Running Change Found in Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Starscream - Added Chest Pin

Look, can we not jump to conclusions just yet? Who knows if either this is a modded and returned figure or the guy who tweeted it modded it himself and decided to be a dick and act like it's an official running change.

That's two pins and not a single pin. There's a HUGE difference between the two with this figure. As someone who has modified mine two days ago when I bought it, it's not that simple to just drill out holes on the grey armature and shove a single pin in. You also need to trim off some plastic along the inner collar piece that covers the hinge on the back of the neck plate while in tetra jet mode. You don't need to do this when putting two pins in.

It also looks like those pins are a bit too long and generally pins put in by the manufacturers tend to be on the short side as to not have metal jutting out of the figures for people to cut themselves on. If you were to push those pins in further so that they don't stick out the sides of the chest plate then you run back into the problem I had when putting a single pin in. They'll bump into the piece I talked about earlier that I had to cut off. So to me, it seems that this is someone's attempt at a mod.

And this is a picture of my mod that I posted on a few Facebook groups yesterday.

SgtNateV wrote:Look, can we not jump to conclusions just yet? Who knows if either this is a modded and returned figure or the guy who tweeted it modded it himself and decided to be a dick and act like it's an official running change.

With multiple reports?

How fitting that when I saw saw this, I instantly thought of Emgo's review of the very figure that they made the improvement to it. It is reviewers like Emgo they brings up the topic with toy makers, the issue of Quality Control. I am glad to see the toy makers, are in fact, responding to them on this.

A thousand apologies, but it's been recently discovered that it’s entirely possible that it might not be a running change, but a modification by the OP themselves.

Sorry about this development...

I searched another Walmart tonight, and found a single Wave 2 Deluxe SIEGE figure on the pegs. It happened to be Prowl. Yes, I bought him. I'm pretty satisfied with him as a new "Classics" figure for my collection. I don't have a problem with the proportions or height of the figure as some do. The transformation is intuitive and gets the job done perfectly to create that G1 Prowl silhouette. What the figure lacks is paint apps, or perhaps better paint app choices. He needed more colors than just some yellow on his pelvis and biceps. I like the effect of the painted silver parts under the clear plastic, but the figure would have popped even more had they used a light blue instead, a la the recent Anime Colors edition of Masterpiece Prowl. The headlights are barely painted with tiny little dabs of yellow above them. They really needed some silver (or light blue) paint there instead to break up the chest more. Maybe we'll get a special edition of Prowl with more premium paint apps in a few years? I'm hoping Reprolabels will do a good set for SIEGE Prowl. I might invest if I like what they come up with. At any rate, I'm looking forward to this mold as Bluestreak, Smokescreen, and Barricade.

I really hope this is true. I found a Starscream this weekend, and the first thing that happened was the chest piece fell off. It really doesn't stay in place well at all.
In the case that this is a modification, anyone have any videos showing how to do it?

Rodimus Knight wrote:I really hope this is true. I found a Starscream this weekend, and the first thing that happened was the chest piece fell off. It really doesn't stay in place well at all.
In the case that this is a modification, anyone have any videos showing how to do it?

The Starscream I have the only time I have trouble with the panel is transforming him. It stays on just fine in robot and jet modes. If you’re gentle with it it’ll stay on during transformation too.

RodimusConvoy13 wrote:The Starscream I have the only time I have trouble with the panel is transforming him. It stays on just fine in robot and jet modes. If you’re gentle with it it’ll stay on during transformation too.

Mine seems to be the same. The panel holds on just fine in both modes, but would pop off the first couple of times I transformed him. Once I had the transformation down pat, it was easier to be gentle on that area when transforming an it hasn't popped off since.

TargetmasterJoe wrote:A thousand apologies, but it's been recently discovered that it’s entirely possible that it might not be a running change, but a modification by the OP themselves.

Sorry about this development...

Can you please provide a link to where you found that info?

Soundwave and Starscream are back in stock at retail on Amazon.

