Rumoured Leader Shockwave and Decepticon Listings in Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Wave 1

kurthy wrote:Damn it, I don't need a leader shocky. I need a voyager and a deluxe.

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:I will take a well done Shockwave. His time has come.

Though still a tad disappointed that it looks like it will be Shockwave and not Tidal Wave

Va'al wrote:One of the biggest talking points, after the initial reveal of the War for Cybertron Siege toys from San Diego Comic Con 2018, was what wasn't shown in any of the documentation, presentations or actual displays: the Decepticons.

Now that distributors such as Entertainment Earth and Diamond are sending out their orders listings for stores for this fall, however, we have more than just a hint towards the purple faction showing up as early as wave 1. Fellow Seibertronian Samsonator contacted us to let us know the following:

My workplace just out through orders for our first shipments of War For Cybertron: Siege figures. Included in the Leader Class assortment was a listing for Leader Class Shockwave. I didn't see this info myself so I can not confirm it, but the biggest Shockwave fan in the store did the ordering, so he knows what he's talking about. So for now, I will say this is a rumour.

The store I work for is an independently owned collectibles store, but the cases we order are the same as regular big box retailers. The listings were all by name, and mostly what we've seen already, except for a few (Voyager Class "M", presumably Megatron, Deluxe "S", possibly Starscream, Leader Class "G", maybe a Galvatron?) but Shockwave was identified by name in the Leader Class assortment

We did some digging, and the rumour may appear to be indeed founded, with wave 1 supposedly including: Battle Masters Blowpipe, Lionizer and Firedrive; Micro Masters Race Car Patrol, Battle Patrol, Airstrike Patrol; Deluxes Sideswipe, Deluxe S (starscream?), Cog, Hound; Voyagers Optimus Prime and M (megatron?); Leaders Ultra Magnus and, here he is, Shockwave. Take this with a pinch of salt until a full reveal from Hasbro and/or corroboration from another source, but in the meantime, feel free to join the speculation in the Energon Pub!

War for Cybertron Shockwave image used for reference

Lunatic Prime wrote:

kurthy wrote:Damn it, I don't need a leader shocky. I need a voyager and a deluxe.

I already got enough Deluxe and Voyager Shockwaves but there's never been a Shockwave beyond Voyager class (as far as I remember). So don't be so darn selfish

starrhero wrote:

Va'al wrote:One of the biggest talking points, after the initial reveal of the War for Cybertron Siege toys from San Diego Comic Con 2018, was what wasn't shown in any of the documentation, presentations or actual displays: the Decepticons.

Now that distributors such as Entertainment Earth and Diamond are sending out their orders listings for stores for this fall, however, we have more than just a hint towards the purple faction showing up as early as wave 1. Fellow Seibertronian Samsonator contacted us to let us know the following:

My workplace just out through orders for our first shipments of War For Cybertron: Siege figures. Included in the Leader Class assortment was a listing for Leader Class Shockwave. I didn't see this info myself so I can not confirm it, but the biggest Shockwave fan in the store did the ordering, so he knows what he's talking about. So for now, I will say this is a rumour.

The store I work for is an independently owned collectibles store, but the cases we order are the same as regular big box retailers. The listings were all by name, and mostly what we've seen already, except for a few (Voyager Class "M", presumably Megatron, Deluxe "S", possibly Starscream, Leader Class "G", maybe a Galvatron?) but Shockwave was identified by name in the Leader Class assortment

We did some digging, and the rumour may appear to be indeed founded, with wave 1 supposedly including: Battle Masters Blowpipe, Lionizer and Firedrive; Micro Masters Race Car Patrol, Battle Patrol, Airstrike Patrol; Deluxes Sideswipe, Deluxe S (starscream?), Cog, Hound; Voyagers Optimus Prime and M (megatron?); Leaders Ultra Magnus and, here he is, Shockwave. Take this with a pinch of salt until a full reveal from Hasbro and/or corroboration from another source, but in the meantime, feel free to join the speculation in the Energon Pub!

