Rise of the Beasts Exceeds Box Office Expectations as Number 1 Film Domestically and Internationally
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It was a tight race but Transformers has claimed the number 1 box office spot for this week-end, both domestically and internationally. Domestically, it got 60 Million dollars compared to Spider-verse's 55 Million. However, it should be stated that Spider-verse outperformed Transformers during the actual week-end. The reason why Transformers ends up on top is due to the earlier showings during the week. The film also made 110 Million internationally (so everywhere other than the US and Canada) which gives it 170 Million in total. Also please note that it made 40 M in China showing that it's still a big market for the brand (however, Paramount/Hasbro see only 25% of revenue from Chinese theatres).
While these numbers aren't amazing as they once were, remember that Dark of the Moon opened to 97 M domestically, the numbers do show that whatever stain there may have been in the past which lead to disappointing returns for The Last Knight and Bumblebee might be in the past. The domestic numbers are 3 times what they were for Bumblebee 5 years ago, proving that there is still a a demand from these films, and not just from fans. The reason these numbers surpass industry estimates is due to the higher number of tickets that were bought on the spot in proportion to presale tickets (which are largely purchased by fans), when compared to Super-hero movies. This means that Transformers really is in a league of its own, appealing to general movie goers rather than simply being backed by a big fanbase. And that happens to be exactly what Paramount was going for, with it's vague sense of continuity and choosing to not distance themselves too much from familiarity and the live action movie brand and aesthetic.
Another really important point is that the diversity angle did pay off. The film did heavily market its inclusion of people of colour and the breakdown of ticket sales shows that, domestically, it was people identifying as Hispanic which made up the largest viewership. This has never happened before for a Transformers film. Here is a full breakdown:
32% Hispanic
31% Caucasian
21% Black
16% Asian/Other
While this is all good news, no one can predict how the Flash will perform next week. Next week's box office performance will let us have a better idea of how strong this film's box gross can be and we'll keep you up to date on it.
While these numbers aren't amazing as they once were, remember that Dark of the Moon opened to 97 M domestically, the numbers do show that whatever stain there may have been in the past which lead to disappointing returns for The Last Knight and Bumblebee might be in the past. The domestic numbers are 3 times what they were for Bumblebee 5 years ago, proving that there is still a a demand from these films, and not just from fans. The reason these numbers surpass industry estimates is due to the higher number of tickets that were bought on the spot in proportion to presale tickets (which are largely purchased by fans), when compared to Super-hero movies. This means that Transformers really is in a league of its own, appealing to general movie goers rather than simply being backed by a big fanbase. And that happens to be exactly what Paramount was going for, with it's vague sense of continuity and choosing to not distance themselves too much from familiarity and the live action movie brand and aesthetic.
Another really important point is that the diversity angle did pay off. The film did heavily market its inclusion of people of colour and the breakdown of ticket sales shows that, domestically, it was people identifying as Hispanic which made up the largest viewership. This has never happened before for a Transformers film. Here is a full breakdown:
32% Hispanic
31% Caucasian
21% Black
16% Asian/Other
While this is all good news, no one can predict how the Flash will perform next week. Next week's box office performance will let us have a better idea of how strong this film's box gross can be and we'll keep you up to date on it.
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Re: Rise of the Beasts Exceeds Box Office Expectations as Number 1 Film Domestically and Internationally (2163236)
Posted by william-james88 on June 12th, 2023 @ 12:33am CDT
Posted by william-james88 on June 12th, 2023 @ 12:33am CDT
There's honestly not much more to it than the headline. The Hollywood Handle tweeted the following:
That has not been confirmed by the studio yet, and we do not know if it will be available globally or just in some markets on that day. We'll let you know when we have more info.
‘TRANSFORMERS: RISE OF THE BEASTS’ is set to release on digital platforms on July 11
That has not been confirmed by the studio yet, and we do not know if it will be available globally or just in some markets on that day. We'll let you know when we have more info.
Re: Rise of the Beasts Exceeds Box Office Expectations as Number 1 Film Domestically and Internationally (2163237)
Posted by Dr. Caelus on June 12th, 2023 @ 12:44am CDT
Posted by Dr. Caelus on June 12th, 2023 @ 12:44am CDT
[Quick to streaming] would be great news. Kiddo keeps saying he wants to see it, but I think it's more than he can handle in a theater. Slow to start (by 4yo standards) and I think Airazor's subplot will freak him the hell out. I'll need that pause button ready.
Re: Rise of the Beasts Exceeds Box Office Expectations as Number 1 Film Domestically and Internationally (2163240)
Posted by King Kuuga on June 12th, 2023 @ 1:14am CDT
Heads up, your link is broken.
Posted by King Kuuga on June 12th, 2023 @ 1:14am CDT
william-james88 wrote:There's honestly not much more to it than the headline. [urlhttps://twitter.com/hollywoodhandle/status/1668087994857709568?t=Mn9vR5P3kIaCbuJwsa4ZVg&s=19]The Hollywood Handle[/url] tweeted the following:‘TRANSFORMERS: RISE OF THE BEASTS’ is set to release on digital platforms on July 11
That has not been confirmed by the studio yet, and we do not know if it will be available globally or just in some markets on that day. We'll let you know when we have more info.
Heads up, your link is broken.
Re: Rise of the Beasts Exceeds Box Office Expectations as Number 1 Film Domestically and Internationally (2163243)
Posted by william-james88 on June 12th, 2023 @ 6:15am CDT
Thanks, fixed it
Posted by william-james88 on June 12th, 2023 @ 6:15am CDT
King Kuuga wrote:william-james88 wrote:There's honestly not much more to it than the headline. [urlhttps://twitter.com/hollywoodhandle/status/1668087994857709568?t=Mn9vR5P3kIaCbuJwsa4ZVg&s=19]The Hollywood Handle[/url] tweeted the following:‘TRANSFORMERS: RISE OF THE BEASTS’ is set to release on digital platforms on July 11
That has not been confirmed by the studio yet, and we do not know if it will be available globally or just in some markets on that day. We'll let you know when we have more info.
Heads up, your link is broken.
Thanks, fixed it
Re: Rise of the Beasts Exceeds Box Office Expectations as Number 1 Film Domestically and Internationally (2163244)
Posted by Zordon on June 12th, 2023 @ 7:13am CDT
Posted by Zordon on June 12th, 2023 @ 7:13am CDT
It will be like how Super Mario Bros is out now to rent or buy in UK from the sky store. Think that film is £16.99 to rent or £19.99 to buy and then will be streaming for free in the paramount app just in time for Christmas. Think they did that with Top Gun: Maverick also
Re: Rise of the Beasts Exceeds Box Office Expectations as Number 1 Film Domestically and Internationally (2163245)
Posted by muddyjoe on June 12th, 2023 @ 8:02am CDT
Posted by muddyjoe on June 12th, 2023 @ 8:02am CDT
Post-Disney Marvel is straight-up garbage that doubles down way too hard on goofy comedy. Compare what's come out lately to the first Iron Man, Thor, Captain America and even The Incredible Hulk movie and it's just no contest.
Re: Rise of the Beasts Exceeds Box Office Expectations as Number 1 Film Domestically and Internationally (2163247)
Posted by King Kuuga on June 12th, 2023 @ 9:25am CDT
Thor and Captain America 1 were both produced after Disney purchased Marvel.