Rodimus Knight wrote:I really hope this is true. I found a Starscream this weekend, and the first thing that happened was the chest piece fell off. It really doesn't stay in place well at all.
In the case that this is a modification, anyone have any videos showing how to do it?

It literally takes like 2 minutes or less if you have a drill and a thin bit. Just put a hole into each side of the grey armature and insert two small pins in each side of the chest when it's back together. If you don't have two small pins and would like to use one long pin then look at the picture I posted a few comments back and compare it to the similar picture in this article to see exactly what piece to cut off.

It took me longer because it was 3am when I did it and I didn't want to use a drill and wake everyone up. So I bore the holes out with a screwdriver which took me about five minutes or so total. It's really just putting holes in the grey piece. Just put the holes where the little nubs are or use the pin holes in the chest piece to guide the drilling device to the correct location. Again though, if you use one long pin or if you use two shorter pins that are too long to be covered by the chest and grey piece completely then you'll need to cut some plastic. If you use two short pins that sit completely covered by the chest and grey piece then all you need to do is make the holes. It's a really simple mod.

Alpha Weltall wrote:

Rodimus Knight wrote:I really hope this is true. I found a Starscream this weekend, and the first thing that happened was the chest piece fell off. It really doesn't stay in place well at all.
In the case that this is a modification, anyone have any videos showing how to do it?

It literally takes like 2 minutes or less if you have a drill and a thin bit. Just put a hole into each side of the grey armature and insert two small pins in each side of the chest when it's back together. If you don't have two small pins and would like to use one long pin then look at the picture I posted a few comments back and compare it to the similar picture in this article to see exactly what piece to cut off.

It took me longer because it was 3am when I did it and I didn't want to use a drill and wake everyone up. So I bore the holes out with a screwdriver which took me about five minutes or so total. It's really just putting holes in the grey piece. Just put the holes where the little nubs are or use the pin holes in the chest piece to guide the drilling device to the correct location. Again though, if you use one long pin or if you use two shorter pins that are too long to be covered by the chest and grey piece completely then you'll need to cut some plastic. If you use two short pins that sit completely covered by the chest and grey piece then all you need to do is make the holes. It's a really simple mod.

Where can you get pins?

RodimusConvoy13 wrote:

Alpha Weltall wrote:

Rodimus Knight wrote:I really hope this is true. I found a Starscream this weekend, and the first thing that happened was the chest piece fell off. It really doesn't stay in place well at all.
In the case that this is a modification, anyone have any videos showing how to do it?

It literally takes like 2 minutes or less if you have a drill and a thin bit. Just put a hole into each side of the grey armature and insert two small pins in each side of the chest when it's back together. If you don't have two small pins and would like to use one long pin then look at the picture I posted a few comments back and compare it to the similar picture in this article to see exactly what piece to cut off.

It took me longer because it was 3am when I did it and I didn't want to use a drill and wake everyone up. So I bore the holes out with a screwdriver which took me about five minutes or so total. It's really just putting holes in the grey piece. Just put the holes where the little nubs are or use the pin holes in the chest piece to guide the drilling device to the correct location. Again though, if you use one long pin or if you use two shorter pins that are too long to be covered by the chest and grey piece completely then you'll need to cut some plastic. If you use two short pins that sit completely covered by the chest and grey piece then all you need to do is make the holes. It's a really simple mod.

Where can you get pins?

Ditto

Rodimus Knight wrote:

RodimusConvoy13 wrote:Where can you get pins?

Ditto

The pin I used was one of the ones I took out from either my PotP Optimal Optimus or the Throne of the Primes Optimus Primal when I took the smaller Primal figure off the backpack. It's not quite long enough to reach end to end on the chest plate but it's long enough to hold everything together. I have several other extra pins from the old CHMS Lambor kits too but they're in places I don't remember right now since I moved and haven't bothered unpacking. I would imagine being able to get them from Home Depot or a hobby shop though. If you have some junk figures lying around then pop the pins out of them to use for this. Cut them down if you want so that they're the correct length for each side if you don't want to cut plastic off your figure by putting a long one in. As long as they're long enough to hold the grey armature to the chest plate then they don't even have to be long to begin with.

