Review for IDW Transformers: Lost Light #18
Wednesday, June 13th, 2018 2:37PM CDT
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Lost (Spot)Light
(Spoiler free-ish)
(Spoiler free-ish)
Synopsis
LIGHTS OUT! The “Everlasting Voices” trilogy concludes with an explosion of hope, a grave betrayal… and more answers than you can handle! Events of the last six years build to a frenzy of revelations, casting everything that’s gone before in a new—and deadly—light. No exaggeration, no hyperbole: there has never been a more important issue of Lost Light.
The readers expectant
Story
We reach the final stages of the penultimate arc in this ongoing series and saga, as will be the case for its parallel series Optimus Prime, and the Lost Light comics take a shape that will be familiar to many, unexpected to several, called on by a couple of speculators, and still managing quite a punch - with some cautionary reserves - as it steps onto the next level of the Space Opera with Sad Gay Robots.
..hhng
I also feel the need to begin here with an initial disclaimer: on my first read, I was not overly impressed at some of the turns that James Roberts' script had taken, though I recognised the craft in the narrative and having several threads actually run through since the very beginning. And I mean the VERY Beginning of beginnings.
early enough for you?
And in the vein of moving back to roots and develop story cappings, fans of the More Than Meets the Eye initial, new, fresh feeling, with all of its urgency and ambition is captured almost entirely in this one issue - by retreading some of the ground that was laid back then, in The Quest, in the characters' dynamics, in the acceptance of some sort of end, and some
Plus Whirl is there
So if I started the first notes on this issue by being annoyed (to myself) about the sheer amount of denouement that this trilogy cap brings to the readers' table, narrative- and emotion-wise, I was able to come round to how the issue approaches those answers, what it leaves yet to explore, and how finely Roberts balances the pacing for the entirety of it.
Art
Jack Lawrence is the artist of the Lost Light series. I know there is a direct continuation between MTMTE and LL, but Lost Light is a different (not better, not worse) book in its tone at least, and Lawrence is a big part of what makes it all click. If to all of that you add some seriously masterful layouts, some excruciating reaction scenes, and one touch of smirk-inducing parallelism with MTMTE, you have one of the strongest displays yet in the whole run.
Krok's shocked
A display that is only made fully possible by the colour combinations of Lawrence's partner in art Joana Lafuente, and her skills at bringing some of the harder hitting moments home with the muting or heightening of the shading and lighting are exactly what the book needed in some of the more crucial moments in the second half.
NINE NINE
As shown above, there are also plenty of moments for letterer Tom B Long to shine, with some font work that fits the work we've seen on the Scavengers issues, and the perfect placement of dialogue that is - this time, and very nicely so - essential and kept close to the heart of the story and its characters.
If you were looking for any of the variant covers, you can always find them in our database entry for the issue, including both Alex Milne and Josh Perez versions of the Cast Doing Things - be it be shocked or ..a different kind of shocked, as shown in the thumbnail for this review.
Thoughts
Spoilerish ahead
If I started questioning the negatives of the issue's storyline, I ended appreciating what it did - and wonderfully so in its visual (re)presentation from the team - and it was ScottyP who phrased it best in staff discussions: it did a great job of giving you an answer while leaving the answer ambiguous enough. Not only that, it never lost its core while exploring all of the corollaries.
The humour never killed it
And so, we reach the end, as we start The End in the final pages and following weeks. A lot of what was propelling, under the surface, some of the driving narratives have been somewhat dealt with right now - but there is more, so much more to come in one monster of an arc - and they have received what is possibly the best ending to that story that could've been set out. That is no mean feat.
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½ out of
½ out of Credit(s): IDW
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Re: Review for IDW Transformers: Lost Light #18 (1964839)
Posted by ZeroWolf on June 13th, 2018 @ 2:45pm CDT
Posted by ZeroWolf on June 13th, 2018 @ 2:45pm CDT
Actually while it wasn’t millions of years, the autobots in animated were asleep long enough for sari's dad to age from a kid to an adult.
Edit: didn't realise that the review appeared when I quick posted
good review but if threads are being brought together here, what's that mean for the final arc? Will any of it link to unicron?
Oh AllNewSuperRobot, regarding about what random hero said about hearts of steel predating infiltration (I.e. tfs on earth) that is a very, very recent development that happened after that hardback collection started. So he is technically right.
Edit: didn't realise that the review appeared when I quick posted
good review but if threads are being brought together here, what's that mean for the final arc? Will any of it link to unicron?Oh AllNewSuperRobot, regarding about what random hero said about hearts of steel predating infiltration (I.e. tfs on earth) that is a very, very recent development that happened after that hardback collection started. So he is technically right.
Re: Review for IDW Transformers: Lost Light #18 (1964841)
Posted by Randomhero on June 13th, 2018 @ 2:48pm CDT
Beast wars did as an homeage but everything after decided to use it an introducer for the universe
But they were still using it as an introduction point. It wasn’t until IDW and Simon Furman decided they want to essentially make Ultimate Transformers like marvel had done with their ultimate comics. Modernize them.
My point is if IDW decides to play it safe, they’ll probably do a soft reboot and start the new continuity with them crashing on earth. It’s something that by now is really familiar and a story that will not only attract the fans but hopefully attract the new readers or the ones that didn’t like the IDW-verse.
You start with the autobots crashing on earth you’re gonna get the fans that haven’t read the comics saying “I recognize that! I’m gonna check this out.”
That’s what Dreamwave did, that’s what beast wars did. And animated and armada and so on. It’s something people remembered from the original and can find something to attach to.
Posted by Randomhero on June 13th, 2018 @ 2:48pm CDT
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Yes but, in closing as this is going on too long, not one iteration did it to the same effect. Everyone who crashed got up more or less instantly and carried on their lives. No other series crashed into a dormant volcano and "slept" for millions of years.
The Animated "footage" is also a bit of a hot potato within the community, I have discovered elsewhere.
The bottom line is it is Homage and nothing more. The aim of the writers and series above is only that. Acknowledge it, as easter eggs, for the ever diminishing fans of yesterday and then move on to the New thing. No one wants to go backwards.
Beast wars did as an homeage but everything after decided to use it an introducer for the universe
But they were still using it as an introduction point. It wasn’t until IDW and Simon Furman decided they want to essentially make Ultimate Transformers like marvel had done with their ultimate comics. Modernize them.
My point is if IDW decides to play it safe, they’ll probably do a soft reboot and start the new continuity with them crashing on earth. It’s something that by now is really familiar and a story that will not only attract the fans but hopefully attract the new readers or the ones that didn’t like the IDW-verse.
You start with the autobots crashing on earth you’re gonna get the fans that haven’t read the comics saying “I recognize that! I’m gonna check this out.”
That’s what Dreamwave did, that’s what beast wars did. And animated and armada and so on. It’s something people remembered from the original and can find something to attach to.
Re: Review for IDW Transformers: Lost Light #18 (1964907)
Posted by ricemazter on June 13th, 2018 @ 9:35pm CDT
But out of all the fans who didn't check out the comics, how many of them wouldn't be familiar with something that did take a different route? Like the people who jumped on during the aligned continuity or something?
Either way, my preference would be to keep the comics off earth for a while. In basically every continuity, Earth is the end of the war, a turning point. I'd like to see them start sometime before they get to Earth.
Posted by ricemazter on June 13th, 2018 @ 9:35pm CDT
Randomhero wrote:AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Yes but, in closing as this is going on too long, not one iteration did it to the same effect. Everyone who crashed got up more or less instantly and carried on their lives. No other series crashed into a dormant volcano and "slept" for millions of years.
