Q & A session on Siege Ultra Magnus on Transformers Official Instagram

The hammer comes with Ironhide.




Emerje

Why wreckers fans?

william-james88 wrote:Why wreckers fans?

I really hope it doesn't mean Impactor is just an Ironhide retool and comes with the same hammer in Magnus white and blue. Would they really include two different giant hammers in the same line? Doesn't seem likely.

Emerje

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:As for Megatron, there are a couple directions he could go if they ever made an evolution one. The first thing that comes to mind is of course going from Megatron to Galvatron.....

Didn’t the first Galvatron toy concept “evolve” from megatron to Galvatron? I’d like to see that toy become reality because for a G1 toy it looked pretty sweet.

Emerje wrote:

william-james88 wrote:Why wreckers fans?

I really hope it doesn't mean Impactor is just an Ironhide retool and comes with the same hammer in Magnus white and blue. Would they really include two different giant hammers in the same line? Doesn't seem likely.

Emerje

It could mean that they reffer to the fact that in Prime, Magnus was a wrecker and used a hammer. He didnt have a hammer in G1 (when he wasnt a wrecker) so maybe thats it. Still a wired thing to say.

william-james88 wrote:Why wreckers fans?

Because he’s usually always affiliated with them. Who knows maybe his packaging bio states he’s leader of them back on Cybertron.

Emerje wrote:

william-james88 wrote:Why wreckers fans?

I really hope it doesn't mean Impactor is just an Ironhide retool and comes with the same hammer in Magnus white and blue. Would they really include two different giant hammers in the same line? Doesn't seem likely.

Emerje

They did it in prime. First Magnus came with a gun that tuned into a hammer and voyager Magnus cane with the forge of Solus and that giant weaponizer did too.

If a gimmick of the line is gun turning into melee weapon there’s not too many options. Axe, sword, spear knife and hammer.

I'd guess the hammer they are referring to is probably the weapon mode of a yet to be released Battle Master.

Cobotron wrote:I'd guess the hammer they are referring to is probably the weapon mode of a yet to be released Battle Master.

Roller maybe? Or would be a fun little homage to the roller that came with powered convoy

william-james88 wrote:Why wreckers fans?

Because the Aligned version of Ultra Magnus was leader of the Wreckers and wielded a hammer. Plus a hammer is the main part of the Wreckers insignia.

Holy SCRAP! Well, I feel like a real Sam Ham.
I can't believe I've never noticed that hammer in the insignia before.

My only excuse is I just don't spend that much time on the fiction, and we don't have a ton of toys sporting that badge.

We can thank the 2001 BotCon fiction for that hammered insignia design.

"Battle Master that turns into a hammer" would be my first thought about that hammer comment too. I mean, when you have a "guys who turn into weapons" class in the line, it kinda paints a picture.

I'm still just really happy about Cog. HasTak making him saves me from having to make one myself, and he even comes with a G1-accurate gun for Cerebros. The one knock against him is that his other gun is in fact also Cerebros' gun and not his own gun, but that's very much outweighed by the good points.

Short Circuit wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:As for Megatron, there are a couple directions he could go if they ever made an evolution one. The first thing that comes to mind is of course going from Megatron to Galvatron.....

Didn’t the first Galvatron toy concept “evolve” from megatron to Galvatron? I’d like to see that toy become reality because for a G1 toy it looked pretty sweet.

That was not the first Galvatron toy concept. Galvatron's first toy concepts were taken directly from his initial movie design, as with every other new-mold TFTM character (and he would never have been planned to have a Walther mode; US retailers were souring on realistic gun toys by the time 1986 rolled around). That's a later design concept by someone who also conceived of a Megatron-Skywarp triple changer, and it would have been a Japan-only toy.

Also, that's not an evolution gimmick so much as straight-up triple changing

Considering the existence of Lionizer it is very likely that the 'Magnus Hammer' (to use it's name from Animated, even if it won't be the same) is a new Battlemaster character, as I suspect melee-themed Battlemasters could include not only a sword (like Lionizer) but also an axe, spear, hammer and maybe a mace or morningstar of some kind.

So I won't have to try to fashion him a hammer out of Cog's body parts? Sweet.

Randomhero wrote:

william-james88 wrote:Why wreckers fans?

Because he’s usually always affiliated with them.

Really? I cover lots of fiction, being staff for this site, and the only time I saw him associated to them was in Prime.

There may be another instance but i highly doubt its a usual affiliation. Definitely not in the G1 lore i am familiar with.

william-james88 wrote:

Randomhero wrote:

william-james88 wrote:Why wreckers fans?