War for Cybertron Shockwave image used for reference

But wait, wasn't the idea that this line was supposed to be as G1 accurate as possible? Because if it is, Megatron & Shockwave should be the same size, and if Megatron is a voyager, Shockwave should be as well... Right?

Lunatic Prime wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:I will take a well done Shockwave. His time has come.

Though still a tad disappointed that it looks like it will be Shockwave and not Tidal Wave

Maybe it'll be Micron Legends Shockwave
I mean we'll get an RID Ultra Magnus alt mode. So why not?
And maybe this one can finally combine with a Megatron

kurthy wrote:

Lunatic Prime wrote:

kurthy wrote:Damn it, I don't need a leader shocky. I need a voyager and a deluxe.

I already got enough Deluxe and Voyager Shockwaves but there's never been a Shockwave beyond Voyager class (as far as I remember). So don't be so darn selfish

MP shockwave and original shockwave both fill that need. The deluxe and voyager shockwaves have been awful, so I would like a good one in either size class.

Lunatic Prime wrote:

kurthy wrote:
MP shockwave and original shockwave both fill that need. The deluxe and voyager shockwaves have been awful, so I would like a good one in either size class.

But both are way to expensive and rare by now

kurthy wrote:

Lunatic Prime wrote:

kurthy wrote:
MP shockwave and original shockwave both fill that need. The deluxe and voyager shockwaves have been awful, so I would like a good one in either size class.

But both are way to expensive and rare by now

The MP is on sale at BBTS for $120 and the G1 has reissues on eBay for under $70. Considering that seige will be about $50 and not be anywhere as good as those two, yeah, I'll pass on it.

ZeroWolf wrote:Though if it's a voyager class Shockwave packaged with armour to put the pricing up to leader class, and then said armour could be given to Megatron...I'll be down for that

Va'al wrote:

My workplace just out through orders for our first shipments of War For Cybertron: Siege figures. Included in the Leader Class assortment was a listing for Leader Class Shockwave. I didn't see this info myself so I can not confirm it, but the biggest Shockwave fan in the store did the ordering, so he knows what he's talking about. So for now, I will say this is a rumour.

The store I work for is an independently owned collectibles store, but the cases we order are the same as regular big box retailers. The listings were all by name, and mostly what we've seen already, except for a few (Voyager Class "M", presumably Megatron, Deluxe "S", possibly Starscream, Leader Class "G", maybe a Galvatron?) but Shockwave was identified by name in the Leader Class assortment

kurthy wrote:Damn it, I don't need a leader shocky. I need a voyager and a deluxe.

LordPrime99 wrote:Deluxe "S" could just be sideswipe unless he's already been confirmed for a later wave

Mr.MicroMaster wrote:I wouldn't surprised if somebody already said this but here I go anyway. Deluxe S is probably Sideswipe and I this because I'm pretty sure Sideswipe is wave 1. Never mind.

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Sideswipe is listed right before "Deluxe S" in the listing. Not really sure who it could be

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:

Mr.MicroMaster wrote:I wouldn't surprised if somebody already said this but here I go anyway. Deluxe S is probably Sideswipe and I this because I'm pretty sure Sideswipe is wave 1. Never mind.

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Sideswipe is listed right before "Deluxe S" in the listing. Not really sure who it could be

Mr.MicroMaster wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:

Mr.MicroMaster wrote:I wouldn't surprised if somebody already said this but here I go anyway. Deluxe S is probably Sideswipe and I this because I'm pretty sure Sideswipe is wave 1. Never mind.

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Sideswipe is listed right before "Deluxe S" in the listing. Not really sure who it could be

Yeah I saw your post right after I post it. Oh well what can you do another theory bites the dust.

