Pre-Registration for Dairycon 2012 Ends TONIGHT

An announcement from Dairyon Regarding the current controversy involving 3rd party and other non-official TF products:


"We would like all of our dealers, fans and friends of Dairycon to know they can participate in our Show without having their items confiscated or removed. You can proceed with confidence knowing your official, 3rd party, customs, and other toys and materials are always welcome.

The Dairycon staff would also like to extend our warmest thanks to the great fans that make the convention what it is. You all help make Dairycon an incredible fan-friendly experience and we are eternally grateful.

We value all our fine dealers and friends who have attended and supported Dairycon throughout the years.

We are looking forward to seeing everyone at Dairycon 2012!"

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Regrettably, though registration for Dairycon 2012 is now closed, you can keep track of them on youtube, facebook, and on their website at http://www.dairycon.com

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Keep an eye out for further details about their upcoming show, and make sure to sign up for next year's show if you already missed out on this one!

Flashwave wrote:Oh for crying out loud, really?
You wanna win friends, Dairycon, you should have said something more perofessional, "Yes, as an unnoffical convention not affiliated with Hasbro or TT, we do allow other items into the Vendor Hall and will continue to do so."

Flashwave wrote:Oh for crying out loud, really?

There are much more diplomatic ways to have said that, instead of mocking TFCC. I mean, come on. Hasbro's got the right to protect their property, and yes, I buy the 3rd Party stuff too but the Transfomers are all their propewrty, just as Potter is still Rowling's even though she's done with them. TFCC is a child company, they HAVE to respect Hasbro's wishes, there's no other option.

You wanna win friends, Dairycon, you should have said something more perofessional, "Yes, as an unnoffical convention not affiliated with Hasbro or TT, we do allow other items into the Vendor Hall and will continue to do so."

Flashwave wrote:Oh for crying out loud, really?

There are much more diplomatic ways to have said that, instead of mocking TFCC. I mean, come on. Hasbro's got the right to protect their property, and yes, I buy the 3rd Party stuff too but the Transfomers are all their propewrty, just as Potter is still Rowling's even though she's done with them. TFCC is a child company, they HAVE to respect Hasbro's wishes, there's no other option.

You wanna win friends, Dairycon, you should have said something more perofessional, "Yes, as an unnoffical convention not affiliated with Hasbro or TT, we do allow other items into the Vendor Hall and will continue to do so."

bionic_radical wrote:

Flashwave wrote:Oh for crying out loud, really?

There are much more diplomatic ways to have said that, instead of mocking TFCC. I mean, come on. Hasbro's got the right to protect their property, and yes, I buy the 3rd Party stuff too but the Transfomers are all their propewrty, just as Potter is still Rowling's even though she's done with them. TFCC is a child company, they HAVE to respect Hasbro's wishes, there's no other option.

You wanna win friends, Dairycon, you should have said something more perofessional, "Yes, as an unnoffical convention not affiliated with Hasbro or TT, we do allow other items into the Vendor Hall and will continue to do so."

I agree, it could have been stated better. You can't have your club name printed on official products and support 3rd parties. Fun Pub has no other choice.

I'm sure there is a bit of animosity still, with Botcon throwing out an early con and overlapping Dairycon due to Joecon and the anniversary, and those things associated. Competition is ugly. But did Botcon state no 3rd parties before pre-reg? In my opinion, it's common sense that these items wouldn't be in any ways promoted or encouraged, but to have them confiscated on any level should have been addressed before registration opened.

El Duque wrote:Well played Dairycon, well played.

TransformersEmporium wrote:You should seriously do a lil research. They said in no uncertain terms,and its in the contract all dealers had to sign. All 3rd party items will be taken and made the property of Hasbro and or given to authorities. Sellers will be escorted out and possibly perm banned from ever attending again. Not That I give much of a crap about personally, cause I only go as a fan I get my stuff direct from my own suppliers, but its still messed up.

TransformersEmporium wrote:Dude, go to bed. Or call Hasbro and let them know how much you love them. You started a conversation about details I never wanted to discuss, and that goes for the rest of you. If you dont have something pos to say. Dont you dare comment back on anything Ive said. Your all acting like a bunch of wanna be lawyers who act as if your getting ready to take your bar exam. For Christs sake. move on.. You don't like 3rd party toys, wonderful, more for me!!! If you do, congrats, we agree. But to set here and argue is a real arsewipe thing to do, and Im done with you all. Minus the real fans.. And ohhhh yes.. I meant the real fans. The ones that are here just wanting to be heard and not pretend their freaking Perry mason. lol. Night..

