC/FOC, would it not make sense for him to also go back to sounding like he did back in WFC/FOC (albeit, while keeping the same voice actor he had for his present day appearances, also like Starscream did)? Maybe the emhanced vocoder effect just comes with the body.

I suppose, but High Moon and TFP being connected in the first place was dumb for so many reasons and hence it made more sense to completely disregard it.

It made sense for Starscream. Going for a new body - especially one that gives off this feeling of regality and power - to fit his new kinda leadership rule fits that character immensely, and there were no significant changes to him other than that he was now free to do whatever he liked and holy heck was he going to go for power now that he can do whatever he liked. Helps that the body type isn't awfully different either - made sense, fit the character, only thing slightly offputting is that the colour schemes are of course vastly different but the TFP colour scheme was so dull and boring that I really don't mind.

Soundwave... has retained just about nothing about how he was in TFP. That's why it's frustrating.

Kurona wrote:Soundwave... has retained just about nothing about how he was in TFP. That's why it's frustrating.

But that doesnt matter since we already saw Soundwave in RID being directly like he was in TFP so you can have something way more radical since we already know that he's the same guy.

Also, his headsculpt is from TFP.

william-james88 wrote:

Kurona wrote:Soundwave... has retained just about nothing about how he was in TFP. That's why it's frustrating.

But that doesnt matter since we already saw Soundwave in RID being directly like he was in TFP so you can have something way more radical since we already know that he's the same guy.

Also, his headsculpt is from TFP.

That's... not really the point. It's not exactly like a quota has to be filled; it's not like Beast Machines Rhinox would have been fine if I had seen Rhinox being as he was in Beast Wars in the first few episodes. In fact that probably would have made me more annoyed than anything; that they can get him right and consistent but they chose not to because reasons.

And this isn't radical. At all. This is just G1 Soundwave but he has TFP's head which just looks bad on that body.

It's a fine design and I'm fine with them going G1... as long as it doesn't replace something much more original and fresh. That's what I'm taking issue with.

But how do we even know that he's going to break his vow of silence to the point of him going back to speaking regularly, instead of simply remaining a bot of few words? It was only one brief little line that we heard in the trailer, not a swath of chatterbox dialogue. Everyone here who says he's gone back to speaking at length like every other character is jumping to conclusions without fully knowing all of the facts yet.

Kurona wrote:And this isn't radical. At all. This is just G1 Soundwave but he has TFP's head which just looks bad on that body.

It's a fine design and I'm fine with them going G1... as long as it doesn't replace something much more original and fresh. That's what I'm taking issue with.

This is G1 Soundwave



It looks nothing like this



So how is he G1? The only thing in common with G1 soundwave is his colour.

Thats like saying this guy is just G1 Optimus Prime with Optimus Primal's head

william-james88 wrote:Thats like saying this guy is just G1 Optimus Prime with Optimus Primal's head

Wouldn't be the first time.

Oh come on WJ, seriously? It's extremely clear that it's modelled after and is meant to evoke the G1 version of the character in colour scheme, design elements and other such traits to cash in on nostalgia. I don't even have to make guesswork here when that is literally what they say in interviews and design process videos.
I'm not meaning that it's literally the G1 toy or cartoon design. I'm saying that it's designed after G1 Soundwave - or WfC/FoC Soundwave if you really want to push that angle - rather than the actual character they're supposed to be. None of this evokes the character we saw through TFP's run in the slightest and it's just annoying that it's pandering to G1 nostalgia once again even though we have an entire other toyline for that, which judging by the fact it gets a Titan every year probably has the most budget allocated to it. It'd just be really, really nice to for once see a fresh original idea in this franchise stay that way without everything having to revert back to how it was in a cynical 20-minute toy advertisement from 33 years ago.

And I'm sure someone's gonna point out that this does represent the character it's supposed to be because WfC/FoC even though that being in TFP's timeline has never made any bloody sense and would never have been a thing if Hasbro hadn't said it was and hastily shoved it in there. Ugh.

