Recycled Footage From "The Island" in Dark Of The Moon

Ehhh, it worked for what it needed to do.

Now, if someone could explain how the Dreads could run faster (or it appeared to me they were) then the 3 autobot (high performance cars) could drive?

And your point is....

SlyTF1 wrote:I know, I saw this. He also used footage from Pearl Harbor in the first TF movie. Though it was a short clip.

Which footage from "Pearl Harbor" was used in the first movie?

dirk2243 wrote:Ehhh, it worked for what it needed to do.

Now, if someone could explain how the Dreads could run faster (or it appeared to me they were) then the 3 autobot (high performance cars) could drive?

Because they have dreads. That means they're able to run fast.

KingEmperor wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote:I know, I saw this. He also used footage from Pearl Harbor in the first TF movie. Though it was a short clip.

Which footage from "Pearl Harbor" was used in the first movie?

That clip of the aircraft carrier. It was a short clip. It was used in ROTF too when Galloway was recaping the end of the first movie.

Even though the results were seemingly good in TF3, seeing this makes it feel slightly cheapened to me. Never saw The Island, so I'd have never known likely.

This is nothing new, footage sounds & music have all be reused in movies and tv shows before so why should it be a shock that bay does it too? never knew the island was a bay film, guess thats why it was so mediocre.

FanimusMaximus wrote:And your point is....

To solicit snarky comments

Wow somebody watches too many movies

hey, if he can use explosion scenes from other movies and can help use the movies budget elsewhere.. i'm all for it.

especially since i've never seen the island and don't care to.

I was wondering why one of the dreads was looking like it was throwing a car and not succeeding at it. I'm not mad about reusing footage from another movie, it was still awesome. Bay re-used the UAV drone camera spy plane scene in the first and second transformers movies. And he didn't change anything in either shot.

Disney did this pretty notoriously through out the 50's-90's.

So what? If it meant that he saved totalling a few cars and saved money he could use elsewhere in the movie, I don't care. I never saw The Island so all the footage was brand new to me. To be honest, it is more believable in DOTM than a flying metal plate.

Screamfleet wrote:Disney did this pretty notoriously through out the 50's-90's.

Yup, the most obvious one I can think of is the ending dance in Beauty and The Beast. They ran out of money doing the CG stuff and couldn't animate the ending so they painted over the ending dance from Sleeping Beauty.

Pretty lame. It might be done a lot, but that doesn't mean its a good thing. And I'm speaking about live action movies.. anything else doesn't really matter since its animation, and not real anyway. I finally saw the movie, and save like 2-3 scenes, it was pretty dull, such that I stopped caring about what happens next and was just waiting to see more bot on bot combat.
Can someone name a good sci fi movie on this sorta budget that re-uses footage?

well they used the sound of darthvaders tie fighter from 'A new Hope' in the GI Joe animated movie when serpentor is using his glider in the arctic battle

it happens no big deal

What a cheap bastard, LOL.

ShardFenix wrote:well they used the sound of darthvaders tie fighter from 'A new Hope' in the GI Joe animated movie when serpentor is using his glider in the arctic battle

it happens no big deal

Also they sometimes use the lightsaber sounds in the G1 cartoon, for example when Soundwave makes the Energon cubes come out of his chest.

ShardFenix wrote:it happens no big deal

Yup, couldn't agree more. It's called stock footage and film makers use it all the time to save cash. What would you rather have, brand new footage of cars getting crushed or more CGI Transformers on screen?

Why is this such a big deal but using footage of President Kennedy, President Nixon and the moon landing is not getting discussed?

Trikeboy wrote:

ShardFenix wrote:it happens no big deal

Yup, couldn't agree more. It's called stock footage and film makers use it all the time to save cash. What would you rather have, brand new footage of cars getting crushed or more CGI Transformers on screen?

Why is this such a big deal but using footage of President Kennedy, President Nixon and the moon landing is not getting discussed?

Uhm... i'm pretty sure that kennedy footage was to enforce the reality of the Transformers story by splicing it with real and fake footage. Not really the same thing being discussed here.

Your right though, it isn't a big deal; I sure as hell don't care. But I can say I haven't really noticed any footage being re-used in the sci fi movies (even movies in general) I'm into. If people are so aware of it being done so much, please name some good movies that also re-use footage from the previous chapter, or even from the same movie.
Am I the only one who sees the principle in having nothing but first-time, unique footage in a new piece of work? especially a movie? I get its a short bit here and there, but it just seems to push the movie further away from a piece of art, and closer to a marketed product.

I don't see the problem, not using recycled footage when it's applicable sounds wasteful to me. It's only a couple of seconds anyway, it's not like the entire sequence was reused.

He used it and he's a cheap bastard for it, big deal. The budget for this film did not require it. So what, move along.

MINDVVIPE wrote:

Trikeboy wrote:

ShardFenix wrote:it happens no big deal

Yup, couldn't agree more. It's called stock footage and film makers use it all the time to save cash. What would you rather have, brand new footage of cars getting crushed or more CGI Transformers on screen?

