SDCC 2014 Coverage: Generations: Combiner Wars Superion and Menasor!

Scramble City LIVES!!!! (and not for the first time, either!)

At least this time they used a larger figure for the center torso. They're better proportioned now.

I like Superion. I think I'm ready to retire FansProject's Superion in favour of this.

I do not like Menasor. I will keep FP's.

I'm curious to see the rest of the reveals... under an hour to go.

These two are a step in the right direction, but not characters I particularly care about so I'll be passing on them.

I quite like the idea of Legends figures lending some support.

I really like them both, but where in the name of Unicron is my Devastator with Prowl as the head???

Not bad. It'll be interesting to see how they look transformed properly, especially Superion's arms...are they that long or can they be configured better? Superion's legs look hella silly though

Time to put my negative nancy hat on-I'm super miffed Motormaster is a prime re-paint! MM should be his own bot. Proper miffed and cheesed off now
.....

Wait...does that mean Prime can combine with things? Does that mean if I make a Thunderclash from Prime...he could combine with things....?

Miffed status alleviating slightly...

It doesn't look like Motormaster is a redeco of the Generations Voyager Optimus Prime - the hinges and configurations are all wrong - but I could be wrong.

Menasor's blue chest gun looks a lot like G1 Skyhammer's gun, though...

I will buy everything!=D Agreed with Mkall though Superion is more awesome of the two

Want to see what they look like as individuals. They don't look that bad combined but I'm not real interested in either one.

(Also secretly hoping this leads to a Predaking down the line. I'll buy the crap out of an affordable Predaking.)

If Generations Prime was designed to later become a combiner...

... that raises some questions in my mind about Generations Chromia...

Super Megatron wrote:It doesn't look like Motormaster is a redeco of the Generations Voyager Optimus Prime - the hinges and configurations are all wrong.

Had to borrow from the competition to prove this. It pains me to do this act.

Here it is, proof from General Tekno via TFW2005.

You know I think primes a pretool, and motormaster actually came first in the design process.

SW's SilverHammer wrote:You know I think primes a pretool, and motormaster actually came first in the design process.

Makes sense and it only reinforces the fact that Optimus will be forever tied to his rival.

I'm not that miffed about as I have Henkei Convoy already and thus have a separate entity from Motorbreath. Remember, AoE Evoution 2-pack for those that don't

And I'm predicting 4 teams, given that Hasbro has said there will be 16 Deluxes in all.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote: And I'm predicting 4 teams, given that Hasbro has said there will be 16 Deluxes in all.

As unlikely as it is, Ima roll a hard six, and bet on monstructor.

I like what I am seeing so far.

Why is this happening? What did we do to deserve this?
We are not worthy!

Not really digging Menasor, but that's okay because I never really liked him anyway. Superion's looking pretty cool. Once he comes out I'll probably move the FP one to the Energon shelf where it sort of belongs.

SW's SilverHammer wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote: And I'm predicting 4 teams, given that Hasbro has said there will be 16 Deluxes in all.

As unlikely as it is, Ima roll a hard six, and bet on monstructor.

I'd say Superion, Menasor, Defensor, and a Bruticus that doesn't suck are most likely. Still gonna hope for Predaking.

These are the most encouraging things I've seen since the announcement of Metroplex. A serious step in the right direction. Bravo!

I seriously see myself using that Superion, and expect it to not look at all out of place amongst my 3rd Party combiners. Finally - an Autobot combiner for my collection (I've been lukewarm on the 3rd Party ones). I think I'll hold onto my FP M3/Intimidator for now. Honestly, my biggest nitpick with Hasbro's version are the horns. They're a bit off. I'll still pick up the Menasor set for their bot modes, though.

I definitely think "Combiner Wars" is a tongue-in-cheek reference to Hasbro taking it to the 3rd Parties. This is awesome.

Twitchythe3rd wrote:

SW's SilverHammer wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote: And I'm predicting 4 teams, given that Hasbro has said there will be 16 Deluxes in all.

As unlikely as it is, Ima roll a hard six, and bet on monstructor.

I'd say Superion, Menasor, Defensor, and a Bruticus that doesn't suck are most likely. Still gonna hope for Predaking.

I don't think we'll be getting the Protectobots as there's a set of them already in the works. The Combaticons... too soon after FoC?

Seibertron is currently attending the Hasbro Transformers panel at SDCC, where new, current and older products are being discussed! Find below a summary of the event as it comes through, with images, notes, comments and whatever is sent our way.

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The panel has Hasbro's Sarah Carroll, designer Sean Carmine Isabella, IDW's John Barber, and Global Marketing Director Jerry Jivoin.

