Prototype Images - Takara Transformers Unite Warriors Computron

It might just be me, but that gun kinda looks it's formed out of the individual bots' guns.

It's getting easier and easier to get both. With all the differences between Hasbro and Takara they're pretty much different combiners. Gotta say though I'm not loving the Rook remold like I thought I would. I think the alt mode is going to look unfinished with his hands just blatantly poking out, at least hound/swindle covered theirs with the jeep canopy.

Wow, looks like a proper Silverbolt remold complete with new Computron chest, not just a new head. This is definitely looking like the one to get for me.

Emerje

Emerje wrote:Wow, looks like a proper Silverbolt remold complete with new Computron chest, not just a new head. This is definitely looking like the one to get for me.

Emerje

Me too. This is a far more complete retool of the silverolt mold than the Hasbro version. That head looks awesome, it is so much different than the Superion head. And I love their take on Afterburner as an arm. It really seems like Hasbro and Takara are giving that arm different official transformations. And that Strafe looks awesome!

Its on BBTS now but I cant see the listing. Can anyone tell me if it has a price that is similar to the standard releases of TTmall exclusive releases?

william-james88 wrote:

Emerje wrote:Wow, looks like a proper Silverbolt remold complete with new Computron chest, not just a new head. This is definitely looking like the one to get for me.

Emerje

Me too. This is a far more complete retool of the silverolt mold than the Hasbro version. That head looks awesome, it is so much different than the Superion head. And I love their take on Afterburner as an arm. It really seems like Hasbro and Takara are giving that arm different official transformations. And that Strafe looks awesome!

Its on BBTS now but I cant see the listing. Can anyone tell me if it has a price that is similar to the standard releases of TTmall exclusive releases?

They're asking $160 but this isn't a TTMALL exclusive so I'd just wait for an import site.

BBTS lists it at $159.99.

Sadly, it's the TT Mall price.

Still pre-ordered it, though.

this might be the first UW I get....

Optimizzy wrote:this might be the first UW I get....

Same. I thought about it a lot this weekend. I think I will skip Bruticus and go for this guy. I don't mine hasbros it's really cool but I should give a Takara combiner a shot and this guy is different enough all over to get. However I will probably shell out for the PE hands and feet. I caved and got all the others and they're pretty solid

steals_your_goats wrote:
They're asking $160 but this isn't a TTMALL exclusive so I'd just wait for an import site.

That is the TTMall exclusive price. Takara has yet to reveal if it is or not, but BBTS putting it at that price instead of 125$ means other import wites wont be listing it.

Sad day.

It's official, gettin' both.

Sigma Magnus wrote:It's official, gettin' both.

You gonna spend 260$ ?

william-james88 wrote:

steals_your_goats wrote:
They're asking $160 but this isn't a TTMALL exclusive so I'd just wait for an import site.

That is the TTMall exclusive price. Takara has yet to reveal if it is or not, but BBTS putting it at that price instead of 125$ means other import wites wont be listing it.

Sad day.

The msrp that was advertised in that Japanese magazine that showed the silhouettes of the individual bots was 15000 yen, the standard price for a regular retail combiner.

william-james88 wrote:

Sigma Magnus wrote:It's official, gettin' both.

You gonna spend 260$ ?

Unfortunately, yes. I can hear my wallet screaming already.

steals_your_goats wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

steals_your_goats wrote:
They're asking $160 but this isn't a TTMALL exclusive so I'd just wait for an import site.

That is the TTMall exclusive price. Takara has yet to reveal if it is or not, but BBTS putting it at that price instead of 125$ means other import wites wont be listing it.

Sad day.

The msrp that was advertised in that Japanese magazine that showed the silhouettes of the individual bots was 15000 yen, the standard price for a regular retail combiner.

Both TTmall exclusives and non exclusive have the SAME MSRP. But the non exclusives are sold at a 30-20% discount of that MSRP at retail while the exclusvies are sold at the MSRP.

As odd as that may sound, in Japan, the MSRP is not indicative of the actual retail price.

I'm liking it but that wheel in the air still looks silly to me.

Out of curiosity, did Japan ever get translated editions of the marvel g1 comics? Just wondering if that was also the reason for ditching scrounge. At least, another reason other than this is their standard release pattern.

That Nosecone looks to be a heavy remold of Rook rather than Brawl.

ZeroWolf wrote:Out of curiosity, did Japan ever get translated editions of the marvel g1 comics? Just wondering if that was also the reason for ditching scrounge. At least, another reason other than this is their standard release pattern.