I guess not everyone has extra pins and junk figures lying around like me but they shouldn't be too difficult to find.

RodimusConvoy13 wrote:Soundwave and Starscream are back in stock at retail on Amazon.

Thanks, just grabbed Soundwave!

Alpha Weltall wrote:I guess not everyone has extra pins and junk figures lying around like me but they shouldn't be too difficult to find.

Oh, I have junk figures, I didnt think of that.

william-james88 wrote:

Alpha Weltall wrote:I guess not everyone has extra pins and junk figures lying around like me but they shouldn't be too difficult to find.

Oh, I have junk figures, I didnt think of that.

Roll pins are what you will typically find at hardware and auto parts store. Did a quick look and had a hard time finding small solid pins (probably not using the correct description (tried roll, dowel, catch, tension & fastener pins)). Small finishing nails cut to size and sanded smooth would also work.

carytheone wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Alpha Weltall wrote:I guess not everyone has extra pins and junk figures lying around like me but they shouldn't be too difficult to find.

Oh, I have junk figures, I didnt think of that.

Roll pins are what you will typically find at hardware and auto parts store. Did a quick look and had a hard time finding small solid pins (probably not using the correct description (tried roll, dowel, catch, tension & fastener pins)). Small finishing nails cut to size and sanded smooth would also work.

Indeed. Thin nails, thick staples or paper clips all cut to size. It doesn't have to be normal pins.
Broken screw driver tips from an eye glass kit, pin vice files, the plastic coated metal twist ties from old Transformer packaging. Just use your imagination and jam some metal in the holes. It doesn't even have to be metal. Use a tooth pick. Maybe some sprinkles could work lol.

So has anyone tried centaur mode with Ultra Magnus yet?

I just noticed something peculiar about a figure I picked up yesterday.



Can anyone spot it?

carytheone wrote:I just noticed something peculiar about a figure I picked up yesterday.

*image*

Can anyone spot it?

Not when all images uploaded to imgbb always and forever appear broken on my computer's end.

carytheone wrote:I just noticed something peculiar about a figure I picked up yesterday.



Can anyone spot it?

Why was Soundwave in Starscream’s box?

RodimusConvoy13 wrote:Why was Soundwave in Starscream’s box?

Waits excitedly at the edge of seat for punchline!

Sabrblade wrote:

carytheone wrote:I just noticed something peculiar about a figure I picked up yesterday.

*image*

Can anyone spot it?

Not when all images uploaded to imgbb always and forever appear broken on my computer's end.

Sounds like a DNS problem to me.

Oh well, thanks for playing, but...

RodimusConvoy13 wrote:Why was Soundwave in Starscream’s box?

That's an excellent question and one I can't believe I missed. They had two Soundwave's and I wonder if the other was mis-boxed. They also had a Starscream. So many questions.

I guess that explains why when I did a price check via the WM app it did come up as Starscream. I just assumed that was Walmart being Walmart.

Doesn't look like a repack and the insides were complete and correct and Soundwave was still tied to the insert. Even the cardboard backer was correct.

I toss the boxes anyway...


Speaking of boxes, does anyone have the box codes for Prowl and Chromia? Those are the only ones I'm missing and HasbroPulse hasn't shipped that wave yet.

I found 3 Siege Starscreams today, but none of them have a pin, just the hole where one would go.

I found a lone Siege Soundwave, and all of the Wave 2 deluxes, which is cool.

Also found SS38 Bee Prime, but I passed on him, because I might just spring with Siege Prime to go with my Siege Megatron

Nathaniel Prime wrote:I found 3 Siege Starscreams today, but none of them have a pin, just the hole where one would go.