The Animated "footage" is also a bit of a hot potato within the community, I have discovered elsewhere.
The bottom line is it is Homage and nothing more. The aim of the writers and series above is only that. Acknowledge it, as easter eggs, for the ever diminishing fans of yesterday and then move on to the New thing. No one wants to go backwards.
Beast wars did as an homeage but everything after decided to use it an introducer for the universe
But they were still using it as an introduction point. It wasn’t until IDW and Simon Furman decided they want to essentially make Ultimate Transformers like marvel had done with their ultimate comics. Modernize them.
My point is if IDW decides to play it safe, they’ll probably do a soft reboot and start the new continuity with them crashing on earth. It’s something that by now is really familiar and a story that will not only attract the fans but hopefully attract the new readers or the ones that didn’t like the IDW-verse.
You start with the autobots crashing on earth you’re gonna get the fans that haven’t read the comics saying “I recognize that! I’m gonna check this out.”
That’s what Dreamwave did, that’s what beast wars did. And animated and armada and so on. It’s something people remembered from the original and can find something to attach to.
But out of all the fans who didn't check out the comics, how many of them wouldn't be familiar with something that did take a different route? Like the people who jumped on during the aligned continuity or something?
Either way, my preference would be to keep the comics off earth for a while. In basically every continuity, Earth is the end of the war, a turning point. I'd like to see them start sometime before they get to Earth.
Re: Review for IDW Transformers: Lost Light #18 (1964916)
Posted by Quint on June 13th, 2018 @ 10:32pm CDT
Posted by Quint on June 13th, 2018 @ 10:32pm CDT
Exposition-heavy nonsense. I'm not complaining about the choices, such as the end of the quest and where they are etc etc, but as a read that was atrocious.
Characters were stood around explaining the plot to each other for page after page after page. It didn't read as revelatory, nor as a logical conclusion. Ha, certainly not. It was a huge narrative leap, and it was like listening to characters read aloud from a wiki entry.
Awful IMO.
Characters were stood around explaining the plot to each other for page after page after page. It didn't read as revelatory, nor as a logical conclusion. Ha, certainly not. It was a huge narrative leap, and it was like listening to characters read aloud from a wiki entry.
Awful IMO.
Re: Review for IDW Transformers: Lost Light #18 (1964927)
Posted by Burn on June 14th, 2018 @ 12:53am CDT
Posted by Burn on June 14th, 2018 @ 12:53am CDT
Can we NOT talk about stuff that is not relevant to Lost Light? I don't come into this thread until I'm up to date and I really don't appreciate having to scroll through huge arse long posts about reboots and and shit.
Keep it on topic please.
Keep it on topic please.
Re: Review for IDW Transformers: Lost Light #18 (1964937)
Posted by Va'al on June 14th, 2018 @ 2:18am CDT
That was what my fears and slight concern were about, at the start, but on later reads... the cast that does the whole exposition thing was well balanced in such a way that the different voices work in that kind of setting, especially with a super excitable Rodimus who gets to be right about his mission! In front of everyone! With his character traits and how he's been written, it just clicked, and didn't feel like info dump (say, like the talking heads previously seen, for exampmle).
Not saying you have to think it not awful, just that I initially (almost) agreed with you, then changed my mind on re-reads.
Posted by Va'al on June 14th, 2018 @ 2:18am CDT
Quint wrote:Exposition-heavy nonsense. I'm not complaining about the choices, such as the end of the quest and where they are etc etc, but as a read that was atrocious.
Characters were stood around explaining the plot to each other for page after page after page. It didn't read as revelatory, nor as a logical conclusion. Ha, certainly not. It was a huge narrative leap, and it was like listening to characters read aloud from a wiki entry.
Awful IMO.
That was what my fears and slight concern were about, at the start, but on later reads... the cast that does the whole exposition thing was well balanced in such a way that the different voices work in that kind of setting, especially with a super excitable Rodimus who gets to be right about his mission! In front of everyone! With his character traits and how he's been written, it just clicked, and didn't feel like info dump (say, like the talking heads previously seen, for exampmle).
Not saying you have to think it not awful, just that I initially (almost) agreed with you, then changed my mind on re-reads.
Re: Review for IDW Transformers: Lost Light #18 (1964944)
Posted by Quint on June 14th, 2018 @ 3:06am CDT
Posted by Quint on June 14th, 2018 @ 3:06am CDT
Yet the portrayal of Rodimus in-story is inconsistent, considering that which precipitated the quest in the first place. He has, ultimately, failed to find the Knights. Given the concerns about his own public perception expressed in early MTMTE, this is perhaps an ignominious end.
However that's debatable and isn't the point of my criticism. It's sophomoric storytelling. No matter the emotion on their faces, the characters are literally stood in a room explaining a plot that had, surprisingly for Roberts, little foreshadowing and which ostensibly wraps up the series' original premise.
The more tender character moments were lovely, though, even if Roberts has been drawing from this same well much over the course of these books.
It's also sweet that you're trying hard to like the issue too.
However that's debatable and isn't the point of my criticism. It's sophomoric storytelling. No matter the emotion on their faces, the characters are literally stood in a room explaining a plot that had, surprisingly for Roberts, little foreshadowing and which ostensibly wraps up the series' original premise.
The more tender character moments were lovely, though, even if Roberts has been drawing from this same well much over the course of these books.
It's also sweet that you're trying hard to like the issue too.
Re: Review for IDW Transformers: Lost Light #18 (1964946)
Posted by Va'al on June 14th, 2018 @ 3:19am CDT
Nah, it won me over.
Posted by Va'al on June 14th, 2018 @ 3:19am CDT
Quint wrote:It's also sweet that you're trying hard to like the issue too.
Nah, it won me over.
Re: Review for IDW Transformers: Lost Light #18 (1964954)
Posted by Randomhero on June 14th, 2018 @ 7:26am CDT
Posted by Randomhero on June 14th, 2018 @ 7:26am CDT
Not me. Just a bunch of wasted pages of people just standing around. Page 16 is just panel after panel of Rodimus standing there, pointing at a screen, putting his hands on nickels shoulders just talking. Throw in some flashbacks of the knights finding Cyberutopia! Show the gaurdaians carrying the sick! Show the telepaths banding together! What do we get instead? One panel of Mederi followed by Rodimus and co standing around and explaining everything instead of showing. Even if it’s not actual flashbacks it can be interpreted flashbacks because that’s all Rodimus is doing. Making an interpreted guess on what happened but at least it’s be better than just standing around! A full page of Nautica pointing her finger for a gag.
This is a comic book! Visual media! Don’t need people always just standing around and talking!
I said it on TFW, would it have been acceptable in OP 18 to have prime chained up with shockwave just explaining what happened to him in word bubbles the whole time? Absolute not.
This is a comic book! Visual media! Don’t need people always just standing around and talking!
I said it on TFW, would it have been acceptable in OP 18 to have prime chained up with shockwave just explaining what happened to him in word bubbles the whole time? Absolute not.
Re: Review for IDW Transformers: Lost Light #18 (1964956)
Posted by ScottyP on June 14th, 2018 @ 7:40am CDT
Posted by ScottyP on June 14th, 2018 @ 7:40am CDT
I'm surprised by the negativity. I guess I shouldn't be around you Buzz Killingtons but here we are 
I'm not even going to argue, some of y'all will find a way to dislike literally anything.
Carrying on then, how great was Fulcrum at being this comic's Buzz Killington? Even has the chin.
I'm not even going to argue, some of y'all will find a way to dislike literally anything.