Sabrblade wrote:But how do we even know that he's going to break his vow of silence to the point of him going back to speaking regularly, instead of simply remaining a bot of few words? It was only one brief little line that we heard in the trailer, not a swath of chatterbox dialogue. Everyone here who says he's gone back to speaking at length like every other character is jumping to conclusions without fully knowing all of the facts yet.

So why are they not saving it for the show like they did with Prime? He might not talk much but it's clear he will be talking more though and all for the sake of G1 pandering to people who really should move on.

I can't believe were only seeing Bludgeon maybe getting a spot on a show now it's crazy to think someone as popular as him has not been used that much.

Can we get more of stuff like him and Twinferno you know characters who have never actually been in a English speaking show?

Besides the only constents that make sense (Megs, Prime, Bee for kids) How about less Soundwaves, Shockwaves, Starscreams, Arcees, Ratchets, Bulkheads, Sideswipes and maybe more of characters like Bludgeon, Thunderwing, Mindwipe, Nightbeat, Getaway or Punch the most underused interesting idea for Transformers.

How about this guy he looks cool.



Seriously though why has there never been another double spy like Punch in like ever like not even IDW have used the guy?

Deadput wrote:I can't believe were only seeing Bludgeon maybe getting a spot on a show now it's crazy to think someone as popular as him has not been used that much.

Can we get more of stuff like him and Twinferno you know characters who have never actually been in a English speaking show?

Uhh...



Yes, that counts as a show.

william-james88 wrote:
This is G1 Soundwave



It looks nothing like this

Looks as much as G1 Soundwave as WFc or Animated which were based around the original guy.

So yeah still ain't anything original about it besides the head sculpt way to be nitpicky.

And wow-wee another truck or car that doesn't look like it could be a disguise but at least it ain't an outdated tape deck.

Can we have more Machine Wars Soundwaves or perhaps just a new more interesting color for him like how Rid Grimlock is green.

Sabrblade wrote:

Deadput wrote:I can't believe were only seeing Bludgeon maybe getting a spot on a show now it's crazy to think someone as popular as him has not been used that much.

Can we get more of stuff like him and Twinferno you know characters who have never actually been in a English speaking show?

Uhh...



Yes, that counts as a show.

Hahahahahahahaha

Sure if you want to be specific but that was a rather bad web series not on tv with one appearance from him in which he did what again?

It does remind me of Smolder though which was the one episode I enjoyed in fact how about we get something like him with something like Barricade to be characters who turn the rule of rescue vehicles being good guys into something ironic.

Deadput wrote:Sure if you want to be specific but that was a rather bad web series

It still counts, nonetheless. Just cuz it was bad doesn't negate it. I mean, people don't pretend that no one ever appeared in Energon despite that show being awful. We're not that willfully blind.

Deadput wrote:with one appearance from him

Dude was in three episodes, which is more than some of other the Cons from that show got.

Sabrblade wrote:It still counts, nonetheless. Just cuz it was bad doesn't negate it. I mean, people don't pretend that no one ever appeared in Energon despite that show being awful. We're not that willfully blind.

Deadput wrote:with one appearance from him

Dude was in three episodes, which is more than some of other the Cons from that show got.

I mean it counts but I doubt anyone would say it was a "tv" show like Energon or Animated or Prime (ugh) or Rid.

Also me forgetting him being in those other two episodes sure do show how much of an impact he left.

Which was none because he did not do jack squat besides fight Ironhide a little and run off into the void that forgotten ideas end up I bet he's having a good ole time with Punch.

Deadput wrote:Also me forgetting him being in those other two episodes sure do show how much of an impact he left.

Or how "memorable" the show itself was.

Sabrblade wrote:

Deadput wrote:Also me forgetting him being in those other two episodes sure do show how much of an impact he left.

Or how "memorable" the show itself was.

Which is what I mean.