New Kre-o Transformers
Build it and can transform it without taking it apart! Showed Bumblebee and Optimus Prime

Movie Generations
Platinum Edition Grimlock Prime 2 pack is coming out to Kmart
Masterpiece Grimlock might be coming back to TRU!
G1 deco Slog will be an Amazon exclusive to go with the SDCC set

Generations 2015
(Make sure to check out the sneak peek galleries posted earlier!)

Combiner Wars is the theme for 2015, artwork by Livio Ramondelli.

Image from IDW Facebook

Video by Seibertron!

Combiner limbs are triple changers: robot, vehicle, limb.
Barber: Deluxes will have in-pack comics - origin of Superion, then later waves.
Scramble city style interchangeable system!
Voyager Optimus Prime shown at BotCon combines with Combiners

Legends Wave 1: Powerglide, Thundercracker, Windcharger, Bombshell

Deluxe Wave 1: Firefly, Skydive, Alpha Bravo, Dragstrip
Deluxe Wave 2: Air Raid, Dead End, Breakdown, Offroad

Voyager Wave 1: Silverbolt, Optimus
Voyager Wave 2: Motormaster

Mike Vogle & Jeff Kline join the panel to talk about Rescue Bots Season 3

Transformers: Robots in Disguise

Same core creative team as Transformers: Prime, including Polygon Studios

Video by Seibertron!

Toys
One-Step Changers Wave 1: Sideswipe, Underbite (Con)
Legion Wave 1: Strongarm (Elite Guard female bot), Optimus Prime
Warriors Wave 1: Bee

Menasor kinda has thunder thighs going on. Not bad overall though- loving the head with those horns. Also there seems to be an extra Stunticon forming his chestplate. New character ahoy!

*Prepares for inevitable GEEWUN rage*

Superion looks good, although I think he actually looks a bit TOO G1-accurate. He looks hugely blocky and he's got the birthing hips of the G1 toy- which is not good (especially as IIRC those hips broke all the damn time). Also liking how the extra Aerialbot forms the gun, a la Seacons.

(Also, HasTak/3P take note: We need Seacons!)

What I'm not happy about is the hands and feet being separate pieces. Now granted they do seem to transform into weapons for the individual robots, but myself I'd rather the individual bots had good weapons and the combined form had claws/guns for hands like the Energon combiners than giving the combined form hugely hand-like hands (and oversized ones by the looks of things) resulting in unconvincing separate weapons.

Still, I'll wait for the in-hand images to decide on whether to get these or save up for Uranos and Intimidator. Alternatively I might just get the remaining figures I need for my Energon Superion (with a bit of finagling you can make the Windrazor into an arm with an elbow and a 4-fingered claw if you leave out the weird plank-thing). Because I love cannon hands.

Twitchythe3rd wrote:

SW's SilverHammer wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote: And I'm predicting 4 teams, given that Hasbro has said there will be 16 Deluxes in all.

As unlikely as it is, Ima roll a hard six, and bet on monstructor.

I'd say Superion, Menasor, Defensor, and a Bruticus that doesn't suck are most likely. Still gonna hope for Predaking.

They just did Bruticus as part of the FOC line. Do you really think they'd do another one so soon?

megatronus wrote:

Twitchythe3rd wrote:

SW's SilverHammer wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote: And I'm predicting 4 teams, given that Hasbro has said there will be 16 Deluxes in all.

As unlikely as it is, Ima roll a hard six, and bet on monstructor.

I'd say Superion, Menasor, Defensor, and a Bruticus that doesn't suck are most likely. Still gonna hope for Predaking.

They just did Bruticus as part of the FOC line. Do you really think they'd do another one so soon?

got something from a friend at the panel,
Combiners are scramble, and they're using a different system from the foc combiners

SW's SilverHammer wrote:

megatronus wrote:

Twitchythe3rd wrote:

SW's SilverHammer wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote: And I'm predicting 4 teams, given that Hasbro has said there will be 16 Deluxes in all.

As unlikely as it is, Ima roll a hard six, and bet on monstructor.

I'd say Superion, Menasor, Defensor, and a Bruticus that doesn't suck are most likely. Still gonna hope for Predaking.

They just did Bruticus as part of the FOC line. Do you really think they'd do another one so soon?

got something from a friend at the panel,
Combiners are scramble, and they're using a different system from the foc combiners

The point is they did the character fairly recently, not that these combiners use the same "system".

love the look of these guys, gonna be an addition to my stunticon shelf for sure. will decide wether this Menasor or Intimidator go on my classics shelf when this one comes out.

but one thing bothers me, why does Superion have a helicopter leg?

megatronus wrote:

SW's SilverHammer wrote:

megatronus wrote:

Twitchythe3rd wrote:

SW's SilverHammer wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote: And I'm predicting 4 teams, given that Hasbro has said there will be 16 Deluxes in all.