Posted by King Kuuga on June 12th, 2023 @ 9:25am CDT
muddyjoe wrote:Post-Disney Marvel is straight-up garbage that doubles down way too hard on goofy comedy. Compare what's come out lately to the first Iron Man, Thor, Captain America and even The Incredible Hulk movie and it's just no contest.
Thor and Captain America 1 were both produced after Disney purchased Marvel.
Re: Rise of the Beasts Exceeds Box Office Expectations as Number 1 Film Domestically and Internationally (2163255)
Posted by Sabrblade on June 12th, 2023 @ 11:38am CDT
Posted by Sabrblade on June 12th, 2023 @ 11:38am CDT
And since Iron Man 2 was produced during the Disney purchase, that means Iron Man 1 and The Incredible Hulk were the only two MCU films produced and released completely before Disney bought Marvel.King Kuuga wrote:muddyjoe wrote:Post-Disney Marvel is straight-up garbage that doubles down way too hard on goofy comedy. Compare what's come out lately to the first Iron Man, Thor, Captain America and even The Incredible Hulk movie and it's just no contest.
Thor and Captain America 1 were both produced after Disney purchased Marvel.
Re: Rise of the Beasts Exceeds Box Office Expectations as Number 1 Film Domestically and Internationally (2163256)
Posted by o.supreme on June 12th, 2023 @ 12:48pm CDT
Posted by o.supreme on June 12th, 2023 @ 12:48pm CDT
Box office was respectable for an opening with a franchise with such a bad rep. Hopefully positive buzz will give this film some push, whereas films.like TLK were killed by bad press and fan reviews.
The flash coming next week is probably going to squash it. It's a shame. Because all stuff with Keaton Batman looks great but Ezra Miller is a creep and I'm not giving my support to anything with him.
The flash coming next week is probably going to squash it. It's a shame. Because all stuff with Keaton Batman looks great but Ezra Miller is a creep and I'm not giving my support to anything with him.
Re: Rise of the Beasts Exceeds Box Office Expectations as Number 1 Film Domestically and Internationally (2163259)
Posted by ZeroWolf on June 12th, 2023 @ 2:19pm CDT
I feel the same way, a shame WB didn't just drop the Flash aspects and just make a Batman Beyond movie with old man Keaton
Posted by ZeroWolf on June 12th, 2023 @ 2:19pm CDT
o.supreme wrote:Box office was respectable for an opening with a franchise with such a bad rep. Hopefully positive buzz will give this film some push, whereas films.like TLK were killed by bad press and fan reviews.
The flash coming next week is probably going to squash it. It's a shame. Because all stuff with Keaton Batman looks great but Extra Miller is a creep and I'm not giving my support to anything with him.
I feel the same way, a shame WB didn't just drop the Flash aspects and just make a Batman Beyond movie with old man Keaton
Re: Rise of the Beasts Exceeds Box Office Expectations as Number 1 Film Domestically and Internationally (2163260)
Posted by william-james88 on June 12th, 2023 @ 2:41pm CDT
Could still be on the table as an elseworlds thing, which is an aspect of the brand James Gunn wants to dive deeper in.
I'm very curious to see how Flash changes things.
Posted by william-james88 on June 12th, 2023 @ 2:41pm CDT
ZeroWolf wrote:o.supreme wrote:Box office was respectable for an opening with a franchise with such a bad rep. Hopefully positive buzz will give this film some push, whereas films.like TLK were killed by bad press and fan reviews.
The flash coming next week is probably going to squash it. It's a shame. Because all stuff with Keaton Batman looks great but Extra Miller is a creep and I'm not giving my support to anything with him.
I feel the same way, a shame WB didn't just drop the Flash aspects and just make a Batman Beyond movie with old man Keaton
Could still be on the table as an elseworlds thing, which is an aspect of the brand James Gunn wants to dive deeper in.
I'm very curious to see how Flash changes things.
Re: Rise of the Beasts Exceeds Box Office Expectations as Number 1 Film Domestically and Internationally (2163262)
Posted by First-Aid on June 12th, 2023 @ 3:19pm CDT
Posted by First-Aid on June 12th, 2023 @ 3:19pm CDT
I am SO torn on The Flash. On one hand, it looks good (but trailers always DO make these things look good), but Ezra Miller is such a sack of crap I'm not sure I want to support the movie (and by proxy, him). I have a feeling adding Michael Keaton was the only way they could have saved this movie from Ezra's sheer stupidity in the real world.
Re: Rise of the Beasts Exceeds Box Office Expectations as Number 1 Film Domestically and Internationally (2163264)
Posted by RodimusPrimeUkraine1 on June 12th, 2023 @ 4:07pm CDT
Posted by RodimusPrimeUkraine1 on June 12th, 2023 @ 4:07pm CDT
So I'm watching ROTB now
When Mirage makes a deal with Noah, promising he can sell him for cash if Noah gets the Autobots the transwarp key, he shows off by transforming into a Lamborghini, and then A FORMULA ONE CAR LIKE IN G1!
In conclusion I am happy at least something I like will come out of this movie.
When Mirage makes a deal with Noah, promising he can sell him for cash if Noah gets the Autobots the transwarp key, he shows off by transforming into a Lamborghini, and then A FORMULA ONE CAR LIKE IN G1!
In conclusion I am happy at least something I like will come out of this movie.
Re: Rise of the Beasts Exceeds Box Office Expectations as Number 1 Film Domestically and Internationally (2163270)
Posted by Burn on June 12th, 2023 @ 5:16pm CDT
With it not getting a full release in Australia until June 22, I may as well save my money (and wear and tear on the car) and just wait for a digital release.
And if it's not released digitally in Australia, then I go back to my old ways and pirate it. We're a nation of pirates founded on the backs of criminals, this is what happens when you delay releases just for a few extra school holiday dollars.
Posted by Burn on June 12th, 2023 @ 5:16pm CDT
william-james88 wrote:There's honestly not much more to it than the headline. The Hollywood Handle tweeted the following:‘TRANSFORMERS: RISE OF THE BEASTS’ is set to release on digital platforms on July 11
That has not been confirmed by the studio yet, and we do not know if it will be available globally or just in some markets on that day. We'll let you know when we have more info.
With it not getting a full release in Australia until June 22, I may as well save my money (and wear and tear on the car) and just wait for a digital release.
And if it's not released digitally in Australia, then I go back to my old ways and pirate it. We're a nation of pirates founded on the backs of criminals, this is what happens when you delay releases just for a few extra school holiday dollars.
Re: Rise of the Beasts Exceeds Box Office Expectations as Number 1 Film Domestically and Internationally (2163274)
Posted by First-Aid on June 12th, 2023 @ 5:40pm CDT
I'll drink to that
Posted by First-Aid on June 12th, 2023 @ 5:40pm CDT
Burn wrote:william-james88 wrote:There's honestly not much more to it than the headline. The Hollywood Handle tweeted the following:‘TRANSFORMERS: RISE OF THE BEASTS’ is set to release on digital platforms on July 11
That has not been confirmed by the studio yet, and we do not know if it will be available globally or just in some markets on that day. We'll let you know when we have more info.
With it not getting a full release in Australia until June 22, I may as well save my money (and wear and tear on the car) and just wait for a digital release.
And if it's not released digitally in Australia, then I go back to my old ways and pirate it. We're a nation of pirates founded on the backs of criminals, this is what happens when you delay releases just for a few extra school holiday dollars.