Wolfman Jake wrote:If Deluxe "S" is just Starscream, I'll be very disappointed. It sure would throw out that "scale is very important to us with War for Cybertron" line we've been fed. Starscream needs to be a Voyager class figure to scale correctly with the rest of the line revealed so far.

And yet, I was thinking once I had Moonracer in hand how well her basic layout could be retooled into a rather decent Starscream. Even the back of the car folds out into wings in robot mode....

#TotallyNotBait

Wolfman Jake wrote:If Deluxe "S" is just Starscream, I'll be very disappointed. It sure would throw out that "scale is very important to us with War for Cybertron" line we've been fed. Starscream needs to be a Voyager class figure to scale correctly with the rest of the line revealed so far.

Burn wrote:Deluxe S = Stalker.

You know you want it to be true ...

TF-fan kev777 wrote:I wonder if mystery man S could be the rumored Sixgun?

Nemesis Primal wrote:...oh, I want that S to be Spinister so badly, but I know it isn't because of the poll, augh...

Also, reminder that part of the focus in this line is only giving gimmicks to figures that originally had them/the gimmick makes sense for, so an Evolution/Armored Shockwave isn't likely to come just because he's Leader-class. Magnus has armor because Magnus is supposed to have armor, not because of a size-class-wide gimmick like POTP.

Emerje wrote:He has to be something entirely new by default so he may as well have armor.

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:

Emerje wrote:He has to be something entirely new by default so he may as well have armor.

Onyx Prime armor maybe

Nemesis Primal wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:

Emerje wrote:He has to be something entirely new by default so he may as well have armor.

Onyx Prime armor maybe

Ooh, this, 100%, I'd buy that.

Either that, or *gasp* maybe he has no gimmick. So far the characters with gimmicks are in the minority in this line compared to the other figures outside of the weapons, who's to say Shockwave has to do something special?

Nemesis Primal wrote:I mainly just know of and like Stalker

kurthy wrote:

Lunatic Prime wrote:

kurthy wrote:
MP shockwave and original shockwave both fill that need. The deluxe and voyager shockwaves have been awful, so I would like a good one in either size class.

But both are way to expensive and rare by now

The MP is on sale at BBTS for $120 and the G1 has reissues on eBay for under $70.

Nemesis Primal wrote:Either that, or *gasp* maybe he has no gimmick. So far the characters with gimmicks are in the minority in this line compared to the other figures outside of the weapons, who's to say Shockwave has to do something special?

Lunatic Prime wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:I will take a well done Shockwave. His time has come.

Though still a tad disappointed that it looks like it will be Shockwave and not Tidal Wave

Maybe it'll be Micron Legends Shockwave
I mean we'll get an RID Ultra Magnus alt mode. So why not?
And maybe this one can finally combine with a Megatron

kurthy wrote:Damn it, I don't need a leader shocky. I need a voyager and a deluxe.

william-james88 wrote:Plus, since they also confirmed that they had made mock ups of all the possible winners of the prime contest, there is a "voyager" sized shockwave out there already designed that would end up at a leader class price point.

william-james88 wrote:

kurthy wrote:Damn it, I don't need a leader shocky. I need a voyager and a deluxe.

Hasbro was very clear that this line would be robot mode scale accurate. So that posits a problem for the leader class which only has a few characters that would work (like Jetfire and Ultra Magnus, as we saw in the previous Gen lines). Which makes me truly believe that there is an armour up/extra accessory gimmick going on here, giving us a voyager sized shockwave at a leader price. Just like TLK Sqweaks was a smaller toy with accessories sold as a deluxe. And more specifically, like Ultra Magnus who is a confirmed voyager sized white prime that comes with armour. Plus, since they also confirmed that they had made mock ups of all the possible winners of the prime contest, there is a "voyager" sized shockwave out there already designed that would end up at a leader class price point.

Anyways, all the evidence points to this shockwave being in perfect scale with a voyager Megatron. The only thing that some fans might not like is that they still have to pay a leader price for him on accessories/armour they might not need.