As unlikely as it is, Ima roll a hard six, and bet on monstructor.

I'd say Superion, Menasor, Defensor, and a Bruticus that doesn't suck are most likely. Still gonna hope for Predaking.

They just did Bruticus as part of the FOC line. Do you really think they'd do another one so soon?

got something from a friend at the panel,
Combiners are scramble, and they're using a different system from the foc combiners

The point is they did the character fairly recently, not that these combiners use the same "system".

I was just sharing something, wasn't about bruticus, just combiner wars

I'm reserving judgement on the combiners till we see the actual finished product. These were obviously rushed to be on the show floor and are still very much in the prototype stage. It does explain why the new Voyager Prime looked so bad though, it was designed to be Motormaster.

They're alright i guess. I'd probably buy them once refined.
Those feet on both combiners are pretty teeny weeny though. I'd like to NOT have to buy a 3rd party upgrade to fix that. That's my only gripe really.

It's Hasbro. It is what is. They FINALLY sorted out their combiners to become "reasonable" but too little too late if you ask me. I've seen WAAAY better combiner figs for years now with 3rd party stuff. It's like watching the slow kid in class finally figure out how to do long division after getting it wrong time after time ,failing, while everyone else blasts past him to the next grade.

Oh.....and why are those shoulder cannons pointing back at Superions head?
I also noticed how bad the hands are. No articulation and look how the weapons peg in!! They peg in to some silly little hole between his thumb and wrist. Look at that tiny wee axe in menasors hand ....or should i say hatchet. Yeesh. Keeep trying Hasbro. Please.

MGrotusque wrote:It's Hasbro. It is what is. They FINALLY sorted out their combiners to become "reasonable" but too little too late if you ask me. I've seen WAAAY better combiner figs for years now with 3rd party stuff. It's like watching the slow kid in class finally figure out how to do long division after getting it wrong time after time ,failing, while everyone else blasts past him to the next grade.

Because of course budget restrictions or the fact these need to be sold to kids (and thus be safety-tested and be relatively simple) has absolutely nothing to do with it. Nope. Must be that Hasblow can't do combiners and that Transformers should be given to iGear so we can have a masterful recreation of every animation blunder-induced variation in Optimus Prime's model.

Oh.....and why are those shoulder cannons pointing back at Superions head?

It's a hastily-readied prototype. It's not finished and it was awkwardly posed/transformed.

Menasor...Menasor... YYYYEEESSS!!!!!!!!!!!

Hasbro have tried to do combiners for years and still can't get it right. They might have finally done it with these but we will see when better, official pics get released. Yes, third parties can do better because they aren't designed with kids in mind. this is exactly why Hasbro needs to start looking into doing a high end line. they know the collectors are out there and are willing to drop the cash for great designed products but they are letting other companies rule the roost. They can still produce the kids stuff, I have no issue with that. The best example is LEGO. There is a company that mainly produces kids toys but they have a very successful collector range of large, expensive models that adults can buy and enjoy.

Delta Magnus wrote:

MGrotusque wrote:It's Hasbro. It is what is. They FINALLY sorted out their combiners to become "reasonable" but too little too late if you ask me. I've seen WAAAY better combiner figs for years now with 3rd party stuff. It's like watching the slow kid in class finally figure out how to do long division after getting it wrong time after time ,failing, while everyone else blasts past him to the next grade.

Because of course budget restrictions or the fact these need to be sold to kids (and thus be safety-tested and be relatively simple) has absolutely nothing to do with it. Nope. Must be that Hasblow can't do combiners and that Transformers should be given to iGear so we can have a masterful recreation of every animation blunder-induced variation in Optimus Prime's model.

Oh.....and why are those shoulder cannons pointing back at Superions head?

It's a hastily-readied prototype. It's not finished and it was awkwardly posed/transformed.

I know you think your being witty and super smart and i'm also a fan of sarcasm. But i think you've completely forgotten how pretty much every new combiner Hasbro has ever done in the past decade was almost a complete abomination of nonsense. Yes i understand about child safety laws and budget restrictions but that has nothing to do with properly proportioned and aesthetically pleasing combiners. The combiner formula was established in the 80's and they seemed to have completely forgotten how to do it till just now.