I'll drink to that
Re: Rise of the Beasts Exceeds Box Office Expectations as Number 1 Film Domestically and Internationally (2163327)
Posted by Brokebot on June 13th, 2023 @ 6:02am CDT
Yeah, the second week tells the tale. That's when the word-of-mouth moviegoers and second viewers show up. Personally, I haven't heard any reviews that make me want to spend any money on it.
Posted by Brokebot on June 13th, 2023 @ 6:02am CDT
o.supreme wrote:Box office was respectable for an opening with a franchise with such a bad rep. Hopefully positive buzz will give this film some push, whereas films like TLK were killed by bad press and fan reviews.
Yeah, the second week tells the tale. That's when the word-of-mouth moviegoers and second viewers show up. Personally, I haven't heard any reviews that make me want to spend any money on it.
Re: Rise of the Beasts Exceeds Box Office Expectations as Number 1 Film Domestically and Internationally (2163339)
Posted by First-Aid on June 13th, 2023 @ 9:36am CDT
The only issue is that movie critics are as full of sh!te as an average politician. Most are simply there for the shock quality, others are there for "dedication to the art". Very few are there for "Is this movie fun or entertaining?" There's simply no money in that and you can't make a name for yourself by being nice. So pretty much all reviews are trash.
Posted by First-Aid on June 13th, 2023 @ 9:36am CDT
Brokebot wrote:o.supreme wrote:Box office was respectable for an opening with a franchise with such a bad rep. Hopefully positive buzz will give this film some push, whereas films like TLK were killed by bad press and fan reviews.
Yeah, the second week tells the tale. That's when the word-of-mouth moviegoers and second viewers show up. Personally, I haven't heard any reviews that make me want to spend any money on it.
The only issue is that movie critics are as full of sh!te as an average politician. Most are simply there for the shock quality, others are there for "dedication to the art". Very few are there for "Is this movie fun or entertaining?" There's simply no money in that and you can't make a name for yourself by being nice. So pretty much all reviews are trash.
Re: Rise of the Beasts Exceeds Box Office Expectations as Number 1 Film Domestically and Internationally (2163341)
Posted by Brokebot on June 13th, 2023 @ 9:52am CDT
I have a tendency to agree. Rotten Tomatoes has been suspected of altering and removing reviews for a long time. Nonetheless, I still haven't heard anything from the professional shills, naysayers, or fanboys that make this movie any more appealing than the myriad of teasers and trailers we've seen so far. I know several places where I can get a hamburger that I'll enjoy more and pay less for than a ticket to this. Ironically, I do wish this thing some measure of success as it keeps the brand alive as my participation in it wanes.
Posted by Brokebot on June 13th, 2023 @ 9:52am CDT
First-Aid wrote:Brokebot wrote:o.supreme wrote:Box office was respectable for an opening with a franchise with such a bad rep. Hopefully positive buzz will give this film some push, whereas films like TLK were killed by bad press and fan reviews.
Yeah, the second week tells the tale. That's when the word-of-mouth moviegoers and second viewers show up. Personally, I haven't heard any reviews that make me want to spend any money on it.
The only issue is that movie critics are as full of sh!te as an average politician. Most are simply there for the shock quality, others are there for "dedication to the art". Very few are there for "Is this movie fun or entertaining?" There's simply no money in that and you can't make a name for yourself by being nice. So pretty much all reviews are trash.
I have a tendency to agree. Rotten Tomatoes has been suspected of altering and removing reviews for a long time. Nonetheless, I still haven't heard anything from the professional shills, naysayers, or fanboys that make this movie any more appealing than the myriad of teasers and trailers we've seen so far. I know several places where I can get a hamburger that I'll enjoy more and pay less for than a ticket to this. Ironically, I do wish this thing some measure of success as it keeps the brand alive as my participation in it wanes.
Re: Rise of the Beasts Exceeds Box Office Expectations as Number 1 Film Domestically and Internationally (2163344)
Posted by First-Aid on June 13th, 2023 @ 10:29am CDT
If it helps, my PERSONAL review is that it was a thoroughly enjoyable movie, definitely worth price of admission. It feels very much like the old Saturday morning cartoons I grew up with, fun and slightly over the top while not being to top-heavy. Some of the camera angles and shots are really good and the bots look FAR more polished than any of the other movies. Mirage is a great entertainer to hook kids, Prime is very Prime-y with a lot of homesickness and guilt for being marooned on Earth incorporated. The humans are non-intrusive, just advancing the plot enough when needed. The focus is very much on the bots. In my mind, on a par with the Bee movie and fun.
Hope this helps.
Posted by First-Aid on June 13th, 2023 @ 10:29am CDT
Brokebot wrote:First-Aid wrote:Brokebot wrote:o.supreme wrote:Box office was respectable for an opening with a franchise with such a bad rep. Hopefully positive buzz will give this film some push, whereas films like TLK were killed by bad press and fan reviews.
Yeah, the second week tells the tale. That's when the word-of-mouth moviegoers and second viewers show up. Personally, I haven't heard any reviews that make me want to spend any money on it.
The only issue is that movie critics are as full of sh!te as an average politician. Most are simply there for the shock quality, others are there for "dedication to the art". Very few are there for "Is this movie fun or entertaining?" There's simply no money in that and you can't make a name for yourself by being nice. So pretty much all reviews are trash.
I have a tendency to agree. Rotten Tomatoes has been suspected of altering and removing reviews for a long time. Nonetheless, I still haven't heard anything from the professional shills, naysayers, or fanboys that make this movie any more appealing than the myriad of teasers and trailers we've seen so far. I know several places where I can get a hamburger that I'll enjoy more and pay less for than a ticket to this. Ironically, I do wish this thing some measure of success as it keeps the brand alive as my participation in it wanes.
If it helps, my PERSONAL review is that it was a thoroughly enjoyable movie, definitely worth price of admission. It feels very much like the old Saturday morning cartoons I grew up with, fun and slightly over the top while not being to top-heavy. Some of the camera angles and shots are really good and the bots look FAR more polished than any of the other movies. Mirage is a great entertainer to hook kids, Prime is very Prime-y with a lot of homesickness and guilt for being marooned on Earth incorporated. The humans are non-intrusive, just advancing the plot enough when needed. The focus is very much on the bots. In my mind, on a par with the Bee movie and fun.
Hope this helps.
Re: Rise of the Beasts Exceeds Box Office Expectations as Number 1 Film Domestically and Internationally (2163356)
Posted by Sabrblade on June 13th, 2023 @ 12:57pm CDT
Posted by Sabrblade on June 13th, 2023 @ 12:57pm CDT
Having seen it back on Friday, I've figured out which Saturday morning cartoon it felt like: The 1992 X-Men cartoon.
Re: Rise of the Beasts Exceeds Box Office Expectations as Number 1 Film Domestically and Internationally (2163359)
Posted by First-Aid on June 13th, 2023 @ 1:05pm CDT
A classic show for sure.
Posted by First-Aid on June 13th, 2023 @ 1:05pm CDT
Sabrblade wrote:Having seen it back on Friday, I've figured out which Saturday morning cartoon it felt like: The 1992 X-Men cartoon.
A classic show for sure.
Re: Rise of the Beasts Exceeds Box Office Expectations as Number 1 Film Domestically and Internationally (2163365)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on June 13th, 2023 @ 1:14pm CDT
Posted by -Kanrabat- on June 13th, 2023 @ 1:14pm CDT
About movie critics, Matpat on YouTube made an excellent video talking about it.