Carrying on then, how great was Fulcrum at being this comic's Buzz Killington? Even has the chin.
Re: Review for IDW Transformers: Lost Light #18 (1964961)
Posted by ZeroWolf on June 14th, 2018 @ 7:55am CDT
Posted by ZeroWolf on June 14th, 2018 @ 7:55am CDT
I think some things can be explained faster through talking then via flashback. We all have to remember though that our opinions are just what we thought of it, it doesn't mean it will be shared (unless people share your tastes and biases)
Personally, I don't see anything wrong with that approach but I'm very easy going.
Personally, I don't see anything wrong with that approach but I'm very easy going.
Re: Review for IDW Transformers: Lost Light #18 (1964968)
Posted by Randomhero on June 14th, 2018 @ 8:10am CDT
And yet there’s plenty that will like it souly for being James Roberts. Plenty of people who will put on rose tinted glasses and act like nothing is wrong because it’s their favorite book and refused to believe there can be anything wrong with it.
This is sometimes comparable to the Legends comics where the dialogue bubbles overpower the art and here. It’s just dialogue bubble after dialogue bubbles with no one doing anything in scenes but stand around and talk. And I get where it’s coming from. That’s a very British tv thing to do which James this comic as. Stand around and talk even fans from the UK have brought that up that. Moonbase2/underbase a UK TF podcast used to being that up a lot. But this is a comic book. It’s suppose to use the art to also tell a story and that’s always been the biggest problem with MTMTE/LL, it would rather just stand around and explain everything than show things happened.
The opening with the guardians. They are attacking them and during the “attack” there’s panels of them just talking at times. Where are the guardians in those panels? Are they taking a breather? Wtf
Posted by Randomhero on June 14th, 2018 @ 8:10am CDT
ScottyP wrote:I'm surprised by the negativity. I guess I shouldn't be around you Buzz Killingtons but here we are
I'm not even going to argue, some of y'all will find a way to dislike literally anything.
Carrying on then, how great was Fulcrum at being this comic's Buzz Killington? Even has the chin.
And yet there’s plenty that will like it souly for being James Roberts. Plenty of people who will put on rose tinted glasses and act like nothing is wrong because it’s their favorite book and refused to believe there can be anything wrong with it.
This is sometimes comparable to the Legends comics where the dialogue bubbles overpower the art and here. It’s just dialogue bubble after dialogue bubbles with no one doing anything in scenes but stand around and talk. And I get where it’s coming from. That’s a very British tv thing to do which James this comic as. Stand around and talk even fans from the UK have brought that up that. Moonbase2/underbase a UK TF podcast used to being that up a lot. But this is a comic book. It’s suppose to use the art to also tell a story and that’s always been the biggest problem with MTMTE/LL, it would rather just stand around and explain everything than show things happened.
The opening with the guardians. They are attacking them and during the “attack” there’s panels of them just talking at times. Where are the guardians in those panels? Are they taking a breather? Wtf
Re: Review for IDW Transformers: Lost Light #18 (1964969)
Posted by Va'al on June 14th, 2018 @ 8:10am CDT
Posted by Va'al on June 14th, 2018 @ 8:10am CDT
I want to see anyone trying to stop Rodimus from talking about how right he is.
Re: Review for IDW Transformers: Lost Light #18 (1964970)
Posted by william-james88 on June 14th, 2018 @ 8:14am CDT
But Roberts has been like this before. He does tend to tell more than to show sometimes especially since his books are more about interpersonal relationships rather than something bombastic. So it could be that people like him because of this different writing technique and while the parts one dislikes about his writing are made more obvious in this issue, this same aspect could be loved by others and thus they dont mind at all what they get in this issue.
The author is not for everyone, but thats why I think he is so beloved. Its kinda like me and David Lynch. That director is clearly not for everyone, but some people dont mind when he goes full on Lynch!
Posted by william-james88 on June 14th, 2018 @ 8:14am CDT
Randomhero wrote:ScottyP wrote:I'm surprised by the negativity. I guess I shouldn't be around you Buzz Killingtons but here we are
I'm not even going to argue, some of y'all will find a way to dislike literally anything.
Carrying on then, how great was Fulcrum at being this comic's Buzz Killington? Even has the chin.
And yet there’s plenty that will like it souly for being James Roberts. Plenty of people who will put on rose tinted glasses and act like nothing is wrong because it’s their favorite book and refused to believe there can be anything wrong with it.
But Roberts has been like this before. He does tend to tell more than to show sometimes especially since his books are more about interpersonal relationships rather than something bombastic. So it could be that people like him because of this different writing technique and while the parts one dislikes about his writing are made more obvious in this issue, this same aspect could be loved by others and thus they dont mind at all what they get in this issue.
The author is not for everyone, but thats why I think he is so beloved. Its kinda like me and David Lynch. That director is clearly not for everyone, but some people dont mind when he goes full on Lynch!
Re: Review for IDW Transformers: Lost Light #18 (1964973)
Posted by Randomhero on June 14th, 2018 @ 8:20am CDT
Megatron did in the ongoing #14. He blew a giant hole in his chest with his railgun, killing him and sending him through space.
Posted by Randomhero on June 14th, 2018 @ 8:20am CDT
Va'al wrote:I want to see anyone trying to stop Rodimus from talking about how right he is.
Megatron did in the ongoing #14. He blew a giant hole in his chest with his railgun, killing him and sending him through space.
Re: Review for IDW Transformers: Lost Light #18 (1964977)
Posted by Va'al on June 14th, 2018 @ 8:29am CDT
Sometimes, I do wish...
Posted by Va'al on June 14th, 2018 @ 8:29am CDT
Randomhero wrote:Va'al wrote:I want to see anyone trying to stop Rodimus from talking about how right he is.
Megatron did in the ongoing #14. He blew a giant hole in his chest with his railgun, killing him and sending him through space.
Sometimes, I do wish...
Re: Review for IDW Transformers: Lost Light #18 (1964980)
Posted by ScottyP on June 14th, 2018 @ 8:43am CDT
I also like how Roberts dgaf about accepted comic book wisdom because a lot of accepted comic book wisdom leads to stories that don't matter and books not worth their cover price. Every time I try out some Marvel book I'm turned off by how vapid they are because they lean too hard on visual storytelling. There's a balance to be achieved and depending on the type of story being told that balance can shift. A hard sci-fi, character driven book like Lost Light needs to be dialogue heavy and exposition heavy. It'd be an unintelligible mess incapable of telling its story without it.
Meanwhile, give something like Scarlett's Strike Force that balance and you'd lose its soul. That's light on words and heavy on visuals and it works - it's an action story. Lost Light has action but is not an action story so it changes the balance.
I don't know why I typed all this, it won't change anyone's mind, but you implied I was defending the book like a loyal dog and that is insulting.
Posted by ScottyP on June 14th, 2018 @ 8:43am CDT
I could nitpick it all day. Cyclonus and Tailgate was emotionally powerful but took too much page space, had at least one cringey line of dialogue, and was resolved too easily. But when I step back and try to see the forest for the trees, it's fine. I'd rather spend the last 3.5-4 months of this continuity having fun and speculating and discussing than I would bitching.Randomhero wrote:ScottyP wrote:I'm surprised by the negativity. I guess I shouldn't be around you Buzz Killingtons but here we are
I'm not even going to argue, some of y'all will find a way to dislike literally anything.
Carrying on then, how great was Fulcrum at being this comic's Buzz Killington? Even has the chin.
