SDCC 2013 Coverage: Transformers Generations Voyager Whirl and Deluxe Dreadwing

No offense meant to anyone who likes the figure, but every new Generations toy I see reaffirms my recent decision to stop collecting everything except Masterpiece, the quality just doesn't seem to be there anymore when comparing these figures to those that come from earlier in the "classics" lines








'cept Metroplex of course

Aaaaaaannnnnnnnd pass.

I too was hoping for a MTMTE design.

Oh well. BRING ON THE BUILD-A-BOT RESULTS!

Okay the mistransformed IDW megatron mold is starting to get depressing

Starwave Prime wrote:No offense meant to anyone who likes the figure, but every new Generations toy I see reaffirms my recent decision to stop collecting everything except Masterpiece, the quality just doesn't seem to be there anymore when comparing these figures to those that come from earlier in the "classics" lines

No offense taken, but I respectfully disagree. At least in the voyagers' case - Springer is nearly indisputably awesome, and I love Blitzwing all the same. Guess we'll have to wait for Whirl to release before we get a final verdict either way.

I love how people are making decisions about it's "quality" and "size" when we haven't had it in hand or even SEEN IT next to anything well enough to compare it's size to yet.

Well that is horrible. I thought these were suppose to be IDW style figures. Man and I was so excited for IDW Whirl.

Good lord, I really hope Whirl is mistransformed. Something about his head just doesn't look right, either.

And actually, Dreadwing was on display at BotCon. On that note: good Lord, he's even more mistransformed than he was at BotCon!

RAcast wrote:I love how people are making decisions about it's "quality" and "size" when we haven't had it in hand or even SEEN IT next to anything well enough to compare it's size to yet.

This.

I'm kinda liking that Whirl, even though I'd much prefer a MtMtE version. That back shot has me worried the whole main rotor section could fall out a lot, reminds me too much of that dreadful RotF Blazemaster mold.

Seeing that Dreadwing makes me wonder how properly transformed everyone else is...

Oh man I just realized with the way Whirl looks I hate to see Tailgate. He was the main one I wanted in IDW style.

Mindmaster wrote:

RAcast wrote:I love how people are making decisions about it's "quality" and "size" when we haven't had it in hand or even SEEN IT next to anything well enough to compare it's size to yet.

This.

I mean, I could understand comments like "Hey, I think it looks good/bad because x, y, and z. And I like/dislike that it looks like IDW/G1 Whirl instead of ___ Whirl. Also I'm concerned about the weirdness with the shoulder struts, but I would assume that's some manner of mistransformation."

Comments like that? I totally get. But it's just silly to comment on the "quality" of a thing you know nothing about, unless you're from the future and have a production sample on hand.

phase wrote:

The Variable wrote:Slightly disappointed that they weren't using the IDW treatment for Whirl's design. I really like the VTOL mode he has there. But a Voyager scale update to the original toy is still full of awesome.

sixshot20 wrote:Man bit of a letdown I thought he was going to be like the MTMTE Whirl . He still looks nice as an updated G1 Whirl though.

The reason they couldn't do MTMTE Whirl is the fact that not only his skinny, curved legs would be hard to articulate, he'd be as top-heavy as Mega-class Cheetor, if not more-so. They could've done his pre-MTMTE design, though.

They could have easily put a new head and paint on the old generations springer and had MtMtE Whirl done really nice.

RAcast wrote:....unless you're from the future and have a production sample on hand.

...Yeah, haha, totally. Not like no one here is from the future or anything!

I'm thinking Whirl's legs can be reconfigured into a digitrade setup, like so:

Noideaforaname wrote:I'm thinking Whirl's legs can be reconfigured into a digitrade setup, like so:

whirllegs.jpg

Chicken legs ala Movie Starscream? Interesting. Did he have his legs like that in any media? I haven't read any of the comics, sadly.