Not so thrilled about deluxe class seekers though.

Sentinel_Primal wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

kurthy wrote:Damn it, I don't need a leader shocky. I need a voyager and a deluxe.

Hasbro was very clear that this line would be robot mode scale accurate. So that posits a problem for the leader class which only has a few characters that would work (like Jetfire and Ultra Magnus, as we saw in the previous Gen lines). Which makes me truly believe that there is an armour up/extra accessory gimmick going on here, giving us a voyager sized shockwave at a leader price. Just like TLK Sqweaks was a smaller toy with accessories sold as a deluxe. And more specifically, like Ultra Magnus who is a confirmed voyager sized white prime that comes with armour. Plus, since they also confirmed that they had made mock ups of all the possible winners of the prime contest, there is a "voyager" sized shockwave out there already designed that would end up at a leader class price point.

Anyways, all the evidence points to this shockwave being in perfect scale with a voyager Megatron. The only thing that some fans might not like is that they still have to pay a leader price for him on accessories/armour they might not need.

Not so thrilled about deluxe class seekers though.

My only complaint if they do role out their unused designs is that it sort of cheapens the poll from PotP a bit. It wouldn't be "Which character should get a new toy with this gimmick?!" It'd just be, which do you want first. Which, while I acknowledge they'll always use the characters multiple times, annoys me because if they're using the evolution gimmick, then there's a gimmick that doesn't belong. If it's a case with Ultra Magnus, it works because that was his design. But Shockwave was never a power-up. It should have been either Star Saber or Thunderwing then. Idk, just my two cents

william-james88 wrote:

Sentinel_Primal wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

kurthy wrote:Damn it, I don't need a leader shocky. I need a voyager and a deluxe.

Hasbro was very clear that this line would be robot mode scale accurate. So that posits a problem for the leader class which only has a few characters that would work (like Jetfire and Ultra Magnus, as we saw in the previous Gen lines). Which makes me truly believe that there is an armour up/extra accessory gimmick going on here, giving us a voyager sized shockwave at a leader price. Just like TLK Sqweaks was a smaller toy with accessories sold as a deluxe. And more specifically, like Ultra Magnus who is a confirmed voyager sized white prime that comes with armour. Plus, since they also confirmed that they had made mock ups of all the possible winners of the prime contest, there is a "voyager" sized shockwave out there already designed that would end up at a leader class price point.

Anyways, all the evidence points to this shockwave being in perfect scale with a voyager Megatron. The only thing that some fans might not like is that they still have to pay a leader price for him on accessories/armour they might not need.

Not so thrilled about deluxe class seekers though.

My only complaint if they do role out their unused designs is that it sort of cheapens the poll from PotP a bit. It wouldn't be "Which character should get a new toy with this gimmick?!" It'd just be, which do you want first. Which, while I acknowledge they'll always use the characters multiple times, annoys me because if they're using the evolution gimmick, then there's a gimmick that doesn't belong. If it's a case with Ultra Magnus, it works because that was his design. But Shockwave was never a power-up. It should have been either Star Saber or Thunderwing then. Idk, just my two cents

I wasnt referring to the power up per se, I was referring to them already having designs for a "voyager sized" shockwave, meaning the one that would have gotten a power up in POTP. They could start from that smaller figure and build around it differently, or give it added accessories. I do not think we will be getting exactly what we would have gotten if he would have won.

Regardless, I sure as **** hope Trypticon winning the titan vote does not mean we will never get an Omega Supreme of Scorponok. That would suck hard, dont care if it means the titan poll ends up cheapened a little.

Wolfman Jake wrote:Starscream needs to be a Voyager class figure to scale correctly with the rest of the line revealed so far.

Autobot N wrote:If I remember correctly, the leaked Amazon listings had Starscream (and Thundercracker, as well) at the Voyager pricepoint with Megatron, Prime, and Springer.