Re: Rise of the Beasts Exceeds Box Office Expectations as Number 1 Film Domestically and Internationally (2163367)
Posted by Sabrblade on June 13th, 2023 @ 1:27pm CDT
Posted by Sabrblade on June 13th, 2023 @ 1:27pm CDT
I really miss Siskel and Ebert.
I remember when they reviewed the 1989 rerelease of Disney's animated Peter Pan on At The Movies, and where Ebert was approaching from a technical standpoint, Siskel was completely enamored with how much watching the movie made him feel like a kid again.
I remember when they reviewed the 1989 rerelease of Disney's animated Peter Pan on At The Movies, and where Ebert was approaching from a technical standpoint, Siskel was completely enamored with how much watching the movie made him feel like a kid again.
Re: Rise of the Beasts Exceeds Box Office Expectations as Number 1 Film Domestically and Internationally (2163386)
Posted by RodimusPrimeUkraine1 on June 13th, 2023 @ 4:25pm CDT
Posted by RodimusPrimeUkraine1 on June 13th, 2023 @ 4:25pm CDT
A few scenes of the movie occur at night, gets really annoying to see. Much better later though
I was questioning if ROTB is supposed to be a horror movie for a few seconds there!
I absolutely hate Wheeljack's accent. Just can't get over it, it sounds awful.
Airazor's voice sounds less terrible, they choose her worst lines for the trailers, but still not that great.
I was questioning if ROTB is supposed to be a horror movie for a few seconds there!
I absolutely hate Wheeljack's accent. Just can't get over it, it sounds awful.
Airazor's voice sounds less terrible, they choose her worst lines for the trailers, but still not that great.
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Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on June 14th, 2023 @ 1:44pm CDT
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on June 14th, 2023 @ 1:44pm CDT
Best movie bot right here, no question from me. Mirage MADE the movie for me!
Re: Rise of the Beasts Exceeds Box Office Expectations as Number 1 Film Domestically and Internationally (2163447)
Posted by Brokebot on June 14th, 2023 @ 2:03pm CDT
If you like YuoTube movie critiques, I recommend The Critical Drinker.
Posted by Brokebot on June 14th, 2023 @ 2:03pm CDT
-Kanrabat- wrote:About movie critics, Matpat on YouTube made an excellent video talking about it.
If you like YuoTube movie critiques, I recommend The Critical Drinker.
Re: Rise of the Beasts Exceeds Box Office Expectations as Number 1 Film Domestically and Internationally (2163456)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on June 14th, 2023 @ 3:35pm CDT
I'm a longtime subscriber.
Posted by -Kanrabat- on June 14th, 2023 @ 3:35pm CDT
Brokebot wrote:-Kanrabat- wrote:About movie critics, Matpat on YouTube made an excellent video talking about it.
If you like YuoTube movie critiques, I recommend The Critical Drinker.
I'm a longtime subscriber.
Re: Rise of the Beasts Exceeds Box Office Expectations as Number 1 Film Domestically and Internationally (2163591)
Posted by Cheesinator on June 16th, 2023 @ 10:22am CDT
Posted by Cheesinator on June 16th, 2023 @ 10:22am CDT
Holy shit did The Last Knight really get a B+ on Cinescore?
I'm a pretty big Bayverse apologist but even I thought that and AoE were truly terrible, and actively unpleasant movies to sit through.
Regardless, excited to see RoB today.
I'm a pretty big Bayverse apologist but even I thought that and AoE were truly terrible, and actively unpleasant movies to sit through.
Regardless, excited to see RoB today.
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Posted by First-Aid on June 16th, 2023 @ 10:24am CDT
Terrible, maybe. But I feel like CinemaScore is more a measure of how FUN a movie is. Let's face it....they were dumb, but they were fun movies. At least, for me they were.
Posted by First-Aid on June 16th, 2023 @ 10:24am CDT
Cheesinator wrote:Holy **** did The Last Knight really get a B+ on Cinescore?
I'm a pretty big Bayverse apologist but even I thought that and AoE were truly terrible, and actively unpleasant movies to sit through.
Regardless, excited to see RoB today.
Terrible, maybe. But I feel like CinemaScore is more a measure of how FUN a movie is. Let's face it....they were dumb, but they were fun movies. At least, for me they were.
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Posted by RicaChero on June 16th, 2023 @ 1:55pm CDT
That really is a good comparison. Especially the intro
Posted by RicaChero on June 16th, 2023 @ 1:55pm CDT
First-Aid wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Having seen it back on Friday, I've figured out which Saturday morning cartoon it felt like: The 1992 X-Men cartoon.
A classic show for sure.
That really is a good comparison. Especially the intro
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Posted by william-james88 on June 19th, 2023 @ 8:46am CDT
Posted by william-james88 on June 19th, 2023 @ 8:46am CDT
While it was all good news last week, with Rise of the Beasts getting that "Number 1 Movie" title, it was short lived success. While the Flash did very bad at the box office compared to expectations (it made less than ROTB on its opening week-end), it was still number 1, and took that spot from Transformers. What's sad is that as a result of the crowded market, Transformers sank from number 1 to number 4 on the domestic chart, beaten by Elemental and Spider-verse. That last one is a bit rough since Spider-verse, which has been out for 3 week-ends now made almost 40% more than Transformers (27.8M vs 20M), showing that this new Transformers movie does not have "legs", at least not domestically.
Internationally, the film is doing better. It beat Spider-verse there by 35% (37M vs 27M) but when looking at the dollar numbers, it was still not enough to get to the 300 Million dollar mark globally. Both domestically and internationally, Rise of the Beasts crashed in its second week-end, with its revenue losing 66-67% compared to last week's numbers.
As of right now, according to analysts, Transformers Rise of the Beasts seems to be heading for an estimated 390-440M total global box office. If the final number is within that range, then this would be the lowest earner in the live action franchise and it would not break even, since its estimated budget is 200M before marketing and Paramount only retains 50% of box office revenue at most. By comparison, Bumblebee made 460M in total but its budget was 100M, so half of ROTB.
Here are the numbers:
Domestic Box Office for June 16 week-end
Flash 55M
Elemental 29.5M
Spider-verse 27.8M
ROTB 20M
International Box Office numbers for the same films for June 16 week-end
Flash 75M
ROTB 37.2M
Spider-verse 27.6M
Elemental 15M
Global run so far of those same films
Spider-verse 489M
ROTB 274M
Flash 139M
Elemental 44M
Internationally, the film is doing better. It beat Spider-verse there by 35% (37M vs 27M) but when looking at the dollar numbers, it was still not enough to get to the 300 Million dollar mark globally. Both domestically and internationally, Rise of the Beasts crashed in its second week-end, with its revenue losing 66-67% compared to last week's numbers.
As of right now, according to analysts, Transformers Rise of the Beasts seems to be heading for an estimated 390-440M total global box office. If the final number is within that range, then this would be the lowest earner in the live action franchise and it would not break even, since its estimated budget is 200M before marketing and Paramount only retains 50% of box office revenue at most. By comparison, Bumblebee made 460M in total but its budget was 100M, so half of ROTB.