Because he’s usually always affiliated with them.

Really? I cover lots of fiction, being staff for this site, and the only time I saw him associated to them was in Prime.

There may be another instance but i highly doubt its a usual affiliation. Definitely not in the G1 lore i am familiar with.

I believe Magnus may have been leader of the Wreckers at one point in the UK G1 Marvel comic.

Magnus has ties to the Wreckers in the Marvel UK timeline, which formed the basis for his association with the group later on.

Im more interested in the hover mode Prime has, is there any thing to back this up?

Also kinda glad there is no hammer as I always thought it was a strange addition to his character.

Skritz wrote:Magnus has ties to the Wreckers in the Marvel UK timeline, which formed the basis for his association with the group later on.

Thanks guys, i was unaware of that.

william-james88 wrote:

Skritz wrote:Magnus has ties to the Wreckers in the Marvel UK timeline, which formed the basis for his association with the group later on.

Thanks guys, i was unaware of that.

Also Magnus ferried the Wreckers to Garrus-9 in his ship in Last Stand, before dropping them off and pretending he didn't know how many bots they were about to kill. He kinda served as counsel for Springer in those first two parts, conferring with him about Impactor's return and Ironfist's condition, so there's that. Granted, they did that partly because of his involvement in the Marvel UK comic, but it still happened.

Although he wasn't involved in any of the combat in that series, so that doesn't really help connect 'Magnus Hammer' with 'Wreckers', it just connects Magnus himself with them.

Now if we could some Triggerbots and Triggercons in Siege or future lines it would be great, as their gun themed gimmick would be decently approximated with the C.O.M.B.A.T. stuff, plus Third Party have shown Crankcase and Ironfist can work as a singular mold (or maybe as a Hound retool?).

There was a fun nod to his hammer in the arc which dealt with flashbacks to megatrons trial, as when the cons attacked, um grabbed a hammer off a statue and started swinging away. Its a new and welcome addition to the character for me also after seeing ironhide coged up, it made me realise I may need a lot of duplicates for the weaponisers...also I wonder who'll be the con equivalent

ZeroWolf wrote:There was a fun nod to his hammer in the arc which dealt with flashbacks to megatrons trial, as when the cons attacked, um grabbed a hammer off a statue and started swinging away. Its a new and welcome addition to the character for me also after seeing ironhide coged up, it made me realise I may need a lot of duplicates for the weaponisers...also I wonder who'll be the con equivalent

Brunt for Trypticon, and Fasttrack for Scorponok *nudge nudge, wink wink*

Oh yeah, something that I don't think has gotten enough attention, Leader UM is going to be only a little taller than a Voyager.



8" to the top of his shoulders puts him at around 7.5" head height. Most Leaders tend be over 9", sometimes hovering just under 10". On the bright side that means the inner Magnus should be the same size as Voyager Prime. So they weren't all talk when they said bot scale matters this time around. What he loses in size he makes up for in complexity and part count and I'm OK with that.

Emerje

Emerje wrote:Oh yeah, something that I don't think has gotten enough attention, Leader UM is going to be only a little taller than a Voyager.



8" to the top of his shoulders puts him at around 7.5" head height. Most Leaders tend be over 9", sometimes hovering just under 10". On the bright side that means the inner Magnus should be the same size as Voyager Prime. So they weren't all talk when they said bot scale matters this time around. What he loses in size he makes up for in complexity and part count and I'm OK with that.

Emerje

I wonder what this means for Leader Shockwave...

Autobot N wrote:I wonder what this means for Leader Shockwave...

Would they dare do a figures that's a little bigger than a Voyager... with lights and sounds?

Naaaah... Or would they?

Emerje

Emerje wrote:

Autobot N wrote:I wonder what this means for Leader Shockwave...

Would they dare do a figures that's a little bigger than a Voyager... with lights and sounds?

Naaaah... Or would they?

Emerje

Hm... Interesting idea, and if they are downsizing the Leader class figures (which I'm all for, never did care for the size because it always felt too big to me) and adding some extra pieces, maybe they're using the extra budget for other gimmicks to come back like the lights and sounds. Personally though, I'd love if they did a Shockwave that was slightly modular were he could replace parts of himself to give himself different vehicle modes with the base being a laser cannon. Like, switch out his arms and legs and he can become a tank with a massive turret, or maybe give him a spider tank like his Cyberverse self. Or even, dare I dream, give him shorter arms, legs, and, a new head and you can get a deluxe class Longarm! Who turns into a slightly smaller laser cannon because... Reasons . Doubt my silly idea for Shockwave being modular would be a thing, especially cause it's definitely not G1, but I'm all for older gimmicks coming back

william-james88 wrote:

Randomhero wrote:

william-james88 wrote:Why wreckers fans?