So far, Whirl is a pass. I still like the Whirl repaint of Blackout with the custom Whirl head. What they really need to make is a decent Roadbuster for once. Like All Hail Megatron big.

who the hell transforms these things? i hope they know they lose customers because it makes the toy look like crap, and if i did not know it was mistransformed i would ate it. but since i know its mis transformed i can expect it to look a lot better when properly transformed. still looking forward to this toy.

I'm sure that, once transformed properly, that Whirl will be sweet. I'm liking most of what I see of it already. It triggers a G1 feeling, and I'm not sure why exactly, but it's the only one out of all the Generations unveils that I actually want to own. The rest are take it or leave it (reasons varying from crappy figure to already owning that mold/character) The Beast wars figures look the best so far, but I don't collect Transformers with organic beast modes.

Oh, and Trailbreak is awesome, so Hoist is as well.

I am no longer interested in Metroplex. Not until I can first own a Unicron that trumps it in size.

Mindmaster wrote:Chicken legs ala Movie Starscream? Interesting. Did he have his legs like that in any media? I haven't read any of the comics, sadly.

Yep, in the current MtMtE series he's got chicken legs, as well as a few other odd features.

Well, I for one really like him, and his GI Apache (Cobra?... not the villans, the helicopter) alt mode, but the shoulders worry me, and there's absolutely no attempt to hide rbot parts here the engine pods, and would itg have killed someone to put some kind of folding cover over his upper thighs to hid his waist joint in helicopter mode? Energon Bulkhead did it... Even something like Animated Megatron's leg covers would've been a little more effective than him running around with his thighs showing. And I do hope there's a better placve to mount those guns.

But then, I love that Whirl co,mes with FOUR different weapons.

Now, here's hoping for a Rotorstorm repaint!!

Noideaforaname wrote:

Mindmaster wrote:Chicken legs ala Movie Starscream? Interesting. Did he have his legs like that in any media? I haven't read any of the comics, sadly.

Yep, in the current MtMtE series he's got chicken legs, as well as a few other odd features.

mtmteWhirl.jpg

Ah, gotcha. Thanks!

It would be interesting if his legs are capable of doing that.

Well.... for all of you G1 only people, there's your damn G1.

Like others I was looking forward to an IDW Whirl. I do think he looks pretty good though. But he does look kinda outdated. I suppose he's too G1.

Never owned any Whirl toy, so I do find this interesting.

The whole tail section seems like a pretty big piece of kibble. I'm trying to see if it's just a case of mistransformation but I can't see any panels or anything.

Bought...On...Sight!

I'm glad they went this direction with him. I was so horribly disappointed with the repaint treatment they gave the combiner Wreckers and honestly, attempting to make the toys in exactly the same style as their MTMTE and RID comic counterparts would frustrate the toy designers and be a discredit to the comic artists when the finished product rolled out. This, going back to the basics of G1 designs, is going to make a LOT of collectors very happy. This is what the Classics/Generations line is all about anyways. Paying tribute to the originals but with some update to the design/articulation and I think this works splendidly. Those of you bitching about his appearance obviously don't seem to care that the "Generations" label is boldly displayed at the top of the packaging. Go back to your Mega-Zords if you want something totally unrelated to the origins of this franchise.

Now bring on Road Buster and give us Twin Twist and Top Spin done RIGHT because the combiner versions of all those figures were just insulting.

This is certainly a surprise. I was totally expecting to see the designs from the MTMTE comics, just like Springer.

Despite the mistransformation, it looks like it could look pretty good. I just hope that shortened tail in alt mode is also a mistransformation.

Not a fan of the G1 colors, to be honest.

If I can get my hands on the more affordable Hasbro version, as opposed to the Takara versions my hobby store tends to bring in, this thing is getting repainted in olive drab for an original character custom.

I really like the look of Whirl. There is at least some minor mistransformation happening on the display but basically, it looks like it is very much hearkening back to the G1 toy design. I'm very curious about the transformation for the toy.

Nice to see it in color, hopefully his eye gets painted in, but if not, that's an easy fix.