Bowspearer wrote:

TransformersEmporium wrote:Dude, go to bed. Or call Hasbro and let them know how much you love them. You started a conversation about details I never wanted to discuss, and that goes for the rest of you. If you dont have something pos to say. Dont you dare comment back on anything Ive said. Your all acting like a bunch of wanna be lawyers who act as if your getting ready to take your bar exam. For Christs sake. move on.. You don't like 3rd party toys, wonderful, more for me!!! If you do, congrats, we agree. But to set here and argue is a real arsewipe thing to do, and Im done with you all. Minus the real fans.. And ohhhh yes.. I meant the real fans. The ones that are here just wanting to be heard and not pretend their freaking Perry mason. lol. Night..

In other words, you're acting illegally, you know it, you have no retort and so you're now trash talking people- then again, considering you resorted to eugenic slurs in another thread by calling anyone who disagreed with you "handicapped", it's hardly anything new for you.

As for the discussion let's recap. You came in, defending your secondary bread and butter, got called out on it and resorted to insults when you saw your position was untenable, putting the final nail in the coffin by going to "real fan" territory.

You then posted a link to this thread in the other thread where this was happening, not only making those who might not be aware of it aware of it, but in doing so, making them aware of this discussion.

What you fail to grasp is that you don't have to be a lawyer here to see what's going on- just have a clear understanding of the underlying ethics.

Now I get why that would be devastating for you and your business - as from what I can tell of the vast majority of your posts (both in terms of you defending bootlegs and plugging your site where you sell them) your plan in joining here was to try and drum up business for your site (which is fair enough on your part).

However what you clearly weren't counting on and what you need to accept is that when you trade in dodgy merchandise, which KOs are, that while some people wont care, others will have ethical concerns and will call you out on it- that's entirely their right.

This may be an alien concept to you, but society expects adults to be accountable- that's all the new Botcon dealer T&C forces dealers to be.

Fender Bender wrote:Wow, some people take this whole hobby a little too seriously. It's basically become an Identifier of Dairycon to make fun of this hobby. If we didn't make fun of things that happen with in the fandom, people would think something was wrong!

For example, since the serious version of the Hall of Fame has taken off, we did the Alcove of Honor as a parody. Click here to see who the nominees are. I mean, how can you not laugh at those nominees?

Read the fan fic or just look at the exclusives. Just try taking a gander at the stuff before getting all uppity about the announcement.

Hell, if Botcon announced that Coca Cola were an official sponsor, we would endorse Pepsi. Not because we hate Botcon, but because it's funny.

Bowspearer wrote:

TransformersEmporium wrote:Dude, go to bed. Or call Hasbro and let them know how much you love them. You started a conversation about details I never wanted to discuss, and that goes for the rest of you. If you dont have something pos to say. Dont you dare comment back on anything Ive said. Your all acting like a bunch of wanna be lawyers who act as if your getting ready to take your bar exam. For Christs sake. move on.. You don't like 3rd party toys, wonderful, more for me!!! If you do, congrats, we agree. But to set here and argue is a real arsewipe thing to do, and Im done with you all. Minus the real fans.. And ohhhh yes.. I meant the real fans. The ones that are here just wanting to be heard and not pretend their freaking Perry mason. lol. Night..

In other words, you're acting illegally, you know it, you have no retort and so you're now trash talking people- then again, considering you resorted to eugenic slurs in another thread by calling anyone who disagreed with you "handicapped", it's hardly anything new for you.

As for the discussion let's recap. You came in, defending your secondary bread and butter, got called out on it and resorted to insults when you saw your position was untenable, putting the final nail in the coffin by going to "real fan" territory.

You then posted a link to this thread in the other thread where this was happening, not only making those who might not be aware of it aware of it, but in doing so, making them aware of this discussion.

What you fail to grasp is that you don't have to be a lawyer here to see what's going on- just have a clear understanding of the underlying ethics.

Now I get why that would be devastating for you and your business - as from what I can tell of the vast majority of your posts (both in terms of you defending bootlegs and plugging your site where you sell them) your plan in joining here was to try and drum up business for your site (which is fair enough on your part).

However what you clearly weren't counting on and what you need to accept is that when you trade in dodgy merchandise, which KOs are, that while some people wont care, others will have ethical concerns and will call you out on it- that's entirely their right.