They did not. They got the English versions imported through specialty shops, but no official domestic release in Japan in either language. The main reason for ditching Scrounge is the same as their ditching Powerglide for Superion, Blackjack for Menasor, small Groove for Defensor, Rodimus for Convoy Grand Prime, Viper for Grand Galvatron, and Shockwave for Bruticus: The G1 combiners were five-man bands with membership rosters set in stone and didn't have tiny accessory sixth members. Takara seems to want to stay true to that.

Death~Ray Charles wrote:That Nosecone looks to be a heavy remold of Rook rather than Brawl.

The silhouette posted earlier seems to move the drill down to the where the robot's feet are in alt mode. I'm not sure if it detaches and partsforms, or if there's a hinge underneath it that folds it all the way down.

http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/takara-transformers-unite-warriors-computron-and-technobots-teasers/34989/

Gearslide wrote:

Autobot N wrote:

Easy Tiger wrote:I'm not seeing things, am I? The lower legs of Lightspeed are definetely from the Wheeljack mold, aren't they?

Yes, they are. That's the only thing I don't like about this set.

To be fair though, CW Wheeljack has by far the closest vehicle mode to G1 Lightspeed out of all the available car molds in Combiner Wars...

I hate the skinny arms on that particular mold, but I have to agree. Wheeljack is even closer than Breakdown.

Computicon!

So AWESOME.............make me weep seeing this hunk of plastic crack!








Thanks to TT Retool shme tool or whatever it is you call it.

fenrir72 wrote:Computicon!
(images)
Special mention to ExVee.

You're a little late.

mblase75 wrote:

Gearslide wrote:

Autobot N wrote:

Easy Tiger wrote:I'm not seeing things, am I? The lower legs of Lightspeed are definetely from the Wheeljack mold, aren't they?

Yes, they are. That's the only thing I don't like about this set.

To be fair though, CW Wheeljack has by far the closest vehicle mode to G1 Lightspeed out of all the available car molds in Combiner Wars...

I hate the skinny arms on that particular mold, but I have to agree. Wheeljack is even closer than Breakdown.

If Breakdown/Wheeljack was a good mold, then I would agree with you guys. But, when it comes to TFs, function comes before form.

I don't understand why Hasbro isn't releasing the "correct" versions of these toys instead of the half assed versions. Are they just trying to save money? Is it a schedule thing that they're trying to get these products knocked out as soon as possible so that they can move on to the next Transformers product line?

Thank you and kudos to Takara Tomy for doing these right.

Seibertron wrote:I don't understand why Hasbro isn't releasing the "correct" versions of these toys instead of the half assed versions. Are they just trying to save money? Is it a schedule thing that they're trying to get these products knocked out as soon as possible so that they can move on to the next Transformers product line?

Thank you and kudos to Takara Tomy for doing these right.

Maybe Hasbro planned theirs first with their usual economic mindset and then Takara saw Hasbro's plans and were like "Nah, we can do better."

Sabrblade wrote:

Seibertron wrote:I don't understand why Hasbro isn't releasing the "correct" versions of these toys instead of the half assed versions. Are they just trying to save money? Is it a schedule thing that they're trying to get these products knocked out as soon as possible so that they can move on to the next Transformers product line?

Thank you and kudos to Takara Tomy for doing these right.

Maybe Hasbro planned theirs first with their usual economic mindset and then Takara saw Hasbro's plans and were like "Nah, we can do better."

Sounds about right.

Seibertron wrote:I don't understand why Hasbro isn't releasing the "correct" versions of these toys instead of the half assed versions. Are they just trying to save money? Is it a schedule thing that they're trying to get these products knocked out as soon as possible so that they can move on to the next Transformers product line?

Thank you and kudos to Takara Tomy for doing these right.

I see a lot of remolding here -- Computron's chest, Lightspeed's front bumper, Afterburner's windshield. Nosecone may have a hinge for that big drill and Strafe is retooling a mold Hasbro doesn't even have yet. All of that costs money, and Hasbro's all about reusing molds as much as possible to increase profit. Even Liokaiser only exists so that Hasbro can reuse Sky Lynx.

mblase75 wrote:

Seibertron wrote:I don't understand why Hasbro isn't releasing the "correct" versions of these toys instead of the half assed versions. Are they just trying to save money? Is it a schedule thing that they're trying to get these products knocked out as soon as possible so that they can move on to the next Transformers product line?

Thank you and kudos to Takara Tomy for doing these right.

I see a lot of remolding here -- Computron's chest, Lightspeed's front bumper, Afterburner's windshield. Nosecone may have a hinge for that big drill and Strafe is retooling a mold Hasbro doesn't even have yet. All of that costs money, and Hasbro's all about reusing molds as much as possible to increase profit. Even Liokaiser only exists so that Hasbro can reuse Sky Lynx.