And yet there’s plenty that will like it souly for being James Roberts. Plenty of people who will put on rose tinted glasses and act like nothing is wrong because it’s their favorite book and refused to believe there can be anything wrong with it.
I also like how Roberts dgaf about accepted comic book wisdom because a lot of accepted comic book wisdom leads to stories that don't matter and books not worth their cover price. Every time I try out some Marvel book I'm turned off by how vapid they are because they lean too hard on visual storytelling. There's a balance to be achieved and depending on the type of story being told that balance can shift. A hard sci-fi, character driven book like Lost Light needs to be dialogue heavy and exposition heavy. It'd be an unintelligible mess incapable of telling its story without it.
Meanwhile, give something like Scarlett's Strike Force that balance and you'd lose its soul. That's light on words and heavy on visuals and it works - it's an action story. Lost Light has action but is not an action story so it changes the balance.
I don't know why I typed all this, it won't change anyone's mind, but you implied I was defending the book like a loyal dog and that is insulting.
Re: Review for IDW Transformers: Lost Light #18 (1964984)
Posted by Randomhero on June 14th, 2018 @ 8:56am CDT
And I dont understand the belovedness. I don’t!
That being said I didn’t hate the book. I liked the story but disliked the execution. I enjoyed the reveal of the knights but hated the execution of just standing and explaining it all.
Posted by Randomhero on June 14th, 2018 @ 8:56am CDT
william-james88 wrote:Randomhero wrote:ScottyP wrote:I'm surprised by the negativity. I guess I shouldn't be around you Buzz Killingtons but here we are
I'm not even going to argue, some of y'all will find a way to dislike literally anything.
Carrying on then, how great was Fulcrum at being this comic's Buzz Killington? Even has the chin.
And yet there’s plenty that will like it souly for being James Roberts. Plenty of people who will put on rose tinted glasses and act like nothing is wrong because it’s their favorite book and refused to believe there can be anything wrong with it.
But Roberts has been like this before. He does tend to tell more than to show sometimes especially since his books are more about interpersonal relationships rather than something bombastic. So it could be that people like him because of this different writing technique and while the parts one dislikes about his writing are made more obvious in this issue, this same aspect could be loved by others and thus they dont mind at all what they get in this issue.
The author is not for everyone, but thats why I think he is so beloved. Its kinda like me and David Lynch. That director is clearly not for everyone, but some people dont mind when he goes full on Lynch!
And I dont understand the belovedness. I don’t!
That being said I didn’t hate the book. I liked the story but disliked the execution. I enjoyed the reveal of the knights but hated the execution of just standing and explaining it all.
Re: Review for IDW Transformers: Lost Light #18 (1965005)
Posted by Randomhero on June 14th, 2018 @ 9:49am CDT
Because every time there is issues with conduits or pacing or anything critical you fully admit you don’t care because you like MTME/LL. Yeah that’s putting on the rose glasses
Posted by Randomhero on June 14th, 2018 @ 9:49am CDT
ScottyP wrote:I could nitpick it all day. Cyclonus and Tailgate was emotionally powerful but took too much page space, had at least one cringey line of dialogue, and was resolved too easily. But when I step back and try to see the forest for the trees, it's fine. I'd rather spend the last 3.5-4 months of this continuity having fun and speculating and discussing than I would bitching.Randomhero wrote:ScottyP wrote:I'm surprised by the negativity. I guess I shouldn't be around you Buzz Killingtons but here we are
I'm not even going to argue, some of y'all will find a way to dislike literally anything.
Carrying on then, how great was Fulcrum at being this comic's Buzz Killington? Even has the chin.
And yet there’s plenty that will like it souly for being James Roberts. Plenty of people who will put on rose tinted glasses and act like nothing is wrong because it’s their favorite book and refused to believe there can be anything wrong with it.
I also like how Roberts dgaf about accepted comic book wisdom because a lot of accepted comic book wisdom leads to stories that don't matter and books not worth their cover price. Every time I try out some Marvel book I'm turned off by how vapid they are because they lean too hard on visual storytelling. There's a balance to be achieved and depending on the type of story being told that balance can shift. A hard sci-fi, character driven book like Lost Light needs to be dialogue heavy and exposition heavy. It'd be an unintelligible mess incapable of telling its story without it.
Meanwhile, give something like Scarlett's Strike Force that balance and you'd lose its soul. That's light on words and heavy on visuals and it works - it's an action story. Lost Light has action but is not an action story so it changes the balance.
I don't know why I typed all this, it won't change anyone's mind, but you implied I was defending the book like a loyal dog and that is insulting.
Because every time there is issues with conduits or pacing or anything critical you fully admit you don’t care because you like MTME/LL. Yeah that’s putting on the rose glasses
Re: Review for IDW Transformers: Lost Light #18 (1965016)
Posted by ZeroWolf on June 14th, 2018 @ 10:33am CDT
Posted by ZeroWolf on June 14th, 2018 @ 10:33am CDT
But couldn't issues like that very in the eye of the beholder? As I said, we all have different biases. What difference does it make if people aren't bothered by the problems you see?
As Scottish said, I'm glad James writes his own style, not for everyone but they don't have to read it, like I don't touch anything by Frank miller these days. He has his fans but his work is not for me.
As Scottish said, I'm glad James writes his own style, not for everyone but they don't have to read it, like I don't touch anything by Frank miller these days. He has his fans but his work is not for me.
Re: Review for IDW Transformers: Lost Light #18 (1965022)
Posted by DarkEnergon on June 14th, 2018 @ 12:23pm CDT
Posted by DarkEnergon on June 14th, 2018 @ 12:23pm CDT
Ok, I'm really confused, but kind of excited, too. Here is one spoiler question someone has got to be able to explain to me:
Why the @#$@ are Perceptor, Hound, etc. sparkeaters?
Did I miss something, or is it just implied that Getaway did something?
Why the @#$@ are Perceptor, Hound, etc. sparkeaters?
Did I miss something, or is it just implied that Getaway did something?
Re: Review for IDW Transformers: Lost Light #18 (1965033)
Posted by Stormshot_Prime on June 14th, 2018 @ 1:20pm CDT
We can only assume. Remember the sparkeater gun that Brainstorm created? This seems to be playing off the vision that Drift has back in issue 1, so there’s also a big possibility that Pharma is at work here too. If his body was dragged to this medical facility, we can only assume he was repaired before his spark faded.
Which raises another question, was the place Skids saw through the portal this same “Cyberutopia”? What of those orbs of light speaking in symbols?
Posted by Stormshot_Prime on June 14th, 2018 @ 1:20pm CDT
DarkEnergon wrote:Ok, I'm really confused, but kind of excited, too. Here is one spoiler question someone has got to be able to explain to me:
Why the @#$@ are Perceptor, Hound, etc. sparkeaters?
Did I miss something, or is it just implied that Getaway did something?
We can only assume. Remember the sparkeater gun that Brainstorm created? This seems to be playing off the vision that Drift has back in issue 1, so there’s also a big possibility that Pharma is at work here too. If his body was dragged to this medical facility, we can only assume he was repaired before his spark faded.
Which raises another question, was the place Skids saw through the portal this same “Cyberutopia”? What of those orbs of light speaking in symbols?
Re: Review for IDW Transformers: Lost Light #18 (1965034)
Posted by william-james88 on June 14th, 2018 @ 1:35pm CDT
I really hope they answer that.
Posted by william-james88 on June 14th, 2018 @ 1:35pm CDT
Stormshot_Prime wrote:Which raises another question, was the place Skids saw through the portal this same “Cyberutopia”? What of those orbs of light speaking in symbols?