Here are the numbers:
Domestic Box Office for June 16 week-end
Flash 55M
Elemental 29.5M
Spider-verse 27.8M
ROTB 20M
International Box Office numbers for the same films for June 16 week-end
Flash 75M
ROTB 37.2M
Spider-verse 27.6M
Elemental 15M
Global run so far of those same films
Spider-verse 489M
ROTB 274M
Flash 139M
Elemental 44M
Re: Rise of the Beasts Exceeds Box Office Expectations as Number 1 Film Domestically and Internationally (2163739)
Posted by First-Aid on June 19th, 2023 @ 9:59am CDT
Posted by First-Aid on June 19th, 2023 @ 9:59am CDT
I expected this.
NO ONE did well at the box office this weekend. The Flash is a legitimate flat-out flop, worse than ROTB, and Elemental is even worse; looks like Pixar may be 'dead man walking' right now. But both DID detract and draw from the audience of ROTB.
This summer is going to be unique...the short transit time between theater and digital anymore as well as theater prices, which were already high, being affected by inflation is moving people away from theaters in general- especially for movies that they may be "on the fence" seeing. I'm in that group for Flash, honestly. I'm not seeing it in theater but I may see it once it hits streaming/DVD. ROTB I'm planning on seeing again this coming weekend because it was fun, but a lot of my friends- who also plan on repeating seeing it- chose to see FLash this weekend.
Is it time to move away from box office gross in order to truly measure a movie's success? Look at the success of "Mortal Kombat" and how it was released as the new standard?
NO ONE did well at the box office this weekend. The Flash is a legitimate flat-out flop, worse than ROTB, and Elemental is even worse; looks like Pixar may be 'dead man walking' right now. But both DID detract and draw from the audience of ROTB.
This summer is going to be unique...the short transit time between theater and digital anymore as well as theater prices, which were already high, being affected by inflation is moving people away from theaters in general- especially for movies that they may be "on the fence" seeing. I'm in that group for Flash, honestly. I'm not seeing it in theater but I may see it once it hits streaming/DVD. ROTB I'm planning on seeing again this coming weekend because it was fun, but a lot of my friends- who also plan on repeating seeing it- chose to see FLash this weekend.
Is it time to move away from box office gross in order to truly measure a movie's success? Look at the success of "Mortal Kombat" and how it was released as the new standard?
Re: Rise of the Beasts Exceeds Box Office Expectations as Number 1 Film Domestically and Internationally (2163741)
Posted by DeathReviews on June 19th, 2023 @ 10:10am CDT
These numbers are weak, no matter how you look at them. Each one of these films had hundreds of millions sunk into their writing, production, marketing, and distribution. For Flash and Elemental especially, they were supposed to come roaring out of the gate and rake in cash by the truckloads. And it obviously isn't happening. And don't tell us it's because everyone is saving up to see "Dial of Destiny" instead.
People can argue all kinds of things as to the reasoning. But ultimately, it all boils down to 3 things: content, content, content. If the entertainment industry was making good films that people wanted to see, then people would be going to see them regardless of any external factors short of a war or a natural disaster. Streaming and Covid did not make movie theaters irrelevant. The content of the films has made movie theaters irrelevant.
Posted by DeathReviews on June 19th, 2023 @ 10:10am CDT
Domestic Box Office for June 16 week-end
Flash 55M
Elemental 29.5M
Spider-verse 27.8M
ROTB 20M
International Box Office numbers for the same films for June 16 week-end
Flash 75M
ROTB 37.2M
Spider-verse 27.6M
Elemental 15M
These numbers are weak, no matter how you look at them. Each one of these films had hundreds of millions sunk into their writing, production, marketing, and distribution. For Flash and Elemental especially, they were supposed to come roaring out of the gate and rake in cash by the truckloads. And it obviously isn't happening. And don't tell us it's because everyone is saving up to see "Dial of Destiny" instead.
People can argue all kinds of things as to the reasoning. But ultimately, it all boils down to 3 things: content, content, content. If the entertainment industry was making good films that people wanted to see, then people would be going to see them regardless of any external factors short of a war or a natural disaster. Streaming and Covid did not make movie theaters irrelevant. The content of the films has made movie theaters irrelevant.
Re: Rise of the Beasts Exceeds Box Office Expectations as Number 1 Film Domestically and Internationally (2163744)
Posted by Cheetron on June 19th, 2023 @ 10:52am CDT
Posted by Cheetron on June 19th, 2023 @ 10:52am CDT
It's only week 2 with a crappy box office for everyone. But here's the kicker. I've read the plot and every single spoiler online. By just looking at article titles on yahoo. This turned me away from spending $50 at the theater for 2 people. I've seen every single transformers movie in theater but now theaters don't feel right. I'd rather sit in my chair and watch it. But since I know the entire plot in advance, I'll save the money and wait till it's free. Same with the flash. I love Keatons batman but I won't spend money since they didn't get Ezra in trouble
Re: Rise of the Beasts Exceeds Box Office Expectations as Number 1 Film Domestically and Internationally (2163745)
Posted by First-Aid on June 19th, 2023 @ 11:08am CDT
Yup, pretty much. Why see it in the theater? By mid-July it will (allegedly) be on streaming already. Why bother seeing it in theaters?
As for content, I do agree to an extent. The content, in regards to this site specifically, has ALWAYS been questionable to a vocal group because it isn't G1 or isn't what they remember or wanted. So judging by reactions on this site specifically, you can't make any assumptions. The fact is that the movie is almost to $200 million globally; yes that's less than normal but can we really judge normal anymore? How do you define a box office hit? Are "tent-pole movies" a thing of the past? It will probably beat out Flash and will likely crush Elemental (everything Disney touches right now is failing with GOTG3 being the only exception). Indy will be a big test, but I think the FINAL test will be the new Mission: Impossible movie. Note that FF10 also is flopping; this is not a good summer movie season start financially.
Posted by First-Aid on June 19th, 2023 @ 11:08am CDT
Cheetron wrote:It's only week 2 with a crappy box office for everyone. But here's the kicker. I've read the plot and every single spoiler online. By just looking at article titles on yahoo. This turned me away from spending $50 at the theater for 2 people. I've seen every single transformers movie in theater but now theaters don't feel right. I'd rather sit in my chair and watch it. But since I know the entire plot in advance, I'll save the money and wait till it's free. Same with the flash. I love Keatons batman but I won't spend money since they didn't get Ezra in trouble
Yup, pretty much. Why see it in the theater? By mid-July it will (allegedly) be on streaming already. Why bother seeing it in theaters?
As for content, I do agree to an extent. The content, in regards to this site specifically, has ALWAYS been questionable to a vocal group because it isn't G1 or isn't what they remember or wanted. So judging by reactions on this site specifically, you can't make any assumptions. The fact is that the movie is almost to $200 million globally; yes that's less than normal but can we really judge normal anymore? How do you define a box office hit? Are "tent-pole movies" a thing of the past? It will probably beat out Flash and will likely crush Elemental (everything Disney touches right now is failing with GOTG3 being the only exception). Indy will be a big test, but I think the FINAL test will be the new Mission: Impossible movie. Note that FF10 also is flopping; this is not a good summer movie season start financially.
Re: Rise of the Beasts Exceeds Box Office Expectations as Number 1 Film Domestically and Internationally (2163746)
Posted by Brokebot on June 19th, 2023 @ 11:34am CDT
Bingo. Hollywood just keeps churning out their "representation" schlock "for modern audiences" and the audiences aren't playing along anymore. A lot of people are tired of seeing our favorite characters deconstructed to push an agenda. And Geriatric Jones and the Condescending Sidekick is expected to leave a crater when it drops. Top Gun Maverick, Spiderman No Way Home, and Super Mario Brothers prove that you give people what they want to see rather than what you want to force on them, they'll show up.