Financially though it would be much less expensive if Hasbro was doing this instead of Takara taking on the financial burden of this. It doesn't make much sense that Takara is doing this since they have such a smaller market, unless they're actually at a point where international (non Japanese market) sales has a much larger impact on products like these. I'd love to see the financials on these products to better understand these decisions.

Autobot N wrote:

fenrir72 wrote:Computicon!
(images)
Special mention to ExVee.

You're a little late.

mblase75 wrote:

Gearslide wrote:

Autobot N wrote:

Easy Tiger wrote:I'm not seeing things, am I? The lower legs of Lightspeed are definetely from the Wheeljack mold, aren't they?

Yes, they are. That's the only thing I don't like about this set.

To be fair though, CW Wheeljack has by far the closest vehicle mode to G1 Lightspeed out of all the available car molds in Combiner Wars...

I hate the skinny arms on that particular mold, but I have to agree. Wheeljack is even closer than Breakdown.

If Breakdown/Wheeljack was a good mold, then I would agree with you guys. But, when it comes to TFs, function comes before form.

Those upper legs are a little wonky but I don't think they're that bad after figuring out some decent poses with them.

Seibertron wrote:Financially though it would be much less expensive if Hasbro was doing this instead of Takara taking on the financial burden of this. It doesn't make much sense that Takara is doing this since they have such a smaller market, unless they're actually at a point where international (non Japanese market) sales has a much larger impact on products like these. I'd love to see the financials on these products to better understand these decisions.

There is an extra factor we are not talking about here: Hasbro Asia. The revealed price tells us that this is a TakTom Exclusive and thus the rest of the world (especially Asia) will be getting their version from Asian places like Robot Kingdom since only the asian release will be available (due to the Japanese release being only sold within Japan through TTMall). So it could be that Hasbro Asia did a contract with TT that would ensure TT get an advance to finance their project and in return, Hasbro Asia gets to distribute their release across Asia without the Japan release interfering with their sales to their market.

So in the end, Hasbro might be financing this, to then distribute it as an Asian release, which they have done for:

Gand Galvatron
Convoy Grand Prime
Defensor

Of course, The price might be a mistake and this isnt a TT exclusive and then all I have written is meaningless, but the fact that other sites are also listing it for the same price says otherwise.

Sabrblade wrote:

Seibertron wrote:I don't understand why Hasbro isn't releasing the "correct" versions of these toys instead of the half assed versions. Are they just trying to save money? Is it a schedule thing that they're trying to get these products knocked out as soon as possible so that they can move on to the next Transformers product line?

Thank you and kudos to Takara Tomy for doing these right.

Maybe Hasbro planned theirs first with their usual economic mindset and then Takara saw Hasbro's plans and were like "Nah, we can do better."

Why are we bringing up the schedule when Hasbro has so far released nothing official about their Computron. TT has released teases and has had it appear at shows. If it wasnt for leaks, we would have no hard proof that Hasbro is even making a Computron. So TT is technically ahead of Hasbro with their Computron shcedule, at least in terms of promotions and marketting.

Oh man, this is confusing. I think BBTS is just putting a random price like they did with MP Shockwave, just to secure preorders. I say this because Toy Dojo has this for 134.99

http://www.toydojo.com/transformers-uni ... -gift-set/

I hate when retailers arent being straight with us. I just want to know what my options are so I can plan the right budget and get a sense of what I am going to do.

william-james88 wrote:Oh man, this is confusing. I think BBTS is just putting a random price like they did with MP Shockwave, just to secure preorders. I say this because Toy Dojo has this for 134.99

http://www.toydojo.com/transformers-uni ... -gift-set/

I hate when retailers arent being straight with us. I just want to know what my options are so I can plan the right budget and get a sense of what I am going to do.

Check your email.

I don't know if anyone else has noticed, but BBTS has lowered the price to $135.

Seibertron wrote:

william-james88 wrote:Oh man, this is confusing. I think BBTS is just putting a random price like they did with MP Shockwave, just to secure preorders. I say this because Toy Dojo has this for 134.99

http://www.toydojo.com/transformers-uni ... -gift-set/

I hate when retailers arent being straight with us. I just want to know what my options are so I can plan the right budget and get a sense of what I am going to do.

Check your email.

Oh man, ok people, listen up good news to you all, here is what we just got from BBTS:

Looks like a pricing error actually – we’ll get it adjusted to $134.99 shortly, apologies for the confusion!