Why can't we have shows that we remember fondly anymore or video games or heck the comics are starting to go down hill (Lost Light is the biggest waste of time and how IDW have been treating Alex Milne is unacceptable)

I have not been emotionally invested in a Transformers show since Animated and Prime before the first episode came out and pulled a cheap take that with Clffjumper which really should of been Arcee the hypocritical whiner and Bulkhead the just there guy which that and the show being relic hunts, relic hunts, relic hunts,it's entire unused potential and the show's staff's complete refusal to do what Hasbro wanted with the aligned continuity which screwed it all up like for example their denial about the Nemesis being Trypticon despite the whole point of him in FOC was to connect the games with the show but no the show staff were a bunch of pricks who got into consent infighting like what the hell to do with the Decepticons and the show being unable to raise the stakes before resetting everything to ground zero by the show's end.

All that made me detest it and you know how some people get unrationally angry about the Bay movies That's how I feel every time Prime is brought up and it gets praised for like it's the Star Wars Clone Wars of Transformers and the best thing since G1 but then again G1 was nothing fantastic beyond a standard Saturday cartoon.

I feel like I'm only watching Transformers as an obligation due to my love for the franchise at least the parts I grew up with and how there is nothing else besides Star Wars from my childhood still around.

Sorry for ranting but I'm just going crazy with how the writers seem to be unable to do anything new without making the old fans of G1 demand blood and are forced to recycle and the show's quality has to suffer for it.

Kurona wrote:Oh come on WJ, seriously? It's extremely clear that it's modelled after and is meant to evoke the G1 version of the character in colour scheme, design elements and other such traits to cash in on nostalgia. I don't even have to make guesswork here when that is literally what they say in interviews and design process videos.

I dont know why you are letting Hasbro tell you what to think. It was clear from where that started that the whole G1 thing was just a marketting stunt to get some fans back who were dissing the show. Its not different than when Peter Cullen says that the Optimus we see in the films is the same character as the g1 Optimus Prime he played. We can see past the BS on both occasions. And plus, it didnt work, all fans on facebook bitched about this new soundwave saying it was not g1 enough. So in tne end, regardless what is said on paper, its our opinions that win out. And the majority of G1 fans say this new Soundwave isnt G1 for shit. And my personal verdict is that only the colours are really remenescent of G1 Soundwave. If he was green we wouldnt be arguing, which I think is proof enough of how different the design for this new toy is.

I dont know why you or others are flustered with Prime Soundwave changing since Prime is over. Bumblebee changed design, so did Starscream and so did Optimus Prime, I fail to see why Soundwave cant be a new design as well. It doesnt take away from anything, its not like Hasbro went to everyone's house and replaced their Prime Soundwave toys with this one or went to change all appearance of Prime Soundwave in the Prime cartoon and inserted this new design instead.

I look past all fiction and go straight to the essense of it, the toys. And when you look at it that way, its just another take on a familiar character, different than all the others so far, in a new style for a new line. There's a G1 BB who look different from Prime BB who looks different from RID BB. A G1 optimus who look different from Prime Optimus who looks different from RID Optimus. And a G1 Starscream who look different from Prime Starscream who looks different from RID Starscream. And finally now we have an RID Soundwave who look different from Prime Soundwave who looks different from G1 Soundwave.

I really fail to see how Soundwave should fare any different than all the other iconic characters. New show, new body, new design, new toy. Yay!

william-james88 wrote:I dont know why you or others are flustered with Prime Soundwave changing since Prime is over. Bumblebee changed design, so did Starscream and so did Optimus Prime, I fail to see why Soundwave cant be a new design as well. It doesnt take away from anything, its not like Hasbro went to everyone's house and replaced their Prime Soundwave toys with this one or went to change all appearance of Prime Soundwave in the Prime cartoon and inserted this new design instead.