Combiners are looking good, even the Stunticons, now that I've seen pics of the individual figures. Still, I don't really collect Stunticons so I'll likely skip. The Aerialbots are looking very kibble-heavy, but what can you do. Something's gotta give, I'd rather have awesome bot & combiner modes and sacrifice a bit of vehicle mode realism. So far these are must-buys for me. I just hope Hasbro doesn't screw it up by making them neon colors or something like Fruiticus.

One thing I am really glad for is that they're kicking AoE to the curb instead of dragging it to death for 2+ years like the last few movie lines. Thank Primus.

I wonder if anyone got pics of the RiD2015 toys? Curious to see how they turn out. I may skip the line if it's mostly kid-focused, but I might pick up a few gems if there are any.

kirbenvost wrote:Combiners are looking good, even the Stunticons, now that I've seen pics of the individual figures. Still, I don't really collect Stunticons so I'll likely skip. The Aerialbots are looking very kibble-heavy, but what can you do. Something's gotta give, I'd rather have awesome bot & combiner modes and sacrifice a bit of vehicle mode realism. So far these are must-buys for me. I just hope Hasbro doesn't screw it up by making them neon colors or something like Fruiticus.

One thing I am really glad for is that they're kicking AoE to the curb instead of dragging it to death for 2+ years like the last few movie lines. Thank Primus.

I wonder if anyone got pics of the RiD2015 toys? Curious to see how they turn out. I may skip the line if it's mostly kid-focused, but I might pick up a few gems if there are any.

Great point.

Superion and Menasor look spectacularly awesome. However, I've got a bad feeling in the pit of my stomach that these figures would be cancelled or hard to find in stores like Thundertron. I just can't take this feeling from me.

Mindmaster wrote:

Nice for pointing that out!

I love it when Hasbro helps me save money by putting out stuff like this

Post updated with video clips!

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The new show reminds me of TRON: Uprising. Which makes sense, as they're animated by the same studio.

well the new show looks umm... odd

All I have to say about the combiners is, real hands, real feet, I'm in. I did notice on Superion that Powerglide just attaches to what looks like the classic gun so I'm glad I don't have to use it if I don't want to.

Kinda bummed that the assortments will be breaking up the teams, would've like one wave to be one team. Yes I am a bit worried that certain limbs will be hard to find.

Nice to hear we're getting Transforming Kreos, just as long as they're not built to rule.

Is that Platinum Prime/Grimlock set the leader set we saw at Bot Con? Word of advice, DON'T ORDER OFF KMART.COM trust me.

New combiners? Possible combiner action in the comics? I'm one happy fan Plus if most of you dont like them, then all the more for me

Also to whoever brought up Lego and their adult collector products, your forgetting one simple thing, those adult items are still made of Lego, which have gone through the safety tests etc. Hasbro can't just package what they normally make every day as an adult thing. Although having said that isn't he mmasterpiece line for? Hasbro seem to be doing fine the way they doing .thing

I hope these guys are available in a gift set, trying to track these guys down separately is gonna be a nightmare!

Beside that, nerdgasmic!

Just saw pics of new RiD toys. Bumblebee doesn't look too bad! The 1-step toys are obviously simplistic. This looks like it's going to be a line I can probably pick and choose a few from. If there's a larger Optimus Prime toy I'll get it, along with my usual favorites.

I recognize that cartoon art style. That's the same look as Di-Gata Defenders, Speed Racer: The Next Generation, Spider-Man: The New Animated Series, Iron Man: Armored Adventures, etc.

Poor Superion. Imagine having knee joints ABOVE the bottom of your hip pockets. Walking up stairs, hell even walking over bumpy ground is going to be hard work.


No nerdgasms over this one.

Menasor? Maybe. If the individual robots are unique and good.

Seibertron.com will shortly have images from the presentation too - watch this space!

Now the long, agonizingly-boring wait for new toys in the displays.

Am I the only one who noticed that the hands and the feet of the combiners are the same pieces? That's clearly the thumb on the back of the feet and the toes in front are the things protruding off the fists. The fingers flip out from under the foot like Kenzan's. I don't mind it at all though.

I'm really looking forward to these as I can get a whole combiner for the cost of one piece of a third party one. Factor in sales and the random coupon and you might even be able to get two for the price of a center piece.

Not only is the price just right, they really don't look that far off from Uranus or Intimidator. People just really need to get over themselves with all the Hasbro hate.

As for there possibly being four complete combiners, my money's on Computron and Predaking or Abominus. Computron is the current plaything of third party companies with a second version next year I believe. Predaking was the previous and two of the three aren't even completed yet. Abominus because Hasbro might want to get the jump on the third parties and also because the only other one is the Cyberverse version.

Or they could throw us a curveball and make Piranacon, Monstructor or Grimstone?. Well, there's also The Beast. lol