Too bad though, I spent a good 5-10 mins writing that Hasbro Asia message above, and now its all for nothing. Well its still good news to us all. Its a non exclusive

Oh so it's not an exclusive? Who knew

steals_your_goats wrote:Oh so it's not an exclusive? Who knew

I am glad its not an exclusive. But there wasnt any indication it was or wasnt before this price since there have been no japanese listings yet.

Sorry if I was disrespectful before, though I didnt mean to be. But to me, all is well that ends well.

william-james88 wrote:

steals_your_goats wrote:Oh so it's not an exclusive? Who knew

I am glad its not an exclusive. But there wasnt any indication it was or wasnt before this price since there have been no japanese listings yet.

Sorry if I was disrespectful before, though I didnt mean to be. But to me, all is well that ends well.

It's all good, but now that we have confirmation of it being a non exclusive I guess the stalking of anime export has begun.

william-james88 wrote:Too bad though, I spent a good 5-10 mins writing that Hasbro Asia message above, and now its all for nothing. Well its still good news to us all. Its a non exclusive

Patience is a virtue.

Not gonna lie, I rather loathe these sets (both computrons) for how different they are from one another, I wonder if habsro could've made more changes if they hadn't included scrounge and his targetmaster and a new head for scrounge. If this is the case, I ask myself, why was he included in the first place then? They could've used the budget and parts count from him and given us new chest panels and combined mode head, god f$%k this whole scenario

Gotta say though, if he doesn't get a new canopy, nosecone is gonna look like crap

...now that I think about it, HasTak's really gotten their money's worth with the Silverbolt mold, haven't they?

Hellscream9999 wrote:Not gonna lie, I rather loathe these sets (both computrons) for how different they are from one another, I wonder if habsro could've made more changes if they hadn't included scrounge and his targetmaster and a new head for scrounge. If this is the case, I ask myself, why was he included in the first place then? They could've used the budget and parts count from him and given us new chest panels and combined mode head, god f$%k this whole scenario

Gotta say though, if he doesn't get a new canopy, nosecone is gonna look like crap

That's the part that confuses me about hasbro release, what links scrounge to computron?

I know takara market their goods to kids still, but the Japanese market is quite strange with a big collector presence so, while hasbro have said that collectors make up to 30% of their sales, I wonder if that's the same for takara.

steals_your_goats wrote:
It's all good, but now that we have confirmation of it being a non exclusive I guess the stalking of anime export has begun.

And I will be stalking Nippon Yassan. Gonna get this guy to come to me by boat.

Sigma Magnus wrote:...now that I think about it, HasTak's really gotten their money's worth with the Silverbolt mold, haven't they?

Hell yeah they did. Wow. 4 uses. Although I find the fact that they sold the single scatershot torso at retail a really cheap move.

Hellscream9999 wrote:
Gotta say though, if he doesn't get a new canopy, nosecone is gonna look like crap

The G1 toy doesnt look like much, I dont think this one will look worse. It's pretty cool they gave him threads.

william-james88 wrote:

Sigma Magnus wrote:...now that I think about it, HasTak's really gotten their money's worth with the Silverbolt mold, haven't they?

Hell yeah they did. Wow. 4 uses. Although I find the fact that they sold the single scatershot torso at retail a really cheap move.

A really cheap move that my cousin fell for. Can't wait to see the look on his face when I have Computron...

ZeroWolf wrote:I know takara market their goods to kids still, but the Japanese market is quite strange with a big collector presence so, while hasbro have said that collectors make up to 30% of their sales, I wonder if that's the same for takara.

The "collector" term is misleading. Hasbro actually just said "fans" and decided to include kids 10 years old and up (including us older fans). So that 30% includes 10 year olds and 12 year olds and the like, so its not a "real" 30%.

And I dont know about Takara aside that, as you said, all I know is this: "In past series, the target ages were small children and their fathers, but the age group which is actually able to enjoy transforming toys is 7 ~ 9 years old."

I personally feel that the collector market would be higher in japan, but I dont think thats why Takara is going all out with this line. I think its actually because they themselves are fans (Yuki, who presented this toy was around since Beast Wars) and simply want to give the best product. Almost like they owe it to themselves.

Thanks will for answering it's good to know that the fans were able to get to these positions to do this work.

ZeroWolf wrote:Thanks will for answering it's good to know that the fans were able to get to these positions to do this work.

Yup, and on the hasbro front, John Warden is a big Transformers fan too. Hence all the homages to G1 lately.