This may be an alien concept to you, but society expects adults to be accountable- that's all the new Botcon dealer T&C forces dealers to be.

TransformersEmporium wrote:OMG.. lol
No, I didn't feel like starting a new conversation with someone at 11 at night when I had no interest in talking with them. Least of all you. I didnt trash talk anyone, except for maybe the australian who had gone off his meds and was attacking people.
I don't need to defend myself from anyone or for anything, much less a wanna be know it all like yourself.
And the real fans, yes, since obviously your not. You just troll through here looking for people to harrass, unlike those of us who are looking to have a positive experience. But that wont happen with people like you hanging around.
And BOTCON is pushing ethics about the same as you are a real Transformer fan and not some post trolling know it all who enjoys attacking people.
They are doing it out of greed and selfish pride and nothing else.
Now unless you have something intelligent to say to me on a topic that hasnt been beaten to death, I suggest you disappear cause Ill just report you for harrasssment, Im not in the mood. Your not worth any agravation..

Slayershoop wrote:1. KO's and 3rd party products are two entirely different things, you may find your opinion otherwise, but for the most part, it's true. The goal of most 3rd parties is to fill the gap for collectors that Hasbro and Takara Tomy will not. That has always been the goal and will always be the goal. KO companies's goal is to cheaply and illegally copy an existing design from a copyright holder. This is THE fundamental difference. So let's cover specifics

Slayershoop wrote:2. 3rd party figures are not IP holder designs: This is clearly the case, now there are some exceptions to this statement, mostly pertaining to iGear, namely, Faith Leader and the MP Seekers. However, let's look at this on a whole: City Commander, an armor add-on for Ultra Magnus, making him look vaguely like his G1 incarnation, now, not speaking for Hasbro here, but it was a pretty good bet that Hasbro would never release something like that, why? It's not really cost effective for them. TFC Hercules, A six figure combining team, made out of voyager sized robots. Recently, the closest we have seen to this is five deluxes or a bunch of duplo like limbs. Once again, targeting the core market for them, children. These designs are created and manufactured by independent companies, Hasbro can lay no claim whatsoever to the designs, they are not named after Hasbro products, nor do they contain any Hasbro product within.

Slayershoop wrote:3. Hasbro is for kids, 3rd party is for collectors: Hasbro has stated multiple times that their market is for children, that the vast majority of their profit is from children. 3rd party companies are aimed at adult collectors, supposedly a small portion of the overall market for Transformers. We have also seen recently, that despite the current economic status, they do continually post a profit each fiscal quarter. So if we are to interpret this information, 3rd party has not made Hasbro fall into the red, now, there is no way of knowing if it has cut into profits, if any at all, due to how many variables there are. However, if we, as collectors, are such a small margin, it should not be affecting Hasbro's bottom line.

Slayershoop wrote:4. KO's are wrong, but 3rd parties are a grey area: Let's face it, KO's are wrong, and I give Hasbro every right to go after them, in fact, I encourage it. 3rd parties...this is a bit hard to say. Original designs only vaguely reminiscent of something else are always a grey area. It doesn't help that they are not using copyrighted names, art, or anything really. Yes, they are based off of something, but the same can be argued for just about anything else: Transformers drew from Diaclone, Micromachines, etc. (owned by Hasbro I know), but, they also were pretty clearly influenced by Gundam, Macross and the like. In my opinion, Hasbro pursuing 3rd parties, and winning the lawsuits, may set a very dangerous precedent where everyone can sue anyone for being based off of or looking like something else. For instance, Guilty Crowne, Code Geass, Eureka Seven, Tiger and Bunny to an Extent, Gundam, Full Metal Panic!, Marcross and many others all have designs that can be considered similar to each other, and an uneducated judge or jury may not be able to tell the difference. All hold individual IP, if Hasbro won, all would have grounds, if they decided to capitalize on it.

Slayershoop wrote:It's not as if Hasbro isn't impressed either, it has been shown repeatedly at TFCon (I don't know about Botcon personally) that both sides have mutual respect. Hasbro reps were extremely impressed with 3rd parties, and for the most part, Hasbro is held in an almost reverence. So there seems, for the most part, to be no bad blood.

So I guess it boils down to: KO, go after it by all means. 3rd parties, tread carefully on both sides.