I really hope they answer that.
Re: Review for IDW Transformers: Lost Light #18 (1965064)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on June 14th, 2018 @ 4:26pm CDT
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on June 14th, 2018 @ 4:26pm CDT
As much as I think they have solved the Cyberutopia thing, there are still so many questions with possible answers but nothing concrete. I didn't mind the issue, not mind blowingly awesome, but still good. I think my favorite issue of LL so far was somewhere in 13-15, so it's been better lately.
So to recap what will need answered (and Roberts said everything will be answered), most likely missing some cause I'm me:
How did Tailgate not fade away?
Did Tailgate really die on the Necroworld?
What is up with Necroworld? The foundry from which Cybertron was poured?
The Lost Light and the new crewmember sparkeater army?
First Aid, Thunderclash, and Riptide?
The members reduced to life cords?
Tyrest, Pharma, the Grand Architect?
Grimlock, Scorponok, Flame?
All the talk of warped essence, trapped light, etc. on the spiritual and sort of metaphysical level?
Skid's adventure from issue 21 of MTMTE?
Luna 1 has to be involved somehow. The engines for the planet are in the shape of the 5 clans symbols. and gives us an excuse to see Fort Max and crew again.
Ten having a spark?
Rung's actual alt mode meaning?
Will nautica regain her feelings for Skids?
Will Skids and his trip from MTMTE 21 play a part as in will Skids actually be brought back or something like that?
What planet did the LL crew actually see at the end of 12? were they actually nearly dead and seeing a make believe planet too?
And probably more yet to answer.
So to recap what will need answered (and Roberts said everything will be answered), most likely missing some cause I'm me:
How did Tailgate not fade away?
Did Tailgate really die on the Necroworld?
What is up with Necroworld? The foundry from which Cybertron was poured?
The Lost Light and the new crewmember sparkeater army?
First Aid, Thunderclash, and Riptide?
The members reduced to life cords?
Tyrest, Pharma, the Grand Architect?
Grimlock, Scorponok, Flame?
All the talk of warped essence, trapped light, etc. on the spiritual and sort of metaphysical level?
Skid's adventure from issue 21 of MTMTE?
Luna 1 has to be involved somehow. The engines for the planet are in the shape of the 5 clans symbols. and gives us an excuse to see Fort Max and crew again.
Ten having a spark?
Rung's actual alt mode meaning?
Will nautica regain her feelings for Skids?
Will Skids and his trip from MTMTE 21 play a part as in will Skids actually be brought back or something like that?
What planet did the LL crew actually see at the end of 12? were they actually nearly dead and seeing a make believe planet too?
And probably more yet to answer.
Re: Review for IDW Transformers: Lost Light #18 (1965073)
Posted by Cheesinator on June 14th, 2018 @ 5:07pm CDT
Transformers fandom in a nutshell.
I liked it. Sad to think to even imagine we're coming to an end with our time in this 'verse.
Posted by Cheesinator on June 14th, 2018 @ 5:07pm CDT
ScottyP wrote:I'm surprised by the negativity. I guess I shouldn't be around you Buzz Killingtons but here we are
I'm not even going to argue, some of y'all will find a way to dislike literally anything.
Carrying on then, how great was Fulcrum at being this comic's Buzz Killington? Even has the chin.
Transformers fandom in a nutshell.
I liked it. Sad to think to even imagine we're coming to an end with our time in this 'verse.
Re: Review for IDW Transformers: Lost Light #18 (1965120)
Posted by SynchroBunny on June 15th, 2018 @ 12:03am CDT
Same here. MTMTE/LL for me was a nice little emotional rollercoaster, with some odd-ball characters and a good dose of mystery/conspiracy.
While, yes, I have been enjoying OP and have enjoyed Windblade and the -ation runs, I just didn't feel as attached or enjoyed them as much as MTMTE/LL.
I just found them to be less "political" and more "lets just have some fun" while tossing mysteries in.
I'm really gonna miss the crew's shenanigans. But that's just me.
Question though. In the funtionist universe, who was responsible for Megs getting left behind in the wrong building?
Posted by SynchroBunny on June 15th, 2018 @ 12:03am CDT
Cheesinator wrote:I liked it. Sad to think to even imagine we're coming to an end with our time in this 'verse.
Same here. MTMTE/LL for me was a nice little emotional rollercoaster, with some odd-ball characters and a good dose of mystery/conspiracy.
While, yes, I have been enjoying OP and have enjoyed Windblade and the -ation runs, I just didn't feel as attached or enjoyed them as much as MTMTE/LL.
I just found them to be less "political" and more "lets just have some fun" while tossing mysteries in.
I'm really gonna miss the crew's shenanigans. But that's just me.
Question though. In the funtionist universe, who was responsible for Megs getting left behind in the wrong building?
Re: Review for IDW Transformers: Lost Light #18 (1965133)
Posted by snavej on June 15th, 2018 @ 8:02am CDT
Posted by snavej on June 15th, 2018 @ 8:02am CDT
So the Rodimus gang worked out what Mederi was quite quickly but all the Knights of Cybertron and their Titan(s) didn't, at least not until it was too late? I'm not sure about the likelihood of that.
Re: Review for IDW Transformers: Lost Light #18 (1965136)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on June 15th, 2018 @ 8:13am CDT
Personally I thought the opposite. You had thrilling action storylines in LSoTW (still the best story of IDWverse to me) and Stormbringer. You also had Megatron and the Decepticons given actual intelligence and forethought behind their machinations for the first time, via Origin and the Six Phase Protocols.
A lot of what I've read of RiD/OP and MTMTE/LL just gives off the vibe of "people in robot suits". Discounting what makes the Transformers a unique species in exchange for what is more relatable to the mass market and easier to write.
RiD in particular came across as 'West Wing in Space', which I didn't find engaging in the slightest. Likewise the overt humoured slant of MTMTE/LL rubbed me the wrong way pretty early on.
I have nothing against either series, it just personally feels less like Transformers than LSoTW, the Spotlights or the -Ations did. Too humanised for my taste.
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on June 15th, 2018 @ 8:13am CDT
SynchroBunny wrote:While, yes, I have enjoyed the -ation runs, I just didn't feel as attached or enjoyed them as much as MTMTE/LL.
I just found them to be less "political" and more "lets just have some fun" while tossing mysteries in.
Personally I thought the opposite. You had thrilling action storylines in LSoTW (still the best story of IDWverse to me) and Stormbringer. You also had Megatron and the Decepticons given actual intelligence and forethought behind their machinations for the first time, via Origin and the Six Phase Protocols.
A lot of what I've read of RiD/OP and MTMTE/LL just gives off the vibe of "people in robot suits". Discounting what makes the Transformers a unique species in exchange for what is more relatable to the mass market and easier to write.
RiD in particular came across as 'West Wing in Space', which I didn't find engaging in the slightest. Likewise the overt humoured slant of MTMTE/LL rubbed me the wrong way pretty early on.
I have nothing against either series, it just personally feels less like Transformers than LSoTW, the Spotlights or the -Ations did. Too humanised for my taste.
Re: Review for IDW Transformers: Lost Light #18 (1965143)
Posted by Ironhidensh on June 15th, 2018 @ 8:46am CDT
Very good point! I had forgotten about that. I withdraw the cop out worries.