The GeeWunner in me has a major "toy boner" for this figure!

Well he does appear to possibly have trigger created propeller spinning in alt mode, that's important right?

I'll buy it and may end up liking it. The thing about a Rotorstorm reprint could be cool, but with the club doing MW Sandstorm using the DOTM Skyhammer mold, I'd rather see the club also tackle Rotorstorm and give him a new head. It would be a nice circular relationship similar to how the Rotorstorm mold was originally reprinted into MW Sandstorm.

Anyway, this makes all of my 3 rd party Whirl kits now useless.

tigertracks 24 wrote:
Anyway, this makes all of my 3 rd party Whirl kits now useless.

Oh man, that's a good call. How many of those are there? Eight?

For me, this is one of the most exciting reveals this year. G1 Whirl was one of my favorites, and one of the few larger figures to survive my childhood. I've been trying to buy the "Classic" version of every one of my remaining childhood TFs, and Whirl is one of the holes I have left to fill. (heh heh)

The fact that he resembles the original so much is just icing on the cake! I'm super excited for this figure.

This has just re-affirmed not getting FOC repaints. While there are things that could be better obviously, I feel this mold is as good as it's going to get for the forseable future. He can stand by Generations Springer, Universe Roadbuster, and Classics Ultra Magnus.

I'm all over this. After the Botcon news I figured he would be more MTMTE, but I'm actually happy he's not. The current comic design is a little too weird for me. I love the G1-inspired look. Reminds me of Energon Bulkhead, which is actually a good thing to me. I'm sure he's a bit mistransformed, but I definitely like what I see.

Now iv'e looked at him two dozen times i actually want whirl 2 things i also have problems with his shoulder connector the thin black bits and his arms are just wrong but some reason i just gotta have it.

Looks odd, even for Whirl. I hope he's mistransformed, but I guess we'll see when it's in hand. Oh well, at least we have the deluxe

Yo guys, he's definitely all kinds of mistransformed. Here's the official product images for Whirl:



I'm also certain that I read somewhere on TFW2005 that he's also capable of having chicken legs. I'm probably wrong, but something to keep in mind.

Wow he actually looks...better!

I'm just gonna move him from "pass" to "iffy" on my wishlist.

I don't want to hear any claims of being mis-transformed or badly posed; there's nothing that can save this Whirl figure for me. It just looks too different from any other Transformer figure found on the shelves today.

Dreadwing still looks good, if mis-transformed.

Sodan-1 wrote:I don't want to hear any claims of being mis-transformed or badly posed; there's nothing that can save this Whirl figure for me. It just looks too different from any other Transformer figure found on the shelves today.

Dreadwing still looks good, if mis-transformed.

It's always weird to me to hear people say things that are diametrically opposed to something a GEEWUNER would say.

What do you collect, Sodan?

Im all for figures that homage there G1 counterpart but dear lord.....

Mindmaster wrote:Yo guys, he's definitely all kinds of mistransformed. Here's the official product images for Whirl:



I'm also certain that I read somewhere on TFW2005 that he's also capable of having chicken legs. I'm probably wrong, but something to keep in mind.

That looks way better than horrible, but still not IDW enough like I was expecting. It does at least bring back fond memories of being 8yrs old

Now here's the thing, he looks so very much like the original toy which along with its design is still owned by Bandai.
So wouldn't this be pretty much the exact same thing as all the 3rd Party figures by FP, iGear, and co, which are apparently so very very evil?

I still don't understand why this is based on the original toy instead of the idw design like most of the other figures, I thought Generations current incarnation was supposed to be idw.

That said I still think he looks epic.

Dead Metal wrote:Now here's the thing, he looks so very much like the original toy which along with its design is still owned by Bandai.
So wouldn't this be pretty much the exact same thing as all the 3rd Party figures by FP, iGear, and co, which are apparently so very very evil?

I still don't understand why this is based on the original toy instead of the idw design like most of the other figures, I thought Generations current incarnation was supposed to be idw.