TransformersEmporium wrote:So your not only a troll, but your a stalker also. I warned you. And for the record my website in no uncertain terms neither claims them to be vintage, as a matter of fact it clearly states they are 3rd party repro's.

freetouch wrote:This is all pretty dumb... that being said, I like transforming robots. be it, KO, 3rd party, Go-bot, or transformer. Without KO's I would never have a Dezauras or a Star Saber. If Takbro would reissue them, I would buy them, since they have not, I'm not paying ass prices on ebay for them, but I will pay $40 a piece for them. IF botcon doesnt want to sell that stuff, that's cool, although I guess that also means you can't sell go-bots at botcon either, because those would also be a "third party" to hasbro. Which is lame.

Bowspearer wrote:You've completely missed the point here though when you try and fallaciously bring go-bots into this. The issue isn't other brands of toys but 3rd party companies making unlicensed versions of Transformer characters and thus stealing Hasbro's IPs- it's the fact that they're unlicensed that is the stacking point.

As for KOs, they're completely irredeemable and have completely ruined the hobby for vintage collectors. It used to be you'd come across a vintage piece on eBay and love the thrill of buying it. Now when you come across one, you spend ages pouring over photos trying to work out if it's the real deal and even then you're worried about whether you've missed them- all because of the scammers and bootleggers out there screwing over Hasbro and the fan community to make a quick buck and I can't wait to see Hasbro sending a strong message against selling and making them. Even if they can't get the bootleggers in China, they can certainly get ev ery single person outside of China trying to sell them.

Personally I can't wait- maybe then those of us collecting Vintage G1 can actually start to enjoy our hobby without worrying about being scammed every single time we find what we think might be a nice vintage piece on eBay.

freetouch wrote:Still a 3rd party, Go-bots are now illegal to sell. (if you haven't guessed by now, I dont care either way, so deal with it).

freetouch wrote:NOOOOOOPE KO's haven't ruined anything.

freetouch wrote:Look, just because YOU specifically are having a harder time with your toy's doesn't mean everyone else is. you do realize on ebay, you can dispute KO's. If a person sells you one, and says its an original, and it turns out to be a fake, you get you money back. It's not rocket science.

freetouch wrote:Look... if hasbro would reissue g1 things more often, like they used to, more people would by them. Bootleggers are not screwing hasbro out of any money, because hasbro isnt making the toys.

freetouch wrote:Fun fact, all those vintage things you buy from dealers, were already sold by hasbro, so they arent making another dime on anything. Unless its being released right now, as in PRIME toys, Hasbro already made their money, and aren't going to loose on KO's because they don't have a product out to compete with it.

freetouch wrote:Cry some more about your hobby. If you aren't having fun anymore, its not the hobby, it you.

freetouch wrote:We are all fans, you are angry, and I get that, but you aren't understanding the whole picture. Instead of going after, C&D and sueing companies making toys based on their ip's that hastak has said they won't do, they should be combating them by producing a product that is better than, or at least tries to compete with, said items. Sure, a company can cry and hold their breath like a child until they pass out, but that won't make them any more money. You make money by making something people want.

TransformersEmporium wrote:[color=#0040FF]
Amen freetouch....
You tell him, maybe he'll see the error in his ways and stop being such a butt head..
Though im not holding my breath...
Who else wants to petition takara to do Fort Max for the 30th ann??

TransformersEmporium wrote:http://highendtfs.com/?q=node/17

TransformersEmporium wrote:Should everyone else have the ability to recapture their childhood without dishing out $1200 to $2000, absolutely.

TransformersEmporium wrote: spreading lies about peoples websites and making false accusations,

freetouch wrote:

TransformersEmporium wrote:[color=#0040FF]
Amen freetouch....
You tell him, maybe he'll see the error in his ways and stop being such a butt head..
Though im not holding my breath...
Who else wants to petition takara to do Fort Max for the 30th ann??

Rumor is that they are doing one.

Also, since you like my statements, you should totally give me a wicked discount at your store. I could totally got for a Black Devastator.

freetouch wrote:@Bowspearer... look, i'm pretty sure you are just angry, and arguing to argue, but when it comes down to brass tax, I don't care. If you want to throw a hissy fit about it, rock on, fight the good fight. I'll be enjoying my toys.

freetouch wrote:The more you talk the more you prove its your problem, not everyone else's. I don't speak for everyone, and clearly neither do you, so lets agree to disagree, because neither of us are going to sway from our perspective.