I think people are upset not because they changed Soundwave's look at all, but more that the new look is too drastic a change to his look. Soundwave's look in Prime was a unique design among most Soundwave designs, being sleek, nimble, and overall stealthy with an almost ninja-like quality to it. There's really no other Soundwave design quite like it. But his new design is, by stark contrast, a rather boxy, bruisin, hulking figure that is the polar opposite of Soundwave's Prime design, despite the two looks intending to be for the same character. Not helping thing further is how Soundwave even reappeared in a Season 2 episode not too long ago with the exact same design he had in Prime completely unchanged, making his sudden new look feel even more jarring since the likes of Bumblebee, Optimus, Starscream, etc. all started out by being in their new looks from the get-go. And further unlike Soundwave, all of those characters' new designs stayed true to the spirit of their previous looks and the kind of characters they each were before and are now. Whereas Soundwave's new hulking physique, one could argue, completely betrays the silent ninja-like veneer he had before (even in the Season 2 episode), as it instead evokes the sense of his being a macho brawler, which isn't what this Soundwave is supposed to call to mind.

But RID is a sequel to Prime, and in RID we saw Soundwave look like this:

Va'al wrote:But RID is a sequel to Prime, and in RID we saw Soundwave look like this:

Like i said, I am looking at this from a toyline perspective. New line, new look, new toy. Its my response to every argument regarding this character/toy. Do people want them to rerelease the older Prime toy? Plus, why cant soundwave get a new body too, like Starscream did? And regarldess of it being a sequel it doesnt harm the original for fans who liked it. Is that Darth Vader scene at the end of Rogue One any less cool because that guy was once a crying Hayden Christiansen?

And, continuity wise, Soundwave had to be unchanged in that episode since he cant change body in the phantom zone (or wahtever they called it). But looks like he got out and got a new body.

william-james88 wrote:

Va'al wrote:But RID is a sequel to Prime, and in RID we saw Soundwave look like this:

Like i said, I am looking at this from a toyline perspective. New line, new look, new toy. Its my response to every argument regarding this character/toy. Do people want them to rerelease the older Prime toy? Plus, why cant soundwave get a new body too, like Starscream did?

No one is saying he shouldn't get a new look at all. The thing people take issue with Soundwave's new look is how drastically the new look clashes with his previous look that he still had not too long ago.

Sabrblade wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Va'al wrote:But RID is a sequel to Prime, and in RID we saw Soundwave look like this:

Like i said, I am looking at this from a toyline perspective. New line, new look, new toy. Its my response to every argument regarding this character/toy. Do people want them to rerelease the older Prime toy? Plus, why cant soundwave get a new body too, like Starscream did?

No one is saying he shouldn't get a new look at all. The thing people take issue with Soundwave's new look is how drastically the new look clashes with his previous look that he still had not too long ago.

Ding ding ding.

An opinion which is perfectly allowed. It does not detract from the toy being good, if it is, and does not make the toy automatically bad, if it is. But it is a reasonable complaint people might - and do - have.

Exactly. I would have very well welcomed this Soundwave taking on a new look that fits the character, but this is so far from how he used to look that it just doesn't work. It's a cool-looking toy in a vacuum, yes - though I have no idea why 'just look at it from a pure toy perspective' is relevant at all in a thread specifically about the fiction - but it doesn't evoke the character.

And regardless of how well G1 fans accept it, it is a design meant to evoke and remind people of the G1 character and toy rather than the TFP character and toy.


Still, I think I got a little too heated earlier, so I apologise.

Kurona wrote:Still, I think I got a little too heated earlier, so I apologise.

No worries, and I apologise as well since I didnt realize this was the cartoon thread and not the toy thread so my opinion of judging it in a vacum of a seperate toyline doesnt really add anything to a conversation on fiction.

But now you guys got me thinking that toys and their fictional counterparts can be in seperate vacums and that now gives me a whole new dimension to possible lists.

Like Bumblebee and Soundwave, who have different interpratations depending on the media they are on.

You know who wouldnt be in a top 5 fictional takes on Optimus list? RID Optimus Prime.

william-james88 wrote:You know who wouldnt be in a top 5 fictional takes on Optimus list? RID Optimus Prime.

I dunno, I thought Fire Convoy was pretty cool.