But when it comes to Japan, I just love reading interviews, they have such pride in their work. The guy who designed MP Lambor and MP 10 was working on that 3 step RID Grimlock from last year and he was talking about his design process with as much passion as he would a more collector oriented toy. He just wanted the toy to have a fun transformation for kids.

I think what I loved the most was when I read that the Takara designer who made TAV/RID Warrior Bumblebee decided to have Bumblebee's chest be under the roof of the car as opposed to directly under the car (like the other RID deluxe toys) because that would mean that you,d have to rotate the waist during the transformation. It wasnt needed, but he thought that would be a cool step to add to the transformation and make it more fun and dynamic. And he's right. When I look at all the love and passion takara designers put into that TAV line, I get a little sad that it is put on the sidelines by collectors. It is as fun and inventive as the Generations line, if not more (since it has more unique and diverse transformations).

Sorry got carried away a bit there, I just love these toys and its nice to know that our passion as fans is shared by those who make them.

I'll be getting two Computrons from TakTom for sure.


I'm also glad to see that I was right about the price being incorrect this morning. Someone from another site was arguing with me about it this morning, so I take satisfaction in knowing I won that debate.

Pre-ordered Computron, hopfully ill be able to do this, maybe also get something else to get the free shipping going. *fingers crossed*

william-james88 wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:Thanks will for answering it's good to know that the fans were able to get to these positions to do this work.

Yup, and on the hasbro front, John Warden is a big Transformers fan too. Hence all the homages to G1 lately.

But when it comes to Japan, I just love reading interviews, they have such pride in their work. The guy who designed MP Lambor and MP 10 was working on that 3 step RID Grimlock from last year and he was talking about his design process with as much passion as he would a more collector oriented toy. He just wanted the toy to have a fun transformation for kids.

I think what I loved the most was when I read that the Takara designer who made TAV/RID Warrior Bumblebee decided to have Bumblebee's chest be under the roof of the car as opposed to directly under the car (like the other RID deluxe toys) because that would mean that you,d have to rotate the waist during the transformation. It wasnt needed, but he thought that would be a cool step to add to the transformation and make it more fun and dynamic. And he's right. When I look at all the love and passion takara designers put into that TAV line, I get a little sad that it is put on the sidelines by collectors. It is as fun and inventive as the Generations line, if not more (since it has more unique and diverse transformations).

Sorry got carried away a bit there, I just love these toys and its nice to know that our passion as fans is shared by those who make them.

Don't be sorry, it's nice to hear things like that, though it makes me wonder how many of the tfs are designed in the west compared to the east.

Sigma Magnus wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Sigma Magnus wrote:...now that I think about it, HasTak's really gotten their money's worth with the Silverbolt mold, haven't they?

Hell yeah they did. Wow. 4 uses. Although I find the fact that they sold the single scatershot torso at retail a really cheap move.

A really cheap move that my cousin fell for. Can't wait to see the look on his face when I have Computron...

I'm very glad I read TF fan sites like this now, otherwise I would have fallen for it, too.

Robogeek1973 wrote:I'll be getting two Computrons from TakTom for sure.
I'm also glad to see that I was right about the price being incorrect this morning. Someone from another site was arguing with me about it this morning, so I take satisfaction in knowing I won that debate.

As someone on the losing side of that same debate, I can sympathise. There has been no rhyme or reason to which releases become exclusives, all we know is that the US importer prices change depending on the type of release. And yes, so far we know they are exclusive when they are revealed (which wasnt the case here) but its all so fresh in an ever changing game of rules that it wouldnt have surprised me if this was indeed an exclusive. The price was a pretty good give away. Of course anyone who argued that he would be more expensive because of the amount of retooling was drinking some funky cool aid (that has nothing to do with it) but I saw none of that on this board, we have smart people here

In the end, I am sure that guy is as glad as me to be wrong.

ZeroWolf wrote:Don't be sorry, it's nice to hear things like that, though it makes me wonder how many of the tfs are designed in the west compared to the east.

Thats an interesting answer too. There are 2 design stages for the toys: the product design (how the toy looks) and the engineering design (how the toy transforms). The majority of toys since Beast Wars had the product designs done by Hasbro and then those designs are sent to Takara for them to do the engineering (figure out how to get from the robot to the alt mode that Hasbro drew). Sometimes Hasbro does both parts (Energon Grimlock), and sometimes Takara does both parts (the MP line, CW Devastator and Gen Arcee) but these are more exceptions to the natural way things are done. So in the end, in the majority of retail releases, the design is handled by both parties for those 2 different design aspects. Since I am in the hobby more for the transforming toys aspect, I tend to pay more attention to the engineering side, which is takara, and hence why I have all these fun stories to tell