I have been looking online for more proof that the pin was not just someone messing with us. I have yet to see another example.

Hey, if anyone is interested, peaugh posted an instructional video (sort of) yesterday that explained how to add pins to Starscream using a small "penny nail" as peaugh put it and a pin vice/hand drill. (I was hoping he'd give the actual penny size. When I get in hand, I could compare with my collection of nails, but it looks like a 4d (4 penny)to 2d (2 penny) nail.)

Meh, I'm just gonna wait for Hasbro to get the hint and release Thundercracker and Skywarp with the pins.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Meh, I'm just gonna wait for Hasbro to get the hint and release Thundercracker and Skywarp with the pins.

Lol, all I can do is wait since there is no sign of these in Canada yet anyway.

By the way am I the only bugged by the lack of talk of a Siege Ratbat as well as Frenzy and Rumble. Or was it Frenzy and Rumble?

william-james88 wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Meh, I'm just gonna wait for Hasbro to get the hint and release Thundercracker and Skywarp with the pins.

Lol, all I can do is wait since there is no sign of these in Canada yet anyway.

We're only barely, just now, getting any sign of SIEGE wave 2 in Canada Jr. (a.k.a., Minnesota). The Studio Series has been going strong, though. I've seen everything except Rampage and SS-38 Optimus Prime now.

Wolfman Jake wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Meh, I'm just gonna wait for Hasbro to get the hint and release Thundercracker and Skywarp with the pins.

Lol, all I can do is wait since there is no sign of these in Canada yet anyway.

We're only barely, just now, getting any sign of SIEGE wave 2 in Canada Jr. (a.k.a., Minnesota). The Studio Series has been going strong, though. I've seen everything except Rampage and SS-38 Optimus Prime now.

We have had nothing new in Studio Series since the end of 2018 at big box stores. Very odd since that's a series I would guess stores would want to stock a ton of.

Skritz wrote:By the way am I the only bugged by the lack of talk of a Siege Ratbat as well as Frenzy and Rumble. Or was it Frenzy and Rumble?

We know everything up to Wave 3 and Deluxe Wave 4, and they're not among them. From the looks of it, that's all we're getting.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Skritz wrote:By the way am I the only bugged by the lack of talk of a Siege Ratbat as well as Frenzy and Rumble. Or was it Frenzy and Rumble?

We know everything up to Wave 3 and Deluxe Wave 4, and they're not among them. From the looks of it, that's all we're getting.

Well, remember, they're cassette's square's, so they'd be micromasters

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Skritz wrote:By the way am I the only bugged by the lack of talk of a Siege Ratbat as well as Frenzy and Rumble. Or was it Frenzy and Rumble?

We know everything up to Wave 3 and Deluxe Wave 4, and they're not among them. From the looks of it, that's all we're getting.

I am confused, why would they be deluxes, they would be in the Battlemaster class in Siege. And we dont know all of those yet, right?

I really hope we somehow get more of Soundwave's chest cavity-pets.

william-james88 wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Skritz wrote:By the way am I the only bugged by the lack of talk of a Siege Ratbat as well as Frenzy and Rumble. Or was it Frenzy and Rumble?

We know everything up to Wave 3 and Deluxe Wave 4, and they're not among them. From the looks of it, that's all we're getting.

I am confused, why would they be deluxes, they would be in the Battlemaster class in Siege. And we dont know all of those yet, right?

Presumably we know of W3, the two that were revealed at the Australia Show. (2 con car redecos and the LandRover/Semi pair). ThT just leaves W4 assuming the BMs are quarterly.

Never said they'd be Deluxe, just saying up to what we know. And if they intent on keeping up the Class order for the numbering (Battle Master -> Micromaster -> Deluxe -> Voyager -> Leader), then I may have some bad news:

Wave 3 (with Leader Wave 2)
S38: Autobot Springer
S39: Thundercracker
S40: Galaxy Upgrade Optimus Prime

Wave 4
S41: Barricade
S42: Autobot Impactor
S43: Mirage

Mind you, the Deluxe Wave may be sent ahead of the rest, who knows? But remember, PotP had 3 Waves worth of new figures with an extra Deluxe one.