Why is this such a big deal but using footage of President Kennedy, President Nixon and the moon landing is not getting discussed?

Uhm... i'm pretty sure that kennedy footage was to enforce the reality of the Transformers story by splicing it with real and fake footage. Not really the same thing being discussed here.

Your right though, it isn't a big deal; I sure as hell don't care. But I can say I haven't really noticed any footage being re-used in the sci fi movies (even movies in general) I'm into. If people are so aware of it being done so much, please name some good movies that also re-use footage from the previous chapter, or even from the same movie.

Star Wars. When the Jawa's are selling R2 and 3PO they reuse a shot of R2 looking at the camera with R5D4 (the red one) behind him. It is obvious because the reuse is after R5 blows his top on the way to the homestead.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbmqnINyLXM

The shot is at 2:09 then reused at 3:26.

Trikeboy wrote:
Star Wars. When the Jawa's are selling R2 and 3PO they reuse a shot of R2 looking at the camera with R5D4 (the red one) behind him. It is obvious because the reuse is after R5 blows his top on the way to the homestead.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbmqnINyLXM

The shot is at 2:09 then reused at 3:26.

Thats close, but if you really pay attention to the position of the jawas in the background, its technically not the same footage... PERHAPS its a segment of the same camera footage at a later time, but it is different. Wow I feel like a nerd.

There is also the footage from Superman of him pushing the boulders to stop the flood from the end of the movie. The footage, before you see Superman was used in a TV show, I think it was the pilot episode of Knight Rider but I can't remember exactly.

lol he filmed that in theaters........LAWSUIT!!1!

I'm always fascinated by people who pick up on this stuff, it's pretty impressive to have the patience to go through all that material and look for identical shots.

And? Every movie has stock footage. At least he uses his own.

It's a nonissue.

Eh, as long as it worked for me. Awesome scene nonetheless.

You know, this doesn't bother me, except I just thought of something.
Didn't Michael Bay say he shot the whole thing in 3D? Isn't that all part of the process? The Island certainly wasn't filmed in 3D. I suppose that scene is so digitally changed it doesn't matter. Maybe it was all digital to begin with.

Ever seen a Godzilla flick? They're made mostly of previous Godzilla flicks.

Spleenzorio wrote:

ShardFenix wrote:well they used the sound of darthvaders tie fighter from 'A new Hope' in the GI Joe animated movie when serpentor is using his glider in the arctic battle

it happens no big deal

Also they sometimes use the lightsaber sounds in the G1 cartoon, for example when Soundwave makes the Energon cubes come out of his chest.

another one the laser blasts is C3P0 getting shot in Cloud City from Empire Strikes Back, they use that a few times in the G1 cartoon. I think Dark Awakening is the most obvious example.

Let's not forget the most used one, the Wilhem scream. How many movies does that appear in? Too many to count these days.

thanks for sharing person who made video i say is this who cares he should have done this roft was released in first movie they show 4 autobots crashing to earth when decepticons in second film are about to enter big fight of the second film they showed same clip from the first film 4 autobots flying down to earth from space.

as someone stated on here everyone does it this only gives criritcs something to complain about thats all

dirk2243 wrote:Ehhh, it worked for what it needed to do.

Now, if someone could explain how the Dreads could run faster (or it appeared to me they were) then the 3 autobot (high performance cars) could drive?

- Because they could jump over cars and the autobots had to swerve around them
- because the decepticons don't care about damaging stuff and killing humans

RhA wrote:Ever seen a Godzilla flick? They're made mostly of previous Godzilla flicks.

Your message intrigues me and I would like to sign up for your news letter.

At least he reuses footage from his own movies. Jeez, you guys will find anything to bash this guy! Can't even admit the movie was good.

I actually think it's kinda neat they reused footage. But it does make wonder, could those few seconds have been better spent in this very long movie?

Props to the people who notice things like this. I basically glaze over like an idiot at the movies, especially when it's giant robot action! I'm such a sucker for digital and S.E. destruction!

Screamfleet wrote:You know, this doesn't bother me, except I just thought of something.
Didn't Michael Bay say he shot the whole thing in 3D? Isn't that all part of the process? The Island certainly wasn't filmed in 3D. I suppose that scene is so digitally changed it doesn't matter. Maybe it was all digital to begin with.

That's a good point. It'd be worth seeing the movie again to see if there is a discernible difference in the 3D effect.

ninjascythe79 wrote:Wow somebody watches too many movies

No, I've only seen The Island once back in 2005 and when I saw DOTM I knew this footage was from the island. Some of us are observant and only need to see a movie once to see footage in other films.

Trikeboy wrote:

ShardFenix wrote:it happens no big deal

Yup, couldn't agree more. It's called stock footage and film makers use it all the time to save cash. What would you rather have, brand new footage of cars getting crushed or more CGI Transformers on screen?

Why is this such a big deal but using footage of President Kennedy, President Nixon and the moon landing is not getting discussed?

HA! Kennedy looked like a corpse sitting in a chair.