Posted by Brokebot on June 19th, 2023 @ 11:34am CDT
DeathReviews wrote:These numbers are weak, no matter how you look at them. Each one of these films had hundreds of millions sunk into their writing, production, marketing, and distribution. For Flash and Elemental especially, they were supposed to come roaring out of the gate and rake in cash by the truckloads. And it obviously isn't happening. And don't tell us it's because everyone is saving up to see "Dial of Destiny" instead.
People can argue all kinds of things as to the reasoning. But ultimately, it all boils down to 3 things: content, content, content. If the entertainment industry was making good films that people wanted to see, then people would be going to see them regardless of any external factors short of a war or a natural disaster. Streaming and Covid did not make movie theaters irrelevant. The content of the films has made movie theaters irrelevant.
Bingo. Hollywood just keeps churning out their "representation" schlock "for modern audiences" and the audiences aren't playing along anymore. A lot of people are tired of seeing our favorite characters deconstructed to push an agenda. And Geriatric Jones and the Condescending Sidekick is expected to leave a crater when it drops. Top Gun Maverick, Spiderman No Way Home, and Super Mario Brothers prove that you give people what they want to see rather than what you want to force on them, they'll show up.
Re: Rise of the Beasts Exceeds Box Office Expectations as Number 1 Film Domestically and Internationally (2163749)
Posted by Bumblevivisector on June 19th, 2023 @ 2:41pm CDT
Posted by Bumblevivisector on June 19th, 2023 @ 2:41pm CDT
Does Father's Day weekend usually produce that big of a box office return in general?
Re: Rise of the Beasts Exceeds Box Office Expectations as Number 1 Film Domestically and Internationally (2163750)
Posted by WiseMan on June 19th, 2023 @ 2:45pm CDT
I've been a TF fan since the beginning and I've seen it all. What I haven't seen, but desperately want to, is a TF movie based on Lost Light. Show me a trailer with Ultra Magnus getting drunk in a bar and people jumping off a roof on him to force him to transform and my butt will be in a movie theater seat to see it. And I bet others would want to see, too.
Posted by WiseMan on June 19th, 2023 @ 2:45pm CDT
Brokebot wrote:Bingo. Hollywood just keeps churning out their "representation" schlock "for modern audiences" and the audiences aren't playing along anymore. A lot of people are tired of seeing our favorite characters deconstructed to push an agenda. And Geriatric Jones and the Condescending Sidekick is expected to leave a crater when it drops. Top Gun Maverick, Spiderman No Way Home, and Super Mario Brothers prove that you give people what they want to see rather than what you want to force on them, they'll show up.
I've been a TF fan since the beginning and I've seen it all. What I haven't seen, but desperately want to, is a TF movie based on Lost Light. Show me a trailer with Ultra Magnus getting drunk in a bar and people jumping off a roof on him to force him to transform and my butt will be in a movie theater seat to see it. And I bet others would want to see, too.
Re: Rise of the Beasts Exceeds Box Office Expectations as Number 1 Film Domestically and Internationally (2163751)
Posted by william-james88 on June 19th, 2023 @ 2:46pm CDT
You can't move away from the box office gross to define a success when every single other method has not resulted in making as much money. They tried having streaming replace the cineplex for high budget movies but had to fall back on that since it simply wasn't as profitable. So the plan right now is still to start with a cinema release and then fallback on streaming as added content for whatever platform. And that means that box office numbers still act as the main way to gauge success.
Also, while you say that all films did bad, yes that's true in general, and the flash just threw a wrench in the mix, hurting itself and the other films too.
BUT Spider-verse still did well. In its third week, it was just shy of beating a newly released animated film from Pixar, that's quite impressive.
Also, I chose to watch the flash (I've been to the the movies every week for the past 3 weeks) and I have to say, it was a great experience. I preferred it to Spiderverse and ROTB but thats because it hit a lot of notes that were very dear to me. It's also the one that my kids were the most invested in while watching.
Hahahaha, very funny. Though I am surprised to see that franchise escaped your grip, Death, I was sure it was a goner after the last one.
Na, we have recent films that show the opposite can work just as well. Black Panther 2 had a female Black Panther and a race switch for Namor for latin american representation and it did very well.
And the biggest film right now is Spider-verse which is all about diversity (both the protagonist and antagonist are people of colour). Plus it has some very politically divissive messages, including a Protect Trans Kids message. That last bit had a lot of people claiming this film would go broke for being woke (like this article: https://citizengo.org/en-ca/fm/210776-s ... ider-verse) but the conversation and controversy has died down after the film was a huge box office success and didn't fit that go woke go broke narrative. Though it has come up again recently due to the film now being banned in UAE for that message: https://www.comingsoon.net/movies/news/ ... -man-movie
In the end, a film can be as woke as it wants to be and give as many messages as it wants to give as long as its popular and enjoyed by people.
Either nominal gross or budget multiplier, depending on the budget.
Final Fantasy 10 sold enough copies for the series to continue.
Just joking around
Posted by william-james88 on June 19th, 2023 @ 2:46pm CDT
First-Aid wrote:NO ONE did well at the box office this weekend. The Flash is a legitimate flat-out flop, worse than ROTB, and Elemental is even worse; looks like Pixar may be 'dead man walking' right now. But both DID detract and draw from the audience of ROTB.
This summer is going to be unique...the short transit time between theater and digital anymore as well as theater prices, which were already high, being affected by inflation is moving people away from theaters in general- especially for movies that they may be "on the fence" seeing. I'm in that group for Flash, honestly. I'm not seeing it in theater but I may see it once it hits streaming/DVD. ROTB I'm planning on seeing again this coming weekend because it was fun, but a lot of my friends- who also plan on repeating seeing it- chose to see FLash this weekend.
Is it time to move away from box office gross in order to truly measure a movie's success? Look at the success of "Mortal Kombat" and how it was released as the new standard?
You can't move away from the box office gross to define a success when every single other method has not resulted in making as much money. They tried having streaming replace the cineplex for high budget movies but had to fall back on that since it simply wasn't as profitable. So the plan right now is still to start with a cinema release and then fallback on streaming as added content for whatever platform. And that means that box office numbers still act as the main way to gauge success.
Also, while you say that all films did bad, yes that's true in general, and the flash just threw a wrench in the mix, hurting itself and the other films too.
BUT Spider-verse still did well. In its third week, it was just shy of beating a newly released animated film from Pixar, that's quite impressive.
Also, I chose to watch the flash (I've been to the the movies every week for the past 3 weeks) and I have to say, it was a great experience. I preferred it to Spiderverse and ROTB but thats because it hit a lot of notes that were very dear to me. It's also the one that my kids were the most invested in while watching.
DeathReviews wrote: And don't tell us it's because everyone is saving up to see "Dial of Destiny" instead.
Hahahaha, very funny. Though I am surprised to see that franchise escaped your grip, Death, I was sure it was a goner after the last one.