Because he’s usually always affiliated with them.

Really? I cover lots of fiction, being staff for this site, and the only time I saw him associated to them was in Prime.

There may be another instance but i highly doubt its a usual affiliation. Definitely not in the G1 lore i am familiar with.

Just about every noteworthy iteration of the Wreckers has had ties to Ultra Magnus, with the BotCon Beast Era Wreckers and the DOTM Wreckers being the most notable exceptions.

The very first version of the Wreckers, from the Marvel UK comics, saw Ultra Magnus as not a member of the Wreckers but as a very close associate of them, as he was to have been their secret weapon in a carefully laid out plan called Operation: Volcano. But when he was called away to Earth on a mission of great urgency (investigating the sudden disappearance of Optimus Prime), Operation: Volcano had to proceed without him, with the Autobot Triple Changers Springer, Sandstorm, and Broadside teaming up with the Wreckers in his place, andd officially joining the team shortly afterward, following the death of the Wreckers' leader Impactor, whom Springer succeeded as the team's new leader. Magnus continued to work alongside the Wreckers during several later missions as well, though, never actually being a part of their unit.



In the present day setting of the Dreamwave comics, Ultra Magnus was officially the leader of the Wreckers, having succeeded Springer after the Triple Changers had left the group at some point prior. We'll never know anything more about their having left the Wreckers due to Dreamwave having folded back when it did.



In IDW's comics, though Magnus again wasn't a member (like in the Marvel UK comics), he did provide them transport for them both to and from Garrus-9, a decision likely made by Roberts and Milne as a tribute to his close relation to the team as seen back in Marvel UK.



In the media brought to life via the Binder of Revelation, Ultra Magnus is officially the leader of the Wreckers, just like his Dreamwave G1 counterpart. The Exodus novel even establishes him as owning a hammer as his personal weapon, while the Prime cartoon would instead depict him as hammerless following his arrival on Earth and using the energy-drained Forge of Solus Prime as a new hammer weapon for himself.



And, heh, while not a notable version, Angry Birds Transformers had its version of the Wreckers including Ultra Magnus.

william-james88 wrote:Why wreckers fans?

Rack N' Ruin?

well if they do the wreckers team, would we see new versions of the team members

Ultra Markus wrote:well if they do the wreckers team, would we see new versions of the team members

Well there have been rumours of a new Roadbuster and Whirl but even if those prove untrue we would still have a mostly-complete Wrecker lineup if we go back to T30 and TR as these had Roadbuster, Whirl, Springer, Sandstorm, Broadside and the Jumpstarter brothers. Meaning that the only guys left at this point are Rack & Ruin and Impactor. And we know Impactor is coming.

Sod the Wreakers I want the Elite Guard

Skritz wrote:

Ultra Markus wrote:well if they do the wreckers team, would we see new versions of the team members

Well there have been rumours of a new Roadbuster and Whirl but even if those prove untrue we would still have a mostly-complete Wrecker lineup if we go back to T30 and TR as these had Roadbuster, Whirl, Springer, Sandstorm, Broadside and the Jumpstarter brothers. Meaning that the only guys left at this point are Rack & Ruin and Impactor. And we know Impactor is coming.

Yeah, with Impactor coing Rack N' Ruin are the only ones left.


My Digibash version using the Cloudraker mold

Dannshinigami wrote:Sod the Wreakers I want the Elite Guard

But the elite guard don't have a nearly-consistent line-up unlike the Wreckers

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Brunt for Trypticon, and Fasttrack for Scorponok *nudge nudge, wink wink*

I currently have 3 out of 4 Modern City Bots... All of the fingers are crossed for a new (and in scale) Scorponok. The only City Bot with three decent modes.

leokearon wrote:

Skritz wrote:

Ultra Markus wrote:well if they do the wreckers team, would we see new versions of the team members

Well there have been rumours of a new Roadbuster and Whirl but even if those prove untrue we would still have a mostly-complete Wrecker lineup if we go back to T30 and TR as these had Roadbuster, Whirl, Springer, Sandstorm, Broadside and the Jumpstarter brothers. Meaning that the only guys left at this point are Rack & Ruin and Impactor. And we know Impactor is coming.

Yeah, with Impactor coing Rack N' Ruin are the only ones left.


My Digibash version using the Cloudraker mold

I feel like saying that we only have those three(?) left is kinda subjective, and depends on who you consider to be the full Wreckers lineup. I would still argue that we're missing Ironfist, Guzzle, Rotorstorm, and Leadfoot, for example. Maybe they could make a Leadfoot from the Mirage mold...