Posted by Ironhidensh on June 15th, 2018 @ 8:46am CDT
ScottyP wrote:I think there's still more to it that's unresolved, to the point where it can't be a cop-out. The namedrop of Troja Major may help to serve as a reminder that Agonizer pointed out five crests to Velocity and Nautica, yet the flashback to the Knights of Cybertron arriving to Mederi only shows one on the banners.Ironhidensh wrote:ScottyP wrote:So how about issue 18, eh? Loved it and without giving anything away, it delivered on a big twist in a smart way that's way cooler and more sinister than anything I'd speculated.
I dunno yet...... it could be (and I hope and believe it is) brilliant, or it could be a horrible cop out.
Either way, I didn't see it coming.
Very good point! I had forgotten about that. I withdraw the cop out worries.
Re: Review for IDW Transformers: Lost Light #18 (1965191)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on June 15th, 2018 @ 5:44pm CDT
It was confirmed via Roberts that it was Terminus that led Megatron to the wrong building and thus to stay behind.
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on June 15th, 2018 @ 5:44pm CDT
SynchroBunny wrote:Question though. In the funtionist universe, who was responsible for Megs getting left behind in the wrong building?
It was confirmed via Roberts that it was Terminus that led Megatron to the wrong building and thus to stay behind.
Re: Review for IDW Transformers: Lost Light #18 (1965196)
Posted by SynchroBunny on June 15th, 2018 @ 5:55pm CDT
That's perfectly alright ^^ I was only really counting the ongoing runs. The wreckers mini-arcs[?] I found really well written and drawn.
And yeah, I know what you mean about the humanising factor in the main books. But I think that's why I got more attached to the LL crew personally.
And I admit, I did cry a little at a few points over the course of the Wreckers books and the end of Windblade's book. They just felt like natural ends for their development.
Thanks for that. I had a hunch it was but convinced myself otherwise.
Posted by SynchroBunny on June 15th, 2018 @ 5:55pm CDT
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Personally I thought the opposite. You had thrilling action storylines in LSoTW (still the best story of IDWverse to me) and Stormbringer. You also had Megatron and the Decepticons given actual intelligence and forethought behind their machinations for the first time, via Origin and the Six Phase Protocols.
Likewise the overt humoured slant of MTMTE/LL rubbed me the wrong way pretty early on.
I have nothing against either series, it just personally feels less like Transformers than LSoTW, the Spotlights or the -Ations did. Too humanised for my taste.
That's perfectly alright ^^ I was only really counting the ongoing runs. The wreckers mini-arcs[?] I found really well written and drawn.
And yeah, I know what you mean about the humanising factor in the main books. But I think that's why I got more attached to the LL crew personally.
And I admit, I did cry a little at a few points over the course of the Wreckers books and the end of Windblade's book. They just felt like natural ends for their development.
D-Maximal_Primal wrote:It was confirmed via Roberts that it was Terminus that led Megatron to the wrong building and thus to stay behind.
Thanks for that. I had a hunch it was but convinced myself otherwise.
Re: Review for IDW Transformers: Lost Light #18 (1965339)
Posted by WreckerJack on June 16th, 2018 @ 5:58pm CDT
Posted by WreckerJack on June 16th, 2018 @ 5:58pm CDT
Alright ladies and gentlemen, it's that time again! We have for you a preview of Lost Light issue 19 via iTunes. We have posted the pages below so that you can read them if you wish. This issue will be available on iTunes on June 30th but you may pre-order it now so that you don't miss out. The issue will be 29 pages and the description is as follows.
If you are a fan of the comics, check out this variant cover for IDW Optimus Prime!
DEATH FROM ABOVE! Years ago, the crew of the Lost Light fought a demonic Cybertronian mutant that fed on its victims’ souls. Years later, Rodimus and Co. are about to discover that the only thing worse than a sparkeater… is an army of sparkeaters!
If you are a fan of the comics, check out this variant cover for IDW Optimus Prime!
Re: Review for IDW Transformers: Lost Light #18 (1965350)
Posted by Randomhero on June 16th, 2018 @ 6:37pm CDT
Posted by Randomhero on June 16th, 2018 @ 6:37pm CDT
Another 3rd party figure showing in IDW. Drifts alt-mode is traight up mastermind creations Stray. Rodimus’s too
And Cyclonus looks like Cyclonus!...because it’s by the guy who designed IDW Cyclonus but I have missed it. I don’t mind milnes exaggerated look but I’ve missed someone draws his face like it was introduced
And Cyclonus looks like Cyclonus!...because it’s by the guy who designed IDW Cyclonus but I have missed it. I don’t mind milnes exaggerated look but I’ve missed someone draws his face like it was introduced
Re: Review for IDW Transformers: Lost Light #18 (1965360)
Posted by Stormshot_Prime on June 16th, 2018 @ 7:29pm CDT
Isn’t the 3P Rodimus toy based on his comic design, not the other way around?
Speaking of, when the hell are we gonna get a good 3P Drift?
Posted by Stormshot_Prime on June 16th, 2018 @ 7:29pm CDT
Randomhero wrote:Another 3rd party figure showing in IDW. Drifts alt-mode is traight up mastermind creations Stray. Rodimus’s too
And Cyclonus looks like Cyclonus!...because it’s by the guy who designed IDW Cyclonus but I have missed it. I don’t mind milnes exaggerated look but I’ve missed someone draws his face like it was introduced
Isn’t the 3P Rodimus toy based on his comic design, not the other way around?
Speaking of, when the hell are we gonna get a good 3P Drift?
Re: Review for IDW Transformers: Lost Light #18 (1965362)
Posted by Randomhero on June 16th, 2018 @ 7:42pm CDT
Not exactly. If you go back to MTMTE issue 17 I think you can see Rodimus in rare form in his altmode and MMC took a lot of liberties with his altmode. He has pipes in the center of his alt mode in the art and in the figure they’re only to the side.
That’s MTME/LL Rodimus.
Ed is straight up using the mmc toy.
EJ is using their figure. Which he probably just googled LL Rodimus and saw the figure and thought it was an official. That happens more often than it should but that’s world we live in now. A lot of 3rd party toys pop up now on search engines and if you’re not a collector anymore you probably wouldn’t know.
He’s also using Prime Racthets ambulance for ratchet...
Posted by Randomhero on June 16th, 2018 @ 7:42pm CDT
Stormshot_Prime wrote:Randomhero wrote:Another 3rd party figure showing in IDW. Drifts alt-mode is traight up mastermind creations Stray. Rodimus’s too
And Cyclonus looks like Cyclonus!...because it’s by the guy who designed IDW Cyclonus but I have missed it. I don’t mind milnes exaggerated look but I’ve missed someone draws his face like it was introduced
Isn’t the 3P Rodimus toy based on his comic design, not the other way around?
Speaking of, when the hell are we gonna get a good 3P Drift?
Not exactly. If you go back to MTMTE issue 17 I think you can see Rodimus in rare form in his altmode and MMC took a lot of liberties with his altmode. He has pipes in the center of his alt mode in the art and in the figure they’re only to the side.
That’s MTME/LL Rodimus.
Ed is straight up using the mmc toy.
EJ is using their figure. Which he probably just googled LL Rodimus and saw the figure and thought it was an official. That happens more often than it should but that’s world we live in now. A lot of 3rd party toys pop up now on search engines and if you’re not a collector anymore you probably wouldn’t know.
He’s also using Prime Racthets ambulance for ratchet...
Re: Review for IDW Transformers: Lost Light #18 (1965363)
Posted by Stormshot_Prime on June 16th, 2018 @ 7:47pm CDT
I definitely noticed the Ratchet bit, it makes me think we actually haven’t seen his alt mode in this body. I’m a huge fan of MTMTE/LL but there seriously aren’t enough transformations. Spotlight: Sixshot had him alone transform a dozen times or more.