Brokebot wrote:Bingo. Hollywood just keeps churning out their "representation" schlock "for modern audiences" and the audiences aren't playing along anymore. A lot of people are tired of seeing our favorite characters deconstructed to push an agenda. And Geriatric Jones and the Condescending Sidekick is expected to leave a crater when it drops. Top Gun Maverick, Spiderman No Way Home, and Super Mario Brothers prove that you give people what they want to see rather than what you want to force on them, they'll show up.
Na, we have recent films that show the opposite can work just as well. Black Panther 2 had a female Black Panther and a race switch for Namor for latin american representation and it did very well.
And the biggest film right now is Spider-verse which is all about diversity (both the protagonist and antagonist are people of colour). Plus it has some very politically divissive messages, including a Protect Trans Kids message. That last bit had a lot of people claiming this film would go broke for being woke (like this article: https://citizengo.org/en-ca/fm/210776-s ... ider-verse) but the conversation and controversy has died down after the film was a huge box office success and didn't fit that go woke go broke narrative. Though it has come up again recently due to the film now being banned in UAE for that message: https://www.comingsoon.net/movies/news/ ... -man-movie
In the end, a film can be as woke as it wants to be and give as many messages as it wants to give as long as its popular and enjoyed by people.
First-Aid wrote:How do you define a box office hit?
Either nominal gross or budget multiplier, depending on the budget.
Note that FF10 also is flopping; this is not a good summer movie season start financially.
Final Fantasy 10 sold enough copies for the series to continue.
Just joking around
Re: Rise of the Beasts Exceeds Box Office Expectations as Number 1 Film Domestically and Internationally (2163752)
Posted by william-james88 on June 19th, 2023 @ 3:27pm CDT
I don't think Brokebot would like anything based on the Lost Light since a big part of it deals with same gender relationships along with gender identity (in the last bit) and from what they've written, they could interpret that as pushing a message.
Posted by william-james88 on June 19th, 2023 @ 3:27pm CDT
WiseMan wrote:Brokebot wrote:Bingo. Hollywood just keeps churning out their "representation" schlock "for modern audiences" and the audiences aren't playing along anymore. A lot of people are tired of seeing our favorite characters deconstructed to push an agenda. And Geriatric Jones and the Condescending Sidekick is expected to leave a crater when it drops. Top Gun Maverick, Spiderman No Way Home, and Super Mario Brothers prove that you give people what they want to see rather than what you want to force on them, they'll show up.
I've been a TF fan since the beginning and I've seen it all. What I haven't seen, but desperately want to, is a TF movie based on Lost Light. Show me a trailer with Ultra Magnus getting drunk in a bar and people jumping off a roof on him to force him to transform and my butt will be in a movie theater seat to see it. And I bet others would want to see, too.
I don't think Brokebot would like anything based on the Lost Light since a big part of it deals with same gender relationships along with gender identity (in the last bit) and from what they've written, they could interpret that as pushing a message.
Re: Rise of the Beasts Exceeds Box Office Expectations as Number 1 Film Domestically and Internationally (2163754)
Posted by Randomhero on June 19th, 2023 @ 3:36pm CDT
Posted by Randomhero on June 19th, 2023 @ 3:36pm CDT
It still has yet to be released in a lot of countries but sure… let’s draw conclusions already.
Re: Rise of the Beasts Exceeds Box Office Expectations as Number 1 Film Domestically and Internationally (2163755)
Posted by YoungPrime on June 19th, 2023 @ 3:46pm CDT
Posted by YoungPrime on June 19th, 2023 @ 3:46pm CDT
It looks like Spider-verse still has strong legs due to it truly having the best word of mouth by both Critics and Audience.
It's no shock that these other lackluster films are falling flat on their faces at the box-office. It's only amazing that Hollywood is too stupid to grasp the reasons why less and less people are breaking their necks to buy tickets.
Paramount in this case gave more than half of the TF fandom the middle finger during the Bay days not realizing that regular moviegoers weren't as loyal as they thought and now here they are... 67% decline.
It's no shock that these other lackluster films are falling flat on their faces at the box-office. It's only amazing that Hollywood is too stupid to grasp the reasons why less and less people are breaking their necks to buy tickets.
Paramount in this case gave more than half of the TF fandom the middle finger during the Bay days not realizing that regular moviegoers weren't as loyal as they thought and now here they are... 67% decline.
Re: Rise of the Beasts Exceeds Box Office Expectations as Number 1 Film Domestically and Internationally (2163756)
Posted by DeathReviews on June 19th, 2023 @ 3:57pm CDT
Oh I reaped that one all right
. But Hollywood treats some franchises like zombies. They keep them shambling around long AFTER they're obviously dead, moaning for brains to eat. Sad, really.
I'm not sure about the box office numbers - but as a merchandising vehicle, Wakanda Forever seems to have been a dismal failure. It's been a year since it came out, but the only thing that seems 'forever' about it are the figures and toys which are still lying in unsold, unwanted heaps on store shelves. That's another sad sight, even for me.
I wouldn't say that makes the film "all about diversity". Though, I've often wondered how these films would have done if they weren't riding on the original Spider-Man's coattails. I find multiverses, time travel, alternate realities and diverging timelines to be an ever-increasingly tiresome gimmick that writers use to inject artificial popularity into stories which would otherwise go unnoticed. Many of today's writers plainly admit, they're not even trying to make their own original stories anymore, they 'just want to see what (insert franchise name here) would be like IF (insert minor plot tweak here)...'
Could be - though I'd quantify that more as 'subliminal advertising'. They flashed the poster for maybe a split second and certainly didn't dwell on it. A message would have been if Gwen or Miles (or both) had danced around in front of the poster, winking, nodding, and saying, "Hey kids! Ask your doctor about this!" I'd say Spiderverse escaped (in some measure) because they weren't gauchely brazen about it. They didn't make it a selling point, unlike other movies such as Lightyear, Strange World, or even Elemental. If they keep it subtle, then most people can watch the show and enjoy it for what it is. But if they do something like Earthspark did, and throw a press conference to announce, 'We're using this show as part of a crusade to re-define what it means to be a family', then I groan and leave it unwatched.
Posted by DeathReviews on June 19th, 2023 @ 3:57pm CDT
Hahahaha, very funny. Though I am surprised to see that franchise escaped your grip, Death, I was sure it was a goner after the last one.
Oh I reaped that one all right
. But Hollywood treats some franchises like zombies. They keep them shambling around long AFTER they're obviously dead, moaning for brains to eat. Sad, really.We have recent films that show the opposite can work just as well. Black Panther 2 had a female Black Panther and a race switch for Namor for latin american representation and it did very well...
I'm not sure about the box office numbers - but as a merchandising vehicle, Wakanda Forever seems to have been a dismal failure. It's been a year since it came out, but the only thing that seems 'forever' about it are the figures and toys which are still lying in unsold, unwanted heaps on store shelves. That's another sad sight, even for me.
And the biggest film right now is Spider-verse which is all about diversity (both the protagonist and antagonist are people of colour).
I wouldn't say that makes the film "all about diversity". Though, I've often wondered how these films would have done if they weren't riding on the original Spider-Man's coattails. I find multiverses, time travel, alternate realities and diverging timelines to be an ever-increasingly tiresome gimmick that writers use to inject artificial popularity into stories which would otherwise go unnoticed. Many of today's writers plainly admit, they're not even trying to make their own original stories anymore, they 'just want to see what (insert franchise name here) would be like IF (insert minor plot tweak here)...'