I still suspect waves don't really mean anything and they're going to do like Siege and just keep the counts going into the next chapter of the trilogy, simply swapping out the Siege on the box for something else. It's the War for Cybertron line first and foremost, the subtitle probably doesn't mean anything in the grand scheme of things which should be good for retailers and judging by wave 4 we're continuing to get full waves through Siege.

We do have a few empty slots. 26 and 27 are probably Skywarp and the Firestormer set, but 33 and 34 seem to be unannounced Micromaster sets. I think Offroad Patrol might be one of them even though TFWiki lists them as wave 4. Either wave 4 doesn't exist which contradicts everything I wrote above or it gets skipped in the numbering and returns at a higher number with Offroad Patrol.

Emerje

Emerje wrote:We do have a few empty slots. 26 and 27 are probably Skywarp and the Firestormer set, but 33 and 34 seem to be unannounced Micromaster sets. I think Offroad Patrol might be one of them even though TFWiki lists them as wave 4. Either wave 4 doesn't exist which contradicts everything I wrote above or it gets skipped in the numbering and returns at a higher number with Offroad Patrol.

Emerje

I was curious so I checked out the TFwiki and the Hasbro's map. 34 is on the map so it makes sense to be deluxe or larger. 48, 49, 50 & 51 are also on the map. If there will be a figure for each number, that's four additional Battle Masters and/or Micromasters

Finally found Soundwave. Stopped by a Walmart (Colonial Heights, VA) on my way to work this morning and there sat two Soundwaves and two Starscreams.

Other than that, its been pretty dry on the shelves!

SGM

Soundwave and starscream came today, starscream has zero pins on his chest,
we most likely have been smeckledorfed

Yep, the two I saw, there was NO metal pins.

From what I've seen on r/Transformers, someone had emailed Hasbro directly asking wether or not there was going to be a pin added to later runs of the figure. Long story short, Hasbro has no current plans to do so, and from their wording in the email itself, Skywarp and Thundercracker wont have the pin either. Though they do know the fans have been asking about the pin and took it into consideration.

So no, there is not goinig to be any running change with the seekers anytime soon, the twitter post was most likely a custom job accidentally spread around as a false fix.

That’s what it seems.

Of note, Peaugh’s video showing what he did in order to fix the chest piece is an option for some..

starrhero wrote:From what I've seen on r/Transformers, someone had emailed Hasbro directly asking wether or not there was going to be a pin added to later runs of the figure. Long story short, Hasbro has no current plans to do so, and from their wording in the email itself, Skywarp and Thundercracker wont have the pin either. Though they do know the fans have been asking about the pin and took it into consideration.

So no, there is not goinig to be any running change with the seekers anytime soon, the twitter post was most likely a custom job accidentally spread around as a false fix.

It wasnt an accident, the person said they found him like that at Walmart. It was probably a lie then.

Here's the link to the reddit post where the user talks about their email response:

https://www.reddit.com/r/transformers/c ... tarscream/

Don't really see the purpose for the guy to have lied about seeing a running change happen, but he did it seems, and there's nothing much we can do about it other than acknowledge it.

starrhero wrote:Here's the link to the reddit post where the user talks about their email response:

https://www.reddit.com/r/transformers/c ... tarscream/

Don't really see the purpose for the guy to have lied about seeing a running change happen, but he did it seems, and there's nothing much we can do about it other than acknowledge it.

Doesn't the following line being in the past tense instead indicate that there could indeed be a running change?

it is entirely possible that our design teams considered our fan base when creating the latest version of Starscream.

If hasbro said there should be no versions out there with pins then that would help, but they don't.

So far every Siege figure for me is a buy and I don't know if that's a good or bad thing