Also, as cool as that digibash is, aren't they supposed to be conjoined, and what would they turn into?

Nemesis Primal wrote:Also, as cool as that digibash is, aren't they supposed to be conjoined, and what would they turn into?

I thought that. Aren't they (technically) a Duocon?

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:

Nemesis Primal wrote:Also, as cool as that digibash is, aren't they supposed to be conjoined, and what would they turn into?

I thought that. Aren't they (technically) a Duocon?

Rack'n'Ruin never transformed in the original Marvel UK comics, and were permanently stuck together is said comics. According to the origin given for them in the "Transformers: The Facts" booklet that came included with the 200th Marvel UK issue, they used to turn into Cybertronian mini-jets, but their being surgically joined together in an desperate operation that saved their lives made transformation impossible for them to do anymore.

Sabrblade wrote:

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:

Nemesis Primal wrote:Also, as cool as that digibash is, aren't they supposed to be conjoined, and what would they turn into?

I thought that. Aren't they (technically) a Duocon?

Rack'n'Ruin never transformed in the original Marvel UK comics, and were permanently stuck together is said comics. According to the origin given for them in the "Transformers: The Facts" booklet that came included with the 200th Marvel UK issue, they used to turn into Cybertronian mini-jets, but their being surgically joined together in an desperate operation that saved their lives made transformation impossible for them to do anymore.

Would that make them the first Action Masters?

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:

Nemesis Primal wrote:Also, as cool as that digibash is, aren't they supposed to be conjoined, and what would they turn into?

I thought that. Aren't they (technically) a Duocon?

Rack'n'Ruin never transformed in the original Marvel UK comics, and were permanently stuck together is said comics. According to the origin given for them in the "Transformers: The Facts" booklet that came included with the 200th Marvel UK issue, they used to turn into Cybertronian mini-jets, but their being surgically joined together in an desperate operation that saved their lives made transformation impossible for them to do anymore.

Would that make them the first Action Masters?

Emirate Xaaron might be an earlier contender for that.

Sabrblade wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:

Nemesis Primal wrote:Also, as cool as that digibash is, aren't they supposed to be conjoined, and what would they turn into?

I thought that. Aren't they (technically) a Duocon?

Rack'n'Ruin never transformed in the original Marvel UK comics, and were permanently stuck together is said comics. According to the origin given for them in the "Transformers: The Facts" booklet that came included with the 200th Marvel UK issue, they used to turn into Cybertronian mini-jets, but their being surgically joined together in an desperate operation that saved their lives made transformation impossible for them to do anymore.

Would that make them the first Action Masters?

Emirate Xaaron might be an earlier contender for that.

He still had the ability, except it would kill him if he did.

Personally I'd love to see Rack and Ruin either as distinct characters or as a single one whose vehicle mode turn into conjoined robots.

leokearon wrote:

Dannshinigami wrote:Sod the Wreakers I want the Elite Guard

But the elite guard don't have a nearly-consistent line-up unlike the Wreckers

They did in the comic but I really want Big Bang as the original concept art would fit this line perfectly

Dannshinigami wrote:

leokearon wrote:

Dannshinigami wrote:Sod the Wreakers I want the Elite Guard

But the elite guard don't have a nearly-consistent line-up unlike the Wreckers

They did in the comic but I really want Big Bang as the original concept art would fit this line perfectly

What comic?

Sabrblade wrote:

Dannshinigami wrote:

leokearon wrote:

Dannshinigami wrote:Sod the Wreakers I want the Elite Guard

But the elite guard don't have a nearly-consistent line-up unlike the Wreckers

They did in the comic but I really want Big Bang as the original concept art would fit this line perfectly

What comic?

Transformers the wings universe.

My Digibash of Rack and Ruin is based on them before they were joined. It would be easier to do and at least we know they could transform, unlike after they were joined. Still they need to be made to finish off the Wreckers

Dannshinigami wrote:

leokearon wrote:

Dannshinigami wrote:Sod the Wreakers I want the Elite Guard

But the elite guard don't have a nearly-consistent line-up unlike the Wreckers

They did in the comic but I really want Big Bang as the original concept art would fit this line perfectly

If it means getting a new Thunderclash, I wouldn't mind

Amelie wrote:Personally - I'm excited to be thinking about a new Jetfire with removable armour panels (possibly from a deluxe partsformer) rather than (relatively) minor characters from sub groups....

Personally I would prefer, non 84/85 TFs to get updates.