Plus it has some very politically divisive messages, including a Protect Trans Kids message. But the conversation and controversy has died down after the film was a huge box office success and didn't fit that go woke go broke narrative.
Could be - though I'd quantify that more as 'subliminal advertising'. They flashed the poster for maybe a split second and certainly didn't dwell on it. A message would have been if Gwen or Miles (or both) had danced around in front of the poster, winking, nodding, and saying, "Hey kids! Ask your doctor about this!" I'd say Spiderverse escaped (in some measure) because they weren't gauchely brazen about it. They didn't make it a selling point, unlike other movies such as Lightyear, Strange World, or even Elemental. If they keep it subtle, then most people can watch the show and enjoy it for what it is. But if they do something like Earthspark did, and throw a press conference to announce, 'We're using this show as part of a crusade to re-define what it means to be a family', then I groan and leave it unwatched.
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Posted by YoungPrime on June 19th, 2023 @ 4:00pm CDT
What conclusion...?
Hollywood gets the most of it's return from the domestic box-office. This is fact! And at this rate it may not even reach $200M here in the states. Which isn't a good look. Sure international box-office will help but if you Google China box-office you'll see that Studios only get 25% of whatever that is if they're lucky.
So the only "Conclusion" that I've personally jumped on years ago was Hasbro finding someway to get all of their Movie rights back ASAP! Because Paramount trying to promote some lame crossover when they can't even get either IP right separately is not going to cut it!
Posted by YoungPrime on June 19th, 2023 @ 4:00pm CDT
Randomhero wrote:It still has yet to be released in a lot of countries but sure… let’s draw conclusions already.
What conclusion...?
Hollywood gets the most of it's return from the domestic box-office. This is fact! And at this rate it may not even reach $200M here in the states. Which isn't a good look. Sure international box-office will help but if you Google China box-office you'll see that Studios only get 25% of whatever that is if they're lucky.
So the only "Conclusion" that I've personally jumped on years ago was Hasbro finding someway to get all of their Movie rights back ASAP! Because Paramount trying to promote some lame crossover when they can't even get either IP right separately is not going to cut it!
Re: Rise of the Beasts Exceeds Box Office Expectations as Number 1 Film Domestically and Internationally (2163758)
Posted by o.supreme on June 19th, 2023 @ 4:01pm CDT
Posted by o.supreme on June 19th, 2023 @ 4:01pm CDT
I don't think Transformers is performing badly so much as being lost in the glut of mediocre summer films ( except Spider Verse which is shining). Which unfortunately has the same result.
In years past, even in a crowded summer, every film would usually have 2 weeks to dominate before the next big one came along. Flash and Elemental are not great films, but they both arrived in a week and stole much of RotB box office take. Fortunately it is still doing well internationally,but it could be seen as a financial failure due to budget despite good word of mouth.
In years past, even in a crowded summer, every film would usually have 2 weeks to dominate before the next big one came along. Flash and Elemental are not great films, but they both arrived in a week and stole much of RotB box office take. Fortunately it is still doing well internationally,but it could be seen as a financial failure due to budget despite good word of mouth.
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Posted by Burn on June 19th, 2023 @ 5:20pm CDT
The only markets remaining are Australia/New Zealand (this week) and Japan (August 4), so while I do agree with you saying it's a bit too soon, I can't see the Japanese market making a major impact.
Posted by Burn on June 19th, 2023 @ 5:20pm CDT
Randomhero wrote:It still has yet to be released in a lot of countries but sure… let’s draw conclusions already.
The only markets remaining are Australia/New Zealand (this week) and Japan (August 4), so while I do agree with you saying it's a bit too soon, I can't see the Japanese market making a major impact.
Re: Rise of the Beasts Exceeds Box Office Expectations as Number 1 Film Domestically and Internationally (2163760)
Posted by Spider5800 on June 19th, 2023 @ 7:14pm CDT
Yeah, this is the ACTUAL lesson the studios should be taking. RotB isn't doing mediocre because of poor quality or because it went "woke" (that is provable nonsense based on what's beating it at the box office), it's because they released it in-between 3 other "blockbuster" movie releases in a narrow 3 week timeframe.
This is the same reason Bumblebee sunk, when they decided to release it between the first Spiderverse movie, Aquaman and Mary Poppins. Literally, THEY MADE THE EXACT SAME MISTAKE, and released a Transformers movie against Spider-Man, DC and Disney. Paramount is terrible at timing.
Posted by Spider5800 on June 19th, 2023 @ 7:14pm CDT
o.supreme wrote:I don't think Transformers is performing badly so much as being lost in the glut of mediocre summer films ( except Spider Verse which is shining). Which unfortunately has the same result.
In years past, even in a crowded summer, every film would usually have 2 weeks to dominate before the next big one came along. Flash and Elemental are not great films, but they both arrived in a week and stole much of RotB box office take. Fortunately it is still doing well internationally,but it could be seen as a financial failure due to budget despite good word of mouth.
Yeah, this is the ACTUAL lesson the studios should be taking. RotB isn't doing mediocre because of poor quality or because it went "woke" (that is provable nonsense based on what's beating it at the box office), it's because they released it in-between 3 other "blockbuster" movie releases in a narrow 3 week timeframe.
This is the same reason Bumblebee sunk, when they decided to release it between the first Spiderverse movie, Aquaman and Mary Poppins. Literally, THEY MADE THE EXACT SAME MISTAKE, and released a Transformers movie against Spider-Man, DC and Disney. Paramount is terrible at timing.
Re: Rise of the Beasts Exceeds Box Office Expectations as Number 1 Film Domestically and Internationally (2163761)
Posted by Brokebot on June 19th, 2023 @ 7:29pm CDT
I'm entering the angry-old-man stage. Tomorrow I'm going shopping for a lawn chair so I can yell at neighborhood kids to stay off my lawn and and gripe about "that noise they call music now-a-days."
Posted by Brokebot on June 19th, 2023 @ 7:29pm CDT
william-james88 wrote:I don't think Brokebot would like anything based on the Lost Light since a big part of it deals with same gender relationships along with gender identity (in the last bit) and from what they've written, they could interpret that as pushing a message.
I'm entering the angry-old-man stage. Tomorrow I'm going shopping for a lawn chair so I can yell at neighborhood kids to stay off my lawn and and gripe about "that noise they call music now-a-days."
Re: Rise of the Beasts Exceeds Box Office Expectations as Number 1 Film Domestically and Internationally (2163762)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on June 19th, 2023 @ 8:03pm CDT
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on June 19th, 2023 @ 8:03pm CDT
Kinda surprising just how lackluster the box office this weekend was in general.
Re: Rise of the Beasts Exceeds Box Office Expectations as Number 1 Film Domestically and Internationally (2163773)
Posted by SpaceEagle on June 19th, 2023 @ 10:38pm CDT
Posted by SpaceEagle on June 19th, 2023 @ 10:38pm CDT
I'm on the boat that agrees on how releasing the film alongside three other big names in the film industry probably wasn't the smartest move. Even if most of the comments I see online about Elemental or Flash (which, of course, is not the most reliable of sources) are all about how both films aren't that interesting or good or whatever, I'm sure a lot of people still went to see 'em anyway. Maybe they enjoyed it, maybe they wanted to see how it'll be, maybe they wanted to watch it with friends/family, maybe they had a day off, or hell, maybe they just wanted to "see how bad it is." It still means a ticket sold to that movie and away from RotB's profit.