So what you’re saying is the toy was made before we got a clear look at Roddy’s alt mode, and then this different artist is using that as a reference?
Posted by Stormshot_Prime on June 16th, 2018 @ 7:47pm CDT
Randomhero wrote:Stormshot_Prime wrote:Randomhero wrote:Another 3rd party figure showing in IDW. Drifts alt-mode is traight up mastermind creations Stray. Rodimus’s too
And Cyclonus looks like Cyclonus!...because it’s by the guy who designed IDW Cyclonus but I have missed it. I don’t mind milnes exaggerated look but I’ve missed someone draws his face like it was introduced
Isn’t the 3P Rodimus toy based on his comic design, not the other way around?
Speaking of, when the hell are we gonna get a good 3P Drift?
Not exactly. If you go back to MTMTE issue 17 I think you can see Rodimus in rare form in his altmode and MMC took a lot of liberties with his altmode. He has pipes in the center of his alt mode in the art and in the figure they’re only to the side.
EJ is using their figure. Which he probably just googled LL Rodimus and saw the figure and thought it was an official. That happens more often than it should but that’s world we live in now. A lot of 3rd party toys pop up now on search engines and if you’re not a collector anymore you probably wouldn’t know.
He’s also using Prime Racthets ambulance for ratchet...
I definitely noticed the Ratchet bit, it makes me think we actually haven’t seen his alt mode in this body. I’m a huge fan of MTMTE/LL but there seriously aren’t enough transformations. Spotlight: Sixshot had him alone transform a dozen times or more.
So what you’re saying is the toy was made before we got a clear look at Roddy’s alt mode, and then this different artist is using that as a reference?
Re: Review for IDW Transformers: Lost Light #18 (1965364)
Posted by Randomhero on June 16th, 2018 @ 7:51pm CDT
Rodimus has transformed 5 times in MTMTE. Issue one which is a tiny panel, the annual which was drawn by someone else you cant see him very well also one panel. Issue 17 which is what I posted in my edit and the only clear image of his alt mode and in 50 and 55 but they’re not views that give you any details of it and their toy was already out
EJ even added details that’s are unique to The MMC figure lol
Posted by Randomhero on June 16th, 2018 @ 7:51pm CDT
Stormshot_Prime wrote:Randomhero wrote:Stormshot_Prime wrote:Randomhero wrote:Another 3rd party figure showing in IDW. Drifts alt-mode is traight up mastermind creations Stray. Rodimus’s too
And Cyclonus looks like Cyclonus!...because it’s by the guy who designed IDW Cyclonus but I have missed it. I don’t mind milnes exaggerated look but I’ve missed someone draws his face like it was introduced
Isn’t the 3P Rodimus toy based on his comic design, not the other way around?
Speaking of, when the hell are we gonna get a good 3P Drift?
Not exactly. If you go back to MTMTE issue 17 I think you can see Rodimus in rare form in his altmode and MMC took a lot of liberties with his altmode. He has pipes in the center of his alt mode in the art and in the figure they’re only to the side.
EJ is using their figure. Which he probably just googled LL Rodimus and saw the figure and thought it was an official. That happens more often than it should but that’s world we live in now. A lot of 3rd party toys pop up now on search engines and if you’re not a collector anymore you probably wouldn’t know.
He’s also using Prime Racthets ambulance for ratchet...
I definitely noticed the Ratchet bit, it makes me think we actually haven’t seen his alt mode in this body. I’m a huge fan of MTMTE/LL but there seriously aren’t enough transformations. Spotlight: Sixshot had him alone transform a dozen times or more.
So what you’re saying is the toy was made before we got a clear look at Roddy’s alt mode, and then this different artist is using that as a reference?
Rodimus has transformed 5 times in MTMTE. Issue one which is a tiny panel, the annual which was drawn by someone else you cant see him very well also one panel. Issue 17 which is what I posted in my edit and the only clear image of his alt mode and in 50 and 55 but they’re not views that give you any details of it and their toy was already out
EJ even added details that’s are unique to The MMC figure lol
Re: Review for IDW Transformers: Lost Light #18 (1965373)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on June 16th, 2018 @ 9:29pm CDT
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on June 16th, 2018 @ 9:29pm CDT
And Chromedome is drawn using his TR toy alt mode, not is Batman Tumbler-esque alt mode. It's actually really fun to see the alt mode differences EJ used.
And speaking of which, it is cool to see EJ's art again. him, Casey Coller, all kinds of different artists for the final sprint to the end, I like that.
Also really wondering what Getaway did to turn the crew into Sparkeaters. and why Perceptor just blasted Brainstorm instead of trying to take his spark. Also kinda cute the way Stormy tries to bring him back to his sense.
And speaking of which, it is cool to see EJ's art again. him, Casey Coller, all kinds of different artists for the final sprint to the end, I like that.
Also really wondering what Getaway did to turn the crew into Sparkeaters. and why Perceptor just blasted Brainstorm instead of trying to take his spark. Also kinda cute the way Stormy tries to bring him back to his sense.
Re: Review for IDW Transformers: Lost Light #18 (1965423)
Posted by Flashwave on June 17th, 2018 @ 10:18am CDT
Posted by Flashwave on June 17th, 2018 @ 10:18am CDT
Aww dude. Thats a sucky way to go out. "So what's gonna happen to the LL crew?"
"Oh, I'm jist gonna turn 150 Autobots in Sparkeaters. Off panel."
I mean, its not like there is time, but there were aome beloved Autobots in there.
Defensor was on that ship... Did Defensor get turned? Do we even want to know if there is a 10 story tall SparkEater running around?
"Oh, I'm jist gonna turn 150 Autobots in Sparkeaters. Off panel."
I mean, its not like there is time, but there were aome beloved Autobots in there.
Defensor was on that ship... Did Defensor get turned? Do we even want to know if there is a 10 story tall SparkEater running around?
Re: Review for IDW Transformers: Lost Light #18 (1965426)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on June 17th, 2018 @ 10:30am CDT
There isn't. First Aid, Thunderclash, and Riptide escaped in Star Saber's ship in issue 12 while Rook was killed in his sleep by Atomizer, Ambulon was used as a leg to replace him but is dead, and the rest of the protectobots were shot apart by the security crew after Star Saber beat Defensor into pieces like Defensor was a giant wuss. So First Aid is the only member of Defensor still alive (or at least not comatose and full of holes).
And not like it matters anyway, the entire crew has had their mind wiped and re-written so many times by a sociopath being paid with brains and spines to chew on from other crew members, so it's not like any part of the ship's crew was actually redeemable.
In case you can't tell, Issue 12 is still very much a sour point for me, as is the handling of the protectobots and the mutineers as a whole.
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on June 17th, 2018 @ 10:30am CDT
Flashwave wrote:Aww dude. Thats a sucky way to go out. "So what's gonna happen to the LL crew?"
"Oh, I'm jist gonna turn 150 Autobots in Sparkeaters. Off panel."
I mean, its not like there is time, but there were aome beloved Autobots in there.
Defensor was on that ship... Did Defensor get turned? Do we even want to know if there is a 10 story tall SparkEater running around?
There isn't. First Aid, Thunderclash, and Riptide escaped in Star Saber's ship in issue 12 while Rook was killed in his sleep by Atomizer, Ambulon was used as a leg to replace him but is dead, and the rest of the protectobots were shot apart by the security crew after Star Saber beat Defensor into pieces like Defensor was a giant wuss. So First Aid is the only member of Defensor still alive (or at least not comatose and full of holes).