Spleenzorio wrote:

ShardFenix wrote:well they used the sound of darthvaders tie fighter from 'A new Hope' in the GI Joe animated movie when serpentor is using his glider in the arctic battle

it happens no big deal

Also they sometimes use the lightsaber sounds in the G1 cartoon, for example when Soundwave makes the Energon cubes come out of his chest.

They did it in the 4th episode of Animated too, when Prowl was trying to outsmart the laser sensors that Megatron took control of.

zodconvoy wrote:And? Every movie has stock footage. At least he uses his own.

It's a nonissue.

EXACTLY! The only thing that this proves is that someone has entirely too much **** free time on their hands and doesn't know how to actually enjoy a film for entertainments sake like it's intended.
Even in the Entertainment Industry the budget is tight so you have to save a buck where you can. The U.S. Govt should be paying attention to Hollywood and taking notes on how to save a buck AND still produce something decent.

SlyTF1 wrote:

Spleenzorio wrote:

ShardFenix wrote:well they used the sound of darthvaders tie fighter from 'A new Hope' in the GI Joe animated movie when serpentor is using his glider in the arctic battle

it happens no big deal

Also they sometimes use the lightsaber sounds in the G1 cartoon, for example when Soundwave makes the Energon cubes come out of his chest.

They did it in the 4th episode of Animated too, when Prowl was trying to outsmart the laser sensors that Megatron took control of.

Also in the original animated TF movie, when Soundwave plugs himself into the Decepticon computer (the 'More than you imagine, Optimus Prime' scene), the sound effect used is the TARDIS door opening effect from 'Doctor Who'.

wow...the dreads run faster than bumblebee in vehicle form....hmmm ....the dreads MUST have entered the olympics 100 miles dash...

Pontimax 01 wrote:

Screamfleet wrote:You know, this doesn't bother me, except I just thought of something.
Didn't Michael Bay say he shot the whole thing in 3D? Isn't that all part of the process? The Island certainly wasn't filmed in 3D. I suppose that scene is so digitally changed it doesn't matter. Maybe it was all digital to begin with.

That's a good point. It'd be worth seeing the movie again to see if there is a discernible difference in the 3D effect.

If there is, then I can definitely see a problem with stock footage from non-3D sources.
If there isn't, well... that shows how much this whole shooting in 3D thing is marketing bullshit. Basically, lose/lose situation.


Good thing I don't give a shit about 3D.

I can't believe it!!! i pay for some recicled movie elements! last thing i expected...another disappointed in DOTM

Meh, I saw that gif on FaceBook when one of my friends posted it. Never saw The Island, but it didn't look good to begin with. As for the footage being recycled, I'm really not surprised, this is Michael Bay after all, his idea of a plot is building a model of a building and blowing it up with an M-80, but it was interesting to see the scene in the original movie then how it was edited in DotM.

I have the same mindset as EssThree about 3D. Its very much useless, only as a gimmick is it effective. Its also a technology that is older than a majority of the people seeing this movie I believe (unfounded fact, I know, but it is a good guesstimate), so using it nowadays is just like recycling footage, useless to argue over, and not worth the jacked up price to see a movie in 3D.
What is the cost to see a movie in 3d again? Last one I saw was Alice in Wonderland (GREAT movie BTW), and I think it was around $20 per ticket while the average cost of a non-3D ticket is $9.50. A shit movie is still going to be shit if you see it in 3D or not (I'm not saying this movie is shit as I haven't seen it yet, I'm just speaking in general).

I don't much mind the use of recycled footage in DOTM, it wasn't as obtrusive as another movie whose title I can't remember where they reused the outdoor shootout footage from the Cyberdyne building from Terminator 2. It even went all the way to the building's explosion, if I recall correctly! That movie only replaced the interior scenes.

As for the Dreads' running speed, I like to believe that Cybertronian physiology still allows them to be faster than most vehicles, and they were on the attack. I like the fact that only the Autobots had the Stealth Force modes in the movie-- it was an indication of the kind of upgrades they did for themselves due to their work with the humans in NEST.

dark_durahan wrote:I can't believe it!!! i pay for some recicled movie elements! last thing i expected...another disappointed in DOTM

Oh please. Had you not scene it posted here you never would have even known.

IAmThePeej wrote:What is the cost to see a movie in 3d again? Last one I saw was Alice in Wonderland (GREAT movie BTW), and I think it was around $20 per ticket while the average cost of a non-3D ticket is $9.50. A shit movie is still going to be shit if you see it in 3D or not (I'm not saying this movie is shit as I haven't seen it yet, I'm just speaking in general).

20 dollars?!!! holy crap thats crazy. over here 3D movies are just 2 or 3 dollars more than the 2D counterpart so they're around 12 or 13 dollars. if 20 bucks is a common price point around the world, no wonder people complain about the prices and no wonder hollywood keeps doing it to make more money.

i would literally refuse to see any 3D movie if i had to pay 10 dollars more...damn. i guess canada is good for something after all. lol