That said I still think he looks epic.

It's a mix of both the G1 design and the IDW design. The head and legs are IDW-based, while the rest of it is G1 Whirl.

Retro-kick! I want this guy on my shelf today!

I really really like the design of this figure.

Dead Metal wrote:Now here's the thing, he looks so very much like the original toy which along with its design is still owned by Bandai.
So wouldn't this be pretty much the exact same thing as all the 3rd Party figures by FP, iGear, and co, which are apparently so very very evil?

I still don't understand why this is based on the original toy instead of the idw design like most of the other figures, I thought Generations current incarnation was supposed to be idw.

That said I still think he looks epic.

The design of this figure and your argument completely deflates others' speculation that MP Soundwave could not be done because Takara/Hasbro do not own the rights to the original toy.

Stormrider wrote:I really really like the design of this figure.

Dead Metal wrote:Now here's the thing, he looks so very much like the original toy which along with its design is still owned by Bandai.
So wouldn't this be pretty much the exact same thing as all the 3rd Party figures by FP, iGear, and co, which are apparently so very very evil?

I still don't understand why this is based on the original toy instead of the idw design like most of the other figures, I thought Generations current incarnation was supposed to be idw.

That said I still think he looks epic.

The design of this figure and your argument completely deflates others' speculation that MP Soundwave could not be done because Takara/Hasbro do not own the rights to the original toy.

?
Last I checked Soundwave's original toy originated from Takara's Microchange toyline. If Takara didn't own the rights to that, we probably wouldn't have gotten an MP Megatron, or reissues of either of the originals for that matter.

Dead Metal wrote:

Stormrider wrote:I really really like the design of this figure.

Dead Metal wrote:Now here's the thing, he looks so very much like the original toy which along with its design is still owned by Bandai.
So wouldn't this be pretty much the exact same thing as all the 3rd Party figures by FP, iGear, and co, which are apparently so very very evil?

I still don't understand why this is based on the original toy instead of the idw design like most of the other figures, I thought Generations current incarnation was supposed to be idw.

That said I still think he looks epic.

The design of this figure and your argument completely deflates others' speculation that MP Soundwave could not be done because Takara/Hasbro do not own the rights to the original toy.

?
Last I checked Soundwave's original toy originated from Takara's Microchange toyline. If Takara didn't own the rights to that, we probably wouldn't have gotten an MP Megatron, or reissues of either of the originals for that matter.

Not to mention that ridiculous Linkin Park version of G1 Soundwave.

RAcast wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:

Stormrider wrote:I really really like the design of this figure.

Dead Metal wrote:Now here's the thing, he looks so very much like the original toy which along with its design is still owned by Bandai.
So wouldn't this be pretty much the exact same thing as all the 3rd Party figures by FP, iGear, and co, which are apparently so very very evil?

I still don't understand why this is based on the original toy instead of the idw design like most of the other figures, I thought Generations current incarnation was supposed to be idw.

That said I still think he looks epic.

The design of this figure and your argument completely deflates others' speculation that MP Soundwave could not be done because Takara/Hasbro do not own the rights to the original toy.

?
Last I checked Soundwave's original toy originated from Takara's Microchange toyline. If Takara didn't own the rights to that, we probably wouldn't have gotten an MP Megatron, or reissues of either of the originals for that matter.

Not to mention that ridiculous Linkin Park version of G1 Soundwave.

Yea, that still manages to piss me off.

Dead Metal wrote:Now here's the thing, he looks so very much like the original toy which along with its design is still owned by Bandai.
So wouldn't this be pretty much the exact same thing as all the 3rd Party figures by FP, iGear, and co, which are apparently so very very evil?

Just like Classics Jetfire is a third-party Valkyrie

I love that he's such a departure from the rest of the line, that exactly how the G1 toy was. G1 Whirl sticks out like a sore thumb in a G1 collection, but he's a Transformer none the less. Glad they went this route.