And not like it matters anyway, the entire crew has had their mind wiped and re-written so many times by a sociopath being paid with brains and spines to chew on from other crew members, so it's not like any part of the ship's crew was actually redeemable.
In case you can't tell, Issue 12 is still very much a sour point for me, as is the handling of the protectobots and the mutineers as a whole.
Re: Review for IDW Transformers: Lost Light #18 (1965427)
Posted by Flashwave on June 17th, 2018 @ 10:34am CDT
yeah, that arc was so prety so so. Ambulon makes things difficult, but I wouldnt be surprised if the Comatose couldve been turned.
Posted by Flashwave on June 17th, 2018 @ 10:34am CDT
D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Flashwave wrote:Aww dude. Thats a sucky way to go out. "So what's gonna happen to the LL crew?"
"Oh, I'm jist gonna turn 150 Autobots in Sparkeaters. Off panel."
I mean, its not like there is time, but there were aome beloved Autobots in there.
Defensor was on that ship... Did Defensor get turned? Do we even want to know if there is a 10 story tall SparkEater running around?
There isn't. First Aid, Thunderclash, and Riptide escaped in Star Saber's ship in issue 12 while Rook was killed in his sleep by Atomizer, Ambulon was used as a leg to replace him but is dead, and the rest of the protectobots were shot apart by the security crew after Star Saber beat Defensor into pieces like Defensor was a giant wuss. So First Aid is the only member of Defensor still alive (or at least not comatose and full of holes).
And not like it matters anyway, the entire crew has had their mind wiped and re-written so many times by a sociopath being paid with brains and spines to chew on from other crew members, so it's not like any part of the ship's crew was actually redeemable.
In case you can't tell, Issue 12 is still very much a sour point for me, as is the handling of the protectobots and the mutineers as a whole.
yeah, that arc was so prety so so. Ambulon makes things difficult, but I wouldnt be surprised if the Comatose couldve been turned.
Re: Review for IDW Transformers: Lost Light #18 (1965430)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on June 17th, 2018 @ 10:53am CDT
Even if the comatose could be turned, that leaves a Defensor with no legs, seeing as how First Aid managed to escape, even if the turned could combine with Ambulon again.
And Mirage is dead too, and Roberts established that either Getaway didn't know he was a combiner limb, or IDW isn't scramble city where a limb from another combiner can just jump to a different combiner
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on June 17th, 2018 @ 10:53am CDT
Flashwave wrote:yeah, that arc was so prety so so. Ambulon makes things difficult, but I wouldnt be surprised if the Comatose couldve been turned.
Even if the comatose could be turned, that leaves a Defensor with no legs, seeing as how First Aid managed to escape, even if the turned could combine with Ambulon again.
And Mirage is dead too, and Roberts established that either Getaway didn't know he was a combiner limb, or IDW isn't scramble city where a limb from another combiner can just jump to a different combiner
Re: Review for IDW Transformers: Lost Light #18 (1965600)
Posted by Big Grim on June 19th, 2018 @ 7:17am CDT
Posted by Big Grim on June 19th, 2018 @ 7:17am CDT
Gotta admit, seeing the crew turned like that bummed me out. Some really good characters there just...dead. Can't help but think they and the likes of Defensor deserved a lot better. But then, we've seen Cybertronians die before. Usually in G1 comics in the UK by Furman. But still...
Re: Review for IDW Transformers: Lost Light #18 (1965613)
Posted by ZeroWolf on June 19th, 2018 @ 9:28am CDT
Posted by ZeroWolf on June 19th, 2018 @ 9:28am CDT
To be fair, given some theories about how unicron will play out, they will all die then...in a universe destroying event and a lot of characters will be killed graphically.
Re: Review for IDW Transformers: Lost Light #18 (1965627)
Posted by Big Grim on June 19th, 2018 @ 11:19am CDT
Posted by Big Grim on June 19th, 2018 @ 11:19am CDT
For sure. I've just been invested in this for a long, long time. But yeah, a LOT of bots were killed during Time Wars and also during Unicron's attack in the G1 comics, so it's nothin' new.
Re: Review for IDW Transformers: Lost Light #18 (1965629)
Posted by ZeroWolf on June 19th, 2018 @ 11:23am CDT
Posted by ZeroWolf on June 19th, 2018 @ 11:23am CDT
Hah, don't forget the underbase saga
A thought occurs mind, the grand architect...wouldn't it be funny if Roberts decided to make it the one character that should have stayed in the g1 toon to be forgotten...Primacon.
A thought occurs mind, the grand architect...wouldn't it be funny if Roberts decided to make it the one character that should have stayed in the g1 toon to be forgotten...Primacon.
Re: Review for IDW Transformers: Lost Light #18 (1965659)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on June 19th, 2018 @ 5:07pm CDT
Nah, the Grand Architect is either totally a time displaced Getaway or Brainstorm or someone like that
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on June 19th, 2018 @ 5:07pm CDT
ZeroWolf wrote:Hah, don't forget the underbase saga
A thought occurs mind, the grand architect...wouldn't it be funny if Roberts decided to make it the one character that should have stayed in the g1 toon to be forgotten...Primacon.
Nah, the Grand Architect is either totally a time displaced Getaway or Brainstorm or someone like that
Re: Review for IDW Transformers: Lost Light #18 (1965663)
Posted by ZeroWolf on June 19th, 2018 @ 5:17pm CDT
Posted by ZeroWolf on June 19th, 2018 @ 5:17pm CDT
Only reason I thought of it was to say that this series does tie into unicron, though I feel that whatever happens, Roberts will get flack for it.
Re: Review for IDW Transformers: Lost Light #18 (1965669)
Posted by Ironhidensh on June 19th, 2018 @ 6:33pm CDT
Springer
Posted by Ironhidensh on June 19th, 2018 @ 6:33pm CDT
D-Maximal_Primal wrote:ZeroWolf wrote:Hah, don't forget the underbase saga
A thought occurs mind, the grand architect...wouldn't it be funny if Roberts decided to make it the one character that should have stayed in the g1 toon to be forgotten...Primacon.
Nah, the Grand Architect is either totally a time displaced Getaway or Brainstorm or someone like that
Springer
Re: Review for IDW Transformers: Lost Light #18 (1965673)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on June 19th, 2018 @ 6:58pm CDT
I thought that too, but Springer wouldn't be trying to do all this crap as far as I would believe.
Although, I have thought about this: what if Springer going back in time is what ends this universe? He succeeds, and slowly time starts to change, and when it looks like Unicron is about to win, everything finally finishes changing in a flash, and Cybertron is peaceful, the war never happened, Unicron never came, and the LL quest never needed to happen, thus saving everyone and stopping the Grand Architect
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on June 19th, 2018 @ 6:58pm CDT
Ironhidensh wrote:D-Maximal_Primal wrote:ZeroWolf wrote:Hah, don't forget the underbase saga
A thought occurs mind, the grand architect...wouldn't it be funny if Roberts decided to make it the one character that should have stayed in the g1 toon to be forgotten...Primacon.
Nah, the Grand Architect is either totally a time displaced Getaway or Brainstorm or someone like that
Springer
I thought that too, but Springer wouldn't be trying to do all this crap as far as I would believe.
Although, I have thought about this: what if Springer going back in time is what ends this universe? He succeeds, and slowly time starts to change, and when it looks like Unicron is about to win, everything finally finishes changing in a flash, and Cybertron is peaceful, the war never happened, Unicron never came, and the LL quest never needed to happen, thus saving everyone and stopping the Grand Architect
